Antelope Island Buck??

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LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-12 AT 00:34AM (MST)[p]Question? After reading the posts on the buck taken by Denny it makes me wonder and think about some things.

On one hand kuddos to him for spending the cash to harvest a great buck. On the other hand is this becoming a rich mans sport?

Does this hunt benefit the average guy working to make ends meet or does it make it harder for him and his family to pursue the traditions of the sport and hunting?

Remember back before the $$$ was the prize? I remember hunting as a time when family came together like church. Great memories and stories exchanged around a campfire.

The buck that was killed was amazing, however I think it is an example of whats wrong with our managment today.



What do you all think?
 
WRONG RUGSTER!

For the last 15-20 years We've heard "It's becoming a Rich Mans Sport"!

It's not becoming,it's became!

It's been here for quite some time now,can anybody see it's already here?

If We could Hunt there(AI) RUGSTER We'd have a NON-PISSCUTTER type of Buck too!

When you get enough Cash Stashed and you Buy the Tag RUGSTER I wanna Guide you for a Nominal Fee!:D:D:D

I can only Imagine the kinda Ass Thrashins We'd both get RUGSTER!

You don't really wanna feel like that do ya?

As Poor Boy hunters/Do It YourSelfers We will keep doing Our Best!

We may not have the Claim to all the Fame but we will have Fun Trying our Best!

Fun with Family & Friends each Fall is something I look forward too every year!

Here's what I think RUGSTER:(Since You asked!)

If We were Rich Bittches?

We'd be considered real Assssholles!:D:D:D

Not just wanna-be Assssholes!:D:D:D

Wisz was a Hell of a Sport this year even if He did tell the UDWR to F-Off during the Phone Call!:D
15" Bases?
30" 5ths?
Missing 450" Bull!
The next 4 years is Slicks Fault,again,GEEZUS!
GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!
 
My 2 cents:

I think that Antelope Island is a different beast than the other limited entry units and tags should not be issued at all, it is not good for our sport.

With regards to tags for limited units that are auctioned off, I think these should only be auctioned off if it can be proven that they will raise more money then they would if they allowed every Joe to apply for the hunt in a $5 or $10 raffle. If that is the case, I propose that for each auctioned off tag, there is one $5-$10 raffle tag. I am not a fan of these tags, but if they are raising a lot of money for wildlife/mule deer, then I guess it might be okay.
 
I believe the problem lies with the mismanagement of the revenue received by the state.

I worked in the state system as a janitor at a local high school for a few years, and the wasteful spending of our tax money is atrocious.

I'm not positive, but I'd be willing to bet it's the same scenario with the DWR, to run a successful business, you must put out a good product at a reasonable price and have good customer service. Non of which is present with the utah wildlife management system.

Maybe they need to re-vamp the whole thing, have a wildlife professional to manage the animals, and a top notch business man to run the rest.

Times are changing where you either need to get real smart, real fast, or you're going to go the way of the dodo bird. Seems to be the common story across the west, wyoming and idaho are both struggling, and think that raising the tag prices is the answer. That's just like saying, raising taxes is the answer. It's not.
 
I'll be "positive" for you. I've a degree in economics, have been a banker for decades (point being I "notice" money and how it's spent) and have been a hunter ed teacher for a LONG time.

At least in Idaho, where I am, we waste LOTS of money....just as you saw at the school.

And I agree, we are rushing headlong toward "hunting ONLY for the rich".....and limited entry and auction tags are near the front of that rush.....as are the organizations that purport to "fight for sportsmen".

Antelope Island is probably different from anyplace else.....it's not the issue; the plethora of other "special" hunts ARE.


Within the shadows, go quietly.
 
"I think that Antelope Island is a different beast than the other limited entry units and tags should not be issued at all, it is not good for our sport."


With quotes like that do we actually wonder why the antis are winning???????


This whole thread shows a bunch of people are missing the fundamentals of hunting. You are letting your sport be defined by someone else's antler size and money. This is like letting someone elses penis size determine the happiness within your marriage. There is still plenty of over the counter hunting opportunities for all of us to take our family and friends on great hunting experiences all over North America. The foundation of hunting is within our culture, and our experiences and not decided by class warfare.
 
Yeah if you haven't noticed already that this sport has become more about the almighty dollar than anything else just the same way that 4 more years of Obama are going to lead to more gun control legislation and before you know it we are like friggin' England. Any deer that gets to world class caliber has already been spotted, spoken for, and has a price tag hanging from its ear. What a joke! If you don't speak out against this kind of crap and see it for what it is then you will be the one surprised when we do become like western Europe.

Nobody can own a firearm.
Only the nobleman who owns land or who has lots of money can hunt.



"99% of the failures come from people who have a habit of making excuses" George Washington
 
Here's what would be fair;
I think that everyone with money should put it in a pot and it should be divided up among those who don't have money. That way everyone is the same. God knows how evil those people are who have a little bit of money anyway. He also knows how wonderful the people are who don't have lots of money and they certainly have the right to someone elses money.

I think that if I can't pay for something then no one else should be able to either. We should all have the same things and opportunities.

This is the American way.

Zeke
 
Haha Zeke! The sad thing though, there may be people on here who don't see your sarcasm and actually agree with your post!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-12 AT 10:39AM (MST)[p]Hunting will never be what it was back in the old days. When you went out to get meat to feed your family. Now a lot of hunting is for antlers and bragging rights. Do the guys that put up the big dollars to buy these tags eat or even touch the meat? Or do they donate it and hunt just for the head to put on the wall and get their pictures in magazines? Animals were put on this Earth along time ago for our ancestors. They used every bit of the animal to eat and make tools, weapons and clothes. Every body hunts for different reasons these days and I respect that. But I don't like it! Don't get me wrong I look for the biggest antlers on the mountain too and I have allot of stuff on my walls. But I Am a trophy hunter until A good looking piece of meat comes by and proud of it. I know I know if you want meat go to the store! well I prefer to go shopping on the mountain with family and friends and get it fresh and process it my self and not pay somebody else to do it.
 
