UTAH DEER REVENUES FOOD FOR THOUGHT

[travishunter3006]

I thought I would put this together as food for thought.

If we need tag cuts I think non residents should be the first ones to take the cuts. They can hunt their own state an IF it sucks as bad as every one says it does, then why do they wan to hunt here anyways??

To generate the same amount of revenue he combo license would be raised to $37.22, a difference of $7.22

General Deer would be raised to $64.22, a differnce of $29.22

LE deer would be raised to $171.98, a differnce of $96.98

I don't like the thought of having to increase tag fees, etc... but if that means I get to hunt every year then I will pay it. really its not that much of an increase when you factor in just how much we all spend every year.

Non residents can have any left over tags as well, which would result in an overall increase in revenue for the state...

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[idhunters]

So you are saying that there are exactly 87000 residents that want to hunt deer every year, and 8700 of them are getting screwed out of a tag by the non-residents? And if you just got rid of the non-residents then EVERYONE that wanted to hunt would get to?

You know I apply for Utah as a non-resident, and I have bought a hunting license from your state and paid my draw fees for the last 6 or 7 years and have never once gone hunting there or held an actual tag. Your idea would wipe that revenue out.

But hey its your state, do whatever works for you. Seriously, make it happen, if it works maybe Idaho, WY, CO, MT, NV can all do the same thing. It would save me a ton of money.

 

[eldorado]

Utah could cut further NR tags if they wish but they will never be able to recoup the significant revenues that NR bring to the local economies with their purchases.

Eldorado

 

[bragabit]

Lottery, and maybe some sort of gambling. That would help every agency out statewide. Might shut down Wendover, Mesquite and some Idaho border towns. Would keep money spent by Utah people in our state.

 

[piper]

nonresidents aren't the ones that have pounded the general deer herds to death,they give much more money than they take in value compared to residents, they are less than 10% of overall hunters, and they bring out of state money to businesses in Utah. What a selfish greedy proposal.

 

[sageadvice]

That's a great idea! Utah should keep any deer there for themselves! Very Typical Utard theory!

The National Forests and BLM lands should only be for residents as well. Maybe they should block off and screen all the highway entry points and guard the borders from non-resi's coming in to fish or bird hunt too!.

Of course in fair play, Utah guys shouldn't then be able to hunt Wy, Colo, Nev,... I'd be more than glad to make that trade! Keep your deer, i don't and wouldn't hunt there again on a bet anyway!

Joey


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[nontypical]

Ever hear this saying?-It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.That's 3 million bucks you want to take away from your UDNR.Brilliant idea.

 

[travishunter3006]

sageadvice, since you will never hunt Utah, shut up.

If your opporunity to hunt was being cut, the first people to take it should be those that don't live here...

And for those of you that can't read, the tag fee increases would make up for the non resident revenue loss.

plus you guys could come in and have left over tags.

Look at North Dakota (or South) that had a hard winter and have that blue tongue or some other disease rolling through.. they cut non res tags by 50%. If someone is gong to take a cut it should be the non residents first.


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[piper]

If you do make cuts, the nonresident quota will be cut by the same percentage, as it should be, 10% is still 10%

 

[travishunter3006]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 12:58PM (MST)[p]piper,

they will cut tags at the same %? my original post has nothing to do with greed. thats why I called it food for thought. More than a proposal or an idea of how to "fix Utah's deer herds", it was meant to show what would happen if we lost non resident's revenue.


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[sageadvice]

Mr wants it all for himself said, "sageadvice, since you will never hunt Utah, shut up."

And the main reason i won't hunt Utah any longer is because of an abundance of brain dead, self centered, a$$holes running around just like you! My response was not for me or my own hunting bright guy, it was for all the others that you propose to exclude!

I'll shut it when i want dumb-a$$. What are you gonna do, threaten to pull your gun and cuff me again? Utah's Finest huh? Sad state of affairs!!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

 

[travishunter3006]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 04:05PM (MST)[p]sageboy,

I'm glad you don't want to hunt Utah. With less and less out of staters like you I think Utah has a good chance of rebounding.


Its not worth arguing with a tough guy like you.

