Question for Lumpy2

TheElitehornhunter · Jan 11, 2012

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You said a few times....

"Allowing local legislators to hear our concerns and our observations will help them make better decisions when it's time to vote on some of these matters"

You have said many legislators are getting involved.

Ok, so is there any bribery going on to help legislators get more involved in wildlife?

You also said that SFW claims we have enough habitat, but no deer using this habitat hence the reason to kill coyotes. So if we have enough habitat then SFW doesn't need as many tags to sell because they won't be spending as much on habitat.

SFW plans on doubling the deer herd in 5 years to 400,000 deer. They also want to raise the elk herd to 80,000. Will our habitat handle both elk and deer? Elk and Deer do compete for some of the same food and water sources.

IS SFW selling false hope so that people will buy into their greedy profit making schemes?

Muley_73 · Jan 11, 2012

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Elite,

I am pretty sure that lumpy is done posting on MM. You may want to ask the SFW themselves. Or maybe show up to one of the RACs or WB meetings and ask lumpy face to face? I am guessing you will do none of the above. You hide behind a screen name and throw stones. So I am sure you would never be man enough to show up and own your comments in person.

The fact that any one on this site entertains your clown act is amazing to me. I guess its how we were all raised. You dont pick on the slow kid and try and include him. I really hope you are just slow and not just a scared a**h***, it would give me more faith in humanity that way!!!

So thanks for coming out and participating and giving it your best. Oh and dont forget your fat crayons when you go home big guy!

Accusing a legislator of taking a bribe is a pretty big deal. You care to share the names of the legislators that you believe have been bribed.

TheElitehornhunter · Jan 12, 2012

Haha Muley why did my questions get you all riled up? They were just simple questions and anyone should ask since SFW is taking public tags and pimping them so we have the right to ask questions.

It's also laughable that you attack me MISTER dodge more questions than OBAMA.

I guess you didn't read my question, but I forgive you because of where you went to school. I asked if there has been any bribery. I didn't say there has been bribery. Do you see the difference? This is why I'm asking the question because i don't know.

I'm also not hiding behind from any computer screen. I have been to a lot of RAC and WB meetings.

So Muley don't get so riled up if someone is asking questions. Maybe you had a bad day so you had to release your frustration somewhere.

Muley_73 · Jan 12, 2012

Elite,
Please tell what question I have not answered??? You continually throw out assumptions or outlandish accusations. Then pull back and laugh and will not stand behind them. You don't fight for a fix you fight against SFW. Here is what I believe is a fact. End SFW tomorrow and it will accomplish nothing positive for our deer herds. Will they fix the herds???? Well I'm personally have little faith in that also. But doing away with them will not fix our deer herds and that I do have faith in!!! The herds were in terrible shape when SFW started. It's how they got their foot in the door. So I gues. I don't understand what killing them is going to accomplish? I love the expo tags. Gives me a chance to apply for every spieces in the state! 200 tags is not a big deal to me. The other conservation tags, well that money goes to the DWR and from what the DWR is saying they like the program. So kill SFW and I'd bet the program stays!!

Also I didn't say you don't go to meetings, I said ask your questions to lumpy to his face. Or ask me to my face. I'd love to chat anytime. But I'm guessing you'll stay quiet and joke on the net. Good thing the Internet came along so you voice your opinion. Man up some time and introduce yourself.

oakbrush · Jan 12, 2012

Elite

So you hate SFW. We get it. I don't agree with everything they do. All I know is they have hired a team of good lawyers to fight to keep wolves out of Utah. And as far as mule deer- they are trying. That is good enough for me.

Your passion is evident, but instead of all your energy going toward hating one organization and hours of typing on the interent, maybe direct that effort toward doing something to help muledeer.

Thanks,
oakbrush.

TheElitehornhunter · Jan 12, 2012

oh another beauty from Muley. To be honest Muley I can't even remember when you answered a question. You sure like to attack a lot of people on this forum though and then you talk about my attack on SFW. You haven't attacked me, but I do take everything you say like a grain of sand.

I'm not scared of the old coot Lumpy2, but are you his defender? I'm upset with SFW because of what they have become. They started out with a good mission statement. They have even said they have failed according to Lumpy2. They started letting greed drive their business and now they don't have the best interests of the majority of hunters in Utah. Yes they have done good things in the past also, but we really don't need SFW to save our deer because their proposals aren't geared towards helping our herd.

BUT DON will get on here and say I did this and I did that further trying to boost his EGO. I think one day his head is going to explode because he thinks he is just damn good because he doesn't live in reality. Maybe he needs a reality check.

I also have a problem with them receiving all the money raised from the EXPO tags and they aren't required to spend it on wildlife. They are free to spend it how they choose. These are public tags and the money raised should be used to benefit the public's wildlife.

Muley_73 · Jan 12, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-12 AT 11:18PM (MST)[p]Elite,
You do your thing and Ill do mine! Look me up sometime and we can discuss ideas.

AWHOLELOTTABULL · Jan 12, 2012

EHH, you and I have had our differences but knowing the "old coot" you are refering to, I'm sure he got a chuckle out of that label. I would dare say that if you got to know the "old coot", although you had differences of oppinion, there would be some respect there. I know quite a few people in the hunting industry and I have never met a person that has donated more personal time and money to Utah mule deer and hunting in general than the "old coot" you are referring to. I would compare the "old coot" to a dude on Seal Team 6. If I'm going to war for wildlife, he's the first person I would call. And it's not just because we share a lot of the same beliefs. There are several others on here like wileywapiti and Tree that I would want right beside me too and we don't agree on a lot of things when it comes to managing our wildlife. Friends just the same. Have a little respect for someone that holds more knowlege in his little finger about mule deer and the political process to pursue to get things done, than you and I will ever have. Who knows, you might just learn something. Best to you EHH. I like your passion.

It's always an adventure!!!