Trail Cams

[desertjunkie]

I find it very hard to stomach all the bucks that are being killed by using TRAIL CAMS. I also wonder when B&C will not let these deer in since it really is not fair chase. Just wondering what everybodies thoughts are. I personlly would like them outlawed and bring deer hunting back to fair chase hunting

 

[COarrowchucker]

Trail cams are just a part of scouting, its still fair chase. You never know if the animals you catch on camera will ever show up again. I personally think trail cams are a great idea, have a couple myself...

 

[TOPGUN]

What the OP has suggested would be impossible to enforce. I don't have any and don't intend to ever buy any for the way I hunt. If we started making everything illegal that some people don't like, where would it stop? Would we go back to spears and hunting in a loincloth?

 

[BIGJOHNT]

Trail cameras can have more then one purpose . Like protecting your gear.
Here is a picture of a cowboy with my blind accross his saddle horn. I have three pictures of him coming in and three pictures of him leaving with a double bull blind all packed up on the front of his saddle.

I zoomed in on the picture up so we could see him better !
We also keep them around our place to see who's coming around. During the hunting season we also see elk and deer. In other words we use these cameras all year long and not just for hunting.

 

[smalltownkid]

Thats pretty messed up did you ever catch the cowboy?
Back to the original topic. That is not a good point at all. Trailcams help some but if you have enough dedication to have a trailcam out then you would be able to do it without almost as well. Also some of the very coolest pictures of animals come from trailcams.

 

[Mutley]

I think maybe the OP is bringing up the technology issue. If I'm off base let me know. We all have to admit hunting in general isn't what it was when our grandfathers hunted 50 years ago.

Taking a shot over 300 yds was unheard of.
bows that can shoot accurately past 30-40 yds was not plausible.

I could go on and on. The glass we use, trail cams, the parties, and guides all looking for one particular animal for one tag holder.

We all have to admit the success rates these days have got to have something to do with not having the number of animals to hunt our grandfathers did.

We most surely have an unfair advantage compared to the early hunters.

 

[teamhoyt]

Yes we do like driving to our hunting spot instead of riding a mammath and using a gun instead of chasing them off of a cliff.

 

[NVHNTR]

In areas where water sources and habitat are limited i.e. the strip and another popular area in southern Nevada these bucks become highly vulnerable.
As soon as the posse figures out what area these bucks are living in, it's only a matter of time.
Although, they will probably never outlaw them. They could possibly limit there use by keeping them 200' from a water source (just an example).
I have seen water holes where there have been up th 3 cameras on them.
Can you imagine the flashes and ir lights going off at night when most of these bucks are coming to water.
Eventually a line in the sand has to be drawn on technology as far as hunting is concerned!!!

 

[desertjunkie]

All i know that agree with what has come up. The pictures are great , we catch dirtbags is even better. But the biggest deer have been taken since the use of trail cams came into use. Sampson, houdiny. Just 2 out of many from the strip.

 

[never_catch]

Just what we need...another azzhole telling me what I can and can't do!! F off!!

~Z~

 

[never_catch]

>All i know that agree with
>what has come up.
>The pictures are great ,
>we catch dirtbags is even
>better. But the biggest deer
>have been taken since the
>use of trail cams came
>into use. Sampson, houdiny. Just
>2 out of many from
>the strip.

And you gaf why??

~Z~

 

[desertjunkie]

Im not telling u what u can or cannot do. Just asking opions.
But some cannot reply with intelligents so it is always f*#// off. Wow u shoulld have stayed in school .The 200 yrd rule is great but how do u regulate . It rall.falls back onto ones own morals and standard off conduct.

 

[never_catch]

Don't talk to me about school dumbass!! You can't even insert a period or comma in the correct place!! Once again, F off!!

~Z~

 

[Castnshoot]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-12 AT 11:55AM (MST)[p]You will soon have to pay a fee and register any trail camera that is left unattended on federal property.

Each camera will have a microchip super glued to it.
Taking a unregistered camera will not be considered theft.

You will be able to pay for your permits at any BLM or Forrest Service office. $20.00 yearly, per camera. Good from the first of the year to the first of the year.

 

[tabbyhntr]

Lmao! Desertjunkie is telling Z to stay in school??? Really? Dude you ever heard of spellcheck???

 

[tabbyhntr]

Very few deer that get caught on trailcams actually get killed so to outlaw it is just ridiculous...