There is a big difference between actually hunting and just shooting a big "Docile Trophy".
Has nothing to do with how much money you have or hunting class warfare.
Using the excuse that it is giving ammunition to the anti's and dividing our hunting heritage is complete nonsense.....
Plain and simple if you do not see the problem you are the problem, and are more destructive to the sport than anyone.

Those of us that would pass on a chance like that even if it was free are real hunters.
Throwing money to agencies to try and win over approval and justification for laziness may fool some.
How anyone could hang an antlered version of a moo cow on the wall and feel proud of themselves is sad, regardless if it cost a million or a cent.
BTW- Here is the butter for your popcorn.
Best,
Jerry
 
"tristate. your so full of it your eyes oar brown, penis size,,, whats in you f head,,,,"


I can tell you what's in my head. A bunch of you are behaving like children because someone else has killed a great big deer. I just came off of a mule deer hunt last week where one of the guides had spotted a big deer after his hunter had shot out. He came back to camp to get another hunter and kill the big deer. An entire camp of hunters, who have been friends for years, melted down into a bunch of kids trying to decide who was going to get the opportunity at the big deer. My brother and I watched in amazement and both of us decided that few things on this earth bring out the worse in a man than big deer. It is absolutely INSANE! Now this guy has done it on antelope island and the website is melting down. Some people are resorting to class warfare. Some are crying about the useless government, and we even have one person calling for the end of hunting in the zone where the deer came from! He might as well send off his membership money to PETA now. My hunting pleasure does not hinge on the success of other hunters. If you think your happiness in the woods is determined by how much money other people spend on hunting or how big their deer was this year compared to yours, YOU HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF BEING A HUNTER!
 
I have to disagree with most of these posts about hunting being a rich mans sport. I see these guys leaning up against their $50,000 diesel truck whining that the price of their deer tag went up $10 this year. Gas prices are high which makes scouting as much difficult but to pay $40 for a deer tag, $30 for an antelope tag and another $60 for an elk tag and I've got myself one hell of a season to look forward to with my son. Don't get me wrong, I play the game for the coveted tags in each state every year but they are so far and few between that hopefully I've been able to save for those higher priced out of state tags. But give me the 3 tags mentioned above and I guarantee I will be having a fun season and knock over a few dandies while I'm out.
 
Zeke,
Seriously? You really voted for Obama???

The fact of the matter is basic economics. When the supply goes down for something and the demand goes up (which are both happening), the price of the item always goes up!
 
>The fact of the matter is
>basic economics. When the
>supply goes down for something
>and the demand goes up
>(which are both happening), the
>price of the item always
>goes up!


Yessir.
 
Too much empasis has been placed on "Trophy" quality. Yes, I am guilty as well. When I first starting hunting 25 years ago, I didn't know what "score" even meant.

We can still get reasonble priced tags that are more than fair in price for public land hunting. There is not a lot out there, but there are opporunities if one is willing to work.

There is so much private land that is locked up that it is getting harder and harder to get away from everyone (at least it is here in Utah). CWMU's are to blame for a lot of it IMO. However, I don't place blame on the landowners. They want to make some $$$ like everyone else...
 
Maybe you boys should move to Canada. The good ol' days are the here and now. And believe it or not, we've got truly wild deer that are just as big as any of those tame AI bucks. Killing them just ain't as easy. But the pursuit is way more fun than the kill. And while I might eat my $15 OTC muley tag after 3 long months of hunting, I will still have a freezer full of amazing meat from all the other critters we've hunted and killed this year.
 
You want to hunt like the Good ol' Days, maybe you should look at moving here. Get a job, pick up and move. Be a resident and you can have the same benefits as me. Just think, you'd get free health care too. ;)
 
Times have changed.

I think the AI buck proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Denny Austed will go down in history as one of the premiere hunters of modern times.

Eel
 
Hell I think BC boy has got it figured out. At least Canada has experience with socialized health care. And anyone who thinks hunts like the Antelope Island hunt are gonna do a damn for the common hunter have got another thing coming. I don,t care that the guy has the money to do it. Good for him. What I do care though is the fact that the way the it has been stated is the animals that live in the United States are here for everyone to enjoy. Not just the rich. Its kinda like the highways and national parks. Those are not limited to the affluent. So why in the hell should places like the Henry Mountains and Antelope island be that way? your options to hunt those areas are the following 1. have Lots of money 2. have started putting in for the draw since before you were born ( im only twenty six so this really is almost true) 3. sell your soul to the devil? Honestly I wish they would get rid of all the trophy hunts. It really in the end decreases hunting opportunity and gives PETA a reason to hate. I wish all hunts were just general season. People care way too much about the antlers now. I mean don't get me wrong they are awesome but really are they worth ridiculous amounts of money. All they are is some calcium attached to a damn animals head.
 
What's wrong with it? These tags don't and can't stop families from still getting out together to hunt. If it's really just about getting out with the family then leave these guys alone that like to spend their hard earned money on their priorities. It gets old with people trying to portray their personal beliefs and opinions on others. To each their own.


Traditional >>>------->
 
Eel- I like you but your wrong.

There are many guys with records actually earned that think what is going on is nothing more than a sick joke.
Behind the scenes are guys padding there wallets after patting him on the back. Yet even they will tell you if honest to compare his exploits with actually hunting is laughable.
The only reason you will never hear it on here or in a group is they want to make more money.
Down with the Clown is more like it.
 
I wish Wyoming had an island with 200" deer on it:) and I wish I owned the island! Then I could sell the deer @ 200k a piece.
 
>What's wrong with it? These tags
>don't and can't stop families
>from still getting out together
>to hunt. If it's really
>just about getting out with
>the family then leave these
>guys alone that like to
>spend their hard earned money
>on their priorities. It gets
>old with people trying to
>portray their personal beliefs and
>opinions on others. To each
>their own.
>
>
>Traditional >>>------->


Easy HC, do you support the SFW?
 
