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If the Utah DWR would be willing to close all general season deer units for 3 years and then guarantee a tag the fourth year, would you would be willing to pay 4 years of license and tag fees to participate? Have any of you seen the Utah DWR produced film by made by James Bond (no joke) in 1958 titled "Bucks, bucks, bucks?" I have and it's frustrating to see us continuing to not achieve our mule deer potential in the bee hive state.
 
Some problems with that idea. Would everyone that wanted to hunt the fourth year be able to participate? I don't think so. The frustrating thing to me is many people don't realize that the human population has tripled since 1960. Habitat is disappearing and the good old days are gone. The DWR gets a lot of blame but they are only a small part of the problem.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-30-11 AT 11:26AM (MST)[p]I pretty well done with Utah General season deer hunting. We saw a lot of deer and only very small bucks. Not worth the 800 mile drive.
 
Nope, I wanna hunt every year.


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What I wish they would do in NM is this, instead of charging $34 for a deer tag and selling a few hundred for a given unit, charge me $300-400 dollars and then instead of a few hundred tags try selling about 100. If you dont think that will work then go look at large private ranches, like ours for example, and compare the deer numbers there to the rest of the unit. No comparison... you have an finite number of animals, if you kill 10 and 10 don't get replaced then you're on a decline thats only harder to overcome with each year. And before everyone whines about the money part of it, deer are the dollars that the game and fish needs to live. Like any other wasteful government body, they have no clue how to down size or do more with less, they have to have the money to live. (or at least they think they do)

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hell yes i would! i live to hunt muleys, but utah is headed down a bad road. not only are we losing our deer and our land, we are losing the young" would be" hunters, not interested in fighting the crowds to shoot yearling bucks.
 
Let me see if I understand the TARDology:

#1-We close the whole State for 3 years?

#2-We decide/hope that in 3 years the Herd has fixed itself & everything is Perfect?

#3-Like Most TARD Hunters are gonna religiously pay for something they ain't getting?Good Luck with that one.

#4-TARDS decide since they can't Hunt deer they triple the pressure on the Elk herd & do serious damage to the Elk herd!

#5-Let's say the Deer Herd Revives somewhat?

#6-On year # 4 everybody & their brothers,sisters,cousins,uncles,aunts,nieces,nephews,sister-in-laws,brorher-in-laws,mother-in-laws,father-in-laws,2nd cousins,3rd cousins are damn well ready to kill anything that moves so they all want permits & they want them now!

#7-After the season ends on year #4 there ain't a damn thing left,we are right back where we started,but hot damn it sure was fun for a few days,took years to achieve,but only days to destroy,WTF?



Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
That sounds like a good idea for some people, I just don't believe any kind of blanket management is good when it comes to trophy hunting. The only one-size-fits-all management plan that works at all is open bull or any buck management. Many different attitudes exist amongst hunters. Some like meat hunting, some like to shoot anything bigger than a 2 point, and so on up to the guys who won't shoot anything but a Booner. Getting a tag every 4th year would only accommodate a small demographic. The new plan from the UDWR has great potential for diversifying opportunities if it's done right...I'm just worried SFW will convince them to make every unit a trophy unit. I say merge LE and general units so that we have just deer units. Then you'd have areas you can draw every year if you're a meat hunter and areas that take 10 years or more to draw but offer great trophy hunting.
 
Jazzed,

You are completely on the wrong track. I drove from Hurricane to Richfield this morning at first light. I saw a fraction of the does and fawns I ususally see this time of year.

Why aren't you concerned about the "herd?" Too many of us have trophys on the brain and can't think about the real problem for the herd in general. The DWR has adopted the SFW management plan of fewer tags, higher prices, and more units as a response. The squeeky wheel got the grease. It is a red herring to the real problem.

Figure out why the does are not having fawns that survive and this all goes away.
 
even if they make it so a third of the hunters can hunt a buck deer every third year, with triple the amount of people, ten times the easy access, three times as many people,and one third the quality habitat as there was in 1960, what do you think would happen?
 
I'm willing to do what needs to be done for the herd IF IT MAKE SENSE.

The post by showthemtome was right on the money,IMHO.

Like showthemtome said, Sorry bro, but the "sit out 3 years and then slaughter the bucks" sounds like it's headed down the wrong road.

Contrary to popular belief, there are deer out there to be hunted. Could it be better? yes! Could it get worse? yes! But most of the strange ideas are... well... just that, strange.

