I killed "Haus"

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So it all started when I drew out on the general non resident archery tag early in the year. Turns out it would be the only tag I drew. Soon as I found out a tag was coming with my name on it I started shooting my Mathews Switchback every night and preparing for the August opener. I had only lived in Utah for a short time and was very unfamiliar with areas and where to begin. I met some very friendly hunters that were eager to point me in a general direction as well as the few who didn't. Most pointed me in the direction of the Front. The Wasatch is a big range and has every kind of terrain imaginable so I just started my scouting near Alta and moved north one or two canyons per trip. I love the High Country and made the hikes to the tops on a regular basis but never did see the number or quality of deer that the Wasatch has produced in the past. After weeks of scouting I had failed to turn up anything with potential. I packed in on the day before the opener to over 10k feet. I set camp and started glassing. First animals to come through my Swarovskis was 3 moose and one being a monster bull. I watched him till dark in awe at there size. Next morning I wake up before light and hike to my predetermined vantage point. As the sun came up I found several groups of deer but none that were worth packing out from there. It was a good thing that there was nothing to go after because an hour after light, the convoy of hunters showed up and there was two guys on every ridge. I packed up my camp and headed out frustrated with not only the number of hunters but with there obvious ignorance to hunting with a bow. I watch two separate guys go after a small 3 point with stalks that were fit for rifle season. I decided to give it a few weeks to let the weekend warriors realize how hard it was and decide to stay home. I planed my next trip out on a Thursday night. My brother in law Chad, who has caught the hunting fever asked if he could come along on the evening scouting trip and I was glad to have the company. Keep in mind that this is his first true experience out searching for and finding mule deer. As we arrive at the bottom of the canyon and begin glassing I almost immediately find "HAUS". He is 3/4 of a mile away but in an instant I can tell that he was a shooter. He was laying in tall grass and all you could see was this tall rack. I pulled my spotting scope from my pack and focused in on him. I helped Chad find the bucks location and then let him look through the scope. I then realized that this was quite possibly the first buck he had ever seen in a hunting situation and quickly explained to him that this wasn't your every day buck. Most people go years without seeing something like this and a few never will. We watch him till dark since there was no way to get on him that evening. I struggled with my camera and then made the decision to start shopping for digiscoping device. I spent that night tossing and turning because I was thinking of scenarios that could be involved on the stalk that I hoped would come the next morning. Chad had to work so I headed out bright and early the next morning and was back where I had last seen Haus the night before. He had moved across the basin that night and was in a much closer and more stalkable location. Haus had joined up with one other buck. This buck was also a shooter. He was only about 22 inch's wide and a 2 point on his left side but was carrying 9 points on his right. Very unique buck for sure. I bedded the bucks and waited for the wind to get steady and strong. The bucks bedded in a place that was perfect for a good sneak. After a 4 hour stalk I was in the trees and only 60 yards from where the bucks were resting. I settled in and prepared to wait for them to get up. About an hour after I settled in I felt the wind go from steadily in my face to the back of my neck. I heard a deer blow and the unmistakable sound of a deer rapidly leaving his bed. This is where I made my first mistake. I stood up and steped around the tree I was behind and scanned the hillside for the bucks. I could see the smaller buck working his way over the saddle but there was no sign of Haus. As I stood there I lowered my Swaros and realized Haus was still in his bed but very alert to the fact I was there. This is where I made my second mistake. I rapidly started scrambling for my rangefinder and got a range. 48 yards. Then I stood there and tried to draw my bow. I did all of this like a kid in a car on his way to Chucky Cheese. The buck was up and gone before I even got the bow back. I stood there watching him slowly climbing the hill and enjoying the fact that I was getting this close of a look at a great buck. That enjoyment quickly turned to disgust when I realized the mistakes I made. Most hunters have had this feeling at some point. I had a long walk out in the dark to play it all over and over again in my head. Next few days out I either couldn't find Haus and 2x9 or they bedded in impossible places to make a stalk. The 5th day out turned out to be a day of extreme highs and lows. I started looking at daylight at my usual spot. I didn't see my usual bucks but there was a group of does and a small buck feeding in and out the trees. I watched them close and at 730 am I found a shooter buck. He was a large framed buck. I put my scope on him as he weaved through the trees and concluded he was a big 4x4 and had either one or two cheaters off his left G3. Soon as the sun hit him, his mouth was open and he was in a hurry to make his bed with the 2 point with him. They climbed the draw and bedded in a sparse group of trees only 30 yards from the ridge top. After getting up a few times to stretch and change beds they bedded again. I started my stalk with a good wind and also had the sun behind me on the stalk. This stalk went flawless. I had a little wind and also had a few planes fly over that covered my noise and allowed me to take steps that would have busted me under normal conditions. I made it a set of trees above the deer. I ranged the 2 point at 18 yards and the big fella at 21. I waited for them to stand up 3 hours later. The big guy turned and quartered away from me. I drew my bow and watched the arrow enter the body just behind the rib cage at mid body. The buck hit the ground and began pulling himself down hill with only his front legs. He appeared to be paralyzed in his hind legs. he made a few tumbles through tall sage as he headed down the steep hill. He dropped into the draw where I couldn't see him for a few seconds. I spotted him again about 100 yards away and he was walking! I backed out and decided to leave him for the night to let him lay down and not push him farther. I thought for sure that he was hit hard and wouldn't go another 100 yards. Next morning I was there at daylight and went to the last place I seen him fall. There was blood and marble sized chunks of fat where he was on his back. Soon as he was upright the blood would disappear. I search on hands and knees for blood and found none! I search brush at body level...nothing! I was amazed and in shock. I tried following his tracks and it was a good trail until he stood up and walked away slowly. In that area it was a sand and gravel mix and wasn't leaving any sign of tracks. I spent the next 2 and a half days searching for any sign of this buck over 22 hours. I tried everything in the book but no luck. On the third morning I returned to look for birds or yotes to give his location away. As I glassed from a ridge top I put my eyes on a few deer and one of them was Haus! Again I watched him bed down. He was in a great place for a stalk but I wasn't done looking for the buck I hit three days before. I spent the next several hours moving from ridge top to ridge top looking for any sign of predators. Nothing was moving at 4pm and 85 deg heat. I conceded that I had lost him. As I packed back to the truck I decided to see if Haus was still in his bed and he was. At 530 I started after him and at 6pm I was within 100 yards and the next 70 yards took me an hour and a half. 730 pm and It was getting dark quick. He finally stood up and I ranged him at 28 yards and a 30 degree angle. I put my 20 pin a few inch's high and touched of the arrow. I never did see the arrow but the sound was unmistakable. Haus jumped and kicked. He ran 40 yards and began to slow. He hunched his back and started to slowly back up in circles. Seconds later he was on the ground and I was in shock! Haus was dead! It was an awesome feeling of accomplishment to hunt this buck for so many days and finally connect. It couldn't have been a better hunt for my first time in Utah other than losing a buck I shot for the first time. Haus is my biggest buck to date with a green score in the high 180s and an outside width of 32 1/2. Cant wait for next year!
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Help a brother out and use some paragraphs. That was painful to read. Nice animal though.
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Conrgats on two things-