>What's wrong with it? These tags
>don't and can't stop families
>from still getting out together
>to hunt. If it's really
>just about getting out with
>the family then leave these
>guys alone that like to
>spend their hard earned money
>on their priorities. It gets
>old with people trying to
>portray their personal beliefs and
>opinions on others. To each
>their own.
>
>
>Traditional >>>------->


Easy HC, do you support the SFW?
 
Hunting has become harder... A long long long time ago! For the average hunter with traditions they are still available and many opportunities are still out there to hunt and carry on tradition in the state of Utah and all over the country... Its called the general unit hunts and they are still affordable for that very reason.

If you are talking about Limited Entry and trophy hunting and the caliber of deer Antelope Island produces... that is a whole different animal all together because its pretty close to once a lifetime... or every 10 years for LE due to the fact of tradition and many that are envolved and put in for the hunts. It has only become more and more of a rich mans sport due to the fact that more and more people hunt now.

I dont think AI has been open to much hunting in the past either... am i wrong? My point is its great to see animals like this exist! Just be glad for it and the lucky hunter that gets to hunt the unit, and who cares the cost of the tag! You still get to hunt... just not on Antelope Island.

You have to realize there are many many many more people that hunt nowdays than ever before and its harder and harder to please everyone the more people that get envolved. Many people put in for trophy hunts/Limited Entry hunts. Deal with it! Its great that places such as Antelope Island exist that have trophy animals... just because everyone doesnt have the means to hunt it doesnt mean its bad... just appreciate the animals taken from there and be happy! Be glad there are 270" deer out there to be taken!
 
I agree that "hunting" AI is a whole different deal than what most of us do every year for deer hunting.

Here's the rub; the same guys who are biotching about the "hunt" on AI are the ones who look down their noses because it's not a "real hunt". Then why do you give a shiite?

If it's not a real hunt then why the hell do you guys care so much? Jealousy maybe?

There will always be plenty of deer on AI for you to view and plenty of opportunity elsewhere for you to actually hunt wild deer!

Zeke

PS: If you'd give me a tag I'd "hunt" AI just for the fun of it.
 
How many times have we heard the term harvested when it comes to hunting? Would it not be fair to say that this buck was harvested?
If you look up the definition of hunting it will say that it is to pursue game. This animal was pursued and harvested. So what if it was easy? He paid his money and bought his tag and engaged in a legal activity. If a rancher has a huge alfafa field and it is loaded with bucks and he goes out and shoots one opening morning, no one is hating on him and saying what he did is bad for hunting.
The people that are hating on this man for hunting this buck are playing right into the anti hunters hands. You would be the first ones to outlaw someone else's hunt and when they get around to outlawing yours, you will say "how the hell did that happen"?
Much better for the animal to be harvested and enjoyed than to die of old age and become coyote food!
 
No- hunts like this will be the downfall of hunting because the public see's it as it is....A killing of a practically tame deer and then celebrated by a bunch of clowns.
When this is all they see they lump all hunters into that group and believe that is how it is....No wonder the anti groups get larger all the time and it's your group responsible for it.
Big money is buying policy making so called tame hunting possible at the expense of all hunters in the end.
If you cannot see that then you are the problem.

If hunts like this are on the table then why not put truely handicapped hunters who cannot hunt the hills like you and I can into a lottery and let them hunt them.
I think the public would stomach disabled vets or others with disabilities taking a big deer more than an able bodied man with a huge ego doing it.
Jealousy has nothing to do with this discussion. It's laughable that that is brought up every time.
Moo cow with antlers on the wall= Pathetic
 
So any "easy" hunt is not a hunt and the hunters are all a bunch of clowns?
Please explain.

Zeke
 
News Flash-- From the desk of "I-Have-No-Idea-What-Antelope-Island-Is"

Due to budgetary shortfalls Yellowstone National Park has decided to auction one bull elk permit and one bull bison permit. In staying with the theme demonstrated by the Antelope Island hunt in Utah, the regulations for the hunt will ask the shooter, err- hunter, to kill their desired animal within spitting distance of a public park, eg. near the boardwalk of Ole' Faithful.

Also, Glacier National Park is looking at allowing bighorn ram hunting to take place, but shooting can only be done from the Visitor's Center, which will thin out the photograph able rams.

In related news, Sea World is offering an auctioned Killer Whale fishing trip and Disneyland is evaluating the one auction for the privilege of mouse-trapping, but only within the California Adventures. The funds generated will go along way to help paying the light bill and fuel costs for the above operations.

Nice bucks shot out there on Antelope Island. Makes me wonder when UDOT, CHIP, and the Tourism Board will ask for tags to meet their budget shortfalls. Oh wait, the Tourism Board already got 200 tags for the Expo.
 
First, if you haven't been on the island, sorry but you don't understand.
Second, we are going about this all wrong. The state(DWR) will always sell out to the highest bidder. We need to pressure the record books. The books should not take deer from the island any more than they would take them from a high fence hunt. Tell me the difference between an island and a high fence hunt, where are the deer going to go? There is only so much fresh water out there.
Third, if you haven't been out there you have no idea how sad it is to hunt these animals, they aren't eat out of your hand tame, but they are tame. The deer that got killed out there are seen by dozens of guys, every night of the year, it is NOT some big accomplishment to get one, no more than killing that cow out in your pasture.
Last, a guy I work with ran into Doyle and Denny at Tepanyakis(no I can't spell) one night. He said they were obiviously having a good time and after chating them up offered to buy my buddy and friends drinks. He said they were real nice, but obviously having a good time.
This isn't about Doyle, or Denny, its about hunting in a zoo. By the way ever wonder why there hasn't been a push for antelope hunting out there? Guess SFW doesn't have any speedgoaters?


"Your just jealous because _____, so you can't know anything!!"
 
