Save the Cities Mule Deer

Muleheadedod · Aug 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12 AT 12:31PM (MST)[p]?? Saving the mule deer.
?? ? The other day there was a deer on I15, under the 215 south interchange bridge. Not less than thirty minutes later was this big buck shot dead, so that he didnt run into traffic and this isn't the first time this has happened. A couple years ago a sniper was highered in Bountiful City to go around and shoot all of the deer in the city, instead of simply transporting them to another location.?
?? Today i am working in Heber, a private community called Red Ledges that wants to get rid of all there deer, but do not want people to come in and hunt them. This situation is going to turn out like the Bountiful City sniper, when their are so many locations that could use more genes, let alone better genes in there area. All this could be possible by transporting the deer.
?? ?Many communities in the city have deer they want to get rid of because they are a newsense, if we started to transport the deer instead of killing them, we could help out other units in population therefore saving the mule deer population. How many times have you been driving down the road and seen a deer, and the next day its on the road dead? If we could call someone and get "city deer" or deer to close to the road transported to different areas we could save and start more lifes. Instead of shooting them and throwing them in the trash, this discusts me. What a waste of an animal.?
??How hard would it be to tranquilize or net, put in a trailer and let them go up in the hills? In communities, bait the deer, cage them up, trailer, and transport? Its not hard at all.. And we could help out alot of units by doing so. If your intrested please get back to me so we can talk over how to help save our mule deer population in Utah immediatly!
?? ? ?Thanks, Bryan.?

doggbiter · Aug 8, 2012

Sounds like a great idea! No wonder people call you... Utards! Let's TranKulize all of them and dump them out infront of the 13person clans that only have one tag!

Cam@strawberry · Aug 8, 2012

OUCH....the dude was just trying to help.....

chewyman55 · Aug 8, 2012

I'm guessing this Heber subdivision is new and put smack dab in the heart of deer country. As soon as the deer show up to eat the shrubs, the homeowners start crying about it. These are the same people that look at you like a murderer when you tell them that you hunt.

TOPGUN · Aug 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12 AT 12:47PM (MST)[p]Same ole, same ole on the moving of animals and it ain't that easy even if they are a "newsense"!

eldorado · Aug 8, 2012

Instead of hiring government sharpshooters why not let bow hunters reduce the number of deer in these communities. The state would make money and hunters would benefit. I say a win-win situation.

Eldorado

SMELLYBUCK · Aug 8, 2012

Elderado,

That was the mentality with the Wasatch Front. I guess you can argue to some degree that is has worked as it provides a lot of opportunity to a lot of people.

In some ways it hasn't worked so well. As mentioned, Bountiful hired a sniper last year. This city sits on the Wasatch Front. Archery hasn't been effective in controlling the herd there. Maybe if it was anterless only, the impact would be more noticable. Although archer hunters seem safer and there is less noise, It still isn't perfect. Archers feel comfortable shooting close to houses because nobody will hear. Its a great plan until the arrowed deer runs through someones yard or the kids find a blood trail and gut pile by their fort.

jstwnahnt · Aug 8, 2012

Thats just ridiculous that Red ledges is compaining about the deer. What did they really excpect when they built houses in the mountains.

tailchasers · Aug 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12 AT 07:07PM (MST)[p]>Thats just ridiculous that Red ledges
>is compaining about the
>deer. What did they really
>excpect when they built houses
>in the mountains.

My guess is these are greenie democrats who promote being a vegan, where leather shoes, drive a Landrover, want protection of all animal species except where they live, and really have no clue how the real world works and choose to live within their fantasy land.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway."

nfh · Aug 8, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12 AT 08:43PM (MST)[p]>Instead of hiring government sharpshooters why
>not let bow hunters reduce
>the number of deer in
>these communities. The state would
>make money and hunters would
>benefit. I say a win-win
>situation.
>
>Eldorado

They do it in wyoming to where you can bowhunt in the town of sheridan, WY in certain parts. same with story wy you can also bowhunt.. not sure what other towns they do. maybe buffalo to cause you can hunt a creek bottom on the very edge of town then it runs through town....

Tikka · Aug 8, 2012

>LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-12
>AT 12:47?PM (MST)
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>Same ole, same ole on the
>moving of animals and it
>ain't that easy even if
>they are a "newsense"!

Am I the only one that wants to kick TOPGUN in the teeth....Do you have nothing to do in life but wait like a predator to put down people around here??????

Go ahead flame on fishon, TOPGUN and ZIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!! Your all the same to me.....

rowdyblueman · Aug 8, 2012

I bet doggbiter is a puss.

jray · Aug 8, 2012

Complete BS. Lets build our "private" community with our pretty Jack Nicklaus designed course in the foothills and expect all the deer to be gone! It's gonna be a never ending problem. How would it be to be rich enough to get whatever you want in this world? Poor cry baby people can pay to send them all to my house. I won't complain.

