This is ridiculous!

trophymuley

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So here we are 3 weeks into the archery season. As always a few city deer end up disappearing. A malicious post has seemed to spike the amount of illegal city hunters in the area. For the past three years i have enjoyed watching two specific deer well within city limits and have been lucky enough to pick up sheds off of these deer. One of these deer has never set foot in property that is legal to hunt. The other has only gone into legal hunting area during the rut after all hunts are over. I have been able to watch them at least two to three times a week since sep of 2012. This is a picture I took of them a week before the hunt.

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Seven days after the hunt I received a picture of one of these deer shot. The hunter claiming it was shot more than ten miles from where he lived. A deer that has not left a three block radius in over 5 months.

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I had a buddy of mine call me up with the sad news that his partner was literally bedded on his mothers front porch oozing from a bad shot by another archer hunting in an area that is rendered illegal. Here is a photo of him wounded, shot high behind the lungs, standing at the back door of the hospital he lives by. the picture was taken with a phone at less than ten yards.

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After calling the police to ask if something can be done to aid this buck before he dies of infection ( whether it be put him out of his misery or send him to a licensed vet) they told me the hunter had called in claiming he was shot out of city limits and if he was found dead to let him know so he could tag it. I told her the deer has not left city limits since it was born and all she had to say was "I'm not going to argue with you" What boggles My mind is since when are photos and personal whiteness of multiple people not enough evidence to prove that these deer were illegally shot? If they were killed legally then cudos to the guy that shot the pet at ten yards. But seriously? When you hustle a shot off in city limits and wound a deer and it goes bedding on people's from porches all you do is make a bad name for hunters. It is ridiculous and sad to see that the local deer that so many of us passionately watch are illegally killed.
The fish and game have limited resources and it is our job as ethical sportsman to put a stop to this crap! Just because its hunting season doesn't mean shooting a deer illegally in city limits isn't poaching. Make an effort to let the local fish and game get flooded with calls when you guys see this crap happening
More poaching happens under the disguise of hunting season. There is nothing wrong with asking a suspicious hunter to show you his hunting license and I D. on multiple occasions i have found myself on multiple occasions playing investigator and watching suspicious activity to protect wildlife If enough of us actually do this it would make a difference.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been waste
 
My buddy has had these bucks living in and around his yard for the past month and a half. He looks proud in his "hero" photo. Unfortunately he will get away with it.
 
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Elkassassin, I think there are plenty of us that know the buck and its habits well enough to get the shooter of the top buck nailed. Just looking at the picture of him holding the buck pisses me off. I'm all for getting a group and going to F&G to see what we can get done. Piece of trash deserves to get hammered.
 
Isn't the deer in the middle picture leading the Big Buck Contest at the local sporting goods store? That's the rumor going around town.

Hopefully something will come of it and that guy will be made an example of.

Grizzly

PS. Tristate, please be an adult and respect my wishes that you do not respond to any of my posts. I, in turn, will do you the courtesy of not responding to any of yours. I simply do not wish to converse with you.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-03-13 AT 10:40PM (MST)[p]but but archery hunters are so ethical and moral.

Obviously the hunter didn't take a 100 yard shot at that wounded buck or it would of died on the spot because 100 yard archery shots are easy, no one ever misses at 100+ yards, just ask them. They practice 24/7 365 10 hours a day.
 
If the a-hole who poached this buck did enter into a contest in which a prize may be awarded then the penalty for his idiocy just increased tenfold and he may be charged with fraud as well as with poaching if the evidence can be mounted against him. As you have said, there are few actions more damning to hunters than this and I hope that he gets nailed--hard--in prison.
 
He did enter it in the buck contest and claims it was shot out of his boat on the opposite end of the valley. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it still considered illegal to shoot out of a boat. Do t you have to be on land first?"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13 AT 00:46AM (MST)[p]Here is a photo of "narrows" shed from last year. As you can tell they don't have much color because he's a city deer.
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(I already know I look like a crack head in this picture)
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
Ya!

Well!

I've seen the same kinda BS happen around here for years!

A well known Buck or Bull just Distapears & then 6-8 Months later you here:Hey,did you hear about that Buck/Bull that Joe Blow got last Fall?(Funny how nothing was heard until 6-8 months later in a small town!)

Shot out of a Boat huh?

The Boat the Blind?

The Boat,The House,The Shed,The Car,Uh Huh!

If I have to shoot the Town Pet just to get my Mug Shot on the Internet I'm gonna pass!

Sounds like a Nervy Bastard to enter it in a Contest too?

Well!

I'll Shut up now!

Probably get threatened with another MM LawSuit before it's over with!




