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Anyone hear about the heap of trouble they are in? Probably with some donations and the big pockets it will all go away quietly.
 
Well cant!

One of em is in trouble for a Stunt not far from your neck of the woods!


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STTM that is the stunt I know about. Wondering how it will all play out, seems like there is always a fall guy for the rich.
 
the elk prolly didn't care.....



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i know alot about what is goin on but a person cannot say anything about it until its done....you all know that. let me just say this, some people there made a poor decision and may need to be responsible for their actions as we all should. as far as looking at the whole thing as a CHRISTENSEN ARMS problem it really is a black eye for them because of what thier employees have done. The christensen family has very high standards and cares for there employees, i do work for them. I am worried about the black eye this will give them for there employees actions. I hope that people will look at this more to the individuals involved and not christensen arms or the family. there is alot of good hard devoted people that work there and i am concerned for them. I hope you all can see and understand my point and we live in a small community and rumors get so out of far out of bounds from the real issue. That said we all have to pay up and be responsible for our decisions and if we make a wrong one its your fault.........thanks.
 
These worthless "I have a secret, I can't tell but lets gossip" threads are worthless and should be killed. If you don't have the balls to post what happened don't waste your time.
 
This society judges way too quick.. Don't know certain things and I can't say either way what happened. We just sit and wait. I really hope it turns out good. Who knows like I said its only the person responsible not the whole company.everybody wants answers now, the only people that know what really happened is those that were there.????
 
I'm absolutely positive nobody on here has ever done anything wrong. Not getting caught doesn't make it right. Hopefully, with our stupid mistakes we make through our lives, we become better people and better sportsmen. I've learned quite a bit over the years, and yes, that means I've made a bunch of stupid mistakes and choices that I wish I could take back.
 
For the love. Somebody nuke this before any more time is wasted reading a story about a possible story that somebody knows details but nobody can give any details on yet other than they know there are some details.

Great post. Almost as invigorating as my run-on sentence there.
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I heard they blocked roads, then flew in on an ultra light and shot an elk outside of their unit with a Best of The West gun!

Traditional >>>------->
 
OK, I too just wasted a couple minutes on this crudd....Pretty proud of thier guns$$$$ and the magazine they now took over isn't the best either...Ruger, Remington,Winchester and Browning, and Savage all make better rifle out of the box and Eastmans Journals and Muley Crazy are still the best magazines offered...just my opinion , but they are just like buttt wholes, everybody has em...
 
1911, that post was great and really got me chuckling... lol needed that with only 35 minutes left in the work day!

Mike
 
>For the love. Somebody nuke
>this before any more time
>is wasted reading a story
>about a possible story that
>somebody knows details but nobody
>can give any details on
>yet other than they know
>there are some details.
>
>Great post. Almost as invigorating
>as my run-on sentence there.
>
>
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""">Great post. Almost as invigorating
>as my run-on sentence there."""

There is a preposition. How many times do I have to tell you the same thing you dork. DO NOT END A SENTENCE WITH A PREPOSITION!!!







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Why nuke it, MAYBE some-one will post that they heard from their 2nd cousin friend that something happen.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
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>Well, their rifles suck azz.... maybe
>this is like when a
>celebrity makes a sex tape?
>
LMAO

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What jumps out at me on that link is that fact that Monticello has a huge controlled substance problem. Over half of those names are dealers.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
>What jumps out at me on
>that link is that fact
>that Monticello has a huge
>controlled substance problem. Over
>half of those names are
>dealers.
>
>
>It's always an adventure!!!


Good eye AWLB. Serious drug problem in paradise should of been the lead in title to this thread.

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I thought it was pretty ignorant when they aired the show of Mogle hunting in Colorado and not wearing his required orange.
 
A better title would be obfuscation at its finest. If you can't get the topic nuked you then try to detract from it by pointing out the obvious drug problems that are a plague state and nationwide!
 
had a job every hunter in the state wants, and like darnner and others,.he got greedy'. whos next? staying at the top comes with a price.
 
so...WTF is this all about? how useless can this thread be? Did Mogle do something or not? Innocent until proven guilty so let's hear it already? I keep clicking back to this thread hoping somone has said something of value.

Who has the scoop and more so the balls to put it on here already? Let's hear it.
 
I already posted it, if you guys can read, they shot a buck on the wrong unit, he had a CWMU tag and shot the buck on the wrong side of the fence. Used others to help try and push the deer on the unit and still shot it off of the unit. If it hasn't been removed from their website go watch Johns mule deer hunt in monticello and you can watch it all for yourself.
 
Where does it say he shot it on the wrong side of the fence? I didn't see John's name anywhere in the court documents. Did I miss it?

I'm glad he got a good one. Great buck!
 
I am confused as well as the cited court documents indicate the charge was for "wanton destruction of protected wildlife". Did they not recover the buck because it was on the wrong side of the fence or something? Also, in addition to Mogle there were 3 others charged for the same infraction. Are they all part of the same case or unrelated?

