Viewpoint of the 70%

wileywapati

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As a 70 percenter here is my viewpoint in case any of you actually give a rats rectum.

SFW and it's salesmen are truly masters of creating a mob mentality in short order. Last year we needed "More Bucks" now it appears 13 months later that suddenly "Bucks aren't the issue"
Since 1994 it's been all about habitat and now "we've got plenty of habitat just not enough deer." I could continue but ya'll get the point.

Now many of you will say something to the effect of "well at least SFW is doing SOMETHING" Well if you get lost on the mountain do you just take off on a full sprint in any direction?? Do you practice S.T.O.P. Stop, Think, Observe, Plan??
SFW and it's salesmen have been doing this since the day Don rallied the troops on the Capitol Steps and he is a freaking genius at this tactic. He can utter a few bumpersticker catch phrases like wolf, liberal, us against them and so on. It's called IMPULSE BUYING and is a great sales trick.

Back in the early days of SFW they accomplished their biggest and best, IMHO, feat in passing Prop 5. You know the law that
would require a 2/3 majority vote on wildlife issues. This would take emotion right out of wildlife issues.... Except for SFW its salesmen and their Lemming followers.

So my point to this long winded, DC like rant is this.
Stop and think for one freaking second before you start selling Amway with DP and his latest salesman DC.

This money, for an all out assault on predators, is just DP and DC's latest sprint in the wrong direction while lost on the mountain. Normally I'd give a rats ass less but this time they are going to have a funding effect on programs I do give a rats ass about, Fishing, that WILL FUND Deer hunting in the very near future, is supposed to sacrifice for the wishes of a handful of dudes that haven't been right since 1994?? Youth programs that are the defense of hunting going forward are supposed to concede to the wishes of a few?? Turkeys, Phragmites and several other programs deserve to keep their funding too.

Stop and think this latest bait and switch through.

WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 10:17AM (MST)[p]Well,Well,Well wiley!

Did you know bobcat's are now being blamed & hammered by JOKERS that don't have a clue what's wrong with the TARDville Deer Herd?GEEZUS!

Ya,there's been a couple of confirmed cases where a bobcat got him a Deer Dinner,but it don't happen often!:D

Anyway wiley?

Do We do something serious enough to help bring the Deer Herd back?

Or do we just keep going in the same direction as the last 40 years & hunt them out within the next few years?

Just think!

When the Mule Deer Herd becomes Extinct,the UDWR will still sell you a Permit,You'll still get to pack your weapon in the woods,you'll still get to hunt Deer(even though there isn't any!)and BY GAWD You'll still have Opportunity!

You gonna be at the EXPO on Saturday?

I'm gettin my Ass Kicked at the EXPO by a few different people I've pissed off & I might need some help wiley!

EDIT:::I'm jumping on the OPPORTUNISTS side this time wiley,I have 0 Deer Points but BY GAWD I want a Henries Buck Tag & I want it now!


Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
Its about time they decided to fund our deer herds instead of fishing. 20 years ago the dwr always had a little paper pie graph chart you could get in there office. It showed where the money came and went. I remember the last one i saw showed 5 million coming in from hunting licenses.And only 1 million from fishing licences and such. But they spent 5 million on the fish, And only 1 million on the huntin...If theyed used the huntin money on fencing off the roads, and building deer overpasses, instead of plantin stinkin 8 inch rainbows by the truckload. Maybe our deer herd wouldnt be in such bad shape.....At least make the fishermen pay there own way if they wanna take home a cooler full of fish everytime out.Dont steal it from the hunting funding..I wish i would have kept some of the dwr;s little charts, i'd post a copy on here...i remember seeing them more then once.and it pissed me off back then. Because i didnt think that the deer huntin was as good as it should be, even back then.
 
Ok so DP and DC might not have all the answers and they might be trying but atleast the people that are trying are puttting boots on the ground miles on there trucks and trying to find answers. But here is my question WHAT IS THE 70% DOING ABOUT IT OTHER THEN PLACING BLAME AND POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS???? oh and sitting on the internet stirring the pot. if everybody on here had as much love and interest in helping the mule deer as DC does then just maybe something would get done
 
I agree with Big6. Tooooooo many people that point fingers and complain...yet never offer any suggestions on how to make things better or put in any sort of effort to help the deer herds in this state.