Zeke-If you do not get it you may one day when our rights are taken away from us. Then you can proudly state you had a major part in supporting the cause of it.
Join the clowns in celebrating a docile big deer being paraded around like it was kind of accomplishment.
No matter what you or I say I guess you have made your bed and will "lie" in it.
Best,
Jerry
 
>Zeke-If you do not get it
>you may one day when
>our rights are taken away
>from us. Then you can
>proudly state you had a
>major part in supporting the
>cause of it.
>Join the clowns in celebrating a
>docile big deer being paraded
>around like it was kind
>of accomplishment.
>No matter what you or I
>say I guess you have
>made your bed and will
>"lie" in it.
>Best,
>Jerry

Jerry,
Some day when "I" get it?????????? Really??????

Talk like that is exactly what nobody needs.

You have your opinion and everyone who differs with you is a clown or part of the problem or doesn't have a clue? Only in your world Jerry.

Try not to stomp your feet too much!

Best, Zeke
 
Zeke-
You may want to read all the posts in here...Seems your closer to living in your own world than you may think.
When I see nonsense I will voice my opinion no matter if it hurts your feelers or not.
Best,
Jerry
 
Denny shooting that buck had zero affect on my life. I still woke up this morning and the sun is still shining. Hunting is hunting, the end result is someone pulling the trigger and something hitting the ground; the difficulty of a hunt is personal preference.
 
>News Flash-- From the desk
>of "I-Have-No-Idea-What-Antelope-Island-Is"
>
>Due to budgetary shortfalls Yellowstone National
>Park has decided to auction
>one bull elk permit and
>one bull bison permit.
>In staying with the theme
>demonstrated by the Antelope Island
>hunt in Utah, the regulations
>for the hunt will ask
>the shooter, err- hunter, to
>kill their desired animal within
>spitting distance of a public
>park, eg. near the boardwalk
>of Ole' Faithful.
>
>Also, Glacier National Park is looking
>at allowing bighorn ram hunting
>to take place, but shooting
>can only be done from
>the Visitor's Center, which will
>thin out the photograph able
>rams.
>
>In related news, Sea World is
>offering an auctioned Killer Whale
>fishing trip and Disneyland is
>evaluating the one auction for
>the privilege of mouse-trapping,
>but only within the California
>Adventures. The funds generated
>will go along way to
>help paying the light bill
>and fuel costs for the
>above operations.
>
>
Was John Q Public anywhere around when Denny harvested the buck?
Does John Q Public even know the deer was killed? I don't think so. John Q Public already has his impression of hunters in Cali.
That is why hunting is on the down side there. We hunters need to unite and support all legal forms of hunting and not bicker because a rich guy had money to buy a tag and harvest a huge buck. We don't complain cause Hugh Hefner is rich and has gorgeous babes hanging on his arms. Why complain cause Denny can afford to get a tag and stop this buck from dying of old age and his antlers turn to dust? Better the antlers hang in his trophy room than to just vanish forever.
 
Agreed!!! Hunting is hunting! Be glad it goes on and everyone can hunt!!! Be glad there are places like this and shut up people!!! There are so many Utah hunters that complain when they have it so nice!!! Its like the ones complaining about the taste of theyre food are the ones that have food on the table... so to speak.... Stop acting like a bunch of babies crying about something that doesnt matter! Be happy and respect the animals for what they are... trophys.... and that trophys like the ones on Antelope Island exist and who gives a rats -$$ if it costed a ton of money for the tag!!!! You get to hunt, he gets to hunt, whats the problem????

Reminds me of a similar Island off the coast of California that has produced trophy mule deer as well... I hear theyre removing the herd or have removed the herd from that island, its terrible! So my point is stop complaining!!!! It does no good! Especially when your a hunter complaining about hunting, get ahold of yourself or try a different sport... this sport doesnt need you! I for one am glad for the place and it hasnt effected me one bit and my oportunity to hunt! If some guy wants to pay the money for the hunt let him... my gosh!
 
>Zeke-
>You may want to read all
>the posts in here...Seems your
>closer to living in your
>own world than you may
>think.
>When I see nonsense I will
>voice my opinion no matter
>if it hurts your feelers
>or not.
>Best,
>Jerry

Jerry, jerry, jerry,

Don't flatter yourself by thinking you're going around hurting people's feelings with your OPINION.

You have an opinion (and it's a valid OPINION) but don't surmise that those who differ with you are wrong.

I suspect I do live in my own world when I'm hunting.... but we're forced to live in a world with you and if other's opinions clash they are somehow labled ,by you, as clowns. It seems silly to name-call when your opinion has been voiced and my opinion has been voiced.

Respectfully (but with a different opinion),
Zeke
 
Well the matter is IT DOES affect hunting.Believe it or not way more people don't hunt than do. Their main beef with hunting is "TROPHY" hunting. Most of my buddies who don't hunt have no problem with hunting for meat. But almost all of them have a huge problem with killing for antlers, and that's how they see hunts like this. believe it or not they actually get a vote whether or not we get to hunt. Even though you and me don't see Doyle and Denny as clowns they do. Its not that hunters need to feel like we need to please everyone else but sometimes realizing were not the only ones on the planet with rights to these animals is a good thing.
 
The thing most people dont understand is that most trophy hunters respect the animals quite possibly more than anybody else out there and they know how great the animals are... they spend more time with them, helping them, and know more about them than anybody else... hunting for a trophy and hunting for meat go hand in hand in my eyes! Meat is what they sign up for but the trophy is what they seek... Neither are wasted, or the time spent seeking after them... whether it be a self hunt or with friends and family! Its not like the head hunters keep the antlers and waste the meat. Venison is just as good as the antlers hung on the wall that show respect for the great animal harvested and the memories that were made.
 
I am 65 years old. Certainly, my best hunting days are behind me.

I have killed deer, several times, in places where the pack out made me wish I was ANYWHERE else for several hours. I earned those deer. I have killed elk where I wished I never took the shot.

I have "stalked" a buck 30 yards, who crossed the road a hundred yards ahead of my truck. Funny, it tasted the same as those that tried to kill me back.

After Vietnam, my physical capabilities were limited and I hunted in areas where the physical requirements were not as rigorous.

As I became more financially capable, I played the points game in several states and hunted where my ability and draw luck made hunting the easiest.

