Mark Thayn LaSal Mt Outfitters

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doeseedoe

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Has anyone ever used Mark Thayn of LaSal Mt Outfitters. Before putting in for LaSal Mts he contacted me and I agreed to send him a deposit just in case I got drawn. He wanted the deposit to reserve my spot. Needless to say I never got drawn. Now he refuses to return my deposit. I have called him twice and email three times with no response.
What are my chances of getting my deposit back. It was $2750. What is the process to file a complaint.
FYI I had 15 pts
Thank in advance for your input.
 
Forgot to add I asked him not to cash my check until I contacted him as to whether I got drawn. He told me he would not cash the check without my permission. I was in the hospital out of town having heart surgery when he cashed the check. Caused me to be overdrawn with no way to get to the bank.

Needless to say I am not very happy with him.
 
So?

You Wrote Him a Check that Wouldn't Clear?

Was it Post Dated?













[font color="blue"]HUNTIN,FISHIN,AND LOVIN EVERY DAY,I WANNA SEE
THEM TALL PINES SWAY!
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My bank covered the check, but it left me overdrawn. Had to call home and have someone put money in for me. That is the reason I told him to contact me before he cashed the check. I wanted to be sure I could cover it. He said his wife cash by mistake.
No it wasn't post dated. I know bad mistake on my part.
 
Wellsfargo doesn't care about post dating checks. They are morons and that is why I stopped my direct deposits from going into my account with them. I post dated a check and it took them over a month of complaining before they refunded the over draft fees. I explained that if they hired competent people who read my notes on the check and the date it is written for they would see the legal note did not take effect until the date it was written for.

?If men were angels, no government would be
necessary.? John Adams
 
OK!

So much for Post Dating!:D

Hopefully He'll make it Right & Give you your Money Back!













[font color="blue"]HUNTIN,FISHIN,AND LOVIN EVERY DAY,I WANNA SEE
THEM TALL PINES SWAY!
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I emailed him on May 19 asking for my deposit back and never got an answer so I called. He wasn't around so I left a message. Then I emailed again. No answer. I called June 2 he said he would have it in the mail no later than June 6. Still waiting for the check.
I am going to file a complaint with Utah Fish and Wildlife on Monday.
 
>I emailed him on May 19
>asking for my deposit back
>and never got an answer
>so I called. He wasn't
>around so I left a
>message. Then I emailed again.
>No answer. I called June
>2 he said he would
>have it in the mail
>no later than June 6.
>Still waiting for the check.
>
>I am going to file a
>complaint with Utah Fish and
>Wildlife on Monday.


I've never heard anything Bad about Him?

But I Don't Personally know Him Either!

I do Think He'll make it Right with you!











[font color="blue"]HUNTIN,FISHIN,AND LOVIN EVERY DAY,I WANNA SEE
THEM TALL PINES SWAY!
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Sometime a Face to Face has to happen to get a check from guy like that.
You might have to have a lawyer sent him a letter also.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>the MM green signature club.[font/]
 
So the agreement was for a check to be held until you drew a tag or it would be sent back to you if not? Was there any talk about a fully refundable deposit meaning he would cash it and then issue a refund? Do you have any type of agreement in writing about the deposit? Their site lacks any good info that I can find on this but I haven't scoured it intensively either.

Social media is your best friend in these types of instances. Post to sites on Facebook such as the bow hunters of Utah page, Elk addicts page and so forth. Also post to other forums that also cater to hunting such as accurate reloading and others. Get his name out there and on Google's search engine so when people search for reviews and and info, it will get this info out to perspective clients and they can see he isn't smart with money. Stick to the facts and keep at it and hopefully enough exposure will force his hand in honoring the agreement.
 
There was no written agreement. I have never had any trouble with outfitters. All have honored any agreement we have made. Verbal or in writing. I was told he would not cash the check until I got drawn. Even Told him not to cash the check until I told him it was ok. I put that in a note when I sent him the check and have a copy of that note. He convinced me that I had to send a deposit to hold my reservation.
He has a bow shop in Moab so I assumed he was legit.
 
Got this email today. I guess social media works.