Never hitting the space bar, and for killing 2 great wasatch front bucks.

I can't wait until next years Monster Muley CSI episode that says "Wasatch buck found dead...let's find the archer"

Can you tell us what arrows you shoot, and general location of the first buck arrowed? Just to make it easier to solve next years mystery dead buck?

And I don't want to sound too negative, as you did harvest a nice buck after seemingly diligently looking for the first deer for weeks.( Maybe you hit it a little far back)

Anyway, Congrats. Nice buck(s)
 
Great buck, but i would have to agree with velvetyjones on this one...... There is a "BIG" buck wounded/dead that won't be found... But that is just my opinion..... Congrats on a stud of a buck though...
 
Nice Buck!
As far as what some opinionated retards are saying, (no one specific so calm down), yes you wounded one, you looked for it and couldnt find it. Maybe its not dead maybe it is. For one: there is nothing in the regulations that says you have to stop hunting if you wound one. Further more you looked for it and couldnt find it and as long as ""you"" feel you gave it your best effort, then thats all that matters. The people with opinions, cuz thats what they are, are perfect and never do anything wrong! Deer are very tough animals and many times a person thinks a shot is "perfect" and thats not the case. You might not have hit him very good as you thought and he is still roaming around. The arrow could of glanced off and never even came close to a vital! Until you have him on the ground you'll never know. You can ask any "real" bowhunter that has killed many animals and I'm sure they will tell you the same. I'm sure they have had thier share of mishaps and bad shots.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-11 AT 10:22AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-11 AT 10:17?AM (MST)

so "real " bowhunters gut, azz, leg shoot deer , lose them and keep hunting. wow !!! now thats something to be proud of........not


after reading the posts on here and personal accounts of archers i know. i am starting to think the wolves may be less hard on the herds than the . " hey hoss " , "hold my beer an watch this " stick flippers. there are some damn fine archers out there but IMHO 10 x more guys who can't hit a pie plate at 20 yards.