I am at a point in my life where I can, if I choose to do so, pay for a VERY nice landowner hunt somewhere, every year. I much prefer finding my own deer, but being in an area where there are limited hunters and more animals, with less physical effort,
does not embarrass me at all.

On down the road, if necessary, I will be looking into a rifle rack for my wheelchair.......and paying somebody to push me into a shooting position. That won't bother me either.

Most of the time, I prefer to hunt with friends and family, and maybe, like this year, never breech a round. It is MY choice.

I have no idea what Mr Austed's history is, but I suspect he can pretty much do whatever he wants as well. I am sure he "earned" that capability.

The high dollar tags have not created less opportunity for regular guys, in the long run. Most of them are NOT deducted from general season quotas and the money, regardless of where it goes, is better than no money at all.

The situation is what it is. The money thing has always existed in this sport and it simply extrapolates as does the economy and the population.

Each guy has to make choices as to what makes him happy, what his capabilities are and where his priorities lie.

You younger, healthier guys, WILL change your outlook later in life, so I would be careful about who you criticize at this point.

You would be better served to accept the fact that we are all different, and just simply do what is best for YOU and let others do what is best for THEM, and get on with your life.

Whining on here, over something that will not change, just makes you look jealous and petty.

"I could agree with you, but then we would both be
wrong......and stupid"
 
Headed towards old age myself, but I personally after truely hunting could not get satisfaction out of whacking easy critters no matter there size....Guess that is the time I hang up my weapons and hang out in camp enjoying watching my kids continue the tradition. That is, if they get the chance the way things are headed.

High dollar tags in fact do cause loss of hunting opportunity for the common hunter.
Look at the Utah and Arizona SFW fiasco's.
Landowner tags take away tag numbers allocated for "public land" hunting units.
Animals that used to frequent public and private land are encouraged through illegal baiting, salting and "cattle drives" right before the season to stay on private...It is done to keep the money flowing and to restrict and change natural animal behavior and habits.
There is pressure every year to try and change baiting,salting, food plot and high fence hunting laws here in the west. So who is actually trying to push there idea of hunting on who?

Guys that plaster big animals taken with little or no effort do not want the regular hunter to know how easy the hunt was. They just want you to see a huge specimen and think they are some type of hunting god.
When called out on it there is instant scrambling for justification and jealousy is thrown out as the reason most do not accept it.
Who seriously can be jealous of a speicimen shot that thousands have photographed from 25' to 100 yards? I guess all the photographers should be considered even better than the so called hunter.
If you do not see where this is leading hunting then you are seriously the problem. Who is actually taking away from the common hunters? Do the math.
Best,
Jerry
 
+1

Nickman,
Your making an awful lot of sense. That generally doesn't fly well around here. lol
 
>Times have changed.
>
>I think the AI buck proves
>beyond a shadow of a
>doubt that Denny Austed will
>go down in history as
>one of the premiere hunters
>of modern times.
>
>Eel

Yup, Denny and Jack O'connor, two peas in a pod!!
"Your just jealous because _____, so you can't know anything!!"
 
>>News Flash-- From the desk
>>of "I-Have-No-Idea-What-Antelope-Island-Is"
>>
>>Due to budgetary shortfalls Yellowstone National
>>Park has decided to auction
>>one bull elk permit and
>>one bull bison permit.
>>In staying with the theme
>>demonstrated by the Antelope Island
>>hunt in Utah, the regulations
>>for the hunt will ask
>>the shooter, err- hunter, to
>>kill their desired animal within
>>spitting distance of a public
>>park, eg. near the boardwalk
>>of Ole' Faithful.
>>
>>Also, Glacier National Park is looking
>>at allowing bighorn ram hunting
>>to take place, but shooting
>>can only be done from
>>the Visitor's Center, which will
>>thin out the photograph able
>>rams.
>>
>>In related news, Sea World is
>>offering an auctioned Killer Whale
>>fishing trip and Disneyland is
>>evaluating the one auction for
>>the privilege of mouse-trapping,
>>but only within the California
>>Adventures. The funds generated
>>will go along way to
>>help paying the light bill
>>and fuel costs for the
>>above operations.
>>
>>
>Was John Q Public anywhere around
>when Denny harvested the buck?
>
>Does John Q Public even know
>the deer was killed? I
>don't think so. John Q
>Public already has his impression
>of hunters in Cali.
>That is why hunting is on
>the down side there. We
>hunters need to unite and
>support all legal forms of
>hunting and not bicker because
>a rich guy had money
>to buy a tag and
>harvest a huge buck.
>We don't complain cause Hugh
>Hefner is rich and has
>gorgeous babes hanging on his
>arms. Why complain cause Denny
>can afford to get a
>tag and stop this buck
>from dying of old age
>and his antlers turn to
>dust? Better the antlers hang
>in his trophy room than
>to just vanish forever.

No, John Q Public was stopped from coming out on that end of the island by the State Parks. Yeah that is right, not only did Denny need a 5 day head start, on an island, hunting paritally tame deer during the rut, but he didn't need any of John Q Public allowed even close, you know kind of like golf, where the gallery is walled off and shut up! No my life wasn't affected by Denny killing this deer, other than I got a chuckle at how far a highly educated and weathly guy needs to go to prove he is a man, AT LEAST until I heard Colorado Buck was out there and I missed it. Now i am depressed, a real life celebrity on my little island and i missed it? Whether you believe anything I have said or not, I believe ol colorado pretty much proved that it is a clown show, complete with its head clown!

"Your just jealous because _____, so you can't know anything!!"
 
Hossblur, you continue to twist truths for your own agenda. That gate is closed to the public 7 day a week until 9 in the morning, before and even after Denny or the state hunter had their hunts. And what does partially tame deer mean, in Hossblurs dictionary?

Yelum
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-12 AT 01:01PM (MST)[p]This place (Antelope Island) is what it is... Its a game preserve... And anyone in the business of managing game animals has to know the benefits of hunting... and this is what they are doing for the Island... No matter how much one might think its a bad thing its not, theyre just ignorant!

