Has anyone seen the Hyde Park buck?

NVBighorn

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I am just curious if anyone has seen him lately. He's probably off doing his mule deer thing. I have no reason to believe anything bad has happened to him and I sure wouldn't want anyone spending any resources looking for him. I'm just wondering. There are people who enjoy seeing him is all.


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NVBighorn, I think by starting a new thread, you made this soup ;-)

Spoke to a contact today. F&G has leads they are working on. For better or worse, they are treating it as a poaching case right now. IMHO, better safe than sorry.

Grizzly
 
Thanks for posting this up. I live 465 milesaway from Logan. I had not payed attention to the buck before. Now that I have seen his mug shot and heard he is missing I will keep my eyes and ears open. If everyone else does the same from where ever they are some info might turn up.

DZ
 
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This just in...the Deschutes River/Bend buck is also missing. WTF is going on?
 
Maybe the moderators will lock a certain individual out of this thread so we can actually enjoy it...







Maybe I just jinxed us :-(

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Just keep in mind "don't wrestle with the pig" and we will make it!
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Allright, lets look at this in the most melodramatic light we can put on it. Lets say for instance the deer has been poached. On the other thread grizzly made note that whoever would have poached the deer must be some kind of super villain. I mean he went into a populated area and without witness or warning jerked 280 pounds of critter right out from under everyone's noses including dozens of "stalkers".

So if the DWR and the sheriff are now spending money and most importantly time looking for "missing" deer, doesn't it make since that IT JUST GOT EASIER TO POACH OTHER DEER?????
 
alright everyone! Repeat after me...

I will not wrestle with the pig


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Now that the three children have answered would anyone like to have a civil and logical discussion on how this actually makes it easier to poach deer?
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-13 AT 11:29AM (MST)[p]As long as we are making guesses I'll throw out a couple.

What if the authorities are involved? Great cover.

What if it was a Squatch? They did do the season finally of Finding Bigfoot in Cache Valley last season and city deer would be easy pickins for a stealthy Squatch.
 
>Now that the three children have
>answered would anyone like to
>have a civil and logical
>discussion on how this actually
>makes it easier to poach
>deer?


***Nope, I will not wrestle with the pig!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-13 AT 12:09PM (MST)[p]Hahaha. Oh man I like you guys.
That is a thought I hadn't considered. The squach! You may be on to something here. That's funny stuff
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
In other news, I keep hoping the fog and snow will clear so I can go check the face. Has anybody had a chance to glass it much in case he just moved East?

Grizzly
 
This is even better than before. Only three posts on this thread actually deal with "missing" deer. The rest make a joke of it, as they should. And the kindergartners make the majority of the posts about not playing with the "pig". The silly boys have actually hi-jacked a thread and made it about me because they were scared I would hi-jack a thread. I could honestly see how one of these boys might be the poacher. It almost seems to be their MO. Poach the deer so no one else poaches the deer. They ain't that great with logic.
 
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I have looked in every ravine north and south eastward for 2 miles He's not up there
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Trophymuley, when you say "looked" does that mean you glassed for live deer or you have searched every spot for a carcass?
 
I am gonna say this in all seriousness. I really really really wish there was this much concern on the protection of actual huntable deer in the state of Utah. This really is more like a, we lost our family dog and are concerned it's been stolen or killed. If authorities really are out putting time into looking into a "possible" poach....without a dead deer. I'd personally rather see that time dedicated to protecting our huntable deer population. The situation in Cache Valley earlier this year with the two bucks killed in town was totally different. There were confirmed wounded deer and a killed deer. There was reason to pursue as illegal activity was obvious. Call me a pig if you like but that's my 2 cents.
 
Muley73, this is part of what I wrote before. Aren't the wardens actually putting other deer at higher risk of being poached now because they are now confining themselves to searching for a buck that may still be alive or could have just died a deer's death?

I can remember back when I was at Texas a&m. We used to have bonfire once a year and it was a pretty big deal. One year at bonfire things got a little to roudy. So the next year under pressure from the university and the municipality, every cop you could imagine was brought to bonfire to keep the piece and run off the riffraff. So guess what happened. All the cops are at bonfire and every felonious thug in town went crazy and did whatever they wanted. Everybody was calling 911 and no one was showing up.
 
