Taker or No?
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jarheadhunter
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Don't know what he would score, but he would be dead. Or at least I would try real hard.
groundhog999
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I would take him, those deep back splits add up nicely
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mickeymouseoutfitters
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Only if you couldn't find anything bigger.
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I'm not one for telling my grandson how big of turd I had to pinch off from having to eat so much meat. I want to give him the antlers that hang from my wall and tell him the unforgettable experience that came with each and every one.
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I'm not one for telling my grandson how big of turd I had to pinch off from having to eat so much meat. I want to give him the antlers that hang from my wall and tell him the unforgettable experience that came with each and every one.
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-13 AT 09:46AM (MST)[p]Low 180's. Great forks and very symmetrical. Pretty buck. Doesn't look very old, but can't tell much from those pics. I agree with Tristate- put him in your back pocket. You already know he's 2 or 3 down from the top of your list. 27"-28" wide.
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This is a great buck! At first glance he appears light, but I think that is because he forks so low on the frame. I believe he is pushing 30 inches (outside) and will gross mid 190s. Not being an outfitter, with clients (tags) guaranteed for this zone down the road, I would have to take this deer RIGHT NOW, especially as I love a big typical.
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Tristate said:
"Very interesting deer. I am assuming you got to look at him for a while. What would you age him at? Depending on that he may very well be a taker. Definitely one to keep an eye on and in your back pocket at the very least."
2 yrs?
5 yrs?
20 yrs?
47 months?
I'm curious how you would even begin to guess at his age. Without having a LOT of expertise and his jawbone in your hand you couldn't even start. And the only way you could be very accurate would be with a section of his tooth under a microscope. Both will be difficult until he is dead.
"Very interesting deer. I am assuming you got to look at him for a while. What would you age him at? Depending on that he may very well be a taker. Definitely one to keep an eye on and in your back pocket at the very least."
2 yrs?
5 yrs?
20 yrs?
47 months?
I'm curious how you would even begin to guess at his age. Without having a LOT of expertise and his jawbone in your hand you couldn't even start. And the only way you could be very accurate would be with a section of his tooth under a microscope. Both will be difficult until he is dead.
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"I'm curious how you would even begin to guess at his age."
A lot of experience looking at deer, which I believe the gentleman that posted this does have.
" Without having a LOT of expertise and his jawbone in your hand you couldn't even start."
Yes you can. With some practice just about anyone can start "aging" deer on the hoof. No different than a rancher eyeballing a calf at the sale. I am not saying that you can tell if the deer is 47 months old, but you can tell if he is in a specific age class. For example on the hoof you should be able to tell if a buck is 0-2 years, 2-5 years, 5-7 years, and 7+ years in age. This can actually aid you with conservation and management.
"And the only way you could be very accurate would be with a section of his tooth under a microscope. Both will be difficult until he is dead."
Actually tooth cross sections in deer are still under debate as to the accuracy of their findings so they are not exact either. The best tool for aging deer is still collected trend data within a specific set region on dead individuals. People tend not to like this because it is labor intensive data recovery and it only becomes more and more accurate over time for a specific population. Every one still wants the silver bullet for aging animals but unfortunately it does not exist.
A lot of experience looking at deer, which I believe the gentleman that posted this does have.
" Without having a LOT of expertise and his jawbone in your hand you couldn't even start."
Yes you can. With some practice just about anyone can start "aging" deer on the hoof. No different than a rancher eyeballing a calf at the sale. I am not saying that you can tell if the deer is 47 months old, but you can tell if he is in a specific age class. For example on the hoof you should be able to tell if a buck is 0-2 years, 2-5 years, 5-7 years, and 7+ years in age. This can actually aid you with conservation and management.
"And the only way you could be very accurate would be with a section of his tooth under a microscope. Both will be difficult until he is dead."
Actually tooth cross sections in deer are still under debate as to the accuracy of their findings so they are not exact either. The best tool for aging deer is still collected trend data within a specific set region on dead individuals. People tend not to like this because it is labor intensive data recovery and it only becomes more and more accurate over time for a specific population. Every one still wants the silver bullet for aging animals but unfortunately it does not exist.
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Tristate, here's a big difference between "age classes" and "age". Just saying.
I don't want a silver bullet to aging mule deer. Your age CLASSES are ok by me. He's either a young buck, a buck in his prime or an older buck. That's as far as I'm willing to believe ANY HUNTER's guess from spotting scope distance regardless of how much "experience" he may have.
This buck is a mature buck at or near his prime. And he would be dead if I had a pin on him tonight. Enjoy.
