Would it be legal, ethical, and ...........

Ridn9high

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..........correct as a fellow hunter to put my dad in with me for the 2012 Colorado deer draw, just like we have the past 8 years. He passed away yesterday at the young age of 51.

We have 6 pp's each(missed 2 years due to busy schedule). We both had decided that we would put in together until we could draw a hunt. I've been gathering info the past few years, trying to get him on his best buck. He had always been a meat hunter and wasn't much on antlers. I'm the opposite and really wanted him to have a good one on the wall.

My question is, would it be legal to still put him in for a tag with me. I know it's taking a tag from someone else that has saved up many years of points. I would just like to go have a memorable hunt and hopefully a great buck on the wall with both our tags together.

Sorry guys if it sounds stupid or selfish. I'm just not thinking right at the moment. Also if you all would, please pray for peace over my family.
 
Sorry to hear about your loss. Is it legal? Not sure. But that sounds like a terrific tribute to your father. If you can't do that...maybe take something of his with you and leave it in a special spot on the mountain. I think it's safe to say that hunting has brought a lot of MM'ers closer to their fathers. Take care.
 
Very sorry for your loss. 51 is way too early to cash it in. Concerning your question: I'm not completely sure what you are asking. Are you asking if you can draw a tag for him and fill it? One way or the other, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to even put his name in the draw, as he is no longer alive. As far as I know, it is illegal to fill another person's tag, unless that person is blind or handicapped. Some states have special regulations in those circumstances. If I were you, I would put in with another relative or close friend, and then carry a picture or something with special meaning that represents your Dad. I did that when I lost my boys and it really helped to make it feel like they were there sharing in the experience. May God bless you and your family. This is a really crappy time of year to have to deal with loss.
 
Just put him in for it with me. I'd fill my tag and just keep his in memory. But only if that would be legal to even apply.
 
If its a paper application this would be illegal as you would need to sign his name. As for electronic the same would hold true.

How about grabbing his rifle and using that?

I have to ask , how would your father feel if he knew this gesture of yours might be taking an opportunity from another sportsperson? I hope you find your answers and comfort in this time of sorrow. I wish you peace...

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
At age 50, I can tell you 51 is way too young to go. I'm sorry to hear that. I agree with others. Take something special, use your dads gun/knife.

Yelum
 
So sorry to hear of your loss. My condolences to you and your family.

So, you're dad died yesterday and you are thinking about how you are going to put in for your hunts next year?

I guess I can understand why but I think you are thinking only with your emotions right now. Give it a week or so then re-visit the issue. Surely there are other things to be concerned about right now. Any decision made now would be an emotional one so I would suggest you wait a little while.

Besides, you already answered your question thoroughly enough in your reply and the question itself.


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I just reached a solid 58! At 51 your dad was way too early leaving this earth. He must have something important to do on the other side.
I don't think he'll be worring about whether he has a deer tag or not. It's a nice gesture but I'd bet it would be illegal and the FW&P might view it as you trying to kill 2 bucks. Just my opinion though.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Zeke
 
My deepest condolences on the passing of your father. My prayers go out to you and your family.

Having lost my father several years ago, I feel your pain and loss. My grief is tempered by the beautiful memories my father and I had in the field.

You honor the memory of your father by continuing to take to the field with family and friends.

Good luck to you.

Eldorado
 
>So sorry to hear of your
>loss. My condolences to you
>and your family.
>
>So, you're dad died yesterday and
>you are thinking about how
>you are going to put
>in for your hunts next
>year?
>
>I guess I can understand why
>but I think you are
>thinking only with your emotions
>right now. Give it a
>week or so then re-visit
>the issue. Surely there are
>other things to be concerned
>about right now. Any decision
>made now would be an
>emotional one so I would
>suggest you wait a little
>while.
>
>Besides, you already answered your question
>thoroughly enough in your reply
>and the question itself.
>
>
>HOOK 'EM!
>_______________________________________
>
>Since I am frequently asked about
>my religion on this site
>and others, I have created
>a profile that explains my
>beliefs. If you are interested
>in finding out more about
>my faith, please visit the
>link below:
>
>http://mormon.org/me/6RNQ/


Yes, my dad passed yesterday. Trust me, I have a million questions running through my head. We had a business together, and now it's all left in my hand. Every single job we have going, is now up to me.

Hunting was a way of life from September til January since I was able to walk. We have been doing this together forever. Thinking about the next hunt, puts a little piece in my heart and helps with my nerves right now. Yes I know it's early after the situation, but I can't even explain the emotions right now.
 
I still pack around the 339 LE elk tag my dad drew right before he died,some day Im going to draw that tag and they are both going on my bull.I wouldnt risk the legal implications of filing a false application,the outcome wouldnt have pleased you Dad.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-11 AT 06:21PM (MST)[p]Sorry to hear about your Dad. Are you asking if it would be all right to put in with your Dad because his Preferance Points might better "your" odds to draw? Not actually fill his tag?

That's between you , your Dad and the Law.You could have probably got away with it if you hadn't of posted the idea on here.

Sorry for your loss.
 
sorry about your loss. that is a very early age to go and best of wishes to you and your family.

i wonder if you could go to the game and fish and maybe they could print you a tag and put void on the back of it.
 
Damn.

That hits home, especially since I turned 51 in October!

A lot of hurt losing your Dad, I lost mine when I was 30, he was 58.

My sincere condolences to you.
 
I just turned 29 in October. Defintely too young to lose a parent. I'm the oldest out of my sibblings. My sister turned 22 thus year and brother 24, and 26.

