I just caught a poacher

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sonofthesouth

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-13 AT 12:08PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-13 AT 11:56?AM (MST)

I was online just looking around and guess what i found....an outfitter that used a photograph of a buck that I took. He them goes onto say that "obviously the huge muley was photographed and not shot with a rifle". (He just forgets to mention the part where he wasn't the photographer)

First of all, If anyone knows this guy I'm sorry and Secondly, you should tell him that stealing from others no matter what it is.

I can only assume he is doing this to try and convince others of his legitimacy as a sportsman and to show proof of his abilities as a guide and outfitter. Well, I'd say he's accomplished that very well indeed-when I go to his website and I read the things that are on it and then apply that information to fact.... I'm given a very accurate overview of the quality of what he's offering in general i.e., the man is not to be trusted.


http://jonbryan.com/index.php?/archives/405-Pictures-From-Randy-Pfaff,-Outfitter,-Colorado.html

Son
 
yep, one in the same. The photo is several years old now and wasn't taken in Colorado.

Son
 
It makes you question where the guy draws the line when talking to his clients. If you're going to be dishonest about that sort of thing, what are you going to be truthful about?

Son
 
Ive got 30 minutes of video of this buck as well, maybe slightly more. In fact a friend and I were talking about the picture and the outfitter this morning, about the fact that I had emailed the guy about the use of my photo without my permission. During our conversation, the subject of the video came up and I offered to let him use it in one of his upcoming DVD's. He agreed that he'd like to so we shall see.

This buck will always be my personal favorite for a few different reasons.

Son
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-13 AT 03:33PM (MST)[p]"It makes you question where the guy draws the line when talking to his clients. If you're going to be dishonest about that sort of thing, what are you going to be truthful about?"

+1000, very dishonest


By the way that buck is HUGE!!! Did you ever harvest that monster?

Here is a link about this picture from 4 years ago.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b..._thread&om=17819&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes

The original thread about this buck was deleted back in 08. I don't remember what the controversy was. I would sure like to see photos of this buck mounted. It would also be nice to know what it scored as this one my favorite buck pictures ever posted on MM.
 
I was up to the expo a couple of years ago. There was a outfitter from Sas Canada there. When I was looking over his pictures of critters they had taken, I seen a picture of my Brother with his big British Columbia Whitetail that he had taken a few years back. I told the guide that was my brother and he shot the deer in British Columbia not with him. He got ugly and loud, right there at the expo. So do your homework when booking hunts. Pictures don't mean squat.
 
Looks like they are photos he "sent" to an owner/designer of a website. Could be an honest mistake? That pic has been floating around for a while now Son. His e-mail is on there. Maybe you could e-mail him directly.

HOOK 'EM!
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>Looks like they are photos he
>"sent" to an owner/designer of
>a website. Could be an
>honest mistake? That pic has
>been floating around for a
>while now Son. His e-mail
>is on there. Maybe you
>could e-mail him directly.
>
>HOOK 'EM!
>_______________________________________
>
>Since I am frequently asked about
>my religion on this site
>and others, I have created
>a profile that explains my
>beliefs. If you are interested
>in finding out more about
>my faith, please visit the
>link below:
>
>http://mormon.org/me/6RNQ/

Ive thought about that. I also emailed him twice prior to ever coming here and posting anything. Even if it was an honest mistake, he is very aware of the fact that the photo is on his page since he draws attention to it saying "obviously the huge muley was photographed and not shot with a rifle" so to come back and claim that he wasn't aware wouldn't be truthful.

You know what they say, when they raid the whore house they take the piano player too.

Son
 
JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST Son!

Been a while!

Good to hear from you!

People wonder why the Ole cat don't screw around with pictures much?

Same reason Son is aggitated right now!

Happened many years ago!

Some Sawed off SOB back East that calls himself an Outfitter Sportin a Bunch of My Pics!

I put an End to that BS in a Quick Hurry!

Since then Pics are kinda Slim with me!







So?
You think you wanna take My Hi- Capacity Magazines & Assault Rifles Huh?
Just Try taking My American Pride/Rights!


It's been a long hard ride
And I won't lose hope
This is still the place
That we all call home
 
hahaha, it has been a while. I guess it wont surprise you to know that the guy actually responded back to me and has spent the last three hours telling me all about the "big Bucks" he hunts and that if I can afford $8000, I can go after the buck he photographed!
Whats bad is that this guy is actually booking and taking people on hunts. Whats even worse is that If I didn't know better and were serious and sent him the cash he'd take it. He'd take it knowing full well that he's never even seen the buck let me show up there and then lead me around on a wild goose chase with the intent of dismissing it all on some BS excuse as to why we couldn't find him.