Tri,
I do get what you are saying and maybe I'm out of the norm here in cache valley. I live less than 10 miles from where this buck has lived his entire life. I've seen pics over the past couple years as he's grown. However not once have I ever gone to look at him. Just a deer to me I guess, just a deer that lives in the city. On the other hand I spend tons of time out in the winter range every year looking and videoing bucks. Usually not anyone around which I like. I've seen big bucks disappear and never seen not one single time have I seen a conservation officer or sheriff. Guess I'd rather see them up in those areas keeping on eye on the bucks that are huntable and wild than worrying about a city "pet" deer.
 
I get you disagree tristate. I get that. move on. No need to respond to you anymore
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Tristate your theory on the poaching is not as valid as you think it is. As a deputy sheriff and patrol sgt. I worked a rural mountain area for about 18 years while assigned to patrol.
I can assure you that the odds will be if that deer has been poached and the poacher is caught. It is very likely they will clear up other poaching incidents with recovery of other heads with no valid proof of legal take.
Also it is very rare for a guy to go out and just poach one deer and not do it again. A poacher will be out in the field doing his poaching until he is caught. Even then after paying fines he may still continue poaching.
It is not a waste of time to continue that investigation. One reason is the fact the deer has been photographed so many times it will be like looking for a deer head with a serial number on the horns due to it's distinctive points and size.
If you do not believe me, go ask several wardens that have a rep for catching poachers and see if they aggree with your senario or tell you that a investigation is warranted due to the odds of being in their favor on slowing down the poaching in that area.

RELH
 
RELH,
I understand and agree on some level. However in this very town two big city bucks were already shot illegally in city limits, just a couple months ago. It was all over MM. It was literally on the front page of the local newspaper and on the local news station. The guy was arrested and it was VERY public and known about. This was not the first time there was been an issue in this valley with shooting a city buck. Soooo I don't see that this has deterred much in this area. That being said. They are city deer! Sucks they get killed and yes it's illegal. But I sure would like to see the focus out on our winter range protecting deer that are huntable.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-13 AT 09:45AM (MST)[p]
This scenario would have been the same if the deer weren't a city buck. Any time you have a 230+ buck just dissapear like that it gets investigated. The good part about deer out of city limits is that it takes some effort to find them and they aren't as popular. Any time you have a buck of that caliber disappear it is worth looking into.We also had a bunch of big bucks shot near the idaho border last year that were just left on the mountain. All were 165+ bucks
, one of which was upper 190 typical
and if I am not mistaken there were 6 of them, as well as a 340 bull shot in the same area, all shot during the same time frame the two city deer disappeared during the previous year. Needless to say there is a big poaching problem with trophy class animals in this valley. The history has shown it is a logical use of recourses to attempt to find these/this poacher(s) because chances are, they will keep doing it untill they are caught. Really think about it. The two biggest deer in the area just up and dissapeared close to the same timeframe of each other in the valley. Both deer with a history of staying in town all winter.
This isn't thick Texas planes. It's high desert mountain climate and if you know what you are doing its actually not really that hard to know of every deer in every ravine for a few miles.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
"if you know what you are doing its actually not really that hard to know of every deer in every ravine for a few miles".
Are you being serious right now? You must be some kind of a legend



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-22-13 AT 07:01PM (MST)[p]Yep poaching problems. 6 bucks and one bull last year. Were these animals in town? That's my point. Lets get some focus out of the city and out on the hill!!! This is more of a missing pet. If he's been poached then sure I hope they catch the poacher. As we are discussing logic, it sounds like this buck disappeared during the rut. That seems the most logical time for him to disappear. The likelyhood of him wondering off chasing does seems higher than him being poached. Maybe he wandered off and got ate by a cat, dog, coyote, hell even a wolf in the area he lives. We listened to a bunch of posters talk about how tame and unwild the cemetery buck was. Well that makes him vulnerable to all predators if that's the case. The flips side was that the cemetery buck acted totally different during the rut. Well maybe this buck did too?

Bottom line, I hope he turns back up and brings happiness to those that enjoy watching him, or better yet stays on the hill so we can legally hunt him. But I would rather see the effort of the authorities focused on stopping the poaching of the animals out of town.
 
