Why shoot lions on sight?

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azdogman

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Ok. So we don't hurt elkuns feelings here is a thread you can say why. How about some facts to back up all your feelings that lions are running rampid and killing more deer now then before. I posted some facts to back up my opinion. I feel that most deer hunters are misinformed and don't really understand. Funny how all deer hunters think there are so many lions. They should go with a hound hunter and drive hundreds of miles looking for tracks. Might change your feelings.
 
When TARDS are allowed by the UDWR to over hunt Deer along with Poor Management,RoadKills & Poaching Habits, Lions will always be blamed for current Deer Herd existence,of course all the TARDS blaming 'JUST LIONS' for poor Deer herds never get out in the field enough to see Coyotes are doing 10 times the damage as the Lions are.

Wake the Hell up TARDS & see the light!
What really cracks me up is MM Pro's Blaming just one animal for the suffering Utah Deer Herd when in Reality there are at least 15+ reasons why the Deer Herd ain't gonna come back!


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Think I'll start a new Thread:
Gut Shoot all Illegal ATV'ers(In the Piston)(just to be PC) & ask questions later.

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I have dogs and before i got them i thought the reason why there I wasn't seeing a lot of deer was cause we saw a lion one time and so therefore there was way too many lions. When i bought the dogs I went to my deer hunting spot and hunted the lions hard with the mentality that I was going to find a ton of lions and kill them all. Well after hunting it hard for a year and a half and never finding a lion track to run. I realized it wasn't the lions to blame. Every morning I would go out I would find atleast 5 different fresh coyote tracks.
 
Another question could be how many cougars have you honestly seen, that you could have killed, without actually pursuing them with dogs?

I have seen two, neither of which allowed an opportunity for a shot, of any kind.
 
Because I have a lion tag (comes with the package every year) and the lion population is simply too high.


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I think we should be able to shoot lions on sight for the mere fact they are a trophy animal and the opportunities are so rare to actually catch one out in the wild... I have seen 2 my entire life hunting in the hills. Have cut tracks several times, but only seen one that was close enough to kill... It would have been a trophy of a lifetime.

If the DWR issued a tag to every deer hunter just in the rifle hunt at say $3 a pop, they'd have an extra $130,000 each year... Just another thought, since they're all about the money


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
I have hunted lions since I was a little kid and its always the same, drive 80-100 miles maybe see a lion track maybe not but one thing you always see plenty of is (drum roll please) COYOTE TRACKS!!! I see plenty of these and any chance I get I shoot on site!!! I would like to see numbers on how many deer coyotes kill a winter vs how many lions kill that I think would suprise some people. just my thoughts what do you guys think?
 
Ok azdogman, I have no intention of arguing with your numbers on lions and the miles you have traveled to find a track, but I can find a lion track on my horse ride(from my house) almost every weekend. I find kills regularly, and I kill every coyote I can. Nobody said Lions are the only problem but if any one says they are not a large factor in the declining deer herd they are wrong. Lions are amazing animals and very efficient at killing deer. And I would love to shoot a lion if it were legal I have a chance almost every winter to harvest one. I watched two of them breed three times from my front porch. And I do have pics to prove it.
 
Last year on a third season deer hunt in Colorado we chased coyotes of two dead fawns (they escaped before we could shoot them). After that hunt I went and invested in a .223 to hunt coyotes. I hadn't realized that coyotes were that proficient at killing fawns. I have also seen lots of dead deer and elk that were likely killed by cougars in several places that I've hunted. But given that coyotes season is open year round in most places I say we all take a few weekends a year and get rid of a few, it certainly can't hurt and we can enjoy being out hunting.
 
Not wanting to argue with you but why dont you kill the lion behind your house?? Is it a draw unit only lack of hounds or what keeps you from killing??? Just curious
 
If you don't think lions hurt deer numbers look at eastern Oregon deer herds since the dog ban in '94 to today. for an over the counter $10 tag that runs 2/3 of the year you can shoot them on sight yet numbers continue to increase.

Lions kill deer, if you like to hunt deer more than lions I'd say shoot them on sight. not rocket science here.
 
