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I am always impressed with the size of deer and elk the mossback team produces and I always find myself entertained when watching a clip of his hunts on youtube right up till the end when I see that the buck was surrounded by a army of camo-clad point men and spotters. The buck doesn't have a chance. There are, if I counted right, 16 people in that video sitting by the dead deer! REALLY??!!! 16 PEOPLE!! Sure leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Doesn't seem right to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=YSzO331Qa5w
 
I hunted with mossback on the Henries a few years ago and I can tell you that there were a heck of a lot less guys in our camp (with 3 tag holders) than just about every other non-mossback camps. A high end tag attracts everyone and their yellow dog to help and I personally am okay with that. My brothers and dad were able to come with as well and I have great memories with many people of the hunt.
 
Not a GAWD-DAMNED Ounce of Orange anywhere!:D





The Dew I had for Breakfast wasn't Bad so I had one more for Dessert!:D
 
MB is great at what they do. My buddy just drew Pauns rifle, when he asked me who I would recommend I told him MB. They excel at finding big animals and getting them killed. It may not be for everybody, and that is okay, but you can't argue with their success.

Was that the Governors Tag?

Grizzly

PS. Tristate, please be an adult and respect my wishes that you do not respond to any of my posts. I, in turn, will do you the courtesy of not responding to any of yours. I simply do not wish to converse with you.
 
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The guide is never suppost to touch your downed trophy until the shooter has paid his respects as he sees fit.

I would be pissed the way that guide runs up and yanks that buck around posing for a pic before I even got there.

I guess they feel the buck is more theirs than the shooters.

Using that many guys, you can not call it hunting,, that is just killing. No respect for the game.
 
Back to what has been said on MM many times. As hunters, we're all a bit different and there's a difference between hunts for each hunter. But we're all in the same boat, and that's as advocates for hunting. That said, I really like to hunt alone or just with my wife. It's more laid back and more fun, but perhaps not as successful. But hunting is not a competitive sport for me.

But if I draw the Henry Mtns or the Strip, I'd sure appreciate all the help I could get.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-04-13 AT 08:53PM (MST)[p]Castnshoot,

It's funny, that was the first thing that I thought when I saw him grab the antler and whip it around to show the camera.

I get you're gonna be excited when a deer that big is in front of you but I would bet after all the big bucks Moss has had his hands on over the years he is not nearly as excited as I have been on my kids' bucks they have killed and I would never do that to them.

I have always felt lucky to be the first person to ever touch the animals I've killed and instilled that into my kids and would never take that away from someone else.

Bill

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I, too, noticed he touched the deer first and thought that was bad taste. I also think the hunter gets his hands on it first, out of respect for the hunter and the animal.

If I beat one of my buddies to his animal, I will purposefully wait until he gets there so he can lay his hands on it first.

Glad I'm not the only one who believes that.

Grizzly

PS. Tristate, please be an adult and respect my wishes that you do not respond to any of my posts. I, in turn, will do you the courtesy of not responding to any of yours. I simply do not wish to converse with you.
 
Do they all have their hand out at tip time?

How do you handle that if you are the hunter. Pocket full of hundred dollar bills?

Not my deal, but, if no laws are broken and a good time was had by all, so be it.
 
The shooter grows moss on there back before they get to touch the buck they paid for....Thus Mossback seems fitting.
 
It's certainly not my cup-o-tea but I respect that we're all different and there are lots of ways to enjoy a hunt. 16 guys seems a little much.

Nobody touches my trophies before I do! Unless it's one of my grandkids! LOL

Zeke
 
Heck my boys first two pt at 12 years of age, I asked him and let him have a moment alone with the critter.
 
An argument that is repeated many times on MM. Personally, I'd rather watch a video of a kid get his first buck or an elderly gentleman getting a 180" class buck and to him its the buck he's always wanted after 50 years of hunting. Fair chase is true hunting. All of us have a different definition of what fair chase is. High fence hunting and 16 people chasing one buck does not turn me on. fatrooster.
 