Hey I sent Your deposit back to you on Thursday.
Please remove the comment off of Monster Muleys.
We deal with thousands of clients and you are the first that has complained.
We are sorry for the mix up.
Happy Hunting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2016, at 6:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:

I am filing a complaint with Utah Fish and Wildlife tomorrow if I don't get my deposit back tomorrow.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Mark Thayn <[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry Sorry been crazy, Slipped my mind will go out Monday so so sorry


Mark Thayn
LSMO

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:26 AM
Subject: Return of deposit


This is my second request for my deposit. You cashed my check for $2750 and cost me $36 in overdraft fees. Now you are for some reason not returning my deposit. Not a good mark on your reputation.
Please return ASAP

Sam Schneider
2800 Parkway Dr
Crescent City Ca 95531

Sent from my iPad
 
OP just a heads up when you email him it helps to be polite and to also send him the links to the forms you have posted on. Since you were not getting any results I actually emailed him on Facebook this morning detailing that while I am sure there are two sides to every story his side is not looking too great on monster muleys with a link to this post. Needless to say one of the best ways to get a deposit back is to be polite until you have done everything you can do.

?If men were angels, no government would be
necessary.? John Adams
 
I tried being polite. I wait two weeks after I called to give him a chance to pay. Then he said he was sending the deposit and two week later still no deposit. Look I am not mad I just wanted my deposit back. He did not reply to my emails so I used social media to get his attention. I will delete this post when I get the deposit. I would do it now but I was already promised once and got nothing. First rule of business is to do what you say you are going to do.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-19-16 AT 07:08PM (MST)[p]That is BS!I would take his ass to court. Regardless if you had the money or not, he cashed a check without permission, your going to have to take him to small claims court. But it also sounds like you got fraud done to you. I would never write someone a check before I drew a tag, And I have never heard of the guy. I really think you got scammed. Anther bad deal is if you don't have a written contract your going to have a hard time proving it in court that what you said happened really happened. All the outfitters I have dealt with only want a deposit after you have drawn the tag. I would check with the DWR and see if he is a registered and licensed guide. Start there. Bad deal man, but my experience, most outfitters will still book you without a deposit until you draw a tag, then when you draw, they ask for the deposit then you pay the rest when the hunt is finished. The whole things sounds shady. Contact Ty at clear creek outfitters, see if he knows this guy, he knows most of the guides in the state, I really think you got hosed
 
">That is BS!I would take his
>ass to court. Regardless if
>you had the money or
>not, he cashed a check
>without permission, your going to
>have to take him to
>small claims court. But it
>also sounds like you got
>fraud done to you. I
>would never write someone a
>check before I drew a
>tag, And I have never
>heard of the guy. I
>really think you got scammed.
>Anther bad deal is if
>you don't have a written
>contract your going to have
>a hard time proving it
>in court that what you
>said happened really happened. All
>the outfitters I have dealt
>with only want a deposit
>after you have drawn the
>tag. I would check with
>the DWR and see if
>he is a registered and
>licensed guide. Start there. Bad
>deal man, but my experience,
>most outfitters will still book
>you without a deposit until
>you draw a tag, then
>when you draw, they ask
>for the deposit then you
>pay the rest when the
>hunt is finished. The whole
>things sounds shady. Contact Ty
>at clear creek outfitters, see
>if he knows this guy,
>he knows most of the
>guides in the state, I
>really think you got hosed"


You would be best to keep your day job and stay out of advising people like you have! You also must not have read all the posts because the OP now has an email that says the refund check is on the way. Also FYI when you write someone a check and send it to them there is nothing on the books that says they can't cash it. The mere fact that you send someone a check is for them to cash it! Not cashing it would strictly be a gentlemen's agreement like this was, but it certainly wouldn't be binding unless there was a signed contract between the two parties and it doesn't sound like that was the case here. Part of what you stated about how outfitters operate may be correct, but I doubt seriously that you'll find many that don't want full payment before the hunt, unlike what you stated. The only thing normally paid after a hunt is completed is tips to the guide, cook, wrangler, etc. and although that is expected it's not mandatory.
 
He emailed and said he mailed the check Thursday. I have to give him a chance to make good. I don't want to cause him any unnecessary trouble just want my money back.
I would not even hire a guide, but I am a 70 year old disabled logger who can't get it done alone anymore.
 
