Trophy hunters are ruining everythng!

I just happen to disagree, but thats ok,every one has a different opinion and times and populations do change with animals and humans.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-20-11 AT 05:26PM (MST)[p]Some of its true but the main reason is less and less deer.
 
The guy probley road hunts and shoot's 2 points!



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Interesting read. I tend to agree with Appleman's observations that changing human and wildlife population trends through the years has impacted hunting in the state.
I don't subscribe that trophy hunting has made the state worst and fail to see how creating 30 hunting units can empower trophy hunters. Just don't see it.

Eldorado
 
Creating smaller units isn't a big deal if done correctly. Other states do it with great results. What I'm concerned about is how SFW is changing all the regulations in order to increase the value of hunting permits. They have convinced the board to divide the state up, and now it will be so easy for them to reduce permits gradually until we have a whole bunch of high dollar tags all over the place and the average joe won't be able to hunt. That's what they've done to elk hunting already! Go spike hunting or pi$$ off they tell us. The deer herds are next!

Find a way to eliminate the dictatorship we have in place for wildlife management and you will see big changes in the quality of our hunting. SFW and the wildlife board are not concerned at all with how many people hunt. They don't care about the animals, the hunters, or anything but $$. SFW gets rich off the coveted LE tags and they bribe the wildlife board to make those tags more valuable. Find a way to topple this corrupt system and return the wildlife to the people! Easier said than done :)
 
Swear to Gawd I was told it was the Lions destroying everything!

Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
You are spot on el matador. The SFW(sportsman for wealthy) has a huge impact on what the dwr does. They have turned hunting in Utah into a rich man's sport, and will continue to do so until we stop giving them our money. One way to start is to not go to the sportsmans expo where you can put in for tags that you thought you where putting in for on the regular draw. SFW has a lot to do with this.
 
Adapt to change. It's a part of life. It's easy to sit behind a computer and type and article, blaming someone else for a problem. Present some facts to support your claim, at the very least.

How about you write an article on what sportsmen can do to help the deer herds? Too many people want everyone else to do the work, so they can reap the benefits.

I know a lot of people who have nothing to do with SFW, that are in support of managing our deer herds on a more micromanagement style.


BowHuntr
 
I think he made some good points and these changes will chase hunters away from the sport I've already seen it. If your dedicated to the sport you will probably like the changes. Its the casual hunter that its going to hurt.
 
It is a REAL problem. We should really be placing the blame on these "non-profit" organizations. SFW, Mule Deer Foundation, and others. The state gives them conservation permits, which in turn they sell and banquets, profiting nearly 90% in most cases of the money. Which in turn is given out to employees and congressman to vote on bills that make it easier for these groups to make more money.........hence the rich get to hunt "trophies" and the working man gets screwed.........lets work on boycotting and investigation these terrible groups. Non-profit.....thats laughable!
 
It doesn't matter whether one agrees or not, what is stated is true. The effect, reduced public support, is inevitable....unless we (hunters) change the direction in which all of this is headed.

We NEED more animals: reduce predators and institute strategic feedings locations. We need to VOTE for those that support more participation and opportunity. We NEED more young hunters (not 10 but 10,000).

More big bucks inevitably follow more deer.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
It's like most articles by the "experts", some truth laced with a heavy dose of opinion.

I think the cry went out to improve the deer herds and the F&G are responding and doing what they think best. I have no problem with more control through the 30 units. The tag cuts to improve the herd isn't the right direction, imho. It will improve the buck numbers and quality.... if that's what we all want???

I do have a real concern with the loss of hunters though. We're getting weaker in numbers but those who still hunt are the core of the sport and conservation efforts. I doubt the changes will turn a hardcore hunter into a tennis player.

I wish I had all the answers....but nobody does!

Zeke
 
im just not sold on this guys theory that less deer tags means less hunters in general maybe afield but thats it. I dont think setting smaller boundries on deer units and trying to better manage deer is to confusing if you know how to read a map wich anyone responsible that gos hunting should know. Nobody hunts horses or prarie dogs and theres plenty of political money and support for them. In fact there is prob more political support for hunting now than there was in the 70s and 80s because there didnt need to be that kind of support cause people had there heads on straight back then.All these special interests groups everyone rag on are spending lots of time and money to battle for our hunting rights and i thank and support them for that. I dont agree with everything they do but i believe in that aspect of it.

BTW does anyone know the number of people that apply for tags in utah every year?
 
dont belive every thing they tell you . hell dont belive anything they tell you......every body lies.....
 
look behind closed doors. whos meeting with dwr. the govment. buy god dont even trust you sister.....
 
The thing that scares me the most is the 18:100 to 25:100 buck to doe ratio the state is proposing. We will never see an increase in tags unless the unit goes over 25:100 and they will keep cutting tags until it gets up to the 18:100 limit if it falls under or already is. I would be more willing to support a 15:100 to 20:100 range. I think we will also loose a lot of hunters due to frustration on seeing low buck numbers in the field, if we continue down the road we have been traveling. If more bucks are being seen in the field(even during summer camping trips) people will start coming back and applying.
 
I took my nephew hunting deer in UT last year, the hunting was pretty poor and I understand why kids are dropping out, its just nothing like the good old days. I also have nephews in NE Nevada, and they may not hunt every year but are always talking about hunting, thinking about hunting and aren't dropping out. I believe Wharton is wrong, kids need good chances at game and a somewhat quality experience to keep interest in the sport, and unfortunately in this modern world that means a quarter of a million people can't hunt deer every single year in Utah anymore, its just not sustainable.
 
tom wharton is a pretty good guy. his wife taught me fourth grade. he is more of a granola than a good ol boy and i think his opinion represents that. i gaurantee he would blame our deer number decline on development and off roaders. he may not be wrong on that. but i think our 30 unit system is a step in the right direction. i am looking forward to some proper management. i am skeptical, but optimistic.
 
Is everyone sure when need to recruit more younger hunters. Would that put more hunters in the field going after less and less deer? Aren't our children enough to replace the hunting pool? Do you think we will loose hunting in Utah? As long as California still has hunting I don't think we have to worry.....right :)

If we agree that we need to recruit and keep young hunters, you need a healthy population to keep them. No young hunter is going to stay devoted if they arent seeing any bucks, or if there are to many hunters to compete with....we have to understand that we cant have the best of both worlds.

Something has got to give

I am all for reduced tags, 3 point or better for 18 and above, anything goes for 18 and younger.......
 
The one thing that i can't understand is why some people think the 30 unit idea is such a bad one. Wyoming and several other states use the same type of micro-managing and it seems to be working pretty good there. And you can't have quarter million people hunting for only a quarter million deer. What else are they supossed to do just keep issuing tags and pretend there isn't a problem?


Don't be afraid to live for fear of dieing.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-23-11 AT 07:43AM (MST)[p]Wyoming doesn't really manage deer or elk in micro units,only antelope, and the deer hunting generally isn't very good here because of it. Colorado and Nevada are the the states that manage hunters and deer in individual units, and with good results in my opinion.
 
Right on - just check out the many units that Colorado is managing and the hunting has always been good here.
The management for each unit is typically for 30/100 Buck to Doe ratio and the main concern for depletion of mule deer herds has a lot to do with bad weather and enormous Elk herds.
Colorado has twice the population and out of state hunters as Utah does - I would have thought the management was better but maybe not.
 

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