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[PleaseDear]

Travis---you have to quit being so damn disrespectful.

Did you not want intel as a non-ressy in Wyo for deer?

We ALL are non-ressy's in every freakin' state but one.

You do not gain from screwing out our fellow hunters just because they live across a state border.

I cherish sharing with fellow hunters from other states across our nation.

Think it thru young fella---think it thru...

Robb

 

[sageadvice]

Mr Utah Law Enforcement says, "Its not worth arguing with a tough guy like you."

I'm not so tough anymore, i just don't fear either your lack of intelligence or your threats!

I liked what nontypical said about you, "Ever hear this saying?-It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt... "

Try thinking and doing for others beside yourself. That will do more for Utah wildlife, than guys like me coming to hunt ever would.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

 

[one_dryboot]

I hate to break it to you but non-resident hate happens in all states not just utah. If you dont see it your blind! seems like every state is thinking of residents first. Look at wyoming and the wilderness law, NM and the non res tag cuts they just made and on and on and on.

 

[COHunter]

>I hate to break it to
>you but non-resident hate happens
>in all states not just
>utah. If you dont
>see it your blind!
>seems like every state is
>thinking of residents first.
>Look at wyoming and the
>wilderness law, NM and the
>non res tag cuts they
>just made and on and
>on and on.


Not in Colorado, here we're (residents) hated and all the love goes to the nonresident

 

[one_dryboot]

Ok colorado is the one exception and thats why I hunt colorado every year!

 

[sageadvice]

Kali too! I can't tell you how many guys i've helped come out here to get a Blacktail or a Bear. Boot, if you're interested, i can hook you up!!

We have guys all over the state hosting guys from Utah and other States, not only in big game but duck, fishing, or just visiting.

Travis wants to hunt Wyoming but thinks Utah should be for residents only... unless there is leftover tags. If you agree with that...

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

 

[eldorado]

Travis,

Any thought about recouping the millions of dollars that would be lost with fewer NR purchasing goods and services in your state? I doubt the Chamber of Commerce and the UDWR would be in favor of such a proposal.

Eldorado

 

[one_dryboot]

I think we can all agree there are great people in every state that will go out of their way to help anyone res or non res. and on the flip side every state has those that think its for them only.
I dont think cutting non res. tags is the answer to helping the herds. everyone must do their part no matter who we are or it wont work.

 

[travishunter3006]

First off, sage advice go choke a goat. Second, does nobody understand food for thought? I'm not for tag cuts at all. All I said was non residents should get the first cuts. Anyone mad that one of the dakotas cuts non res tags in half? No because even though it sucks, that's a perk of hunting in your state.

I have non res friends and family who I love hunting with and wouldn't choose to end that. BUT if it came to it, wouldn't you be upset that nonres's hunt and you dont?

I appreciate the Wyoming info I have been given, this thread turned south because tough guy sage doesn't like me, that's ok, I don't need his approval.

This wasn't meant to be an anti non res thread, just a FOOD FOR THOUGHT thread. That's why I posted up what fee increases would be if we lost non res funds.

Some of you guys need to find something other to do than jump all over me just because you are too ignorant to hear someone else's thought, idea or opinion.

But since the MM dirty doWn is going to start the beatings, go ahead.




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[sageadvice]

Nice Travis! Best you can intelligently respond to my questions is, "sage advice go choke a goat" LMAO!!

Then going back to the top, you said, "If we need tag cuts I think non residents should be the first ones to take the cuts. They can hunt their own state an IF it sucks as bad as every one says it does, then why do they wan to hunt here anyways??"

Food for thought? Yeah, Right!! LOL

Good luck here in your thread, i'll leave you be.

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

 

[nontypical]

We heard your opinion.We gave you ours.

 

[piper]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 06:53PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 06:52?PM (MST)

Cutting nonresident tags any lower than the current 10% is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, here are a couple, 10% is about average for the western states, Wyoming and Colorado give more, Oregon and New Mexico give less but its a pretty good average, secondly many nonresidents have thousands of dollars invested in bonus- preference points already, and doing that would be very unfair to them, and it would be unfair to businesses that have traditionally served those people. Cutting numbers from the nonresident quota would have a minimal effect on deer herds and especially mature bucks, as nonresident general season hunters probably take very few of those anyway. I haven't drawn an antelope tag in Wyoming for the last two years despite the fact that thousands of nonresidents have, I don't get upset at all over that fact.