I especially like the way he puts it back on you.
"We deal with thousands of clients and you are the first that has complained."
The nerve you have, wanting your money back . . .
 
Seems like both sides could handle this different. Just curious why you picked him? I did a search on his company and it seems he runs an archery shop and books hunts on a private ranch. Is he licensed or does he even guide on public land? I hope you get your money back and have a great hunt in the future.
 
I think asking someone to send your deposit back is polite enough. How busy can one be to not take the time to return your monies?
One suggestion would be, to get a contract from the outfitter and if drawn to then and only then send them the signed contract and your deposit. I would make sure that he signs it before sending it to you. Just a thought.

I guarantee that name will stick in my memory and I'll always associate it with this. Too bad.... for him

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
I contacted him through an ad on Monstermuleys classified ads. It was under [email protected]. I sent him an email asking for more information and a couple days later Mark Thayn called me to talk about the hunt and ask for the deposit. Said he could not hold the hunt without a deposit. He told me he would only cash the check if I got drawn. I took a copy of the check and a note asking him not to cash the check without contacting me.
I called him immediately after finding out I was overdrawn. He said his wife must have cashed the check by accident. I call BS on that one.
Might have to make a trip to Moab to settle the score.
 
Well doe let us know what happens

Thanks Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
It's pretty obvious he knows he owes you the money but he doesn't have it. so you're out of luck unless two things happen, he gets the money and you're a priority over everyone else he probably owes. the later won't happen if he figures the damage is already done and he writes you off the list.



He's no doubt reading this so if I were you I'd seek legal advice and stop showing your hand to him on the internet.








Stay Thirsty My Friends
 
wow pretty defensive right out the gate, the guy hasn't got his money back, and until then, its a shitty deal. Period, you cant defend that. Oh I wouldn't quit my day job either.
 
>Welcome to doing business in Utardia.
>The scam and fraud capital
>of America.

That is because we are so trusting and let all the scam artists move into the state. :)

You guys really tickle me. Topgun has it right, so the rest of you need to go back to work and quit cheating your employer and giving bad advise.
 
Because the guys a fraud, even if he is truly trying to guide, I don't think he is licensed. I know one of his buddies fired back on my previous comment or him under someone else account. I never hear of him, you can contact the DWR and see who is licensed to guide in Utah, I looked at his add, it looks like he mostly does Nevada and Arizona, but it seems fishy, almost like he is buying private tags from land owners and then charging a premium. just doesn't seem right.
 
>wow pretty defensive right out the
>gate, the guy hasn't got
>his money back, and until
>then, its a shitty deal.
>Period, you cant defend that.
>Oh I wouldn't quit my
>day job either.


You also obviously don't know what being defensive is because there sure wasn't any of that in my post. No argument that the deal sucked, but the OP that wrote the check shouldn't have done that with a complete stranger and especially with nothing in writing so he's partly to blame for being so trusting. There are more and more people in the "hunting industry" that are crooks as the years go by and I can't see it getting any better. I'm doing my day job right now since I retired 14 years ago and haven't looked back since, LOL!
 
I agree with that, he shouldn't have wrote the check. I checked this guys stuff out, he has nothing on is FB about hunting, its all about archery shooting and competitions, no pic's of animals killed on any hunts. I will be surprised if he gets his money back
 
You should contact the ut f&g! I bet they would like to chat with this guy about guiding hunts without a license.
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Dear doeseedoe

I am writing not to take sides but to say your posts took me a minute to decipher. I understand your 70, just had heart Surgery and now dealing with stress to obtain a refund. Let me just say that what happened to you could happen to many folks who do not hire guides on a regular basis. It is for such people I also write my little experience.

I also saw the ad about outfitters, Hunts, etc in the MM'eys ad's. It was under [email protected]

You did not make it overly clear that "At The Start" you wrote to the above. When I saw that ad I did a small amount of Detective work because [email protected] had local numbers for me. I had a good feeling yet confused because the numbers are in California.

The (415) 706-1204 is a San Francisco number. It showed:

http://www.orexco1031.com/Resources/Industry.aspx?nav=resources&nav2=industry

(925) 287-9727 Fax = 1734 Encanto Ct, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

[email protected] is tied to Serge Engurasoff.