No one is perfect and everyone has flaws, but at least people/groups are out there putting in some effort.


BH
 
Big6 the 70% are the ones that actually pay the bills.
That's right they subsidize ALL of this sham and misdirection
Through license sales. Matching funds from the Feds. Gross
License sales that put Utah at a higher level for these funds.

So for DP to try and seperate the 30 from the 70 is a joke.
In political terms y'all would be the segment of society that pays no
Taxes yet wants me to work even harder so you'll continue to get
Yours.

The 70% also are the members of society that you use when
The anti hunters, pro wolf lobby and gun control nuts come
For your favorite deer rifle. To say that the 70% does nothing because
They don't fit your, DP's or DC's definition of "Hardcore Hunters"
That' should decide this next step forward is asinine.

I'll ask again if running in the wrong direction is your definition
Of "boots on the ground" or "doing something"?? To me it sure looks
Like further alienation of the majority. But in the words of DP
"If ya just want to kill a bull go to Colorado"








2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
wiley?

You gonna answer the Question?


Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
WW, Yer sure tryin hard to discredit SFW instead of propping up any of yer UWC BS. want any cheese with that wine? good gad I'm not sure if i've seen my 3 yr old throw a tantrem like you. Its funny how the UWC crowd focuses solely on raising the buck/doe ratio by 3 and fails to remember any of the other aspects the wildlife board, SFW, and the DWR said needed to be addressed to get the mule deer herd back on track. You guys are just a bunch of poloticians focusing on 1 aspect you dont agree with and found a bunch of people who agree with you and pound it to death. Try checking anywere and in any discussion the SFW or any other organazation has ever had and i guarrentee nobody ever said raising the buck/doe ratio 3 more bucks was going to fix everything. You just have selective hearing. You and averagehornhunter need to take better notes.
 
SHOWTHEMYOURCAT

This latest fiasco has nothing to do with opportunity vs trophy..
Nada squat zilch..

This has to do with the fact that DWR funding, to do all of the work necessary to help bring our herds back, is now tied to the buck to doe ratio of 25.. You won't sell one additional permit until a unit is above 25 - 100 bucks to doe's. Plain and simple.
You all bought that line 13 months ago and now apparently you are all swallowing this deal hook line and sinker as well. SUCKERS

Say next year they put out 80,000 deer permits. Where do ya think that ranks vs fishing?? Probably around 30 - 40%. So you tell me how are ya gonna fund all of this work?? Who is going to pay for all of this great new enhanced management?? The same fishermen and small game hunters you now want to take funding from?? The 70%?? How about school kids and education through the legislature?? Good luck with that.

As far as the Expo, I may go Saturday to help out with the NASP Tournament. IF I get a free ticket and you are buying the beer I'd love to hook up, My wallet ain't even coming in to the building.







2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
GREAT 2ND POST Hoghunter... Now run along the adults are talking


2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
Ouch that hurt. Thats pretty ballsy calling yerself an adult. I didnt know I had to have a 1000 posts to argue with a cyber know it all. Besides I actually have a life outside of the moniter.
 
HOG I'm far from a know it all... Most around here would tell ya I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. I do know when I'm being scammed though.

By the way I am more involved with BOU than with UWC as it relates to big game so if you would like to tie my position to an Organization please at least use the right Org.




2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
I'm tired of seeing the dumb asses blame the deer decline
on lions..An all out war on coyotes is whats needed NOW!

And yes, there are a lot of variables when it comes to deer,
But the way I see it, option 2 and killing yotes is a good
place to start.

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Well goofy!

We now have a Bunch blaming bobcats for killing big numbers of Deer!

What's next?


Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
SHOWMEYOURCAT

You buying the suds and watching my back at the expo??


2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
Who has more time and experience on the mountain per year??? the 70% weekend warriors or the 30%??? The cry from the 30% isn't that the quality is dropping as much it is the population is....