Hunting is a key management tool to maintaining a healthy herd when done properly. I believe they know what they are doing out there... I think its obvious by the animals that can be found on the place!

Before youre so against it consider the place without these animals to enjoy?????

This hunt is -NOT- a bad thing... Its good management! It would be bad management to allow the Island to be overrun by too many mule deer for it to hold. By letting them just live there and then die of old age is not good management.

Another option besides hunting would have to be to transplant some animals, but for the money that it can produce by giving out tags why would they????

If they just let the animals live there, grow to old age, and die, there would eventually be too high of a carrying capacity for the area. If you dont know what happens when there are too many animals for an area to hold just look at the history of the AZ, Kiabab unit... During the time of Teddy Roosevelt they declared the area as a game preserve and no hunting was allowed and eventually there became too many animals for the unit to hold and then the numbers crashed... dramatically! Today there is hunting on the unit and its a great unit!

Guys! Hunting is good! Why cant you hunters see this? It has nothing to do with the difficulty of the hunt... Every unit needs to be managed... Just leave it be.

In almost any given area... a certain amount of hunting is a good thing. Nuf said.
 
Yelum,

I believe you have also twisted the truth. Although there are specific access times for the Island. John Q Public can remain on the Island 24 hours a day. State parks does provide traffic control during these hunts from what I am learning to mitigate potential conflicts.


I did wonder why the public hunter was not hunting the same time as the bid hunter. Are their seperate seasons?
 
Mulepacker, you must have misunderstood. Hossblur and I were both referring to the gate that is 3 miles from the ranch that is locked each night about 5, and re--opened in the morning at 9.

Once that gate was open, no control was placed on the public, that is not in place year round.

Yelum
 
the most intersting part about these three threads related to the island is in all three you have the same negative comments by people stating its not a hunt,not a challenge, nor ethical.

I have been a hunting guide for several years now. i was a guide for pig and sheep hunts on a ranch. people pay money to drive a car to a gate, walk less than a mile and shoot their trophy. then they sit back and relax as i dress the animal. load it into a truck and take it to a butcher for them. i have also been a guide for those wanting more of a challenge, going into the high country for a muley or simply going out on a youth hunt to help a newfound hunter shoot a javelina or cow elk. you know, the one thing all these hunts have in common is people are doing it because they enjoy it. there are so many varieties of hunting. bird hunting, rabbit hunting big game. high dollar hunting, archery, rifle, hounds. you name it. no form of legal hunting is better than another.
point being is simple. do your own form of hunting, hike your guts out. of its not a challenge for you then dont do it and quit b*ching about how someone elses hunt is stupid. all you do by complaining is show everyone how close minded you are. we are all out here to have fun with the sport so back off and be respectful.
if there werent "easy" opportunites to get a once in a lifetime trophy, how fair would hunting be to those who are physically limited. since when did the "book of trophies" state you had to hike ten miles for your trophy to count in the books
complaining about one form of hunting is like complaining that a football team has to be made of nothing but quarterbacks. that would really go over well.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-16-12 AT 08:07PM (MST)[p]Nickman you make some great points. Thanks for sharing your opinions based on personal experience. If a guy can afford it then by all means do it. Everyone has opinions and they have the right to them, thats what these forums are for. My opinion is that this hunt is in par with a high fence hunt. It is what it is and tomorrow the sun will come up again. Either way it is a stud of a buck.
 
Nickman, you make good points and make sense until you said that these high dollar tags don't take away from the average public hunter. I would have to disagree. And it will only gets worse in the future as you wealthy folks dump thousands to organizations, outfitters and landowners. For example,think of it this way, when my buddy started hunting Colorado five or six years ago a landowner tag cost him around 600 dollars, its now over 2000 because those with money don't blink an eye in paying that. I imagine in the next couple of years it will be 4000 or more. Thus, someone like me loses any hope of buying that tag. Those tags are lost to me. How the current trend in hunting is going, landowners and outfitters will reserve all there tags for those that will pay insane amounts. For more proof, look at the island tags. Why don't they put both tags into the draw for the general public? The answer is because someone will pay insane amounts of money for it and why pass that up? Right there is one of the best premium tags in the state yanked from the public and put into the hands of the rich.
 
>Nickman, you make good points and
>make sense until you said
>that these high dollar tags
>don't take away from
>the average public hunter.
>I would have to disagree.
>And it will only gets
>worse in the future as
>you wealthy folks dump thousands
>to organizations, outfitters and landowners.
>For example,think of it this
>way, when my buddy started
>hunting Colorado five or six
>years ago a landowner tag
>cost him around 600 dollars,
>its now over 2000 because
>those with money don't blink
>an eye in paying that.
>I imagine in the next
>couple of years it will
>be 4000 or more. Thus,
>someone like me loses any
>hope of buying that tag.
> Those tags are lost
>to me. How the current
>trend in hunting is going,
>landowners and outfitters will reserve
>all there tags for those
>that will pay insane amounts.
>For more proof, look at
>the island tags. Why don't
>they put both tags into
>the draw for the general
>public? The answer is because
>someone will pay insane amounts
>of money for it and
>why pass that up? Right
>there is one of the
>best premium tags in the
>state yanked from the public
>and put into the hands
> of the rich.

Just to clear this up. I am living on about a $20 an hour paycheck. I am by no means, "you wealthy folks"..........


"I could agree with you, but then we would both be
wrong......and stupid"
 
The Antelope Island Posse posed for this pic recently.
After a few minutes in locating and dispatching Walter the incredibly sly sumbtch, the group stated Walter slipped up and made a mistake and stared at them like he has done for years.
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Best,
Jerry
 
Yelum. You are correct the ranch gate closes at night. I was not out there during the "hunt" but it is my understanding that the State Parks did not allow the public where the "hunt" was going in an effort to avoid issues between the two. You can however camp on the island, and use the island long after the ranch gate closes.