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HOOK 'EM!
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I don't think anyone is blaming lions for the condition of the deer herds. All by themselves anyway. There are many factors that contribute to that. But lions are one of them. And when it comes to predators for mule deer, I'd bet lions are at the very tip top of the list. ( would you shoot a wolf on sight in Utah?)

Coyotes take their fair share i'm sure. The young and the weak. Lions could care less the size and health of a deer.

The predator argument has been going on for a long time. Just a simple checks and balance system. Except you can't count lions. They have no idea what hunting and tag numbers are doing to their population. All they can do is age them and compare that data. And I may be mistaken, but I heard that data shows the age of lions harvested is getting younger?

I've gone on many lion hunts. It's a blast. And all of the old timer lion hunters I've gone with have never complained about lion numbers. Just the opposite. Their complaint was it seemed to be getting harder to find a big tom track. I don't know what that means, but we never had a problem finding a track.

I wonder if they are similar to the coyotes? Government trackers and regular sportsmen do everything they can to keep the coyote numbers down. But the more you kill, the bigger the litters get. I don't think coyote numbers are suffering at all. Maybe the more lions you take, the more kittens will survive to off set that? I really have no idea, just a thought. But I don't think lion populations are suffering either. Where I live anyway...
 
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First off let me start out by saying I do not want to stir anyone up. My first love is deer hunting but a close second is chasin kitty cats. I got my first hound about 20 years ago because we were seeing quite a few lion tracks on our ranch. I like the rest of the "uneducated" people on this site blamed the lions for the declining deer population. The first few years in the hound business we caught and killed plenty of lions. Since that time deer numbers have not seem to increase, and now are at an all time low, along with the lions. Landowners and hunters think that there is a lion behind every bush on the mountian and I can assure you this is not the case. From now until the middle of January I will spend over 30 days hound doggin over a 70 mile area every day and will be extremely lucky if I can cut 10 fresh chaseable lion tracks. I do realize that lions eat deer, but they, in my hunting area at least, are not the main reason for the declining deer numbers. Everything adds up and yes lions are part of this. How big of a part depends on the area, am sure some areas have more of a problem then others. In Utah the DWR is doing their share to eliminate lions in these areas. Lions are a game animal that definitely needs to be managed and protected, if not it would be relatively easy to kill them out of most areas. Lion hunting is a tradition in my family and I hope that I will be able to continue this tradition in the future with not only my children but also my grand children. Hunting isnt always about the kill but about the memories. And by the way in the winter while I am stomping around the hills I run into way more deer that have been killed by coyotes than by lions, it is not even close. Coyotes will kill deer of all ages not only the fawns. If you do not believe me ask anyone who watches the deer on Antelope Island.
 
It kinda bugs me when people say that lions aren't the whole problem. Well neither is coyotes or habitat, or a million other factors. So lets just not deal with any of them because it's not the whole problem.
 
Detective Bucky
How many Lions you been stalked by?
Nothin funnier than a ##### running backwards to his truck being chased by a ##### with a Feather Flipper in his hands.

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I live in a state where lions are not hunted and most hunters blame lions for declining deer numbers,our group has no problem filling our tags every year when hunt in our mule deer units when we draw.The one thing I have noticed is that the guys that dont know how to hunt use the excuses of to many lions,it was a full moon I realy do get tired of hearing those lines.We scout we learn our unit we see pleanty of bucks every year and we can pick which buck we want to shoot, not just the first fork that comes by.
I have been hunting this state for 28 years and havent seen a lion yet.
 
6X7
There are Lions,just not in near the numbers these TARDS think there are.

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How could you compare a state that does not allow hunting lions to a state that does. Were not saying they don't kill deer. Were saying they are not the reason for poor deer hunting in Utah.
 
Yup elkun,
and according to your DWR they think the same about Deer!

>6x7 they have seen you""""show them
>to me. 2 lions are
>1 and a half too
>many....


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"Wake the Hell up TARDS & see the light!
What really cracks me up is MM Pro's Blaming just one animal for the suffering Utah Deer Herd when in Reality there are at least 15+ reasons why the Deer Herd ain't gonna come back!"

How would you know ShowThemToMe???
You have your head so far up your axx you wouldn't see a good set if they smacked you in the face.

You're right! There are multiple problems but to dismiss predators is pretty lame.