I don't want a silver bullet to aging mule deer. Your age CLASSES are ok by me. He's either a young buck, a buck in his prime or an older buck. That's as far as I'm willing to believe ANY HUNTER's guess from spotting scope distance regardless of how much "experience" he may have.
This buck is a mature buck at or near his prime. And he would be dead if I had a pin on him tonight. Enjoy.
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LAST EDITED ON Aug-14-13 AT 02:46PM (MST)[p]Boom, Boom, Bang, Pow, Kazap!!! Questions like this??
Is there ever ANY buck posted here that general run of guys wouldn't shoot? Seems to me that most here will shoot any buck so when you ask about a decent deer they think you must be nuts for asking. Try posting a pic of a nice Forky, "heck yea i'm gunna bust that buck, BOOM!, me likes big Forkys!" Of coarse they're gonna try to shoot that nice buck and anybody that might get in their way while trying to do so.lol
Me, yeah, i prolly shoot that buck
...but i believe i've passed up bigger than that, couple over 30", on some really good hunts and having the time to maybe find the buck of a lifetime.
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Is there ever ANY buck posted here that general run of guys wouldn't shoot? Seems to me that most here will shoot any buck so when you ask about a decent deer they think you must be nuts for asking. Try posting a pic of a nice Forky, "heck yea i'm gunna bust that buck, BOOM!, me likes big Forkys!" Of coarse they're gonna try to shoot that nice buck and anybody that might get in their way while trying to do so.lol
Me, yeah, i prolly shoot that buck
...but i believe i've passed up bigger than that, couple over 30", on some really good hunts and having the time to maybe find the buck of a lifetime. Joey
"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
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You see he's got a bit of a "Roman Nose". Do you guys think that gives any indication of age?
I personally think this buck is in his prime, probably 4-6 years old. He was a big bodied slug. I think he might have some 13" tines up there too.
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I personally think this buck is in his prime, probably 4-6 years old. He was a big bodied slug. I think he might have some 13" tines up there too.
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Zeke
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Mid to high 180's (maybe pushing 190 really hard), older class, mature buck, deep forks plus an inline.
I wouldn't think too long before I shot him (about 1/2 second after I got a clean look).
As I walked up on him I'd feel no disappointment at all!
That's a fine buck there Mr Founder.
Zeke
I wouldn't think too long before I shot him (about 1/2 second after I got a clean look).
As I walked up on him I'd feel no disappointment at all!
That's a fine buck there Mr Founder.
Zeke
Tristate
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The roman nose is typically a sign of maturity in deer from south and west Texas whitetailed deer. I am not saying this deer is not very old because he may very well be. You got to look at him a lot more than the three pics I get blessed with here. By the way keep'em coming. Nothing brightens my day like a little horn porn.
Many mule deer as they age there frontal bones of their skull tend to widen and thicken so they will often look like they have a very wide head between their eyes and pedicles. Also their nose pads often become fleshier and wider witch will accentuate that tiny cleft at the bottom of their nose pad. Also look for a big sagging neck roll under their chin. Of course this isn't exact science but often a combination of these traits is a good indicator of advanced age.
There are a lot of great deer that get shot that aren't as old as we think they are and if they could have lived one more year they could have been world class. I am not saying this is one of those cases. I am just trying to help.
Many mule deer as they age there frontal bones of their skull tend to widen and thicken so they will often look like they have a very wide head between their eyes and pedicles. Also their nose pads often become fleshier and wider witch will accentuate that tiny cleft at the bottom of their nose pad. Also look for a big sagging neck roll under their chin. Of course this isn't exact science but often a combination of these traits is a good indicator of advanced age.
There are a lot of great deer that get shot that aren't as old as we think they are and if they could have lived one more year they could have been world class. I am not saying this is one of those cases. I am just trying to help.
nripepi
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Definite taker in my book with any weapon. I think he gets to 190 gross with the inline. I aged him at 5.2 years old during the video, give or take 0.1 years. check out the video, you can see him much better than the pics I think:
http://www.monsterhuntclips.com/video/2256/Two-Big-Bucks--Founders-Webcast
http://www.monsterhuntclips.com/video/2256/Two-Big-Bucks--Founders-Webcast
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bigelkbrad
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go get him Brian. Beauty!! I bet he's bigger next year. I wouldn't wait tho. 27 inches 175. Let us know the truth..
muleywhisperer
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No thank you, I would pass. I've read on this forum that the Utah city bucks are way bigger and taste so much better when shot over a hundred yards with a bow than those pisscutting country bucks.... But thanks for asking!
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Anyone who knows muleys would shoot this guy in a heartbeat. That is unless they are in the Henry's or ai units or you have a bigger one spotted. Keel eem!
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Is a ducks butt water tight? YES!!! And that's my answer to your question.