My definition of paritally tame deer, your on the island a lot you can see them yourself. The deer out there act like deer on the winter ranges, except they do it year round. I believe this is do to limited fresh water on the island so they are predictable as to where they are and where they are going. The animals until last year hadn't heard gunshots. They don't have nearly as much fear of people as even the deer behind the sewer fence on the way out do. Deer in any range in the west, I mean big, old bucks, are almost noctournal, yet you, I , and dozens of others have pics of these bucks in full light. I don't think, nor did I say they were completely tame. Diamonds pheasant farm is out that way. The pen raised birds they have will eventually fly, but they aren't wild, and there is a difference in them and wild, just as there is a difference in the deer on the island, and the deer Farmington or Bountiful, and for anyone to pretend otherwise is either blind, or dishonest. Yelum, I don't think your either, so I am suprised that you keep acting like you can't see a difference.


"Your just jealous because _____, so you can't know anything!!"
 
I do not usually reply to any threads on here, but have enjoyed reading every blog out there. This is one that has been on my mind for quite some time now. I was born and raised (first 6 years at least) on the Platte River very near the Nebraska Cabelas. Some of my earliest memories were of hunting with my dad, uncles, etc. I remember being a teenage and really starting to get into hunting here in Colorado and remember my Dad talking with my Uncles about having to go out and shoot a doe out of season, and my Dad scaring my Uncle one day as he was out trying to shoot a doe on our place out of season. I remember asking my Mom about it, about the Nebraska Game and Fishing knowing that there were farmers that had shot deer out of season. Her response to me kind of shocked me. She explained to me that if my Dad had not come back with a doe that night, than we would not of had anything to eat the next morning. I then remember what a large amount of deer we use to eat, and how it would be deer sausage in the morning with eggs, with a deer hamburger at lunch and then some deer steak that night. Kids never really know how much they really don't have when they are young, and we were that family. I do remember how much the fall and hunting brought together a community though, and neighbors were not just guys you said hello to, they were partners in a lifestyle where everyone was struggling and everyone helped each other out. Unfortunately those days are over now.

Even after we moved away we were back constantly in the fall chasing deer or ducks/geese. Over the past 30 years I have watched what "money" has done to a place like that. Hunting back then was a chance to provide for your family and although the bucks shot during season were always checked in, they were never paraded through the valley like they are now. It was about going out and enjoying a sport and sharing that experience with your family/friends. Now you go back there and try to get onto one of your old neighbors place and you are greeted with "no hunters this year, have a guy that is leasing the place for 6 grand", or watching Cabelas buy up every river front lot that comes available and putting "hunting clubs" on them. Let this be a lesson to Colorado, with a trend of already large lots of land being sold to guys who are putting hunting clubs together, and land owners using guides against each other in driving up the price of how much they can get to access. Cabelas is moving in, another 2 locations are being built in Denver, its great for gear, but if you hunt within 2 hours of Denver on peoples land that have allowed you access for years, do not be surprised if you are soon not welcomed back.

With that being said, I am not against the governors tags, as to a lucky few out there, $250,000 to them is like $500 to me, and that is fine with me, as long as the money is not squandered. I wish they would put more regulations on it though, and not have an extended season, they should have to hunt when/where we hunt, using the same weapon method during that season as everyone else. A real negative trend I do see is that the DOW offices for each state are starting to see how much money is being spent out there on guided hunts, tag brokers etc. One negative thing about the US government in my opinion is that once the government starts to see large amounts of money being made on something, there is regulations/taxes put in place to make sure they get a good chunk of it. SO....the conclusion to this long winded story is that with these auction hunts as well as these guides/tag brokers/ etc, this is setting a precedent out there that WILL change future regulations and fees and costs for other hunts that very well may drive out the weekend DIY. I have 3 small sons, and getting out in the field is tough, and I sure do not have enough for a guided hunt, but do well enough to possibly afford a land owner tag in the future if I wanted to. But until then, I hunt exclusively public land and was lucky enough to connect on a nice 190? muley this year on public land, so yes, there are still good animals out there on public land if you put in the work. What I really worry about is when my sons are my age, will the public land be so limited and so many public hunters due to increased tags for revenue for the state, that the management of game is no longer there, and it is about how many tags and how much money can be made. The more the DOW's are hurting for money, the more drastic actions will be taken. Does anyone possibly think that large tracts of national forest or BLM at one day could be "leased" to the highest bidder for exclusive hunting rights to it......sure this sounds like an absurd thing, but 30 years ago, when you asked those farmers back in Nebraska if they thought a 1/2 mile of river front property would sell for a million dollars, just so some guy could come from the city a few times a year and shoot a few geese, they would of laughed you off the river.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-12 AT 04:41PM (MST)[p]Oh and one last thing...GREAT BUCK he shot, no other way to see it than that. I know he was a very proud man sitting there, but I personally feel that there is a hole left in a sportsman that uses his money to fill a tag like that, and knows it was not because he put in the hard work and effort. That hole can only be filled by another "governs tag" and another boughten trophy. It is a dangerous thing for a man to lose sight of why he felt so much pride back in the day after killing a great trophy on public land after sometimes years of hard work. That is what got him back the next year, not the size of the rack itself. I believe the guys name was Denny who shot that buck on AI, and although I bet he loves telling that story of that buck, I bet that buck was low down the list of the great trophies of his life though. Probably some 170" muley he caught up to with a couple buddies of his while hunting back in the day. Something like a deer he ran into after 5 or 6 long hot days with little deer and too many other hunters to count, to finally spot an old great deer in the distance and making it happen.

I was lucky enough to take the best deer of my life this year on public land, and as I know I will likely pay for a land owner tag some day, and probably pay for a guided hunt some day and shoot bigger, I know that this deer (Double D as I call him), will be the story I talk about the most. My success was due to a great friend, determination and hard work, not my check book. Although this may be some jealousy talking, I feel a little sorry for this guy, as the hole left behind by putting a price tag on what he probably considered his greatest passion in life. Once you put your true passions in life up for sale, can you really call it a passion after that.