you named the deer " haus " how long was it named ? maybe you conveniently gave up looking when " haus " came by. i know i am being an azz too some but opinions are like --- holes. everybodies got one
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-11 AT 10:35AM (MST)[p]Beavis I agree with you. I think there are to many hunters that claim to be archers. I think you need to practice as much as possible with a bow or gun to lessen the odds of a bad hit buti do think a bad hit with a rifle is more forgiving than a bow. Maybe the fish and game should have a licensing program that requires hunters to shoot a certain size group at 40 yards to be able to hunt with stick and string?

Oh and yes Beavis ... You are being an ass. Haha

My conscience is clear. I know I tried everything in the book to find him over 3 days and if you read the story again you will see that Haus is the buck I originally found.

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>Nice Buck!
> As far as what
>some opinionated retards are saying,
>(no one specific so calm
>down), yes you wounded one,
>you looked for it and
>couldnt find it. Maybe its
>not dead maybe it is.
>For one: there is nothing
>in the regulations that says
>you have to stop hunting
>if you wound one. Further
>more you looked for it
>and couldnt find it and
>as long as ""you"" feel
>you gave it your best
>effort, then thats all that
>matters. The people with opinions,
>cuz thats what they are,
>are perfect and never do
>anything wrong! Deer are very
>tough animals and many times
>a person thinks a shot
>is "perfect" and thats not
>the case. You might not
>have hit him very good
>as you thought and he
>is still roaming around. The
>arrow could of glanced off
>and never even came close
>to a vital! Until you
>have him on the ground
>you'll never know. You can
>ask any "real" bowhunter that
>has killed many animals and
>I'm sure they will tell
>you the same. I'm sure
>they have had thier share
>of mishaps and bad shots.
>


well said. as far as beavis comment, well let me tell you gun hunters are just as guilty. bad archery shots and there are also bad gun shots. i think gun hunters are just as bad cause with a bow you get one shot and its hard to do a follow up shot. how easy is it for a gun hunter to miss and do a follow up shot and he may have bumped his scope and the first shot hits his horns the second shot in the rear and the third blowing its leg off.

saying archery hunters are the guilty ones is just weak. in my eyes its 50/50. neither one is better than the other.
 
I think your right on there. I gun hunt as well as archery and have done both for over 20 years, which does not by any means make me an expert. I have a few buddy's that I give crap when I get a chance because there idea of killing a deer with a rifle is to role out the box of shells and start firing and then see if they hit it! Several of them have taken 5 to even 10 shots at a deer with there rifles while the deer was running!
My comment about "real" bowhunters are guys that have been doing it for awhile and practice, practice, practice. They are anal about tuning thier bows to perfection because they know the slightest error in the practice range is amplied 10 fold in the field. They take good shots that they have taken the time to set up carefully. (still things can go wrong)
I can tell you bowhunting has made me a way better rifle hunter and not the reverse. Im not defending either side because that would hypocritical to myself. But in the last 10 years, I have killed probably 10 deer with my rifle and none of the shots were running or over 200 yds! Not to mention they were taken with a good rest and with one shot. Now I'm not claiming or are trying to come off as being perfect by no means, Just trying to make a point, that every sport no matter what it is, has all types of players.
To me it is baffling to hear my buddies or even strangers say they got a couple of shots off, but none the less thats the way they hunt and so be it. Ill keep hunting the way I do and kill the ones they keep missing!!!!
 
Congrats on a great buck nevada, the effort you gave looking for the wounded buck is commendable...most hunters (rifle,muzz.,bow) would just look for the wounded deer for a few hours and give up.

I have guided hunters for 22 years and have seen more wounded elk die from muzz., and rifle hunters that were never recovered because lazy guides and more so lazy hunters thought they "missed" and would not go look for the game that they just shot at.

Bowhunters on the otherhand wounded more elk than muzz., and rifle hunters, but atleast most of them would heal from the wounds quickly enough that other bow, muzz., or rifle hunters would fill their tags on these wounded elk, at least this is what I saw.