Serge Engurasoff
Park Capital Properties Inc.
250 Sutter Street, Suite 600
San Francisco, CA 94108
(415) 706-1204 (ph)
[email protected]

Once "I" got to this point, I Walked Away. This was just my decision.
 
Just to be fair to Mark Thayn, I received the deposit check today as promised. Now to see if it clears.
Thanks to everyone who helped move this along.
 
eelgrass; My hero and best buddy (yes, invite me to go fishing) :)

The Ad for guides was to a "Booking Agent". Yes, he must know and have a $ contract $ in place for referrals.

Contact Us | Urge2Hunt - All Inclusive Booking Agent
http://www.urge2hunt.com/contact.php

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-16 AT 06:56AM (MST)[p]>Just to be fair to Mark
>Thayn, I received the deposit
>check today as promised. Now
>to see if it clears.
>
>Thanks to everyone who helped move
>this along.

Glad to hear you got your deposit back (pending). As a 68 year old retired logger myself, I was starting to take it a little personal too. :)

edit. Doeseedoe, we need to sit around the campfire sometime and tell a few stories. (lies :))
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-22-16 AT 08:06AM (MST)[p]Hi doe, I'm glad to hear it! I too sent the gentleman an email and posted on his FB page.
Let us know when it's all done

Your friend
Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
Sounds good Eel. We are not very far apart. I am coming your way July 9.
I used to cut trees for Green Diamond among others from Sawyers Bar to Paynes Creek.
 
Mark owns the lube it shop & carwash along with Lasal mtn outfitters in moab utah which is also a bow shop and retail store. He books hunts for a piece of private property his in-laws own, Taylor livestock. To my knowledge he has no public land licensing as an outfitter. In Utah on private property outfitters and guides are not required to be professionally licensed. He uses a booking agency to fill his hunts for cow elk tags that come with the private property. He has always been a little slippery to deal with. My suggestion would be a face to face and be aggressive with him. Lots of luck.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-16 AT 01:27PM (MST)[p]>I received the deposit check and
>it cleared the bank. I
>now consider the matter closed.
>Thanks to all for the help.

That's great and this is a good example of the power of the internet!

EDIT:So much for that after reading post #50 that the check bounced. I know what I'd be doing next but it's not legal. Going to small claims court won't get your money back even if/when you win. Getting lawyers involved will cost more than you'll probably recoup, so good luck if the guy has now pulled this bad check on you knowing his name is out on this big website. I guess I'd start putting this out on every single hunting website and maybe he'll come around when the only search people do on him is so negative that he'll lose his rearend even if you don't get your money back.
 
Ok I take it all back. Just checked my bank account and the check bounced. Got a $19 restock fee on top of it.
That ass needs to be put out of business.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-26-16 AT 08:51AM (MST)[p]Small claims court, put a lien on his real property, maybe postal fraud.
 
Hope you got my pm and were prepared for this? And I hope he's no longer advertising on mm?
 
I am going to put this on every forum I can find, then I am going to take him to court. If I have to come back to Utah he will be paying my way. I will stand outside his srore with a big sign letting all his customers know what a dirtbag he is. In the end he will be sorry he screwed with this old redneck.
 
>Hope you got my pm and
>were prepared for this? And
>I hope he's no longer
>advertising on mm?


At least two ads are still up.
 
You can lien his business but you need to act fast, if you need to get him served pm me i will do it for FREE!

?If men were angels, no government would be
necessary.? John Adams
 
The way we handle bounced checks here is to file them with the District attorney and they either pay up or go to jail. They even collect an extra $50 fee. Might give them a call where he lives.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
That's just about how I feel. My chances are slim and none and slims out of town.
I sent a threatening email and got a quick answer. It was another screw up on his part. He offered to send money plus fees by cashiers check. Also offered me a free cow hunt to make up for my trouble. Right now I just want my deposit back. Then we can talk about a hunt.
 
I would put him on notice that by a certain date you will have in your hand a cashiers check for the full deposit amount. Let him know if that check is not received by that date you will file civil action in small claims court. Also you will take some weekends off and stand on the public sidewalk in front of his store with a big sign telling people of his deceit and failing to honor his obligations. You will also post on every hunting forum you can find about not using his business due to failing to honor his word with you and paying back your deposit with a bad check.