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LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13 AT 01:42AM (MST)[p]The person who shot narrows is equally as retarded if he's going to give his name and info to the police and claim it was shot on the foot hills a good mile away from anywhere he has set foot. He hasn't left a three block radius in 4 months and hasn't been outside an eight by four block square his entire life. I also forgot to mention the day before he was shot I saw him within 300 yards of where the picture was taken on the hospital back door. Really convenient that the deer magically appeared a half mile out of his travel zone then somehow winds up back at the hospital back door all within a twelve hour window "I believe what the shooter is saying" said no cop EVER!
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
That see me see me I'm the best thing will make guys do dumb ##### every time. I hope they are both caught and fined to the max.
Both are fine bucks.

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"Take your accusations to the DWR."

Yea, my thoughts exactly. You come on MM to vent? Take that energy along with all the evidence you can drum up, and sit down with your local CO.
 
Like nobody from the UDWR checks MM for Info!

GEEZUS!

Vent away!

It's OK!

Or?

Maybe the Whole Thread will be NUKED because somebody Posted Evidence?

These Pet Deer being Illegally Harvested is Total BS!

Kids!

Teenagers!

Middle aged people!

Even Old Wore out Beat up Bastards like myself kinda like seeing a decent Buck once in a Great while!

And NOT in the Hands of some Law Breakin Biittcch neither!






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Shotgun1 I hope they nail these bastards and they get the book thrown at them.
I do however have a problem with you going off on archery hunter's. I have been hunting with archery tackle for 22 years and I have made bad shots at 20 yards in my younger years and have made perfect shots over 60 yards. You coming on here and bad mouthing archers is not helping the sport of hunting. There are tards behind bows, rifles, muzzle loaders and cross bows for that matter. Please be a bit more respectful to hunters and definitely don't associate these douche bags in above pictures with me.
 
The only challenge these d-bags had was making sure no one saw them when they did the deed. Really something to be proud of. Killing those pet deer would be as challenging as shooting someone's dog in their backyard.

Crap like this turns non-hunters into anti-hunters.

Crack-head? Not you, Trophymuley. You look more like a pot-head! J/K! The guy in the first pic looks like the crack-head.

Those pukes should be ashamed-not proud. How disgraceful to the hunting community.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13 AT 10:19AM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13
>AT 00:46?AM (MST)

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>Here is a photo of "narrows"
>shed from last year. As
>you can tell they don't
>have much color because he's
>a city deer.
>
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>(I already know I look like
>a crack head in this
>picture)
>"I've hunted almost every day of
>my life, The rest have
>been wasted"

All we are missing in this pic is a duck call..... Terry
 
At least he did't shoot it with a high powered rifle. I had some idiots just across the hollow from my house last year.






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I'm not one for telling my grandson how big of turd I had to pinch off from having to eat so much meat. I want to give him the antlers that hang from my wall and tell him the unforgettable experience that came with each and every one.
 
If you are serious about this situation then take it to the DWR. Posting this information is only going to give them a plan to put doubt in the story and they will get off. Bb posting this info prematurely it allows all kinds of variations to the story. If they poached it I hope the get busted. Then come on hear and post the story after they get caught.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13
>AT 10:19?AM (MST)

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>>LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13
>>AT 00:46?AM (MST)

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>>Here is a photo of "narrows"
>>shed from last year. As
>>you can tell they don't
>>have much color because he's
>>a city deer.
>>
3893image.jpg

>>(I already know I look like
>>a crack head in this
>>picture)
>>"I've hunted almost every day of
>>my life, The rest have
>>been wasted"
>
>All we are missing in this
>pic is a duck call.....
>Terry


+1 LOL
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13 AT 11:10AM (MST)[p]Hindquarters,

Generally speaking I agree with Shotguns sentiments. Some of the most fantastic people I know are archery hunters. I doubt he is talking about you, but your crew needs to be reminded not all is well, and you guys are doing a lot of damage with the city dwellers. It would just be nice if one archer out there could smell his own stink.
 
I've got some more fuel for the fire on this debate. I was talking with my taxi last year and he was currently mounting a nice 170 class deer that was arrowed right by a mailbox in city limits in Mapleton. Someone saw him do it and called the DWR. After a bunch of back and forth with them the law that required the hunter to be in possession of the game that he killed trumped the law against shooting an animal in city limits so he got to keep the deer! In fact the law required him to keep it. He paid a nominal fine for the shooting in city limits infraction but was having his deer mounted. So good luck trying to nail dip shiz toothless meth head in this photo.
 
Too bad law enforcement didn't ask the guy to show them the blood trail outside of the city limits.
 
What's enraging about this, is we've all had opportunities to do something similar, but have had some shred of character and integrity to abide by the rules created. Then you get some tard that could care less, lies, basically poaches, and gets away with it. Amazing.
 
In alaska, I hear they will drag you back into the bush just to confirm the amount of meat you left between the ribs. I certainly would think that some forensic evidence could be analyzed.