Congrats again

Nmbighorn
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-10-11 AT 12:19PM (MST)[p]Nv:

Pretty amazing, I believe it was you that started a thread a few months back. You asked about finding a 180" buck on the Utah General. If I remember right, you mostly were laughed at.

I'll admit I was one of the doubters! So then you go out in an unfamiliar area, with a bow no less, and shoot a bigger buck than most of us on this site have lied about lol...

You are a better hunter than me!!! That buck is probably one of the most impressive accomplishments I've seen on here. Congrat's!!
 
he is a cool buck but he will not gross in the high 80's... NO mass, no 4's, no 3's. THat deer would be lucky to go 170"
 
Porn_Star.....seriously? You can't just say "nice buck"? Let's see the buck you shot this year with your bow.

Great buck!!!!! Shiz happens and sometimes you lose an animal. I am yet to see any archery hunter, or rifle or MZ hunter in this state punch their tag when the wound an animal. I am sure it probably happens, but it's very rare.

Again...beautiful buck!
 
I'm just wondering how many deer or elk does a hunter get to wound (let's face it kill and not recover) and keep hunting before he should call it quits?
 
Awesome buck! Congrats and welcome to Utah! You set the bar high for yourself.



"Half of being smart, is knowing what you're dumb about."
 
That's a nice buck, coming from an area which has a lot of pressure. Hat's off to you for doing it with archery equipment.
 
Thanks everyone! Persistance pays off sometimes. Headed out on a 6 day elk hunt tomorrow and hope my luck continues.

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Congratulations Abe! That is a fantastic buck and I feel for you on the loss of the other deer. You put more than an admirable effort into finding him and I don't understand the hate. It's easy to snipe from the keyboard. Sleep well my friend.

Elliott
 
I gotta agree, if you draw blood, punch your tag, your hunt is over. Having a hunting license does not entitle you to shoot animals until you can take one home.......someone mentioned the wolves not being the biggest problem facing our herds, I completely agree, we as hunters will be the deciding factor.

Hunting isn't like ordering a steak dinner and then sending it back because it's not cooked the way we like it. I feel if you shoot an animal, your hunt is over.

We frequently hunt bears in canada, I shot a bear that we weren't able to recover until the next day, I was planning on punching my tag regardless. Our wild life herds need us to manage them as best as we can, being able to shoot and kill multiple critters on the same tag is horrible management. I can't even believe it's a debatable topic.
 
+1 on the you draw blood you should be done hunting.

Some of these guys say as long as you "put the effort" into recovery you're ok to shoot another one. With that premise I can shoot one or two deer/elk every day of the hunt...as long as I "put in the effort" to recover them. We all know you are fooling yourself if you think these animals will recover and live happily ever after.
 
Sorry to disappoint anyone but are the facts ...
1. I didn't break a law.
2. My conscience is clear.
3. I have a big buck.
4. Someone here will always be jealous and try and bring you down.


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Great buck! Congrats on getting a second chance at another big boy! This is indeed hunting boys and girls. Sometimes $hit happens. If you hunt long enough it will happen to everyone. Some of us have hunted long enough that $hit has gone sideways more than once. I once had a big ol' muley that I had watched and filmed for several years and picked up numerous years of sheds off of him. One year I was able to locate him during the season and had him at under 40 yards. The shot felt good and I had real good blood. I was shooting a 300 win Mag with 200 grain Partitions. I had had a grizzly tag that same year so instead of sighting in 2 different ammo I was hunting deer with the same ammo as I was hunting grizz with. Well the short version of the story is the blood trail went from good to just the odd speck every hundred metres or so. Close to 3 hours of tracking in snow with 2 buddies on either side of me we saw the buck twice but failed to get a shot off again. I left the track just before dark just sick to my stomach. My dream buck and I messed up. I hung ribbon and GPS'd the last speck of blood and the next morning I was on my way to that spot when I hit his track more than a km from where I had last had him. He had spent the night ruttin, chasin' and fightin'. It was like a barn yard in there and impossible to sort out which way he had gone come daylight. I then spent then next 3 weeks chasing tracks and ravens. I barely ate or slept over those 3 weeks as that buck haunted me. Of course I had numerous keyboard ethictians on the internet call me every name in the book regarding my loss of the buck. Numerous guys said I was the most ethical hunter they knew of cause gawd fordid I shot a buck at 40 yards in the thick timber. Numerous guys told me I was unethical cause I was still hunting and I should have cut my tag. Well it turned out we found that buck again on the very last day of the season and after an epic stalk, I was able to finish the job I had started 3 1/2 weeks earlier. There was only a few short hours to spare too. Soooo, had I had listened to all the internet gurus and cut my tag, I would never had had the opportunity to finish the story. That buck probably would have been cougar scat or wolf scat that winter since he had a shattered front shoulder. Yup, the first bullet entered the brisket and took out opposite shoulder and yet that buck never died. How I missed lungs I don't know. All I know is the internet wannabes were eating crow when I finally killed that Legend. :)
 