You obviously misread what I stated. The six bucks and bull were all shot in the mountains. None of them were city deer, it is not just happening in the city. There have been 10 confirmed poached deer and two well known deer that have vanished from many scouting eyes in the area all falling in trophy class (over 26 inches) within the past year with only two singular incidences being solved. Do the math. There are half a dozen poached deer that are still unsolved cases. Maybe this will shed some light on why people are pushing for investigation on the dissapearance of one of the biggest known mule deer in the country. We're getting sick of all the big deer being poached around the area and want to pinn anyone involved hard.

Just like everyone else I really hope the deer has just miraculously managed to evade people's eyes and hope he shows up. Until the poaching stops in the area the dissapearance of any trophy animal should he investigated,
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
"Until the poaching stops in the area the dissapearance of any trophy animal should he investigated,"


This is a definite lost your marbles statement. POACHING WILL NEVER STOP! What are you going to do when every hunter who had one get away from this year starts calling the DWR and telling them to "Find my missing deer. I saw him here many times and now I can't find him"

I thought "disappearing" is exactly what Big Old Muley bucks are supposed to do. I didn't know Big old Muley bucks were supposed to be somewhere on your command and when they aren't the gubmint has to get involved.
 
Relh,

I understand almost everything you are saying, and some of it does make sense. However I do talk to game wardens and most of them agree that when they find an actual poached deer carcass the chance of finding the actual poacher from there is significantly low. Most of the time when they catch poachers it is through other law enforcement methods. They can not use those tactics right now because they are busy looking for a "missing" deer that may not even be poached. So right now, yes, poaching is getting easier because law enforcement is wasting time looking for "missing" wild animals.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-13 AT 06:42AM (MST)[p]You are wrestling the pig because you have convinced yourself that I care. I like now how you use the term "we" also. Plays right into your narcissism.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-13 AT 10:00AM (MST)[p]Trophy,
We both live in the same area. I agree that poaching is an issue in that area. I was agreeing with all of that. But the childishness way that you choose to handle someone you disagree with I don't not agree with. You and grizzly and the rest can have your fun if that's what you call it. You're only devauling the real issue , I'm out on this one.
 
Muley73, please don't let these people effect your opinion or how you voice it. That's actually why I started posting on these forums to begin with. I used to just read threads and look at pretty pictures but never post. Finally I noticed that the forums were beginning to become the same group of people writing the same hateful messages to whoever had a differing opinion. The forums were filled with class warfare and segregation. Because of the constant insults it had basically become a forum for nine or ten like minded individuals that in all honesty no longer had a firm grip on reality anymore. So I dove in and I haven't let up. The first few months not much changed everybody wanted to hate somebody. Now for a while things have been trickling down. And I actually have been seeing people who don't post much start posting again which I like. I think that's why these few guys have gotten hot and heavy with this whole "pig" thing. They are finally seeing this isn't their own specific playground anymore. I think its funny that they think after calling me every name in the book, belittling me professionally and personally, insulting my family, even threatening me in e-mails now I might quit because they call me a "pig". I would assume they would go over to the hunttalk.com forums and enjoy the circle of hate over there.

I encourage you to post your opinions as often as possible here. I don't have a problem at all when you disagree with me. Feel free to often. I hope all here have a very merry Christmas, and I hope the Hyde park buck is sitting in a dark forgotten hole in the shadow of a cedar chewing his cud while being amused at the futile efforts of men.
 
Tristate,
No worries. I'm not going anywhere. I'm too opinionated and too big of an assh0le to not speak my mind. I just think this particular thread is way off base. I just haven't developed a close relationship with these city deer like some in this area have. So my passion to battle on this has faded. They are focusing more on a particular deer not the overall issue. Then they shift focus off the issue because someone disagrees with them. Which is fine but the childish manner only devalues the true problem at hand.
 
Muley_73, I absolutely understand your argument. And maybe we just won't agree. The counter argument I would make is that the Hyde Park buck is unique in that its life and antler-configuration have been so well-documented that the person who possesses his horns will almost certainly be convicted of a crime. There is no mistaking this deer or the fact that he was alive after legal hunting seasons ended.

Not many "open range" animals have that type of opportunity for law enforcement. A standard frame 4x4 will be hard to prove a date of kill. That is not the case with this deer. I think this deer should be looked at as a perfect opportunity to make an example for future would-be poachers as well, because of its public image.