Slick

"The Road goes on forever & the Party never Ends"
 
Nobody is only blaming lions. They are just one of the many problems. Fix one while concentrating on the other problems and maybe we can get our deer herd to recover. Timp started to recover after they took 30 or so lions of that area one winter. Can't hurt to remove some more in other areas.
 
How many Lions did you see/shoot last Winter slick?
Drink one more Beer slick!

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Dismiss Predators?
Ok Slick,I won't Dismiss them all,I'll add TARDS to the Predator list!
It's past your bed time.
Maybe you can call Obama & get us some Stimulus money to wipe every Lion out,that'll surely fix the Deer Herd

>"Wake the Hell up TARDS &
>see the light!
>What really cracks me up is
>MM Pro's Blaming just one
>animal for the suffering Utah
>Deer Herd when in Reality
>there are at least 15+
>reasons why the Deer Herd
>ain't gonna come back!"
>
>How would you know ShowThemToMe???
>You have your head so far
>up your axx you wouldn't
>see a good set if
>they smacked you in the
>face.
>
>You're right! There are multiple problems
>but to dismiss predators is
>pretty lame.
>
>Slick
>
>"The Road goes on forever &
>the Party never Ends"


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oh jezz. now you done it. you brought obama in on it. thats low . realy low. chill out. have a glass of milke. a little jack in it. . now thats better. we dont want to have to change your name again.....
 
6x7 I am glad your party is filled with such great hunters and you fill your tags annually ( we do ok also and generally don't use excuses when we don't) but to say lions are not a problem in Kali is about the dumbest thing I have read on here.

I have hunted deer in Kali for 28 years as well and never saw a cat for the first 10 with lots of hours logged in the woods before I saw my first in an X zone and then Kali Govt. in their infinite wisdom closed all hunting for cats. for the last 10 years or so I have seen cats every year with a max of 6 and a minimum of two and that is without nearly as much time in the woods as I did years ago. The toll on the blacktail herd has been devastating in the B-zones.

As has been stated cats are not the only problem with deer herds but to say they are not part of it in kali especially is just plain ignorant.

6x7 if you wanna see a cat PM me and I can point you in a direction that if you don't see one then I wanna know where you deer hunt because they must be lousy for you and yours to find them blindly.

Bill

Look out Forkie, FTW is watching us!
 
Huntindad4 Im sure in cali is a whole different story since you can not hunt them. Sad part is they pay gov hunters to kill the lions but that is hush hush.
 
Seems pretty simple to me. If deer population is suffering, hand out less tags and kill more predators. I hunt with a good buddy and he isn't interested in Coyote hunting because he doesn't believe in killing something he won't eat or use. Your willing to take out a Deer or a Quail, but taking out an over populated predator isn't as important? The small population of cats vs. other predators tells me they can't be the biggest problem. The truth is that WE are the biggest problem.
 
It's just a name elkun:D


>oh jezz. now you done it.
>you brought obama in on
>it. thats low . realy
>low. chill out. have
>a glass of milke. a
>little jack in it. .
>now thats better. we dont
>want to have to change
>your name again.....


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No doubt a different story az, but I think Kali is the only state you can't hunt them and if you read 6x7's post he says you can't hunt them in his state so I made the leap to him being from Kali. Making his statements ..............interesting.

I hope your right about the govt. killers but all I have heard about is their relocation effort which is disgusting if true.

Bill

Look out Forkie, FTW is watching us!
 
Two things I think need to change:

No lion pursuit tags, it makes them smarter and further from the road.

Spotlighting of coyotes should be made easier. Right now if you spotlight more likely than not the Country Sheriff will have a red light on you from someone calling on their cell phone. Years ago it was great sport to go out in the middle of the night, calling, spotlighting, and shooting coyotes.
 
>Two things I think need to
>change:
>
>No lion pursuit tags, it makes
>them smarter and further from
>the road.
>


How about this then - no trail cameras, no scouting for deer, only one person extra for every person that has a deer tag, and you must kill the first buck you see!!

How else is a person supposed to train hounds if he can't pursue them. Only go out with his one tag and kill the lion, then feed the dogs for the other 364 days a year? Be a de facto guide and take every Tom, #####, and Harry out because they have a kill tag as well?
 

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