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I found this on another forum and I thought that I would post it.

"Peay is once again engaging in populist tripe and emotions in order to increase his and SFW's influence going into the upcoming legislative session. I think he's also wanting to win back the money from former supporters who have abandoned him.

Most everyone agrees that coyotes kill fawns and, likely, a few larger deer, and there's good evidence of coyote predation in some areas actually being a limiting factor in deer populations. The same is true of cougar predation.

Peay's claim of being able to double deer herds in two to four years, however, is absolute, total crap. It's utterly ludicrous ? even for him! Even if we manage to eliminate coyotes, there's no convincing scientific data that predicts a large effect on overall deer numbers. Furthermore, even if that data existed, there's no practical way to greatly reduce coyote numbers short of reviving widespread poisoning, which is prohibited by federal regulation.

For over a hundred years this and other western states attempted to eradicate coyotes with little success ? and much of that period was during a time where poison bait was legal and used extensively by government trappers. With this in mind, just what is Peay proposing as his "major funding and efforts" to significantly reduce coyote numbers. A fee increase, I assume. Well, coincidentally (or not) the state legislative session is coming up, so before anybody has time to think about this and see the flaws, he wants to ram through some legislation that isn't supported by the biological evidence. In other words, typical Peay crap.

So let's say he lobbies successfully for that fee increase or reallocation of funds, just how does that money get spent? What are the practical steps to kill tens of thousands of coyotes? Giant bounties? A small army of professional hunters flying around in helicopters? Hijacking DWR employees? Is there any evidence whatsoever that this approach will be successful in reducing coyote numbers? No, there is no evidence that pouring money into coyote control will actually result in significant coyote population decreases. The biologists at the DWR have stated repeatedly that it does little good to kill coyotes except during specific times of the year when pairing and litter production can be affected.

Peay is an arrogant and self-aggrandizing bag of wind whose expertise lies not in biology but in raising money, promoting himself and influencing people through rhetoric and pandering to public emotion. The guy's the equivalent of a southern televangelist who works the crowd by guaranteeing to cure the sick with a slap to the forehead followed up by a plea for a sizable donation. Science doesn't matter. Evidence doesn't matter. What matters is stirring up the audience, then proclaiming himself as the savior.

Is this really how we want wildlife policy in this state to be determined? Instead of listening to professional biologists who have dedicated their lives to researching and understanding the complex interwoven relationships between habitat, predator and prey, we defer instead to a pompous windbag whose main goal seems to be enriching himself, expanding his enormous ego, peddling influence, growing big antlers by increasing buck-to-doe ratios, cherry picking science to serve his agenda, magically eliminating coyotes and lurching from one idea to the next before the evidence is in from the previous strategy."

Here is the link: http://utahwildlife.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40010&start=10
 
Well gathering the $ shouldn't be a problem, lets take the expo $ and kill some yotes with it. The problem is we dont know where the $ is going with donation of our tags.
 
Thats the best post regarding Peay and SFW I've ever read...and SPOT on.

Just shocking how many swill his brand of kool-aid.
 
This has created quite a stir, but I think that it is necessary to demonstrate some of the emotions that have come about from his directive to take over management.

Just like the Utah Farm Bureau there are a lot of things that I can agree with him on, but the second they turn around they are stabbed in the back.

Predator control and Habitat enhancement are ventures that I could pour money into SFW without any reservations.

My concern is for SFW's Utah management practices. I feel that many of the actions that have recently been proposed conerning mule deer management will be a detriment to the sport of big game hunting. Doubling the herd numbers sounds great, but they said so themselves "how can you actually obtain an accurate count?" and what obligates them in the future if this does not happen?
 
Again I apologize for my ignorance. Isn't there already a bounty on coyotes? Is there ever any money in the bank to pay the bounty? I myself have HEARD of the bounty for the past 15 years, but have actually never tried to collect. I have also HEARD of people trying to collect and being turned away empty handed. Is there any truth to this?

If I were in it for the money I'm sure I would know these answers.

On a side note; There is a lot of rhetoric out there concerning the Vernon unit. Just a theory that I have about that unit please indulge me.

Has anyone sat down to think why that unit is so sustainable? Sure there have been huge population fluctuations and it does get closed down from time to time, but in the matter of a year or so it is back up and running. For the past couple of years there have been around 300 bucks a year taken off of that unit. It's not a very big area really, it consists of a couple of peaks and a pretty bad watershed, hot summer temperatures, fair to poor food (I could be wrong), tons of recreationists of all varieties year round. It's surrounded by ranches and farms. There are always cattle around, in, on, and if they could fly over the unit! What do ranchers and farmers do to ensure the survivability of their crop and herds? They control animals, and more specifically predators.

Just a thought backed by absolutely nothing plotted as scientific data! Of course time travel hasn't been plotted either and it's still considered scientific data...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-12 AT 01:08PM (MST)[p]when I hear someone complaining like they are in this post it makes me pissed in a way because I think they are clueless. I cant stand sfw for their political agenda "BUT" I think I fully understand the problems were up against when it comes to our deer.

Coyote control is extremely expensive. You cant just put a bounty on them and expect them to come to a call and shoot them. Anyone that has hunted coyotes with calls knows how educated these coyotes are. To effectively control them you have to use 1080 which is banned! Or shoot them from the air. Shooting them from the air is also expensive. Im sure the division is smart enough to realize shooting them from certain times of year will help out better then other times of the year.

So If they are going to use the money to shoot coyotes from the air im all for it even if it cost me a few extra bucks. Fawn recruitment is the only way to increase the deer. just like 1080 brought the deer to an artificial high we might be able to bring them back up a touch higher with killing them from the air. I however only think this will help if other states are willing to do there share of coyote control. If other states just sit back and watch the coyotes will just migrate back into utah.

Coyotes breed like wild pigs or have the capabilities to bread way faster then deer. So trying to eliminate or reduce them from the air has yet to be seen in my eyes.


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I agree with SWbuckmaster.

1080 and shotguns in helicopters can do wonders.

On that note I am on the Don Peay bandwagon, but it does not make sense that this guy is the biggest advocate to restricting hunters and placing limitations on general season hunters. The purpose to increasing the herd is to ensure that the future of hunting remains a priority to the majority of Utah's population. We have the resource (bucks) so why in the world would an organization work in the opposite direction?
 
He may have been roasted on UWN, but thats not a news flash. That happens almost daily on that site.
 
Yeah... It's going take a bit for Don to be considered a hero on a "Utah" based forum.

As much as smitty might not like it I am not grateful for his influence on the DWR. He can influence the Feds all day long, but when the DWR gets blamed for stepping on a pile of dog crap and tracking it all over the new carpet sometimes we have to look at the dog that pooped on the sidewalk.

As far as his efforts on predators... I can give thumbs up.
 

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