RELH
 
I suggest taking the check to your local District Attorney's office with all supporting emails, etc. The check writer can most likely be prosecuted in their jurisdiction. Usually when their bank records are ordered the account holder is noticed. Then they get a phone call or letter from the DA, and you'll start to get the reimbursement you are seeking.
 
DoubleU, that will depend on several things. You have two jurisdictions involved here possibly in two different states. Some D.A.s will not pursue a case if it involved a overdrawn checking account. They may recommend civil action. Most all of them will pursue a criminal case if the account had been closed where they can show a case of outright fraud.
It will not hurt for him to inquire of his home D.A,'s office and of the D.A. in the county where the check was issued from, but the news may not be that great.

RELH
 
I just left a pretty nasty message on their facebook site, but it don't post until the admin approves it, so it wont be there, although this story bugs me so much, I will call the moab archery shop today and tried to talk to mark thayn myself, I will keep you updated, we will make this fu*ker pay.
 
DeweyL
Hold off on that he has promised to send me a cashiers check. I want to give him a chance to make good. He is sending it overnight so I should know in a couple of days.
 
Doeseedoe

Root cause is you began with http://www.urge2hunt.com/ who became "Your Agent". This web page may entice many yet it scared me away. In my opinion to help you I must say you need Legal Advice. Many States have such help for Seniors at little to no cost. You seem to "Only" want your deposit. California "May" offer Three Times Recovery of the $ but again, you need legal advice. This is not lumber cutting, it's Laws.

I gave a vast amount of data in two above posts but it seems to be ignored. Then I see picketing a business.

Stick with legal available options and the Laws. Maybe go back, read the information I posted and obtain a Legal Rep. A Legal mind can read Nouns, Adjectives and far more on http://www.urge2hunt.com/ than a Lay person may.

Jagerdad :)
 
Ok guys it is time to call off the dogs. I am getting this taken care of and really don't need people attacking Mark on my behalf. Even though your intentions are good I don't like this getting so ugly.
Mark has assured me that he has sent a cashiers check for the full amount. That is good enough for me. Someone has attacked his wife on Facebook and this is not right. So please back off.

Thank
Sam
 
Just for the record that wasn't me who made threats to his wife, I will back off as you request, please keep us updated on the outcomve
 
Does He Still want This Thread YANKED Off of MM?











[font color="blue"]HUNTIN,FISHIN,AND LOVIN EVERY DAY,I WANNA SEE
THEM TALL PINES SWAY!
[/font]
 
> Does He Still want This
>Thread YANKED Off of MM?


I wouldn't yank this thread from the site if the SOB came to my door with cash now!
 
Ok yes I would like this thread pulled. Mark has sent me a cashiers check for the full amount. From his explanation I believe it was just a error in money transfers. I am happy with how he handled it once he figured out what happened. I think him and I will be a little wiser next time. If the opportunity arises I will go through him again.
 
>Ok yes I would like this
>thread pulled. Mark has sent
>me a cashiers check for
>the full amount. From his
>explanation I believe it was
>just a error in money
>transfers. I am happy with
>how he handled it once
>he figured out what happened.
>I think him and I
>will be a little wiser
>next time. If the opportunity
>arises I will go through
>him again.

Really?!! You would use him again? I guess some people never learn.
 
>Ok yes I would like this
>thread pulled. Mark has sent
>me a cashiers check for
>the full amount. From his
>explanation I believe it was
>just a error in money
>transfers. I am happy with
>how he handled it once
>he figured out what happened.
>I think him and I
>will be a little wiser
>next time. If the opportunity
>arises I will go through
>him again.

The real question. Would he want to do business with you again?

Sounds like plenty of BS to cover both sides.
 
I can't believe the OP would think this was just a series of mistakes, LOL! It sounds like he and Thayn deserve each other!
 
Sometimes you just have to stop and think "what would Jesus do?"
I think he'd offer me a cow hunt and I'd go!

Hell yes, I'd be happy to take him up on a cow hunt even after all that. How bad could he screw that up? (rhetorical question laced with TIC comments)

Zeke (sometimes I think I'm funny)
 
Does it sound like doe is being threaten with legal action for his post or is it just me?