Son
 
Hey Son!

Check your PM!

So?
You think you wanna take My Hi- Capacity Magazines & Assault Rifles Huh?
Just Try taking My American Pride/Rights!


It's been a long hard ride
And I won't lose hope
This is still the place
That we all call home
 
This isn't the first time this has been done. Two years ago I was in contact with a guide in Unit 61 in CO. The guy bragged of a couple near 400" bulls his clients killed. He setn me photos that I posted here and it turned out one of the bull's was killed by a MM guy in Idaho.
 
We have one outfitter in my area most of the deer on his site weren't even shot in Ne. or even by him or his clients. They are Wyoming and Colorado deer the mountains should be a give away. I don't know how he came up with the pictures on his site probably the internet.
 
This guy has offered to take me after the buck I photographed for $8000. Maybe I should tell him that 1. I took the photo 5 or 6 years ago and 2. I took it in New Mexico and NOT Colorado?

Son
 
So using your picture for advertising that makes him a poacher??? I would just call him a lying bastard and call him out to the street...
 
"So using your picture for advertising that makes him a poacher??? I would just call him a lying bastard and call him out to the street..."

Yeah, he poached my picture, which is against the law. The fact that he's using it to try and book hunts and lying about the animals he says he's seeing is another issue entirly. So when I said I caught a poacher, thats exactly what I meant.

Son
 
Unbelievable that he is trying to sell you a hunt to go after the deer in the picture. That goes way beyond just poaching your picture and is dishonest beyond belief.

When you first shared pics of that buck in 08 I was in AWE at its size and beauty. I was hopeing you would be able able to harvest it or perhaps you havested it a year or two prior.

Did you or did you not kill this deer? Honesty appreciated.
 
"if so the pic"? I don't understand how some of you guys think. Regardless of wether or or not the buck is dead, its not the reason I came on here and posted the information I posted. I did it because I felt that a person that engages in that sort of activity should be exposed for the fraud and fake that he is. Its offensive to me to then have deerlove demand as if by some weird rule, that I "show the pic".

Thankfully not everyone on this site is like that, thankfully most actually have a little common decency still left in them.

Son
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-13 AT 02:20PM (MST)[p]http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos/6271son1.jpg
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More pics of this deer would be cool to see. This deer you captured on film is simply the coolest looking stud of a buck I have seen. He is a pure king. I have wondered its fate now for 4 years and this post rekindled my couriosity. Pic or no pic , I would love to know if you harvested this beauty. A PM would be great and I will lock the info in my brain and not re-post what you tell me.

heartshot
 
No ones "demanding a pic", shut the outfitter up by sending him a pic of the buck dead, if it's dead?
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-13
>AT 02:20?PM (MST)

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>More pics of this deer would
>be cool to see.
>This deer you captured on
>film is simply the coolest
>looking stud of a buck
>I have seen. He
>is a pure king.
>I have wondered its fate
>now for 4 years and
>this post rekindled my couriosity.
> Pic or no pic
>, I would love to
>know if you harvested this
>beauty. A PM would
>be great and I will
>lock the info in my
>brain and not re-post what
>you tell me.
>
>heartshot

heartshot,
I'll send you a PM when I'm at my PC and not on my iPhone.

Deerlove,
I'm struggling to understand how your mind works. Send a harvest picture to the outfitter so that he'll shut up about a deer he knows nothing about? You've missed the point entirely or you have no idea what you're saying. The outfitter doesn't need anything provided to him to know that he's a crook, nor does the state of the deer no matter what deer it is have anything to do with it. Fact is, I happened to see the photo and discover what it is that this guy is up to. The focus should be the misdeed committed by this guy and ensuring that we do whatever we can to help others to avoid falling victim to scam.

Thats all that I hope to get out of this. In truth, I would have been perfectly happy to not have had to come on MM and bring this buck up at again. Unfortunately, that wasn't an option in my mind, not unless I was willing to let this guy get away with his BS

Son
 
Son, you do realize that buck was just posted again in here very recently (like on the first page of this forum). I also remembered the buck from back in the day and almost said something like "you should ask Sonofthesouth" about that photo.
 
>Son, you do realize that buck
>was just posted again in
>here very recently (like on
>the first page of this
>forum). I also remembered
>the buck from back in
>the day and almost said
>something like "you should ask
>Sonofthesouth" about that photo.
>
Nope, what thread? Thanks.


Son
 
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't have any idea whatsoever.