I am with everybody on here in hoping he is alive and turns up either this year or next, but so far everybody who thinks he is alive is from outside of the area and is not familiar with the deer or topography. The locals who know the area and the deer are not so optimistic.

It is not as if law enforcement is spending man-hours walking fields looking for blood. They are aware of the potential for poaching and are keeping their eyes out while on their normal patrols. There is no reason for them to be na?ve of the situation, they might as well be vigilant. If some crackhead cruises down main street with suspicious-looking horns sticking out the back of his truck, there is a good chance he will be stopped. That is all we are asking.

Grizzly
 
I guess I have never come out and made a specific guess as whether this deer is alive or not. At this point I will say there is just as good a chance the deer is alive as the chance that he is dead. I will also state there is even a greater chance that if the deer is dead he met his demise from other sources besides poaching. Lion, coyote, parasites, 18-wheeler etc.
 
grizzly,
I agree and have no issue with the added awarness on this. However if the buck was poached I doubt you'll ever see him or his horns again. Look at the coverage that the two illegally shot bucks got this fall. In literally the exact same area. You and trophy both know it was on front page of the paper, not just MM. If he was poached I don't think the individual would be showing him off. If he was poached and the individual is caught by doing that....well you will never fix stupid. Catching and making an example will not stop the poaching in this area any more than catching and making it public has in the past. Thats why if there is added focus I would like it out on the range with a presence of authority that might actually prevent some poaching. I still believe this is more about indivuals feeling like they have lost a personal pet than about the poaching of a deer.

In all reality it is all speculation and if we always assume the worst and waste resources on speculation we are further behind in the game. I think this is some of what Tri was originally saying.
 
Just increase the penalty for poaching and problem solved, Im sure we'll only have to hang two or three of the bastards to get the point across!



"WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW" "REVOLUTION
BECOMES DUTY" unknown

Windage and elevation pilgrim windage and elevation
 
You will not slow poaching down until the courts get serious about the punishment. Fines should be double or more, firearms used should be seized and not returned. If a vehicle is used, it and it's contents should be seized and sold at auction. Then you will have to have wardens working at all times as a two man team as poachers facing that punishment will more then likely resist arrest.

RELH
 
Quit Rubbin it NVB!







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I Know I'm Out Numbered by Pusssies & Brainwashed Democrats that'll Throw Their Hands in the air & I know I can't Lick the U.S. Military by Myself when they Turn on us but I'll make
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>Tri is one hel l of
>a persistent fisherman...


Yea, the Pig must not have a life. It would suck to be him.



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Wow, 13 of 57 posts say something "dont wrestle with the pig" or something like that...pretty stupid...if you dont like something just ignore it.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-25-13 AT 08:58AM (MST)[p]>Wow, 13 of 57 posts say
>something "dont wrestle with the
>pig" or something like that...pretty
>stupid...if you dont like something
>just ignore it.


***No, by making those posts the person in question knows that his posts are being read and ignored. By not posting he may think that it's just because nobody is on the thread reading them
 
>pretty
>stupid...if you dont like something
>just ignore it.


The most credible advice is that which is followed as well as given.


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What if the buck IS dead and it was done so legally??


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
>What if the buck IS dead
>and it was done so
>legally??
>
>
>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
>


What if?

If it was it'd be all over the Internet by now & on the way to Magazine Write-ups!

Come on lieca,You know better!:D











[font color="red"]From My Smokin Cherry Red Hot Barrel & My Dead Cold Hands I Shall go down Fighting for American Pride & Rights!
I Know I'm Out Numbered by Pusssies & Brainwashed Democrats that'll Throw Their Hands in the air & I know I can't Lick the U.S. Military by Myself when they Turn on us but I'll make
you one Guarantee,They'll be Enduring a Situation where I Hope to Hell All Americans become True Americans once again & Stand up for their Rights!
 
so maybe the DWR should be putting GPS transmitters in these Huge town bucks, so they can find them after they are poached.
The photos of these bucks(hundreds of town bucks out there) should be posted so if you see a set antlers for sale on craigslist or ebay or KSL.

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I'm just throwin this out there Bessy but lets just say that he is in fact dead and it was killed legally. Would there be some apologies due???