Thanks for the responses. It brought out another way to look at things.
The more I think about it, the more I figure my dad wouldn't want to take a tag from another hunter. He'd rather let someone else have a great hunt, than get a tag and not use it.

My buddies and I have been filming hunts all year and will film next years hunt(if I draw)in memory of my father. I'll make sure and post the video after the hunt.
 
Really sorry to hear about your Dad. The good news is that you'll feel better with time. It took me about a year before that feeling like someone just kicked me in the stomach finally went away. It's a cool thing to be close but hard when you lose them.

I was 34 and my Dad was 61. We were partners in a construction business. I had to finish up the stuff we had going and look after my Mom, not any easy order. We also had commercial fishing licenses. We had a little routine when we got to the mouth of the bay and were headed out into the "big" water. I would ask him where he thought we should go and he would always tell me, "Son, you know this stretch of the coast like the back of your hand. Call the ball."

When I took him to the ER I was watching through the window of the room with the x-ray viewers and as they turned on the light, I could see the tumor above his right eye immediately. Made my blood turn to ice. When I walked into his room, he asked me if they figured out what was wrong with him. I just said, "Yes". He just gave me a little smile and said, "Son, you know me like the back of your hand. Call the ball". Got him the best medical care possible in the world but still buried him a month later.

Thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family during this tough time. You'll find more was caught then taught and you have everything you need to get through it.
 
I lost my big brother six years ago at the age of 58 and we had always hunted with our dad and other brother since were little boys. It was so hard to not have him on our hunts since that time each year to Colorado. My sister-in-law gave me the last gun that he put together and I have killed four good mule deer with it. Also each year I take a little dirt from his grave and when I kill my buck, I spread the dirt on the mountain where I killed the deer. I truly believe that he is there with me and has a lot to do with me killing the nice bucks! I hunt on the same mountain that he last hunted with me and I have killed a 197 2/8s, 187, and this year a 180 class buck! Thanks "Big Brother"!
Enjoy the memories, no one can take that away from you! You have those forever! Sorry for you loss! Hang in there and go make a gut pile for him next year! God bless you!
 
Prayers going out to you Bro! I just lost my Dad on 9/11, but he was only 5 days short of his 89th birthday and lived a good, full life. He'll be with me on every hunt from here on just like yours will be with you!!!
 
Rather than try to do what you're doing...do something special to take on all your hunts. Two seasons ago, my Dad and lifelong hunting mentor passed away at 86 yrs., and last season I hunted, I hunted in some of the areas we hunted as a kid, and even though today a lot of the habitat was changed due to huge fires and low deer numbers, I was able to pause and reflect on several key canyons or ridgetops, I even let a few smaller bucks walk. Starting that year, I now take a sort of shrine to hang in all my camps so I can see Dad is with me. (The "half-a-buck" antler mount above his picture has some special significance to me as well!:))

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I know where your head is at right now. My father died at age 52, in 1977......I still miss him everyday.

Believe me, you will find him in every hunting camp you go to.

By the way, I turned 65 on the 26th.....

"Fathom the hypocracy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove that they are insured.....but not everyone must prove that they are a citizen"
 
R9HIGH........VERY SORRY FOR YOUR EARLY LOSS, FOR SURE. THERE ARE A LOT OF DAD'S OUT THERE THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SON LIKE YOURSELF. MY BET IS HE IS REAL PROUD OF YOU......TIME WILL HEAL, TAKE IT SLOW.........................YD.
 
So sorry for you're loss, The James family will say a prayer for you and you're family tonight.

booner.
 
I'm sorry for your loss...

I would try and think of another way to salute your father. I can't imagine a scenario where it would be legal to put in for, let alone draw a tag for a person who is deceased...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Can't imagine what you are going through... Sorry about your loss of a dad and hunting partner.

As far as your question, I don't think it's legal, ethical or OK that you'd try and take a tag from someone else in this situation. Like already said there are far better ways to remember him and bring him along on your hunting trips...

Let someone else enjoy the woods while they still can with that tag.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
Ridn9high-

That makes me sad and brings back memories of my Dad....he passed away in 1996 while I was hunting in NM for deer. This was 2 weeks after we all (my brother, me and Dad) spent a few days on a badlands hunt near Thermop WY. That hunt was tough on him, in fact he probably shouldn't have done it, given his health. But he did anyways, drove all the way from VA.

He was 66. If it wasn't for him I wouldn't be hunting every year these days. He knew it was worse than he let on, and I think he wanted to go quietly without any long period of suffering around him.

I learned to fish and hunt whitetails with him in VA for my first 21 years. I still remember his story of his first (of 2 total) western hunt of his life, a deer hunt in CO. He saw thousands of elk up by Craig migrating that year....probably in the 1970s. Perhaps that's why I've lived in CO for the last 28 years ??

Hang in there buddy, and do what you want to do with that tag application. If he draws, more power to him and I won't be upset if I don't draw :)

Doug
 
Sorry for your loss. Your Dad has a special son. Getting emotional reading these posts. So glad I still got my dad at 71. I don't want to miss a minute I can hunt with him! I will remember these posts.
 
Best wishes to you and yours now and in the times to come. Don't worry where your head is at. When you grieve, grieve, when you feel okay and can do your work, do it. If you can find some solace or normalcy in anything--including preparing for future hunts--do it. There is no particular right or wrong to dealing with death. It will be unique to you and your dad's death. Prayers to you brother.
 

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