 

[Castnshoot]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-12 AT 12:36PM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-12
>AT 11:55?AM (MST)
>
>You will soon have to pay
>a fee and register any
>trail camera that is left
>unattended on federal property.
>
>Each camera will have a microchip
>super glued to it.
>Taking a unregistered camera will not
>be considered theft.
>
>You will be able to pay
>for your permits at any
>BLM or Forrest Service office.
>$20.00 yearly, per camera. Good
>from the first of the
>year to the first of
>the year.

This is going into effect for "environmental" reasons.
Apparently people are just tossing there old batteries into the brush. The fee is just to off set the cost of the regulation.

 

[DidIDraw]

Very difficult to enforce but an interesting idea. I suspect that this logic could be expanded to include ultra long-range rifles, range finders, $3,000 optics, 300 yard muzzle loaders, 350 fps bows, large groups of friends/guides sitting on a animal for one hunter, etc., etc. Lots of people are passionate about hunting and that has created a large market for better hunting 'tools' and methods.

I certainly have spent my fair share on better 'tools' so I'd be a hypocrite to put others down. However, the irony in this whole thing is that it will lead to fewer opportunities for us to hunt. Tag numbers will have to decrease because we will simply be too successful as hunters. Tags are not only harder and harder to draw but the cost is also increasing dramatically (this in turn encourages hunters to work all the much harder to fill a tag because the opportunities are fewer and the costs higher). I feel badly for the young hunters that will be priced right out of the market for quality hunts or have to wait 10-20 years between quality tags.

Just my $0.02.

 

[REDDOG]

I stayed in school and got lots of intelligents.

 

[NVHNTR]

This is a state by state issue. Game cameras in Colorado may not be as big of a detriment to big bucks like Arizona and Nevada, where water is limited.

These states need to stay a head of the curve. I have found bait piles near waterholes that have game cameras on them. Some hunters and outfitters are starting haul there own water and create there own secret waterhole and set cameras.

Money and or the drive to kill big bucks will push the limits on ethics and fair chase. No one is immune !!!

 

[desertjunkie]

Ok I deserve the general criticism about the spelling but u do what u can when u have learning disabilities.
Another point that I was thinking about is all of the Guys on here continually bashing the hordes of guides that follow the biggest and best animals Yr after Yr.
My point is what is the difference between Doyle M and all his guides and helpers, versus 1 guy with 25+ cameras. I don't see much diff.

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FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:




1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

 

[Gator]

Water holes cams, THE DEER ARE STILL GOING TO USE THE WATERHOLE.
does it matter if you are seeing tracks or a picture of the deer that made the tracks, to me it doesn't make a different.
If it hot and you sit on water for 10 days you will see a good buck IMO.

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[nfh]

100 guys and 100 ways to scout. i keep my trail cam on my riverbottom land to see you who is tresspassing and the game i got wondering around. i mostly got it cause we found some mountain lion tracks and been trying to get pictures of the cat. i know in montana they have regs on cams for certain times of the year

 

[BIGJOHNT]

Yep got the blind back ! That is a cell phone picture of my computer screen after I zoomed in on my trail cam photo. That s why it looks grainy. I have it set on 5 megs photos.

 

[elkun]

tabbyhntr. i think your statement is wrong, a 100%'. just ask your outfitter buds,like mossy,,,i think trial cams should be pulled 48 hours befor hunts start,. just like air craft. you could still have fun all year with out killing every thing..

 

[coyote456]

I also think trail cameras are a great way to scout when you have a job that keeps u working 60 hours a week its hard to get out. But i do have a problem with people who put there cameras out 2 months before the hunt on a water whole just to save it. I've run into this problem every year and have actual encounters with guys who r checking the camera and i walk into the area and just about get my head ripped off telling me hes been scouting the area for months sorry to get off the topic. haha

 

[SanJuan]

To me there is a big difference between trail camera/posse hunting and good optics.

At least the hunter is present when hunting/scouting with good glass.

The mountains, not the hills.

 

[tx_packmule]

Would rather folks hold out for a good deer they have on cam instead of shooting the first dink they see bc they don't know any better.

 

[1azbowhunter]

there is a HUGE difference from a picture of a big buck and getting an arrow/bullet through it!

 

[MTQuivers]

People that think trail cameras are an unfair advantage have probably never used one. I have thousands of trail cam pictures and I have ONLY killed one animal that I had pictures of (black bear in Idaho). Not as easy as you think and some people just do it for fun. Going to check a trail cam for new pictures is like Christmas morning for some. You need to understand placing trail cams you have 24 hour survailence but that does not mean you are going to be there 24 hours per day. Most of the time you must put in your time in the stand or in a blind to have a trail cam do any good.

