Is it the same buck?

TheOneRidgeRunner · Oct 13, 2012

I took the velvet pictures on 7/15/12, he had a while to go before he became hard horned. Sucess was on the muzzleloader hunt in the same canyon not far from the velvet photos.
Do you think it's the same buck?

r270 · Oct 13, 2012

I dont think they are the same buck. just me though

sageadvice · Oct 13, 2012

Giving my best guess, i'd say no. To me, it looks like the Velvet buck lays out a bit flatter. Could be though, they are very similar.

Joey

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dreaminbouthuntin · Oct 13, 2012

Yes, that is the same buck. No doubt in my mind. Look closely at height per fork, eye guards, width, ect. Also the left main beam is high than the right. In the velet pics, it is the same way. He also opens up the same way on his top forks.

swbuckmaster · Oct 13, 2012

its not the same buck. A deer grows its antlers from the bottom up. The velvet buck is missing an eye guard on its right side. the hard horn buck has two equal eye guards.

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rmanwill · Oct 13, 2012

Not the same buck, but Congrats. The mainbeam and the G4 are wider then the backs on velvet buck, but the dame or narrower on hard horn

mntman · Oct 13, 2012

No, the distance from the beams to the forks (G2&G3) is far greater on the one you shot vs the velvet buck.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

huntinguy · Oct 13, 2012

Definitely not the same buck. Right main beam has a very different curl from buck to buck. The whole right side has about 3 differences.

Either way great buck you got.

RoadlessHunter · Oct 13, 2012

The back forks, fork higher up on hard horned buck.

SureShot · Oct 13, 2012

The one in velvet looks a lot wider. How wide was the one you killed?

hangfire · Oct 13, 2012

I agree with most different buck

Daxter · Oct 13, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Oct-13-12 AT 05:32PM (MST)[p]Different bucks. Many posters have already pointed out the things I noticed that make them different. Also, the angle of the G-4's is different, they lay out more on the velvet buck and stick almost straight up in the hard horned buck.

Dax

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gb22 · Oct 13, 2012

Not a chance......ya' still dun very good, though.

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sageadvice · Oct 13, 2012

...that means the velvet buck is still out there. Where exactly were those pic's taken?

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"

SneakAttack · Oct 13, 2012

What did the tree say?

RipnFlip · Oct 13, 2012

I have no idea but either way congrats on a great buck.

nickman · Oct 13, 2012

Not the same......DUH!..... One is dead and the other is alive!

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sh!t a better argument than that!"

sticksender · Oct 14, 2012

Different bucks....agree with all the points made above, and also the brow tines are noticeably further from the burrs on the dead buck versus the velvet buck

tylerdurden · Oct 14, 2012

Definitely the same buck!

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TheOneRidgeRunner · Oct 14, 2012

Thanks for the imput guys. I thought more would have agreed that it was the same deer. I also noticed all the differanceses that were pointed out. Just figured that with another month and a half to grow that he would have been able to grow the differanceses seen in the photos. Either way they are both great bucks and i'm thrilled to have put the the tag on the one.

appleman · Oct 14, 2012

different buck---certainly similar but he sure changed his growth pattern after the velvet shot if he is the same

ELKOHOLIC · Oct 14, 2012

Makes me wonder if some of you are looking at a different pic. It is the same buck!

doggbiter · Oct 14, 2012

Makes me wonder, if you Tards have a life? Other than harassing wildlife

NHS · Oct 14, 2012

LAST EDITED ON Oct-14-12 AT 11:54PM (MST)[p]I'm quite sure it is the same buck. Look at the geometry of the anters. Specifically, the shapes that are formed in the backgroud from the main beams passing infront of the rear beam. Those shapes match between the velvet and hard horned bucks.

lundellhunting7 · Oct 15, 2012

Its not the same... Eyeguards are higher up on the hard horned buck

dack77 · Oct 15, 2012

So I am super bored at work today and I will be the first to claim I am not the best at Photoshop. So what I did was I basically took the time to overlay one picture on top of the other. I enlarged the first picture of the live deer to be close to a 1:1 ratio of the cut off antlers so I could try and match them up. I also had to turn the image of the cut off antlers just a tad to get it to angle in the same direction as the original picture. The adjustments I made are not scientific and took about 10 minutes so they aren't going to be 100% perfect, but the angle of all the additional growth matching up screams same buck to me.

The two pictures provided are from different angles, the size perspective is way off because the live deer picture is from much further away, all of which will distort the positioning of what everyone is focusing on, particularly of the eye guards that everyone thinks are way off.

thebuckstopshere · Oct 15, 2012

I would guess those are the same bucks.

Broadside_Shot · Oct 15, 2012

I just don't see anyway that could be the same buck

mntman · Oct 15, 2012

They are NOT the same buck, the points grow at the ends like a tree does. Compare the distance from the beams to the first forks. It is A LOT longer on the hard horned buck. Impossible to be the same one.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"

Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?

swbuckmaster · Oct 15, 2012

I was 85% sure it wasn't the same buck in the first but after seeing photo overlay im now 100% confident its NOT the same buck.

who farted?

doggbiter · Oct 15, 2012

Who gives a rat's ass!??

lgriffiti · Oct 16, 2012

My vote - definitely not the same buck. Back forks are at different heights though I see a lot of similarities so maybe genetically linked.. However, dandy buck just the same - congratulations.

-lgriffiti

Broadside_Shot · Oct 16, 2012

>Who gives a rat's ass!??

WOW!!! The guy who originally posted this topic is the one "Who Gives a Rats Ass". He has history with both bucks and was curious if they were the same. Give him a break, I's a legitimate question.