On that note, a big shoutout to MrDoe for bringing his wicked "deer glassing eyes" with him a few weeks back.
 
This is what I dont get with most of the people that are griping about the AI hunt, what does the size of the deer have to do with anything, if the guy had killed a 2 point would their still be all the outrage LOL I bet not, they say its not ethical cause the deer just stand there, have any of you been on a LE unit, A Lot of those deer just stand there and watch you from 100 yards away if not closer, their not always 200" deer but I bet it has happened from time to time, alot dont give a damn that your there, and A lot of them get shot every year. So are the LE units in your crosshairs next.... I dont get it.




Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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>This is what I dont get
>with most of the people
>that are griping about the
>AI hunt, what does the
>size of the deer have
>to do with anything, if
>the guy had killed a
>2 point would their still
>be all the outrage LOL
>I bet not, they say
>its not ethical cause the
>deer just stand there, have
>any of you been on
>a LE unit, A Lot
>of those deer just stand
>there and watch you from
>100 yards away if not
>closer, their not always 200"
>deer but I bet it
>has happened from time to
>time, alot dont give a
>damn that your there, and
>A lot of them get
>shot every year. So
>are the LE units in
>your crosshairs next.... I dont
>get it.
>
>
>
>
>Jake H. SHED OR DEAD
>IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
>
>
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Um Jake who said it's not ethical? I believe people are saying it's not a hunt. Guess what? It's not!

As far as your 2 point argument, lmmfao! The tag was sold with the pretence this would provide a record or trophy buck.

Some want to know why cant this be a draw tag?

Youth hunt?

LE hunt?

Answer, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and greed!!
 
"Some want to know why cant this be a draw tag? Youth hunt? LE hunt?"

uhh, last I checked there was a Draw/LE tag for this hunt.
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"As far as your 2 point argument, lmmfao! The tag was sold with the pretence this would provide a record or trophy buck."

I could give 2 sh!ts what the pretence of the tag was, thats beside the point what if Denny had decided to wack a 2point instead of a big giant buck, would there still be the Uproar, No there wouldnt, the only reason this is an issue is because he paid alot of money to kill a giant buck, would he be an idiot to do as I said, yes he would but thats not my point. The only reason you all have your pantys in a wad is cause he killed a giant. I dont hear you guys complaining about the guy that shoots a 2 point thats lived its whole life in a hay field only to be dumped by someone opening morning of the rifle hunt. Or hell even the 180-200 bucks that come to peoples hay fields every night only to be killed doing what they had been doing all year, The only difference is Denny paid alot more Money and the buck was bigger.
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"Answer, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and greed!!"

Same could be said for all Limited Entry style hunts, Governors tags, Sportsmans tags. In all of these even in the public draw there is a sense of Greed, give me what someone else cant have type of attitude, you are paying more money to hunt in a more controlled hunting exsperiance where you have a better oppurtunity to kill a bigger buck, most of these tags cost more than a General deer tag. The AI hunt is just another version of the above, and there is a Public hunter each year, your odds are sh!t but if you draw you will kill the buck of a life time.


Hell look at the buck in my Signature, a 180+ buck standing less than 400 yards from a heavely traveled road in the Bookcliffs not more than 1 week after the rifle hunt..... Whats the difference.

Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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Killing big bucks doesn't make you a better hunter/person than the other. I don't think Denny is a great hunter, but that's my opinion. Is killing a 250" buck on AI the same as killing a 180" buck on the bookcliffs in sheer accomplishment. No.

But clearly, the emotions of this canned hunt are coming from all of the hunting community, either for or against. I for one think the hunt is a joke, just another way for the state to collect more money, rather than manage the funds they do have. To me, that's what it boils down to. Mismanagement of money, instead of learning how to do more with what they have, they pimp out the very animals we love to hunt.

Like has been said before, what's next? 2, 3, 4, 12 auction tags on AI? At some point, someones gotta toe the line and say enough is enough. Manage your money and quit screwing with our animals.
 
>Killing big bucks doesn't make you
>a better hunter/person than the
>other. I don't think Denny
>is a great hunter, but
>that's my opinion. Is killing
>a 250" buck on AI
>the same as killing a
>180" buck on the bookcliffs
>in sheer accomplishment. No.
>
>But clearly, the emotions of this
>canned hunt are coming from
>all of the hunting community,
>either for or against. I
>for one think the hunt
>is a joke, just another
>way for the state to
>collect more money, rather than
>manage the funds they do
>have. To me, that's what
>it boils down to. Mismanagement
>of money, instead of learning
>how to do more with
>what they have, they pimp
>out the very animals we
>love to hunt.
>
>Like has been said before, what's
>next? 2, 3, 4, 12
>auction tags on AI? At
>some point, someones gotta toe
>the line and say enough
>is enough. Manage your money
>and quit screwing with our
>animals.


X2 Thats a very good point, and thats probably exactly what will happen,
 
Jake said

"uhh, last I checked there was a Draw/LE tag for this hunt"

Jake I stand corrected on that. :) Like you say the draw odds are sh!t.
 
Jake, I don't want there to be a buck hunt, doe hunt, or fawn hunt out there, this isn't a size thing. Lets face it though, do you really think there would have been a push by SFW if there were genetically inferior bucks out there? Come on, this was solely about killing record book bucks by rich dudes, the draw tag was just thrown in.


"Your just jealous because _____, so you can't know anything!!"
 
"do you really think there would have been a push by SFW if there were genetically inferior bucks out there? Come on, this was solely about killing record book bucks by rich dudes, the draw tag was just thrown in."
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Hoss I cant disagree with you on that, but my points go to the guys that are saying its not a hunt due too the fact of how easy it is to kill a Giant buck, when there are giant bucks killed every year that didnt take a whole lot of effort.

I really dont care if they have the hunt or not, but Im not about to bag on the guy wealthy enough to buy the tag, or the guide that is taking advantage of the situation and making money off of it. Its not something I would do personally, if I had the money I dont think I would need mossback or anyone else that wasnt a close friend to go hunting with me.

But to each their own.


Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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