% of mature bucks

schoolhousegrizz

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Has anyone come across any research on how many bucks are 4 years old or older on an average general deer unit. Say for example there are 100 bucks on a unit. How many would be 1.5 years old 2.5 years old 3.5 years old and then how many would be older than that? Thanks for any insight.
 
I looked through the Big Game Annual Report for Utah and they only list bucks per 100 does and the % of bucks that are 3 point or bigger. You should be able to get an idea from those figures even though they aren't very exact. For example, if a unit has 20 bucks per 100 does and 40% are 3pt or better...you'd have 12 2-points and 8 bigger bucks. So maybe 4 bucks that are 3.5 years old, 2 that are 4.5, and 2 still older. Hope that helps a little.
Here's a link to the most recent report - the data you're looking for starts on p. 52.

2011 Big Game Annual Report
 
Just So You know!

In TARDville on the General Units that is a VERY LOW number/Percentage!




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Thanks for the info
I was reading a book by David Long and he mentioned a study where 8 bucks were radio collared. 3 years later only one buck was still alive. This study was done on a general unit. In his expert opinion he believes that 80% of bucks that reach 5 years of age die of old age and are never taken by a hunter.
 
Here's the Problem with the General Unit where I live/Hunt:

Take 80% of Bucks that live past age 5 & what do you have?

A Number so low I can't Type it!




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We were talking about this last week here in Idaho, If there are 100 buck fawns we think that 80 of the bucks don't have the genetics to reach 180"
So now your starting with only 20 of the deer that get "BIG"(I think a 160" buck on a general unit is BIG by the way)
Of those 20 deer 15 will be die for one reason or another before they get to age 4.
Now your down to 5 bucks that might get to 180 out of 100 bucks?
 
It would be simple to find out if the deer check stations would compile a record on how many 2x,3x,4x,5x,etc was taken in each unit the % taken would offer up the data so you could see what % of 4x and larger was taken every year, Not it wouldn't tell how many was older or younger.

California has it in their units and you can see what has been taken for several years in a row.

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Even in some of the best general units 60% of your bucks are probably fawn or yearling bucks. This seems to be the case in the southern region units of Utah. I think 20-30% of the bucks are 2-3 year olds, and probably 10% or less are 4 year olds.The area I hunt has a history of great genetics, but even so, bucks that live beyond 5 years old are dang few. To get accurate data, you can't use the number of points a buck has to determine age. I saw a buck a couple weeks ago that was a 2x3 that had pipe mass, towering antlers, and the body the size of a steer. I think he was at least 5-6 years old.This is proof that even if a buck reaches 5-6 doesn't mean he will have a record set of antlers.A hunter needs to rely more on his own experience in the field, and less on scientific models.
 
I'll agree with cabinfever!

And............!

If a PISSCUTTER Buck with PISSCUTTER Genetics could live to age 12 He'd still be JUNK!

Takes more than just Age Boys!

Genetics help!

Body Size(Genetics again!) Helps!

How bout a Herd that isn't Harassed 25/8/366?

How bout Money/Greed not knockin every last Good Buck left in the State off his feet every Damn year?

Then they gotta Live through Poachin Season!

They gotta live past age 4 with todays Traffic?

JUDAS!








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My biggest trophy is the 3x3 with the 9 inch spread, and 9 inch tall antlers. The deer was huge body wise, bigger then my biggest horned buck. Based off his teeth he was 7 years old. Horrible genetics or regression, anyways I took a old mature buck with tiny horns, they had decent bases but no mass on the horns at all.
 
>We were talking about this last
>week here in Idaho, If
>there are 100 buck fawns
>we think that 80 of
>the bucks don't have the
>genetics to reach 180"
>So now your starting with only
>20 of the deer that
>get "BIG"(I think a 160"
>buck on a general unit
>is BIG by the way)
>
>Of those 20 deer 15 will
>be die for one reason
>or another before they get
>to age 4.
>Now your down to 5 bucks
>that might get to 180
>out of 100 bucks?

Sounds about right!
 

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