+1 BC
It happens to everyone if you hunt long enough. Too many factors in hunting to guarantee a kill every single shot no matter what weapon you use. If everyone killed everything they ever shot at it would be called Killing not Hunting. Gratz on the big buck man.


-Cass
 
>I'm just wondering how many deer
>or elk does a hunter
>get to wound (let's face
>it kill and not recover)
>and keep hunting before he
>should call it quits?

.....as many as he/she wants!
 
Sometimes things DO go sideways, but unlike BCBOY that put in 3 weeks of looking for his buck(and I'm sure he saw a few different big bucks along the way).Some folks, feel ok giving it the 3 day search. While others are ok with the 3 hour search.

Its personal ethics, it can't be quantified.

If Nv hunter says he did everything he could, I have to take his word for it.

Nice buck, and good luck on your elk hunt.

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nv_hunter?

Who shot the 374" Bull?



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I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
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Agree 100% with post 34. Congrats to you nv_hunter for being brave enough to come on here and share this experience. This is a topic that will always piss people off no matter what. How many hunting shows do you watch that show a "clean miss shot"? We are all human and I don't care how great you are and how much you practice, everybody who has ever shot at an animal knows that you can't GUARANTEE a perfect shot. I agree with having proper judgement and practicing. I myself have exceeded my boundaries(sure I will catch crap over that one). Definately wish I could have either a perfect kill shot or "a clean miss". What's in between? Anyway congrats to you. That is an awesome buck. PM sent your way.
 
I am not telling you that what you did is right or wrong... If you were hunting in Alaska and you wound a big game animal say a caribou or a moose or a bear and you do not find it. That is the animal that you claim. I know that is the law in Alaska I am surprised it is not the law in Utah if it is not the case and it is not agent the law then Congratulations. That is a awesome buck that you ended up with. I on the other hand would be thinking well Shitt I just killed or fatally wounded a nice buck and could not recover it I think I would turn in my bow for the season until I found the first buck but that is just me... Lets just hope that next you you stick to the one deer on kill program...
 
Congrats on a sweet buck. Do not let the MM police ruin your success. NOBODY else on this website ever makes a bad shot or a mistake. (In fact most of them never take a shot at all!!!) Being an out of state hunter and getting 2 shots at two big bucks on the front is an accomplishment in and of itself. It is to bad you didn't recover the 1st buck but awesome job on the buck you shot.

For those complaining about archers wounding animals I would say at least he is on the Wasatch Front that is bowhunting only and he is not wounding a deer the rifle hunters had a chance at anyways. Us archers are wounding so many deer and killing so many bucks that we have one of the most heavily hunted yet highly productive units in the state. If archers kill and wound so many big bucks why does the Wasatch Front continue to produce some of the biggest bucks in the state???? It seems to me archery only areas manage themselves and that with the few horror stories of wounded and lost deer we still have an excellent buck to doe ratio and quality deer to hunt on the front. Could it be because archery is an excellent management tool in and of itself? Compare this unit to any around it with similar genetics and winter range and there is no COMPARISON. The only difference is that it is archery only. Yes once in a while an animal gets wounded but that happens on rifle hunts and muzzleloader hunts as well. Yes there are some bone headed archers out there that do not sight in there bow until the night before the season, but there are rifle hunters that haven't shot there rifles in 3 years and just hope they are on. All am saying is don't generalize and don't tell a guy what he should or should not do. This guy does not seem to be a hunter that just flings arrows and hopes to hit something. He sounds like a legit hunter who made a poor shot and lost a nice deer.

