Pauns Expo Tag

_gloomis

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My hunting buddy drew the muzzy deer tag on the Paunsaugunt this year. I will be helping him out on this hunt so the first place I'll start my researce is on MM.

Anybody have information regarding this hunt that are willing to share? We will be scouting the unit this summer since we have no knowledge of it yet. It would be great if anyone can give us a general area to start our scouting.

Thanks
_gloomis
 
There were no bucks (hardly any deer in general) up high last year by the start of the muzzy hunt. They had mostly migrated off the top. It was a strange year with the spring weather we had. Even in early july there were not that many deer on top.

My advice is to scout the lower country pre season, not for deer but for camping spots ect. Get maps and learn what is private and not private, learn the road/access. The deer could be gone off of the top again this year by the muzzy hunt so be prepared-I learned this lesson the hard way. Everyone I takled to including one of the most prominent deer guides in So. Utah and even the local biologist said the deer would be on top until the second week of October-they were wrong.
 
Good advice. we will be planning scouting trips this summer. we want to be familiar with the country as much as possible.

Thanks for you input
 
I'm not sure where everyone was hunting last year, but I was on the unit for the management hunt. There were plenty of bucks above the white's. When the locals tell you the bucks move at the same time every year they are correct ninty nine out of one hundred years. In my opinion...
 
Conch, What you say is partially correct. We hunted there the first year they re-opened the season years ago. The deer stayed high until right before the rifle hunt (approx.October 21st) and if fact I hunted there in the late 50's. We went back the second, then the third, and so on, each year to take pictures. The deer stayed higher, later back then. As the season's went on the deer seemed to somewhat adapt to the pressure. Snow accumulation did have a bearing on their movement.

who's to say that these recent changes in the hunting seasons will not and has not changed their habits and will do so in the future.

I have to laugh at those in our valley who remember back to the good old days. They comment how all of the deer were always in the high country until the last week of the rifle season. That was the day before the archers, MLoaders, and elk hunters. Now they push a lot of them down to the foothills and fields before the rifle season starts. We certainly know that predators whether two or four legged kind change habits don't we?
 
What is the private property situation like? I assume there is more private at lower elevation vs. higher up. Whats the best access to this unit (coming from the north)?
 
Cannonball,
How old are you? Lol!!! Heck you might be older than me from what I'm reading. Anyway, I agree with your thoughts for the most part. The constant pressure from hunting, scouting and just excessive activity has changed the habits of the Pauns mule deer. My perspective is usually in general. Sometimes I think the deer may appear to have headed south, when all they really did is become nocturnal. There is always an exception. It's my experience that many deer live year round in the lower elevations and in all reality only move 10 miles or less when they actually "move." These references are in regards to deer on the west side. Approximately half the herd heads for the Kaibab side, now that would be more like a fifty mile track. A great rule of thumb is to watch for a hard freeze on the higher elevations. This will move the deer regardless of weather. And for the record this only applies to the Pauns. The Kaibab is a completely different story.
I stand by my observations.
 
I'm to old to talk about. Most of my friends have all quit hunting, now they just fish, all except ol' Lumpy. I can tell you that I hunted the Pauns in 1958, then my wife drew the first year it re-opened and our family has either scouted or hunted it to many times to count and I'm still learning. Love the unit and expect to be there the next three years with kids with 10, 12, and 14 bonus points.

I do agree with what you are saying and the only thing I could advise those with a permit is that each year it changes. Most of these deer migrate quite a distance. I hunted the late ML hunt in 2008 and one day they (big buck) were almost impossible to find, it snowed and the next day they showed up in the rut. Then I hunted the management hunt in 2011 and they were everywhere, somewhat different than the year before in the same area. I have seen years back when the majority of deer stopped for a while in Nephi Pasture and then they started just passing on through. During the early years I hunted the top a lot and helped a friend from Washington. He shot the deer later on in the hunt which I told him not to shoot because it was too small. He won the State of Washington deer contest with that deer because they allowed any deer from any state. It was shot during the late October hunt on the top plateau. Another year hunting on top during the rifle hunt, which I might add, we were blocked from going through the road by one of the main local guides, and was chasing a deer that turned out to to 37" wide. Some fellows from Ogden eventually ended up with that deer.

My son should draw this year - - could be an another interesting year.
 
Good luck with the draw. Some great bucks carried over and just might make it past the guru's. Some how they were able to slip through last year. So maybe they have a secret hiddy spot.
 
As Conch said a lot of the deer are away from the roads after the archers have had a crack at them, but a lot of them will be there. The picture has changed a lot over the last few years. I love my RZR, but lets face it ATV's are keeping the deer away from the roads more every year. My advice to anyone is to take some time off work several days in advance of the hunt, scout high and shoot fast. One thing I would say - I have hunted Elk Ridge twice and those deer are so tame they moo, not so with the Pauns deer until during the rut. Don't get me wrong there will be buck in the middle elevations, but spread out and hard to find.
 
I have gathered some good information from fellow MMers that is consistently on the north end of the unit. How is the south end of the unit near Kanab and the AZ boarder?

We will be heading down on the unit next month so I'm trying to gather as much info of this unit as possible.

Thanks to those of you who have been willing to share valuable information.
 

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