I also wondered why they would make a DVD of them shooting deer in Colorado without the required orange camo. To my knowledge, there is no scenario whereby one can hunt in Colorao without a hunter orange on the body and on your head during the rifle season even when hunting on private land. I often wondered if they ever got in trouble for this because someone from CDOW watched the DVD...

Horniac
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-12 AT 10:59PM (MST)[p]

If you kill an animal in the wrong unit, it is the same as poaching. If they did not have a valid tag for the unit they kill it in, they call it wanton destruction of protected wildlife or poaching. It doesn't mean they left the deer to rot, but they violated game laws to kill the animal.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-17-12
>AT 10:59?PM (MST)
>
>
>
> If you kill an animal
>in the wrong unit,
>it is the same as
>poaching. If they did not
>have a valid tag for
>the unit they kill it
>in, they call it
>wanton destruction of protected wildlife
>or poaching. It
>doesn't mean they left the
>deer to rot, but they
>violated game laws to kill
>the animal.

+1. If convicted, they will likely be Wildlife Violator Compacted out of hunting the Western states for at least 5 years--will be tough to make a tv show.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-12 AT 12:58PM (MST)[p]If they're that stupid making shows in Colorado without wearing the required hunter orange and now they've pulled that crap, they deserve to lose their licenses in 30+ states for a long time. To he** with their LR show too!!!

ADDENDUM: I just checked the CO requirements and it is 500 square inches of hunter orange above the waist, including a head covering visible from all directione. I just went to their website and this John Mogle guy didn't have an orange hat on during the entire DVD, including when he shot his mule deer on camera at the 12 minute mark. If he didn't get cited for it by CDOW, he should be and the proof is still right there on the website. Pretty dumb IMO!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-18-12 AT 01:12PM (MST)[p]
Does it say anything about not having to wear orange on private land????????
 
Cut & Paste from the Regulations Brochure:

"HUNTERS MUST WEAR DAYLIGHT FLUORESCENT ORANGE
It is a legal requirement for hunters to wear at least 500 square inches of solid daylight fluorescent orange material in an outer garment above the waist while hunting deer, elk, pronghorn, bear or moose with any firearm license. Part of the fluorescent orange must be a hat or head covering visible from all directions. This includes archery hunters who hunt during rifle season. If using a ground blind or pop-up blind, hunters should display orange that is visible from all directions on the outside of the blind.

Camouflage orange does not qualify. Mesh garments are legal but not recommended. CPW strongly recommends wearing daylight fluorescent orange clothes in the field, even if you're not hunting. Wearing orange is for hunter safety, big-game animals don't see orange like we do. Movement, sound and smell are what give hunters away. Archers hunting during a limited bear season or archers hunting with an archery bear, deer, elk, pronghorn, or moose license do not have to wear fluorescent orange."
 
cantkill...

I can read fine, but your first post said "rumors and speculation of killing a buck outside a CWMU boundary". Not something I took as gospel.

Now we are finally getting some details of what went on. Sad to see these guys make a poor decision like this. I respect what they do for a living and what they are passionate about and this surely hurts. I'll admit I've found myself in a bad place before without knowing it and I got my hands slapped pretty good for it. I make DARN sure that before I pull a trigger I know where a public/private boundary is, no execuses. You just can't risk it anymore and we have too many tools (GPS and ownership maps loaded on them) that make it easy to be safe when it comes to boundaries.

I'd bet that no amount of good footage is worth losing hunting privleges IF they do lose them. They may not depending on how the hearing on this pans out. Either way, you have to be sure and know before you pull the trigger. Just like knowing if your animal is legal (pt restrictions, sex, full curl, etc) before you shoot.

Will be interesting to see who this pans out.
 
>A better title would be obfuscation
>at its finest. If
>you can't get the topic
>nuked you then try to
>detract from it by pointing
>out the obvious drug problems
>that are a plague state
>and nationwide!


Put your pants back on Elroy. I was simply pointing out that as of the time of post we had just as much information on drug court as we did regarding the OP here. I think you're just trying to detract from the local meth problem by pointing your fingers at less obvious poaching problems. How's that for the old switch-a-roo. With the lack of details nobody needed to obfuscate anything. Good grief.

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Pants are squarely on. Just making an observation. Wow I better stop typing due to my head spinning from that brilliant switch-roo :) p.s. classic working in The Jetsons and Charlie Brown references.
 
>i know alot about what is
>goin on but a person
>cannot say anything about it
>until its done....you all know
>that. let me just say
>this, some people there made
>a poor decision and may
>need to be responsible for
>their actions as we all
>should. as far as
>looking at the whole thing
>as a CHRISTENSEN ARMS problem
>it really is a black
>eye for them because of
>what thier employees have done.
> The christensen family has
>very high standards and cares
>for there employees, i do
>work for them. I
>am worried about the black
>eye this will give them
>for there employees actions. I
>hope that people will look
>at this more to the
>individuals involved and not christensen
>arms or the family. there
>is alot of good hard
>devoted people that work there
>and i am concerned for
>them. I hope you
>all can see and understand
>my point and we live
>in a small community and
>rumors get so out of
>far out of bounds from
>the real issue. That said
>we all have to pay
>up and be responsible for
>our decisions and if we
>make a wrong one its
>your fault.........thanks.