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Well--hell....Gordy

I am just waiting for 'Lumpy2' to post that the SFW caravan is rolling into New Hampshire for political gain...for UTAH Mule deer.

Maybe we should just all cover our eyes and to$$ as much as we can to the newest--greatest $FW Save our Utah Mule Deer bandwagon?? (January is afterall---Tax prep time)

It has been since 1994 that the big$hot $avior $FW has recieved our state public Con Org$ -- welfare tag$.

Any body find a webiste that accounts for all the scam Expo draw tags? Where on earth does all that $$$$$$$$$$$$ end up?

Robb

PS-I love ya DC but how many $FW good ole boy threads ya gonna start?
 
Wiley,
You are wrong my friend!!!! You are part of the 65% that do give a rats rectum. They are plenty of the 35%ers that dont give a rats rectum!!! The 70% are just coffee shop whiners. They are not at meetings they are not writing their reps they are not part of any organizations they are not even on here or other sites. Deer hunting is important to them way down the list on their yearly bucket list. They are on both sides of the arguement, that was my point about the 70%. So thank you for NOT beig part of the 70% regardless if we agree on therefor of fixing the deer herds!!!!

Please Dear,
I'll say this DC has got over his dislike of DP. For one reason and one reason only. Because nobody else has stepped up and done something. I have never joined SFW because I guess I'm not as forgiving. However I will agree with DC in his point that NO one has stepped up and showed results like DP. Honestly I really wish they would!!!! Until they do we should all find a common general to fight this war instead of attacking it like a six different tribes of wild indians.
 
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>SHOWMEYOURCAT
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>You buying the suds and watching
>my back at the expo??

I'll buy you a Brew wiley!

Just leave me the Aluminum as always!:D
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>2010 TOTALS
>P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
>UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS
>GONE




Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
Robb have you noticed 90% of those drinking the SFW coolaid have been bribed or are wealth tag business. SFW makes millions at the convention, but as soon as we ask wheres the $ they say they took some vets on a hunt or someother thing."How dare you ask" Great causes but NOT helping the deer herd. Ask Deloss they sent him to AK.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 06:30PM (MST)[p]Deerlove,
My wheels won't be greased, sorry bud.


I guess I missed DC going to AK????? You should clean the ##### out of your eyes before you start talking about it!!!!

If that came off as personal....it was meant to be.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 08:38PM (MST)[p]When did they send dc to alaska last i checked they sent his boy for his service in iraq and if they want to spend money to send our armed forces on dream hunts or fishing trips or snipe hunts whatever then good on them. Our brother sons fathers mothers and sisters put there lifes on the line so we can sit here and get mad cause an organization like sfw sends a true man on a dream adventure for standing up and fighting for what they believe in well good on them i say.
 
I'm an Iraq war vet if I join the sfw will they send me on a hunting trip to Alaska or is that a privledge reserved for those at the top of the organization.
 
Timothy i am not sure how you get in the pool but contact byron bateman bryce pilling or troy justicson and they coyld tell ya i know they did a mule deer hunt for a wounded vet last year
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 09:56PM (MST)[p]Wiley i might be part of the 30% that wants better quality but my stand point on the issue is this. before we can have quality we have to have animals. Right now i am part of the 100% that pay his fees for tags on top of that part of my check goes to our public lands for use permits from guiding hunts so now im paying the dwr blm and forest service so i pay more then the average guy and i spend a hell of alot more time in the hills then the average joe also. i cover more units in a month then alot of guys do in a year and from what i see is we have way to many hunters in th field for 3 months out of the year then what our current population can handle so by me saying this then that is slitting my own throat cause part of my living is made off of the hunter but the board has cut 13000 tags i say double that number raise tag prices 15 dollars and the still come out ahead on there money and more bucks are saved. take the extended archery and get rid of it. archery hunt cut it down to 15 days. shut the monroe mtn hunts down and any other struggling unit untill we can get our does and our bucks back in check im not stuck on the 18 bucks like some are but i do know we have to have does before we can have more bucks and a healthier population we do need more faws we need less preditors better habitat and many other things but why do we need to keep slaughtering our herds untill we have to shut a unit down why cant we just simply be better sportsman and manage better
 
"take the extended archery and get rid of it."