Hey backpackin
Heard through the grapevine you got lucky this year and drew your moose tag. Maybe you ought to hire MB to help you out with that. Gonna need all the help you can get to pack that sucker off the hill.
 
I was just surprised to see the kill shot on camera. Seems 90% of MB videos show a ton of before the shot footage, then go straight to after the shot, leaving out the most important part. Makes you wonder how it really went down (dont ask, dont tell). Guess you can't rely on your client's shooting all of the time.

Is orange required on the Henrys?

Sounds like Doyle did most of the work. All the hunter had to do is pull the trigger of the rifle sitting in the gun vise (or whatever that contraption is), so maybe he deserves to put his hands on it first.

Not my style, but some value the trophy more than the hunt.
 
Who has the little cartoon of the guy flogging the dead horse?

Post it up!

It is amazing to me, how so many people went from crayons to computers.....and skipped everything in between!

"Being an idiot is NOT an art form. Give it up!"
 
T that was a classic, please somebody find that post??? I remember the post about going to the (saddie hawkins dance sp?)
 
holy sh*t that's a lot of people!

I bet a couple guys just tagged along to grab a couple hundos from the hunter. Only things missing in the video were airplanes and the chopper to take the hunter home.
 
Haters gotta Hate!! LOL!

I don't know, but I suspect the majority of those guys are just there because they love chasing the biggest, wild bucks left on Earth. If you're very lucky and Dedicated, the average Chap might pull one tag in your life for the Henry's or the Strip.... and I suspect not a lot of guys would actually send the extra help packing.

To Find and kill even one buck like that in your life, during a regular hunt (not winter range, or peak of rut, with a rifle) is a hell of an accomplishemnt, even if there was an army of help.

I also believe that a big old buck like that can get away at the drop of a hat, hence all the help.....

You can't argue with MB success. They seem to get it done more than anyone, year after year.
 
Gringo, I'm not trying to be a jerk but you've obviously never been to the Henry mountains in Aug/Sept. It doesn't take anything more than eye balls and a pea sized brain to find HUGE bucks there. Nothing against Mossback and his crew either. They seem to get it done not only there but in more challenging areas as well.

NvrEnuf
 
hey SlimShedy

Yep Drew my moose tag with a whopping 3 points! Almost can't believe I am the holder of a Once-in-a-lifetime permit. Guess I can't moan about being unlucky any more. And you're right, when that sucker hits the ground I hope 16 people come crawling out of the wood work to help drag. Did you draw any tags this year?
 
It takes a village to shoot a buck. Someone has to carry the $2,000 spotter, someone has the video camera, someone has to sit to the North and someone to the South. Then someone needs to be on the road to warn (or threaten) other hunters that they have claimed the mountain and someone has to sit in camp so nothing gets stolen. Someone needs to be at the top of the far ridge and someone with the hunter (this person doubles as the rangefinder carrier). Gotta have the hunter and the cook and a person to run to town. Don't forget about the guy who shuttles people here and there in the Razor. That is a dozen right there and we have not put anyone on the West, East, SW, SE, NW, NE. We also forgot the guy who packs the extra batteries for the everyone's radios. The battery guy is usually much larger than some of the high school kids along on the hunt, it takes a lot of muscle to carry that many batteries. Almost missed the guy who has to carry the tape measure. Of course on a guided hunt there will be the guy who collects the fee and everyone will want their tip, especially the battery carrier. Hunting these special hunts sure are special.
 
My son had a permit for the rifle hunt on the Pauns last year. We had seen a 200 class buck. The trouble was that in the areas where the bigger buck were there were more scouts and guides than you could shake a stick at. One was a real arrogant jerk. He came down and placed his fanny right where we were. Only did he move after he saw me go down to his vehicle and look at his license plate. On the Pauns there are more scouts and guides than flies on a fresh cow pie. Oh how I dream about the good O'days when the existence of guides services were few and far between.
 
Glad for you on the moose tag. Give me a call when you kill him and I'll come help you get him out. Got lucky this year too and drew a Wasatch muzzy elk tag. Gonna be a good fall.
 