Don't be jealous of him for being successful. He made an honest effort to recover the 1st buck and it was his call to continue hunting. I personally don't think he did anything wrong and I congratulate him on killing one of those smart old wasatch bucks. Chances on these kinds of deer don't come everyday on the wasatch.

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Nobody is questioning NV's hunting ability. He is obviously a well accomplished hunter. That being said, when he shot the first buck he knew that he hit it very well and that it "wouldn't go a 100 yards". He is also a good enough hunter to know a good shot vs. a bad shot. So he knows it was a fatal hit. Knowingly killing one buck (at least 90%+ chance of dying), he goes out and shoots another. For purpose of argument let's say he couldn't recover "Haus" does he get to shoot another buck and another buck and another. At what point is enough enough? If he shoots all of these bucks and can't recover any of them, he still isn't breaking any laws (which seems to be his primary guide on ethics).

BTW - this is not a archery only issue, there are unethical hunters that go out every year with every type of weapon wounding animals with absolutely no respect for the game they pursue.
 
+1

This happened to a friend this year too. He calmly punched his tag and spent the rest of his season trying to find his animal. Hasnt found it yet, but also hasnt given up and maybe we will find it this fall while chukar hunting. fingers crossed. Fortunately it sounds like the Satch has a good herd on it and a couple lost deer arent going to kill this for everyone.

NV Hunter... if this happened in Nevada, knowing the size of our herds would you have still gone for the second buck knowing that we are lacking in numbers to begin with? Just a question, not trying to get anyone riled up.
 
What would happen their deer heard if every hunter (bow, rifle, and muzzy) all killed two deer (legally of course)?
 
Curious as to what the hunters who would punch their tag do if they found the deer days or even weeks later. In BC our tags have a date to punch out. So if you are packin' out a head from your late find kill and your tag is punch for days previous, you run into a CO you will be fined for an improperly cut tag. We have numerous species here where you need to have an inspection (CI) done within 30 days of harvest. You wound an animal and cut your tag, how do you do you get the CI done? If a CO checks you later in the season and sees a cut tag with no CI you will be in deep dodo. Just something to think about. If you have such high moral ethics that you feel you must not hunt again after wounding an animal, wouldn't it be best just to leave the tag alone and not hunt again?
 
I feel if you take an ethical shot, one within your ability and you exhaust all resources to find that animal. I see nothing wrong with continuing hunting, I have done the same thing but never had another opportunity at an animal. Had it presented itself I would of taking advantage of it in a heartbeat, especially in our OIL elk/deer hunts here in UT! But if you driving around flinging arrows/bullets at deer and make little effort to follow up then I think those types of hunters should not hunt. I dont think we have to be worried about hunters like nv_hunter, we need to worry about those that are just flinging shots and hoping something happens.
 
>Curious as to what the hunters
>who would punch their tag
>do if they found the
>deer days or even weeks
>later. In BC our tags
>have a date to punch
>out. So if you are
>packin' out a head from
>your late find kill and
>your tag is punch for
>days previous, you run into
>a CO you will be
>fined for an improperly cut
>tag. We have numerous species
>here where you need to
>have an inspection (CI) done
>within 30 days of harvest.
>You wound an animal and
>cut your tag, how do
>you do you get the
>CI done? If a CO
>checks you later in the
>season and sees a cut
>tag with no CI you
>will be in deep dodo.
>Just something to think about.
>If you have such high
>moral ethics that you feel
>you must not hunt again
>after wounding an animal, wouldn't
>it be best just to
>leave the tag alone and
>not hunt again?
 
I wonder how many of these internet ethics police, big mouth studs are guilty of doing the same thing themselves but wont own up to it? Some of you make me laugh!!!!

NV Nice job on your harvest!!

Reminds me of a thread a while ago. A young man wounded an animal. After looking and asking for help... Oh boy was he told how tragic the lost was and demanded he punch his tag.

Reminded me of the Salem Witch Trials,,
 
Well RUG!

When My 375 RUM Wounds an Animal I punch my Tag!:D

For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!:D

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
:p
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-12-11 AT 08:57PM (MST)[p]Ya, its a nice buck. I've wounded an animal and then after making a concerted effort to find it, went back and bagged a different animal. As some have noted, $hit happens and if it does, I don't think you brag about yer kill. Leaves a bad taste and is nothing to be admired...
 