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-13 AT 06:49PM (MST)[p]>I'm just throwin this out there
>Bessy but lets just say
>that he is in fact
>dead and it was killed
>legally. Would there
>be some apologies due???
>
>

He was seen and filmed by many people after the rifle season ended. If he was shot it was illegally or with the sportsman tag.

Have many people stated in a declarative way that he is dead? The general feeling I get is one of concern and suspicion. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion considering the recent history of documented poaching in the area.

Everybody I know hopes like crazy he flew the coop and will show up, they just aren't betting on it and are asking for vigilance from hunters who may recognize the horns if they show up at a taxidermist or in somebody's garage.

Grizzly
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-13 AT 07:22PM (MST)[p]But was he really filmed after the hunt? I'm not asking to start anything just curious if anyone on here has confirmed pictures after October 27th of this buck. If so, maybe it would put some speculation to rest. Post em up!


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
Nov 13 was the last day he was seen by anyone. I personally saw him a week after the rifle hunt ended. Those with sportsman tags did not harvest him. This i do know for myself. Not just hearsay
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
So, pictures?



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-31-13 AT 04:06PM (MST)[p]>So, pictures?
>
>
>
>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
>


***Why do you need pictures when there are members here saying that the deer was seen alive by them after the last legal hunt date? I guess you want a picture with a date stamp on it and we all know how easy it is to photoshop stuff nowadays.
 
Heard the buck is dead and it is being treated as a poaching incident. I'm sure more details are to follow.

Tristate needs a hug and then a swift kick in the nutz.
 
If true smitty, its a sad deal. I've been holding out hope, but the longer he's a no show, the more I believe it. Man how I would love to see a gelding take place. After the courts are done of course.

Yelum

Theres logic, and theres women. They don't go together.
 
Hope the HELL He's still alive!

But it seems all the Bucks that are Big that make it through Season get Poached by TARDS!

These are the Poachinest Bastards in this State You'll ever see anywhere!

Seems like there are a lot of people watchin the Bucks during daylight Hours!

The New Trick is they are going out at Night & killing them!

Until the State/DWR Imposes a 100,000.00 Fine,Confiscation of all Vehicles/Wheelers/etc,30 years in Jail,confiscation of Guns and never to be able to Own/Have Guns ever again,Hunting Rights taken away for Life in every State/Country the BS will never Stop!

(Of course them should be First Offense Penalties!:D)

Cut their Pecker off on the 2nd Offense & Advertise it world wide!










[font color="red"]From My Smokin Cherry Red Hot Barrel & My Dead Cold Hands I Shall go down Fighting for American Pride & Rights!
I Know I'm Out Numbered by Pusssies & Brainwashed Democrats that'll Throw Their Hands in the air & I know I can't Lick the U.S. Military by Myself when they Turn on us but I'll make
you one Guarantee,They'll be Enduring a Situation where I Hope to Hell All Americans become True Americans once again & Stand up for their Rights!
 
elkassassin ,, though I agree. they are just deer,,,, you cant get that done to child molesters , when you ki ll big bucks in nov'. dec. ect,,,, not much diff, between gov ,tag, and what happened to this deer' other than the money spent..(lets see how much crap that starts, from the money boys,}}}}} 21 beers in to a 30 pack.happy new year. ,getting old don't think ill make the ball drop......
 
>elkassassin ,, though I agree.
>they are just deer,,,, you
> cant get that done
>to child molesters , when
> you ki ll
>big bucks in nov'. dec.
>ect,,,, not much diff, between
>gov ,tag, and what happened
>to this deer' other
>than the money spent..(lets see
>how much crap that starts,
>from the money boys,}}}}} 21
>beers in to a 30
>pack.happy new year. ,getting old
>don't think ill make the
>ball drop......


***What an idiot!!!
 
Well elkun!

21 of 30 Ain't Bad!:D










[font color="red"]From My Smokin Cherry Red Hot Barrel & My Dead Cold Hands I Shall go down Fighting for American Pride & Rights!
I Know I'm Out Numbered by Pusssies & Brainwashed Democrats that'll Throw Their Hands in the air & I know I can't Lick the U.S. Military by Myself when they Turn on us but I'll make
you one Guarantee,They'll be Enduring a Situation where I Hope to Hell All Americans become True Americans once again & Stand up for their Rights!
 
Yes Topgun, thats exactly what I want. We all know 50% of what is said on here is Bullsh**.


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 

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