I dont give a crap how many and all I just think it looks tacky and vane for all the yahoos to be in the picture.
 
2_point, NMPaul, that's funny stuff.

Slimshady, congrats! That should be an awesome hunt. I have a feeling your boss is not going to like you this fall. Make sure you get it all on film!
 
Hunting the way they do is pretty much the same as hunting high fence ranches in texas. Id rather shoot an average muleys on my own than what that fellow did. The way I see it if you gotta have that many people to help you kill a deer than you prolly should just stay home. I wouldnt give those mossback guys one cent of my money.
 
That deer is a stud I don't care that they have 16 people if they can afford to pay em that's fine Doyle is a buiseness man and very good at what he does. I think they should have to bowhunt the animal til his velvet is gone I just hate seeing them shot by rifles in the velvet and I know Doyle isn't the only one who takes clients on these types of hunts all the other good outfitters do to I just think it would be more of a challenge to do it that way. Congrats on a huge deer though.
 
to each his own..not for me...90% of the hunt to me is the preparation and all the scouting that is involved with a great tag..Id rather take a 180" buck that I did on my own than a 200" buck that I did really nothing for..its the tough hunts and trophies earned at the end of the day that make all the memories about that hunt for years to come and reflect on..all about the accomplishment and satisfaction for myself
 
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Great deer! That's a large crowd behind that deer. I'm a little disappointed they didn't do a rendition of their favorite tune (barber shop quartet style) and sing me a few bars of their favorite hymn.
 
What a buck! But I could never hang it on my wall without feeling like it was a museum piece--public property--after a hunt like this. The more I can do for myself, the more satisfaction I have, and I would hate for my contribution to be just a lot of money.
 
For some IT'S as many as it takes.

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nobodys happy unless they are bitching about other peoples success, thats the sad part. Big tags and big deer obviously attract alot of people, not all of the people were "on the hunt" more or less they came down to just see the deer if everything panned out. they all werent paid, just doing it because its what they like to do. I dont post often at all because i dont want to stoop to the level that most of you are on. But come on, if all you are going to do is piss and moan save your keyboard for a post that you can actually be positive about.
 
How many people? I prefer 2! i'd rather go alone than be hunting with three but any more than that, maybe i'd rather pass and go some other place and time. That just me and 40 plus years of finding out for myself what works best for me and my partners hunts.

I get a major kick out of those who complain of guided hunts but participate in all the "Friends and Family" hunts out there with someone on every vantage point and riding every trail on ATV's with there being only one or two tags in the whole group. I see very little difference between these extended family hunts and those that are paid guided hunts. My guess is that many of those "family" guys could have been excellent guides themselves if their careers had not taken them to other places of employment.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Im not bitching bout anyones success. But I would of like to of seen the road where everyone parked to hike to the deer. I bet that looked like a walmart parking lot. That in itself would of been something to see, even if they did all carpool! We can only imagine how many times the guy running the camera was told "hold on" "wait for chuck, larry, danny , mike, crusty sam, bug eyed bob, toothless weasel faced jim, david, brian, and gap tooth marty." THEN "Ah crap Big nose Mcgee didn't make in the shot!" SON OF A BEACH!
The bucks a dandy we are giving you that. But take a look at the masses of people in that picture. I couldn't of gotten 1/2 those guys to any one of the kills I've made in my lifetime with a Huey before it spoiled. That picture is priceless. I personally have NEVER seen anything like that!
It is OK to laugh at ones self sometimes!
 
>nobodys happy unless they are bitching
>about other peoples success, thats
>the sad part. Big
>tags and big deer obviously
>attract alot of people, not
>all of the people were
>"on the hunt" more or
>less they came down to
>just see the deer if
>everything panned out. they all
>werent paid, just doing it
>because its what they like
>to do. I dont post
>often at all because i
>dont want to stoop to
>the level that most of
>you are on. But come
>on, if all you are
>going to do is piss
>and moan save your keyboard
>for a post that you
>can actually be positive about.

+1 No kidding...
>





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