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[azdogman]

Where do you draw the line? I can just as easily say more deer have been killed since range finders came out. Or compound bows, or everything else that has improved over the years. I love trail cams. Its exciting to check them and see what you have on there. It does help kill more stuff im sure but so does alot of things. Who are you or anyone else to say what we should use and what not to use.

 

[carterj16]

I have trail cameras that I set up in the river bottoms for whitetails. they are fun to see all the deer, I dont even hunt whitetais. i have never used them for mulies or elk just becasue its a longer drive to check on them and put in new cards. There fun to use

 

[AZMIGHTYMULIES]

+1 . I like exactly what AZdogman has said !!! Over the past 4 years I've used trail cameras on the Arizona Strip . All I was using them for is for fun !!! The only thing that has been killed that came from utilizing my cameras was a feral pig . Something I brought up to the Game/unit manager on 13B . By utilizing these Cameras, gives the hunter/guide ideas or prospect bucks to go after . Whether you're being Guided or not does not matter . Getting a picture of a mature giant buck gives the hunter hope for that giant buck of a lifetime , which in turn persuades the hunter to pass on the smaller bucks . This then allows a lot more bucks to mature and buck #'s to go up . Ya, you may have got that buck on camera, but it's still a pain in the a$$ to locate and harvest that buck . I know of 9 240+ bucks that have eluded hunters this year alone. Like I said, you may get them on camera, but it does not mean you're gonna kill that buck .

 

[Deuce]

Using trail cams is still fair chase, they only let you know what is in the area you are hunting. They do not ensure you kill any particular buck. I do not use them myself, I still enjoy seeing the pics though.

 

[Foxskinner]

I don't see how they are unfair. A lot of the time, a buck will change his habits when he goes hard horned or when the rut gets closer. You might have Velvet photos of him but never see him during season. I agree that it is just another form of scouting. It is no different than me going and watching a buck for a week before season and then killing him opening morning. Either way, you still have to hunt the buck and we all know that hunting is never guaranteed.

 

[travishunter3006]

This is what kept me from shooting the first buck I saw this year.

I'm not a Monster Muley taker by any means and I enjoy hunting and killing a deer every year. Some will disagree with that and others will respect my opinion of hunting.

Ihunted him for 3 weeks and got screwed a bunch of times but did ended up killing his little brother about the 3rd week of the bow hunt.

I believe that by seeing that there are great bucks in places where I hunt is a betterment to the area and not a negetive as you have put it. I was able to hunt a lot longer knowing I had the chance of seeing and sticking a great buck.


By the way.. he is gonna drop this week and I'm going to find his sheds! Hooray!

 

[longshooter338]

Last time i set up my cameras there wasn't a magazine for my bullets, And last i checked the last camera that killed a buck was ooh yeah, never!!!

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[AZHunter4life]

I am personally not a fan of them. Not that I have never used them but I would like to see some sort of regulation in regards to them. I just think when you pull up on a water catchment and see the picture that I took below then we are definitly to the point where it might be a tad bit out of hand. This was during the AZ strip hunt. To each is his own, and everyone has different opinions which does not make them wrong just personally I would be ok with them going away. I would say I am probably in the minority on this issue though and do believe that most hunters have grown rather attached to them and using them as a tool in taking big game. p.s. yes there are 8 cameras on that water and a few days prior there were 11.

 

[blaked008]

AZhunter4life was this just a hot spot or was this how all the catches look like out there? That's pretty wild. Didn't know that many people ran cameras out there.

 

[AZMIGHTYMULIES]

That specific location is very popular and well known now ever since Muley Crazy harvested the buck they had dubbed "Fifty". This is only one water hole out of over 100. There are several water catchments that did not have a single camera on them . I covered about 90% of the water holes this past season, and there was maybe 4 or 5 locations that had 5 to 6 cameras on them at the most . You're well known Guides will of course have a camera covered on a water hole . The only reason that specific location had so many cameras on it is because it is easy to find and get too for those DYI hunters whom also have a camera or 2 to use .

 

[Castnshoot]

Under the new regulations being considered the photo with 8 cameras on it would bring in $160.00.

About half the trailcam photos I see are using bait. Is there any health issues for the deer? Like how does some of this stuff guys are using for bait effect a pregnant doe?

 

[AZHunter4life]

Most locations have less cameras....I have heard of some having up to 14 at one time but 11 is the most I have seen myself. Yes this is a very popular location however there are many locations with 3-6 cameras and very few that do not have at least one camera present for a large majority of the time.