 

[travishunter3006]

That makes sense Piper. I see what you are talking about non res's not having an effect on total deer numbers.



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[theox]

Im sorry but that is just ignorant as he77. lets make hunting more expensive and cut out non res that pay lots of money to hunt here.

Travis i gotta better idea why dont you move to new mexico where they just bent the nr over like you wanna do to utah nr

I enjoy hunting out of state and dont think you should be penalized for it they pay there dues to hunt here. get over it travis if we have to cut tags its gonna be res and nr being cut not just NR.

I hate when people get that dang selfish. if you dont draw a deer tag suck it up for a year and hunt open bull elk or spike elk, or hunt out of state that year. it sucks not getting a tag but thats how it goes when demand outweighs supply.

cutting nr out is not gonna help our deer herd one bit by the way.

 

[theox]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-12 AT 10:14PM (MST)[p]deleted

 

[Elitehoghunter]

WOW hopefully Thunter grows up and realizes that non residents are an asset not a liability. Hell I live in utah and if I had to choose a state to hunt Utah would be third or fourth on the list.

 

[travishunter3006]

Theox,
This wasn't meant to be anti non res. I apologize that it came off that way.


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[sageadvice]

theox, i've been there done that, no thanks! As far as my remarks toward Utah, i've seriously been trying to be better. sent pm!

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

 

[3blade]

does this mean I can get a refund on the double property tax I pay for the house I own in Utah too? Hot damn, that would be nice.

All aside though, in spite of owning a home in southern Utah I am not a resident. But I do hunt the state every yr if I can as a non resident. In the last 4 yrs I have shot 2 bucks and no elk so I have had very little impact on the herds. I generally spend a month doing this. In the process I by a lot of gas and groceries so I spend far more than the license and tag fees. If I couldn't come up and hunt then I'd go somewhere else and take my money with me.

I'd still come up like I always do for some r&r and do some fishing but not during hunting season thats for sure. I spend far less on fishing than I do hunting so all those local businesses would lose some money. I usually bring my food with me in an ice chest and through it in the fridge when I get there. The only thing I buy in that week locally is a tank of gas when I leave.

The thing is, I'm just one guy, my money is green as anyone elses and I'm not afraid to spend it doing the thing I enjoy the most. If you throw us all out, you guys will lose more money than just the tags fees, thats for sure.

 

[travishunter3006]

utah made 95 billion dollars last year... If every no res that hunted spent $1000 in utah during a hunt that would mean $9,000,000 put into our local economy... or .000009736% of utah's income.

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[3blade]

9 mill is pocket change so I guess we don't matter then.

 

[theox]

Travis how can you say your not being anti non res? with comments like this>??? you could probably make a great politician by the way.

There are many small towns that can greatly benefit from non res hunters... that 9 mil could have went to towns that the hunts boosted the town economy by 50 percent for the year! there are a lot of communities that count on hunting season non res and res hunters. cutting out non residents will not help anyone in anyway. 8000 tags more would still leave residents without tags, so its really not that big of a deal we have over the counter hunt options. granted they are not the best hunts but they can still be fun

 

[buglinbilly]

Cutting non resident permits is perhaps the shallowest thinking idea I have heard in a long time. Perhaps if we need more income, the thing to do is to increase the number of non resident permits and cut more resident tags. That way we could end up with more revenue and less hunters!

But in reality, if we cut tags, or raise fees, we all should share in the good or bad of it. And I am sure that is the way it will be done.

I for one am thankful for the non residents that hunt Utah and for the surrounding states that allow me a chance to hunt their states. I really think most hunters feel that way. At least I hope they do.

Have a good one. BB

 

[travishunter3006]

since thy are cutting tags any ways, i guess it doesnt matter who gets cut.



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[Elitehoghunter]

+1 BB!