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>AT 08:57?PM (MST)

>
>Ya, its a nice buck.
>I've wounded an animal and
>then after making a concerted
>effort to find it, went
>back and bagged a different
>animal. As some have noted,
>$hit happens and if it
>does, I don't think you
>brag about yer kill.
>Leaves a bad taste and
>is nothing to be admired...
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I don't think he was bragging. This is a hunting forum. People post their stories and pictures on here. How the hunt went, etc.
 
Nice Buck and Story, It isn't hunting trip unless something goes wrong, You didn't find the first buck, NO_ONE on here knows if he lived or died. I would do the same thing look for that buck until I was sure I couldn't find him, I would still be hunting, IMO you did what you think is right and so would I.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Nice buck NV.

Sounds like we got the real story for once on this website. It cracks me up sometimes to read the public version of a hunt versus what I know really happened.

Keep in mind that it just sounds like 99% of everyone would quit hunting. The people who would keep hunting like you did are probably in the majority but don't feel like chiming in and getting roasted.
 
Not to bust you balls or anyone else's for that matter, your statistics are just a tad off. Technically that would mean only one person out of the 68 posts that are shown would keep hunting. I havent tallied it myself or do I really care to but I think it would probaby be closer to 50% as to the norm on most subjects in this country.
Regardless, the guy is getting his balls busted over a mere subject matter of opinion on ethics. We all grew up different and were raised to follow certain ethics and we do as such. To each thier own I say. We dont own the game its all shared unless you have the luxury to have private ground. So I try not to force my views of of what I belive on to anyone. Meet a happy medium if their is such a thing and go on hunting! We better stick together before some genious in the political world trys to take something else away from us.
NV Hunter, like I said before nice job and let the crap role right off your back.
It is truly amazing how speculation can turn an opinion to truth. No one including NV Hunter has seen the buck dead as far as we know. So we can not truly say it is dead or even shot with a lethal shot. NV Hunter may have thought he hit it clean but at that moment his perception of what might have happened may have been false. Who are we to say?
It is highly possible that he hit in a void, where no vital hit or even death will occur. So is he suppossed to chase the same deer all over the mountain and claim its his until he can put a tag on it? What if someone else kills it 4 days later, are they going to yield it to him just cuz he hit it first? We all know how that will go! Im just saying speculating the outcome without even being there, is unjust to us as human beings and the sport in general. Look what it does to our legal system! Thanks
 
Nice post AntlerJunky, i agree with most of what you said there!

Me, myself, i'd have been done! On a opening morning at daylight, I missed a big bull elk in Colo a good many years back that i felt sure that i had killed dead. Within the day and several trips up to where the bull was and back where i shot from, i actually found the rock my bullet impacted into sounding like a direct hit. The distance to the Bull was something like 450 yds but during the just breaking day conditions, i felt he was within 300 yds and held dead on with a very steady rest.

That was the last year i hunted without a rangefinder and that was the last i hunted Elk on that trip. Yes, i cleanly missed that bull but i was so sick about it, i was done and had no further interest in the hunt.

I have long been one to say "hit one and done". I hope the Law changes in all the states to make it the rule of the land. I too can understand NV's drive to continue and kill another buck. Maybe back when his age and with his drive, i might have done the same but i don't think so. Even though he took another buck, i'm not going to judge him one way or another. I walk in my own boots, not his.

Joey
 
nv_hunter, I went back and re-read your original post and copied it here.
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"So I arrowed a big buck lastnight at 7. 21 yards and he didn't know I was there. He was quartering away and the arrow hit right behind the ribs. He jumped and then tried to run but his back legs wouldn't work so he tumbled 3 times and then was out of my sight. I gave him 30 and went looking for a trail of blood. Only blood I found was where he tumbled. It was dark blood with chunks of fat around the blood about the size of a marble. I searched till dark and then was back at 5 this morning but nothing. No more blood. Rocky ground so no tracks. Did circles away from the blood and tried walking all escape routes. How long do I have before the yotes and birds give his location away?"
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"and the arrow hit right behind the ribs. He jumped and then tried to run but his back legs wouldn't work so he tumbled 3 times and then was out of my sight."

I don't think you hit behind the ribs at all. It sounds more like a spine hit, and probably just grazed the spine. A gut shot deer can use their back legs just fine.

"Only blood I found was where he tumbled. It was dark blood with chunks of fat around the blood about the size of a marble."

Again it sounds like you just grazed the spine. That's the fattest point on a buck.