So Big6 we have a hunt and a unit that does quite well supporting all weapon types and the option to take a doe and you want to screw that up too???

Now ya know my frustrations with the latest gimmicks and flat out crap that we here in Utah call deer management.

Big6 does your guiding lose money for you or make money for you?






2010 TOTALS
P.E.T.A. = 0 HUNTERS GONE
UTAH WILDLIFE BOARD = 13,000 HUNTERS GONE
 
Yes i make money not alot but i do but im not in it to make alot of money. the extended it should be shut down i am against all doe hunts so that should be taken away but thts my 2 cents because overall the states population as a whole is struggling. I dont know a ton about the extended but from talking to hunters and other sportsman it aint doing that well
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-07-12 AT 11:43PM (MST)[p]For the Record Big6=Enemy of the Extended.....

IMHO the "extended" is one of the greatest things that Utah has going. Maybe not having an either sex option on the extended might not be in the best interest herd population, but if you have ever considered the purpose of the extended nothing makes better sense.

If you observe the Wasatch extended it is in urban proximity to many locations where highway mortality and city dwelling deer utilize city limits as a "get out of jail free card" the extended creates a balance and directs trends back to higher elevations. It generates funds for the DWR while controlling populations. If you want to make enemys on mm being anti-extended is going to keep the archery water cooler out of your reach.

As far as the 70% goes... Option 2 is going to wake a lot of the dormant 70% and the more people that SFW pisses off the more the three letters become synonanmous with with an organization that cluster shucks the states management system just to prove that it is capable. While predator control is a great effort an organization with "fish" in the title is proposing taking money from fish in this state......
 
PleaseDeer, quite frankly I've been expecting a PM from Founder regarding that question. I figure the Guests will read new threads quicker than wade through 50 comments, so when I want a lot of folks to read my propaganda I start a new post. However, it is pushing other posts off the page so I'm going to back off for while and let you all whack away at what we are trying to get done for mule deer.

I've decided I'll revert to a one liner, like some of the MM senior class are doing. From now on, any time anyone posts anything on mule deer in Utah I'm going to respond with it this.


Utah Mule Deer?
1,200,000 - 900,000 = 300,000 To Go
How's It Been Working For You?

DC


Besides, it will run up my post number quicker so WW can accept more of my logic, seeing as how he seems to believe the number of MM posts is coordinated to opinion or freedom of expression. Now that's the kind of leadership we can all get behind.

Utah Mule Deer?
1,200,000 - 900,000 = 300,000 To Go
How's It Been Working For You?
DC
 
Well Big6!

Limiting or Abolishing the Extended StickFlipper Hunt ought to stirr the StickFlippin Crowd!:D

I know You/Me/DWR can't count all the Deer with an accurate count,but I'd sure like to know what we have left(Did I just say this?)compared to what they say We have left?

I do know this!

The ole World has changed in many ways!

Them Mule Deer ain't coming back!

But to manage them like We have for the last 40 years has been the Biggest JOKE in History!

I do believe there will be times herd numbers will drop in the West no matter what kind of Plans we have!

But other States have brought Deer numbers back when Utah could have but chose not to!

I've been against TARDville Doe Shooter Hunts from day one many,many Fricken years ago,did anybody listen,HELL NO!

As I've said many a times,there are 20+ reasons the Utah Deer Herd is suffering & it'll never come back to what we once knew it!

Argue,Bittch,Moan & Whine,I'll admit over the years we could never get the Rifle Hunters to Band Together like the StickFlippers & get anything good done in this State!

They ain't comming back Boys!

The Changes it would take to bring em back in this state would be so severe you'd have an Up-Rising,maybe it's past time We had one?






Hot Dog,Hot Damn,I love this Ameri-can
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-08-12 AT 08:56AM (MST)[p]I romoved that post it was way off subject but it was a comment to reactors response
 

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