Zeke
 
+1 to showem, zeke, and smelly

I believe too many people are thinking drastic measures will solve the problem. Shut everything down, slash large amounts of tag numbers. Would these things help, yeah to some degree but it's not the fix all or really even the major root of the problem.
Emotional responses to try and fix a problem is never the right way to go about fixing something. We are all emotionally tied to our deer herd, but we need to logically think about the solution. There are reports that make it sound like there are no more deer in Utah and quickly people assume the best thing to do is shut everything down. It's drastic, it's bold, but is it the best long-term solution? Call me weird, conservative, or whatever but this train of thought makes me think of our countries bail out plan.
Where do I see the majority of dead deer when I'm out and about? Winter ranges and roadways. If we want to bring back the numbers that's where we need to start (starting with helping does and fawn make it to the next year). If we want to help our bucks mature a little bit then maybe a restriction of 3 point or better (unless you are a youth hunter or first time tag holder) would be the route to go. Heck even do both.
I want to be able to hunt as often as I can just like the next person, so I would say no to the idea posted. It makes no sense to me at all.
We may all have our own reasons for hunting, but we ought to be able to come together as hunters and come up with a better, logical solution than that for our deer herd right? Probably not.
I'm done ranting
 
Nope
And the reason is because it wouldn't fix are deer heard
Hunters kill 25,000 deer a year.
But yet there should be ruffle 200,000 deer born every year.If the DWR numbers are correct anyways on are deer count
Find out what is happening to are other 175,000 deer a year and you will be getting somewhere
 
No,

Shutting down the general season deer units would have a negative affect on everything. It makes absolutely no sense. If bucks carried fawns it would make sense, but by keeping all of the bucks you would find that a lot of the mature bucks would die from over excertion during the rut, conservation and hunter recruitment would be gone, and a lot of hunters would never come back....
 
Honestly, having 29 units to manage might give us the opportunity to try this management plan out... In fact, I'm sure the DWR will do just that. A policy for the entire state wouldn't make a lot of sense, but maybe on a couple units, they shut them down for a couple years just to see how it works out...

My guess, it'll be just as ShowThemToMe said...

I think we're in for a few more LE units in the near future... Boulder could be turned into a LE deer unit pretty easily I think, and frankly I wouldn't bet against it in the next 3 years even... Reduced tags, at increased prices- that's what we're gonna be lookin at here in Utah...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Utahns wont pay for something they dont get unless you tell them "they will be blessed".
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-02-11 AT 09:41AM (MST)[p]after reading these posts, the thing that jumped out at me was from GLEDEASY. this is not an attack on him, just my thoughts. i have heard lots of people refer to the 3pt. or better restriction as a way to help improve big buck numbers, but i dont see that working. namely, hunter responsibility. i cant help but think about how few hunters would actually take the time to identify if a buck has 3 or more on 1 side. i think alot of people have the shoot first, ask questions later mentality. if a deer is shot and doesnt have 3 or more, how many would be left dead and wasted? until ALL hunters acquire the equipment, patience and professionalism to clearly know what they are shooting at before they pull the trigger, i am pessimistic about antler restrictions. maybe i dont give the general hunting population enough credit, but i doubt it. just my 2 cents.
 
I would in a heart beat do make some archery only units thatll save some deer boot the rifle hunt make a sept and an oct. muzzleloader save a few more thats another Idea. I would sit out 3 yrs and go shed hunt the hell out of every state or go with someone on their outdoor adventure I love mule deer and ill do whatever is best for them.
 
There is a reason that Colorado abandoned the 3-pt. and better rule......it flat didn't work. Decline is inarguably a complex issue with many factors but there are a few things that Utah seems to be doing that flies in the face of reason alltogether.....like killing does out of herds that are NOT "over objective". Manage the individual herds as just that and go completely limited draw as Colo. did back in '98 and it just might help. I for one wasn't thrilled to lose my OTC buck hunting here but looking back it was a necessary evil and sure seems to have helped a ton.
 
I appreciate the comments about the 3 point or better comment I made. I was naive in knowing that it had been implimented in another state with little affect. I do not believe that putting antler restrictions would benefit herd size just maybe allow more deer to mature a little bit.

There may be some who would shoot before making sure it was at least a three point and then leave it upon discovery. I believe these same type of people would waste our natural resources in other ways just as easily. The large hunter population during the deer hunt could help police it. Maybe less deer would be shot and wounded that are never found because the hunter would need to either settle themselves down or shoot from a shorter distance(not out of their shooting comfort zone) in identifying the bucks size before shooting. Just some food for thought (I understand you would be putting a lot of trust in the general public), and if the experiment has happened before with little results then it may not even be beneficial.

As much as I enjoyed having large regions, having 29 units could have a positive effect on our deer population by allowing the micro management of certain areas better. In order to be successful though they still need to address the issues concerning doe and fawn survival.
 
Nope.

Increase fines on poachers to pay for increased enforcement and let the honest guy hunt every year. Just a thought.
 
You actually think a Utard is capable of self control? Utards shoot anything that moves, including does and 2 points. Get real.
 
Like stated before you will find more deer dead on the roadways than hunters take in a year. We need to find a way to curtail this problem. Also there are way more towns popping up in areas that used to be in the migration
 
Yes, but you can knock off 1 year for every pair of mountain lion ears you turn into DWR. Knock off 1 year for every 5 pairs of coyote ears. Knock off 2 years for every pair of poacher ears.

Add 1 year for every deer you hit on the road.

Deer season runs for 7 days, mid October. You can use a rifle, smokepole, or bow, or all three.

Eel
 

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