Joe

"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-16 AT 02:22PM (MST)[p]>Does it sound like doe is
>being threaten with legal action
>for his post or is
>it just me?
>
>Joe
>
>"Sometimes you do things wrong for
>so long you
>think their right" - 2001
>"I can't argue with honesty" -
>2005
>-Joe E Sikora


I see no threat of such and even if it was he hasn't a leg to stand on when he promised a check and that check bounced. The bank the OP uses would back that up and he even got charged for the bounced check. I'd have been asking for at least that extra money back along with the full refund in that cashiers check. Hard to believe the OP now thinks it was all a mistake and would continue to do business with the guy, but as PT Barnum said: "There's a sucker born every minute"!
 
And http://www.urge2hunt.com/ is never brought up. Slides right under the radar.

I feel foolish for getting all the data's and it's ignored by doeseedoe. Maybe I'm the Fool :-(

I hope founder has read this and does something to vest advertisers....or not...? I don't know what to think. Next time I may let the victim sink or swim....Nah, that's not me. Helping is my DNA's fault.
 
Boy once you guys smell blood you never give up. Now you want to attack both of us. Do you really think I would send another check to any outfitter without some kind of guarantee I may be dumb but I am not stupid. The guy wants to make good let him do it without crucifying him.
 
The problem that most people have about this is he did not go about his promise to make good on this until you posted here and people from this forum contacted him through his social media ties. In the eyes of people on this forum, that is not a good faith effort to fix the problem. It should never have gotten to the point where you had to post here to make this right.

To remove this post now would be a disservice to those who potentially want to hire him as a guide on that private ground. They should know the negatives as well as any of the positives that can be spun on this. Should everyone at this point move on? Probably. What was needed to be said was said and in the end, you got what you were promised but let's not be naive to think he's squeaky clean and everyone should let bygones be bygones in a business transaction. Forgive your friends, but bad business practices should never be tolerated.
 
doe, with all due respect. The reason you put this post up was to get help from your friends here on MM and now your blaming them for helping........? I really think your worried about some threat that was made against you. I don't think it's possible to blame you for wanting your money back! The only thing you wanted was your money back and I don't think any court could argue that point. I've never heard of someone blowing smoke several times about giving you your money back then trying to make you feel like it's your fault. You did nothing wrong. Please keep that in mind

Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
dack77 +10,000 great post

Joe


"Sometimes you do things wrong for so long you
think their right" - 2001
"I can't argue with honesty" - 2005
-Joe E Sikora
 
I mentioned a similar situation I went thru with a contractor here in a pm to you doesedoe. He bounced a $29,000 check to me twice before the third finally cleared. I haven't, nor would I consider, ever pounding another nail for that worthless pos. I tell everybody that brings his name up to me, my experience with him in hopes they don't get burned like I did. That is why this thread needs to stay up. He made this smelly pile of chit, now he needs to lie in it, it's nobody's fault but his own. And if you let the snake back in your door, you can't come back here complainin about bein bit!
 
dack77 and DW are right on the button! Anyone that would dare think of doing business with this guy after what he pulled and didn't take care of until it was all over the net and then even bounced the first check deserves whatever they get. The thread needs to stay up and anyone doing a search on the guy will find out how he operates.
 
I think doe is probably more concerned with the comments directed towards him after he said he would do business with the guy again than he is with the thread staying up. Just a guess, though.

Honestly, when I read those I kind of thought they were unnecessary as well. Doe asked for help to get his money back. People responded and helped him do just that. Based upon his conversation with the guy, he feels good about the outcome. That's his prerogative, we shouldn't take shots at him for being an adult and moving on, even if we feel his statement was a little crazy from our perspective of limited understanding.

I wouldn't want to do business through this guy simply based upon what went down. I like seeing the negative reviews of businesses with the positive so I can make informed decisions. But maybe all of this was just a mistake? Certainly a negligent mistake, but maybe not malicious. If doe wants to give the guy a second chance, so be it. If he gets burned a second time, he can't complain. But this situation seems to be resolved. The parties are moving on, so everyone else can too.
 
Mark is a great guy. If you haven't met him I would encourage all to reach out and get to know him. I dealt with him and his bow shop and always seemed to be very fair and honest. I believe mistakes can and do happen. Let's drop this and let these 2 gentlemen go about their business.
 

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