If you had severed the spine he would have gone nowhere, except as far as he could have drug himself with his front legs. You surely would have found him in short order.

For what it's worth, I think that buck is alive and probably mending fine.

Eel
 
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I would tend to agree - I don't think you have anything to worry about. You did your due dilligence. Could be that somebody else saw him coming over the hill and plugged him too. Never cut your tag until you can put it ON THE DEAD ANIMAL. That is just as ethical and a lot more legal - just ask BCBOY.


HOOK 'EM!
 
sheesh, mm police out in force. Congrats on a great effort and hunt.

The buck I tagged a few years ago was in the middle of rutting hard. He had his nose down and was pushing a hot doe. After I ran one through his boiler room and got to cutting him up, I found two other wounds in him. One was about the front 12" of an arrow, grim reaper included, stuck in his shoulder. The other was a wound in his hind quarter. Both had stopped bleeding and he was on his way to healing over.

Just because you hit one doesn't mean it dies. Those buggers are tough.
 
I think I first mentioned killing 2 bucks(which I still believe is true) and it still makes me frustrated, but I can't deny you seem to think you looked as hard and as long as you could.

I quote you-

On the third morning I returned to look for birds or yotes to give his location away. As I glassed from a ridge top I put my eyes on a few deer and one of them was Haus! Again I watched him bed down. He was in a great place for a stalk<when you say this, your search for the first buck was over, you were again in hunt mode> but I wasn't done looking for the buck I hit three days before. I spent the next several hours moving from ridge top to ridge top looking for any sign of predators.

-i wonder how hard the search for a mortaly wounded buck continued once a BIGGER buck was spotted? Sometimes a piled up buck won't be found for awhile...even by the critters. He may have been 1 ridge over-

Might have been....you say you looked as long and as hard as you could, I accept that...I don't agree(but I also don't think that you'd maliciously go out and kill 2 bucks), but good on you, and again nice follow-up buck.
 
First let me say Very Nice Buck! I would be tickled pink with an animal like that.

I have to question how hard you looked for your deer though. Seems to me a bigger one came along and the search was over.

How is this any different than shooting an animal that you are good with and then a bigger one walks out behind him? Do you shoot the bigger one and forget about the first one?

I have experienced this myself firsthand with a bear hunt. I made a good clean shot on a bear. Shot was on video and we were able to review it. found good blood before we backed out. Looked very good. Rained hard all night and all the next day. Long story short I never found my bear. My hunt was over!

My take is that once you draw blood, and if you are not sure if it is mortally wounded or not then you should punch your tag.

I also know that every outfitter I have heard of says they live by this same policy.

I wonder why that may be?


"The problem with quotes on Internet Forums is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
 
So - you really do need to answer Triple K's question. How are you pronouncing the name of this buck,

Haus as in "House" or Haus as in "Hoss"?

Just curious. And why?




HOOK 'EM!
 
Sweet buck

It was a blast to go out and scout these bucks with you and also see a deer caped for the first time. Definitely an educational experience. I'm psyched for the rifle hunt and to continue the archery hunt.
 
RE: Deadbuck down..

>Hey I was told that the
>Fish and Game were called
>out this weekend for a
>big buck down near Alta.
>I am asuming that is
>the first buck you shot.
>I think it should be
>easy for them to link
>it to you right? You
>said you went in and
>talked to the Fish and
>Game after you cut you
>tag. It makes me wonder
>if you will get to
>keep either bucks if it
>is the first deer that
>you shot, but did not
>recover.

Talk about jumping to conclusions! I was not even in the same canyon as Alta.


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RE: Deadbuck down..

This is from your story right??(I had only lived in Utah for a short time and was very unfamiliar with areas and where to begin. I met some very friendly hunters that were eager to point me in a general direction as well as the few who didn't. Most pointed me in the direction of the Front. The Wasatch is a big range and has every kind of terrain imaginable so I just started my scouting near Alta and moved north one or two canyons per trip.?
I am just saying since you supposedly went in and talked to the Fish and Game about cutting your tag on the first buck it should make it easier for them to know who poached the first nice buck if and which that is what happened....
 
RE: Deadbuck down..

LAST EDITED ON Sep-20-11 AT 05:07PM (MST)[p]First of all its not poaching if it was a wounded dear I couldnt find after putting due diligance.

Second it wasnt shot anywhere near Alta.


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