Fishlake national forest camping rule GOOD or BAD view all

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I just returned from a hunting and camping trip in the Beaver district. I received a flyer from the forest service while camping in an undeveloped area. The flyer was to advise campers they are restricted to 16 days of camping (per year) That's right 16 days annually! Well, I like to camp in the summer and hunt in the fall, so if I take my family camping and fishing for a week ( 9 days including weekends) that leaves me 7 days combined for deer and elk! I thought at first the flyer was an incorrect print but after calling several different national forest offices I was finally informed that the district manager can make special regulations for his particular district! Of course I let him know that I register my truck and trailer and ATV's in the state and I purchase hunting and fishing licenses annually. His response is "who cares, that's state money and we're federal and it's not our job to appease the public" now he didn't mean that to offend me, he was just telling me how the system works! I explained to him that I was one of the first to complain when I arrived on friday mornings before the hunts only to find most campsites already full with trailers that had been dropped off and left unoccupied for days so the owners would have the spot they preferred. Yes, he agreed and that was part of why this rule is now in place. But, I suggested "why not hand out a flyer warning campers unoccupied campers to be towed at the owners expense, surely this would free up some camp sites" we don't like to involve the sheriff was the reply! The district policy involving camping in the developed campground is still the same I said. I may stay for 14 days move down the road to the next campground the same day if I wish and I can stay another 14 days and then back to the original and start all over again but these campgrounds are fee areas and do not allow ATV's! No comment, it's up to the district manager! After spending my 16 days in the undeveloped camp area I may move a minimum of 5 road miles and camp again if I wish but if I like to hunt and fish in the same area I get a maximum of 16 days! Is this rule enforceable I asked, what if I share my trailer with another person and they camp within my area and I go back a month later? We have ways to counter that he said, it's not who is camping it's the camping unit on the property! This is the only forest I've heard of applying this rule, but the officer suggested it's not the last. My family believes we're losing more rights all the time, what's your feelings? Is this rule GOOD or BAD ?
Can we do anything about it or just too bad? Does this rule spread to other forests even other states? Many people have been worried about having their guns taken away, how many have thought about losing their national forest camping?
 
Would be interesting to see a copy of this flyer and some phone numbers.

Similar thread was on here not long ago and if this is true, some people need to start making thier voices heard.
 
Can you post up the flyer ? I would like to see it for myself.So what you are saying is you have to move your trailer 5 miles and you can camp for 16 more days. If this is the case it is the same as it always has been and we have been moving our trailers and dealing with a (crazy camp lady) for years up around Fish lake.
If you have to leave the forest and can stay for only 16 days ? Thats another story.
 
Yea I was up in that area for two days and seen those flyers on everybody's camping rigs! I really thought it was a bear warning or something?

Crazy
 
Use a tent.... no identification numbers on them... There is always a loophole just have to think outside of the camper(box) :)
Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
The rule is you may camp in one spot for maximum of 16 days within that year move 5 road miles and camp again 16 days an do it again the rule does not say anywher that you can only camp 16 days on that district it is just to one spot the reason they are doing this is because they have so many people come down leave there trailer fo 3 months and only use it 8 or 12 times then othes call and complain cause they never get a good spot
 
Highwi
Reading your post again . It almost sounds like they the forest service is trying to push everyone to the pay camping areas. Maybe this has to do with the feds needing money !! I guess its always about money.
So if we can only camp in the forest for 16 days and then we have to spend the rest of our time in the developed camp sites they are making money, right !
If this is the case I wish they would just spell it out for us , instead of beating around the bush !!
 
Well when I grew up a person could build a fire, cook a hot dog and shoot a 22 anywhere in Capitol Reef. You knew everyone on the mountain, there were no ATV's and very few four-wheel drives. The State of Utah was less than 1 million people and you could go to Fishlake any day of the week and get a camping spot.

Now what do we have? Over 2 million people and Southern Utah has been invaded by the Wasatch Front. The locals think they can put their trailer in the mountains all summer and an over zealous government district manager over-reacts to some small infractions.
At the begining of the year the road above Richfield was open a month before the road above Elsinore was open . This is just a few miles apart, the road was dry and they connect. In asking why, we were told that Fillmore office of BLM was responsible for Elsinore and the Richfield office had the responsibility of the road above town.

California is 30+ million people and growing. Get the picture!! We need growth, but certainly not fast growth. Walmart is the only one that wants that - - well and the politicians I guess.

The only thing I say is don't make laws you can't enforce. That's the problem with local, state, and federal governments today. Some do-good politician at work.
 
I've tried to find the flyer but unable so far! The flyer does not give contact phone numbers! You have to do your own research for numbers and then get passed around several times because no one seems to know the actual rule. I finally got to speak with a fellow named Grayland Branzt 435-4382436 in the Beaver district for my information. Some of you are familiar with the area and some of you are confused (just like I was) The issue I'm concerned about is this..... If I camp in Big flat anytime during the summer, the number of days I spend there is deducted from my total 16 days per year in that area! So, if I spend a week ATVing in June then come back for 3 days in July to scout for archery hunting (camping within 5 miles) I am only allowed whatever remaining number of days not to exceed 16 for the year! The seperation time (the time you are removed from the camp area does not count) like the 10 day absence in fee area campgrounds! I've found that it is very difficult and time consuming to get answers to questions but this how I understand it! GOOD LUCK By the way, the tent idea doesn't work if you have a vehicle with a license plate or you are present when the officer stops by!
 
And I might add a whole bunch of people in the outdoors who think they can do any thing they want.

As Quigley would say, "This ain't the 50"s and you ain't the only person on the mountain". Respect others and help them enjoy their time in the mountains by keeping your camps and campers off the mountain if you're not using them.
 
Pretty soon, the campsites will be on a draw system.


You put in for your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options. Which would include date and site wanted, and if your drawn you have a 2 year wait before you can reapply.


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i was always under the impression that this law had something to do with the homestead act from the people i have talked to about it. i also thought you werent limited to 16 total camping days just 16 in one spot and then you had to move down the road but could camp as much as you want.
 

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