You know, this is really how I feel about it:

? Pleased that a photo I took of a buck is still popular enough to remain valid even after so much time has passed.
? Surprised for the same reasons.
? Understanding of the fact that people like and want to enjoy a photo of a big buck
? Annoyed when people do that without being honest about how they got the photo or without showing any sort of consideration for a persons property.
? Disappointed and angry when people attempt to steel or fool others while using it in the process.

Son
 
When i saw it I just chuckled cause two legged or four, I never forget a good rack. I agree though people using pics in the manner you describe is not cool.

I have noticed on multiple occasions a buck pic on an outfitters website I knew didn't belong or at least there should an asteric next to.

Makes a guy really nervous to trust an outfitter without some first hand knowledge.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-13 AT 09:08AM (MST)[p]Wrong thread. Not sure how I managed that.
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Threaten to sue him for copyright infringement. If you can prove that buck photo was taken by you, and that he's using it without your permission and using it in an attempt to earn a profit, you'll have a legitimate shot at getting some recourse on this.

That is what'll make a lying POS like this guy think twice before ever doing it again.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-06-13 AT 03:19AM (MST)[p]"During our conversation, the subject of the video came up and I offered to let him use it in one of his upcoming DVD's. He agreed that he'd like to so we shall see."

you're warning others of his dishonesty, yet you're willing to do business with him, in regards to the same animal nonetheless. makes a lot of sense. or, are you trying to set him up? the quoted statement is a bit confusing and contradicting with your attitude towards the guy.
 
The outfitter that Im talking about that would be using it on his DVD's is not the same outfitter that stole the picture. I wouldn't be doing business with the guy that stole.

Son
 
Boy this stuff doesn't surprise me at all.

Last year a guy I know from Nevada(who I used to respect) and was along as a videographer on my 2010 muzzleloader elk hunt in Unit 6A in Arizona, put the photo of the bull I took on his business cards (he had started an AZ guide service) and actually passed them out!

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AND he told the guys he gave them to that it was HIS bull he had taken.

To my knowledge this guy--who had a Unit 6A archery tag last year- has NEVER personally killed a bull in AZ and he took his 2012 tag home unfilled.

When I found out about this, and called him out on it, he went ballistic over the phone and said since he had taken the photo he used on his card (he did take it), he didn't see any problem and that I was an idiot for bringing it up.

Hmm, action like this sure makes me wonder about people!

Don Martin
Arizona Wildlife Outfitters
 
Nice Bull there Don!

What'd He Score?

So?
You think you wanna take My Hi- Capacity Magazines & Assault Rifles Huh?
Just Try taking My American Pride/Rights!


It's been a long hard ride
And I won't lose hope
This is still the place
That we all call home
 
My bull scored (green-gross) 378 2/8 and that was not counting the about 6 3/4 inches of broken off antlers.

Since that hunt I have applied only for antlerless elk tags in AZ. I figure that one good bull per person (if they hunt only on public lands like I have) is plenty, so I'll let the rest of the sportsmen and women who don't have one like this draw those great AZ bull tags!

Don Martin
Arizona Wildlife Outfitters
 
"Since that hunt I have applied only for antlerless elk tags in AZ. I figure that one good bull per person (if they hunt only on public lands like I have) is plenty, so I'll let the rest of the sportsmen and women who don't have one like this draw those great AZ bull tags!"

Thats respectable. Ive kiled a 404 with my bow and could care less to kill another elk but deer??? Thats a different story, I don't think I'll ever stop hunting them ever.

Son
 
When it comes to mule deer I feel the same. I've got 14 bonus points for deer in AZ. Haven't personally taken a mule deer in 25 years. Had a Strip tag a long time ago (11 years) and just didn't see what I wanted. Looked at 36 bucks but brought the tag home.

I'm hopefully going to draw a 13B tag one more time, but if I don't see what I want then I'll bring that tag home too with no regrets.

Then I'll apply for the early westside Kaibab tag and shoot a fat forky or 3 X 3 for meat like most folks do and call it a good time. (I do like wild game meat!)

I've got a pretty good 7 X 5 buck on the wall I got with a muzzleloader many, many years ago so no need for me to shoot something when I get a premium tag just to say I got something.

Of course I'm fortunate in that I get to go and guide on the Arizona Strip (Unit 13B) and Kaibab (12A West)just about every year, so one could say I'm hunting vicariously.

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2009 Kaibab
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2010 13B
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2011 Kaibab
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2012 13B

Don Martin
Arizona Wildlife Outfitters
 
awesome deer, all of them. Even the mass on the last one is pretty incredible!

Son
 

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