Is this the reason Mogel was demoted to VP from President??
 
Who's got pic's of the buck(s) taken? Post em up!!

Don't know about the rest of you guys but i'd like to see the buck worth the amount of respect that these guys are going to lose.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>Who's got pic's of the buck(s)
>taken? Post em up!!
>
> Don't know about the rest
>of you guys but i'd
>like to see the buck
>worth the amount of respect
>that these guys are going
>to lose.
>
>Joey
>


You're ASSuming they had respect to begin with..
 
They have a lot of respect in the hunting industry. HAD and still do. Just remember that it's only one person that pulled the trigger.


It's always an adventure!!!
 
>I already posted it, if you
>guys can read, they
>shot a buck on the
>wrong unit, he had a
>CWMU tag and shot the
>buck on the wrong side
>of the fence. Used others
>to help try and push
>the deer on the unit
>and still shot it off
>of the unit. If
>it hasn't been removed from
>their website go watch Johns
>mule deer hunt in monticello
>and you can watch it
>all for yourself.


I saw the buck on thier site.It hasn't been removed
 
if the buck in question is the one on film, then the cameraman, guides and whoever was on scene are also guilty of not reporting a felony to the DWR....if the CWMU operator/guide knew of the CRIME and did not report it they should loose their place in the program...



How to start an argument online:
1. Express an opinion
2. Wait
 
They have taken all the old episodes off the web site and John Mogle is not listed as an employee? Did they fire him or did he resign???
 
WOW

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Which CWMU??????

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Wasn't that hunt on the Spring Creek CWMU? I watched that episode online before they pulled it off their website. I believe he was hunting with Jeff Nielson outside of Monticello, Utah.

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Last I knew there are no game and fish felonies....unless a human was killed!
 
(c) Section 23-16-3.1.
(3) Wanton destruction of wildlife is punishable:
(a) as a third degree felony if:
(i) the aggregate value of the protected wildlife determined by the values in Subsection (4) is more than $500; or
(ii) a trophy animal was captured, injured, or destroyed;


now you know
 
I've been a lurker on this sight for years, and finally compelled to say something. I enjoy western big game hunting shows as much as the next guy but I have to say there were several instances while viewing thier television show that I was disappointed with thier ethics. I remember a colorado deer hunt when you could clearly see thier off road vehicle in the shot when a deer was harvested. Clearly they were road hunting, also the shot was taken from the middle of a road, granted it was a two track dirt road so I am not sure if it was illegal as I believe the road has to be an "improved" road however definetly not something tasteful in my opinion. Another show he shot a sheep in Canada. In his (I believe it was John Mogle) celebration he takes his eye off the animal. The animal gets up and runs off. Hopefully the animal lived but who knows could have died later. He seemed somewhat upset about it and this can certainly happen to any hunter however it seems many of these TV personalities love to ham it up for the camera instead of focusing at the task at hand which is to ethicaly kill an animal as quickly and cleanly as possible. I think most of us are taught to immediatly reload our weapon once we have fired and keep a bead on our animal till we are sure the animal is dead. This may take several minutes. It was also during his Canadian hunt that he shot an animal in it's bed, again not illegal just not very tasteful. Perhaps the things I noticed and point out are not illegal but in my opinion they certainly were not in good taste. It seems this crew would do just about anything to take a trophy animal. I respect ethical hunters. The other issues that have been raised are not surprising and ensures that I will never purchase one of thier products and will not view thier hunting show again.
 
Does anyone here subscribe to the magazine? I just got my new issue they have clearly been preoccupied with something as this is a "best of" issue. And it is now just simply called " hunting illustrated". Thechristensen arms part of the title is now gone. They still advertise and Mogle is still editor.
 
"...as far as looking at the whole thing as a CHRISTENSEN ARMS problem it really is a black eye for them because of what thier employees have done. The christensen family has very high standards"

Doesn't one of the owners of the company and one of the Christensen's (Troy Christensen) have more than one felony against them for "Wanton destruction of protected wildlife" for poaching an animal they didn't have a tag for and cutting the head off?

Here is the story on Mogle, I have talked with him: He had a CWMU tag. He had a guide. He shot a buck, with the guide right by his side, that was 70 yards off the CWMU boundary. He is getting charged with a misdemeanor. The guide is getting nothing.

But here is my beef. Mogle is getting drug thru the mud on this thing in his community. The Christensen's (owners of Christensen Arms) are throwing him under the bus, yet one of the owners of the company is a convicted felon.

So when I read that the Christensen family has high standards, I have to laugh. I have hunted with one of the Christensen boys. I know all the stories about him. I doubt he has hunted a sober day of his life. So when I hear "high standards", I have to laugh.
 

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