BullCrazy · Aug 9, 2012

I have a place up in Timberlakes past Red Ledges. Red Ledges used to be a huge farm about five years ago with alfalfa and deer all over the place. I used to stop by there anytime I was driving near dusk and there was always some good bucks around, just a ton of deer in general. Not only are there deer there during the summer but it is (was) a large wintering area as well. So these people come in and build these mansions smack in the middle of the deer and then want them exterminated, sounds typical for these type of a-hole yuppies. The problem is not only are they going to get rid of the resident deer but they could potentially be killing deer that just migrate through the area as well.

gznokes · Aug 9, 2012

Muleheadedod, there was an interesting discussion on here about transplanting mule deer a while ago that I would recommend checking out. http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID5/19372.html

I've copied and pasted part of that post that I thought provided some interesting perspective. I'd be interested in your thoughts after you read this. Also SFW is looking into how to effectively relocate mule deer.
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From Tuleelk.

Relocating animals can be very expensive and always seem easy and cheap at first glance, but once you start looking at it you quickly realize it can get expensive fast. Here are some things that you need to think about and can add up quickly. I am just dumping my thoughts here so I apologize for lack of cohesive thinking. How many animals do you want? Time of year? What method are you going to use to capture them (Helicopter net gun, collapsible net, deer drive, darting, baited trap? Where are you going to hold them? How far are you going to transport them? Blood work for disease testing (needs to be expedited if moving them across state lines, last thing you want is to move animals and later find out they had a particular disease), parasite testing, health check.

A dart gun behaves more like archery equipment so you are not going to have very long shots. Dart guns are single shots, what drugs are you using (opioids), certified to use opioids? Some of the drugs are very expensive (several hundred dollars per dart and once loaded in the dart are pretty much good for a day or two and then can start to break down and lose effectiveness), then you have the reversal drug (can also be expensive). Now you dart the deer it runs off through the trees, you need to give it time to go down (if the dart actually hit the target and injected the drugs). You now have to spend time to find the deer. Most times they can be found relatively quickly but sometimes they just are plain hard to find. Are you going to have a vet with the darter or is the deer being transported back to central processing. How many people are darting or is it one person doing it. You are going to want to minimize the time deer (or any ungulate) are in the trailer. Most times you want it to be a one day operation so you are not holding animals very long. One day operations usually involve a helicopter (can capture larger number of animals in a shorter period of time). Helicopters run about $1,000 an hour (you pay transport cost to get the helicopter there and back to the helicopter home in addition to actual flight time). How many days did you schedule the helicopter in case of weather. How many people were scheduled to help and how long can they stay in case of weather.
Lets say you are a excellent darter and you get 3 animals in a portion of the day. That includes finding the animal, hopefully they all went right down next to the road and did not run over the hill into a hole. Once you have that deer are you just going to throw it in the back of the truck or are you going to take it to the trailer, how are you going to get it to the truck (throwing it over your back is not going to help it as they are susceptible to bloating) how far are you from the trailer? Is it getting hot out? Cold out? Raining? Many drugs affect the ability of animals to thermoregulate and they can basically die of exposure or overheating. The list is endless.

So you want to move deer to a different area that does not have as many deer. You have to ask yourself why that area does not have more deer? If there is a reason it does not have many deer what makes you think dumping more deer will change that. You have now moved an animal into an area it is completely unfamiliar with that apparently the local deer are not doing well enough to fill what you believe are voids. Animals have been moved around and some times it works and some times it does not. Usually the most successful moves have been putting a species back into historic range that is currently unoccupied but suitable for them. Or in putting them on islands or areas outside their historic range and they take advantage of the new area be it from lack of predators, excellent habitat, etc. In a nutshell there are lots to look at outside of driving around and shooting a dart at a doe.

Just my random thoughts

Joe

progono · Aug 9, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-12 AT 05:07PM (MST)[p]Tell you what. There is a nice and I mean nice buck that lives in the Red Ledges. I will take a bounty fee of 25,000 dollars and remove him quietly with my bow. This will reduce the heard by one this year but exponentially the dear heard will be reduced by thousands in the next few years. I think this is a language the upper crust will better understand. I have him patterned and with neighboring property support I could even remove him without entering Red Ledges property. I am afraid if I have to do this though there will be a 30% up charge. It is unfortunate that these maggots seem to appear out of thin air when people of such high stature need to get away and enjoy there imported and water guzzling landscape. I mean they just destroy everything. I mean the place was beautiful enough to purchase originally but now they have shown up and are destroying everything. Pm me if you are interested in my assistance.

Cooperd · Aug 10, 2012

I hope dogbiter doesnt show up with his "trankulizer" lol. Really sad to see when winter ranges get build on,people complain about the deer. This is something I would like to see some of the "organizations" address. Its a huge problem,almost as bad as predation in my opinion.