That first guy, certainly has a "look" to him. I wonder if he bow hunts because legally he can't own a gun?
 
>Wheres the gut pile??

In most cases like these!

The Gut pile was on the Back Lawn!




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LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-13 AT 01:56PM (MST)[p]Shooting a bow in many towns is not illegal. There are plenty of places that don't look down on that sort of thing.

Just like a lot of people don't look down on feeding a big buck a bucket of apples every day for a month before season.
 
SmellyBuck, you are the one who stinks (pun intended). I still think you are lumping archery hunters together just because we carry a bow. If you read the post by mickeymouseoutfitter he said someone was using a rifle in town. Its not the type of hunter, archery, rifle, or muzzle. Its the type of person, Douche bag or ethical. The only reason its more associated with archery is because these douche bags can get away with it without the "BANG" in town. Your reply to me just goes to show you are naive to say it is "Archery Hunters" and "my crew". I believe in fair chase, I have never hunted big game with rifle or muzzle because I love the challenge using my bow. Shooting a buck in town is not a challenge.
 
It always cracks me up when people take ownership, so to speak, over "town" bucks. It takes place all over the west and it seems like guy(s) get fascinated with them almost to the point of borderline obsession. They act like the own it and it's their pet. That being said there is another type of guy that sees these "town" bucks as an easy score on usually not too bad of a rack. Sometimes like in this story those two sides collide.

If the guy shot it illegally, as in bow hunting is not allowed in that town, then he should pay the consequences. If not, who gives a chit. There will always be more "town" bucks for the guys to obsess over. Lets be honest most of these obsessed guys dream about having their pet "town" buck on their wall and get pissed when someone else does it.

Funny stuff.
 
now assassin this is the big city, they don't have gut piles in the back yard like we do. they don't shoot till they are in the street,,,,, don't you anything,,???
 
if that's the guys house in the back ground' let him have it, looks like he has been eating skunk all summer,
 
"Take your accusations to the DWR". Also, good, but in the end it will take hunters, not law enforcement to end this sort of behavior simply by making it clear that we support what is right and shun that which is not. There are still some who view "fish cops" as the enemy rather than the ally, and honest hunters need to make it clear that regulation is in our own best interest and not simply a matter of government overstepping its bounds.
 
This is not a DWR issue, it is a police issue.

The DWR would be concerned if he had a valid tag for the area. If he did, it is not a poaching issue.

The police issue could come in to play for shooting within city limits, depending on the city ordinances.


Poaching - not guilty

Shooting within city limits - perhaps guilty
 
The gut pile is still in the deer (read about the photo of the buck at the hospital.) The shooter said he shot it out of town. He called the police dept. so they can inform him when it yields to infection and he can collect his mighty trophy. There never will be a gut pile. It will die and the guy gets the horns. Congrats to the hunter.
 
Hind,

Sorry I hit a nerve. I don't lump archers in regards to ethics. I didn't mean to put you there.

I do lump archers as another special interest group who has been pretty successful at getting perks by selling the idea that they have little impact on the herd and are in some way a superior bunch to other hunters. I don't buy it, especially when I see posts like this. It makes me wonder why archery is given so much preferential treatment. Archers have plenty of impact on the herd even though they have a lower tag rate and there are strong indications that it's a more wasteful approach.
 
Smellybuck, everyone who has a tag has an impact on the herd. What special perks are you talking about? What preferential treatment are you talking about? The bottom line is archery is a lower success rate than muzzle or rifle and we have a lower number of tags than both. So if you run the numbers we do have the least impact on the herds. Also what strong indicators do you have to say it is a wasteful approach?
Smellybuck I am not trying to argue I just want to know your stance here.

Hindquarters
 
I know a lot of people that would pay the $75 fine for shooting in city limits to kill a deer like that! Just saying





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I think you should go use your intimate knowledge of these deer and the area they frequent and get some real evidence. Posting pics and claiming one side of some story is not the way to go about it. If these people are guilty of a crime they should be punished but it should be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
What were the reactions of the people you approached when you told them they looked suspicious to you and you needed to see their ID and hunting license? Did they get a good laugh out of it like I did? Just wondering. Keep up the good fight!
 
Utah needs to auction a city tag to sell 1 buck/year to the highest bidder...any buck that exists within any city limits within the State wether it be on public or private!
 
I'd rather have someone shoot these deer in town than have them get hit by a car. Btw, that is either the smartest deer ever, or the dumbest.....to go straight to the hospital after being shot, super smart! Going to a people hospital instead or a critter hospital, super dumb. Maybe it's for the best that he has been taken out of gene pool.
 
huntersrwg, your hearsay "fuel for the fire" story adds what to this issue? Only proves that you believe everything you hear second, third or fourth handed? Are from Mapleton, did you see it happen, do you know the guy that supposedly shot the 170"er? Come on little camper don't be talkin' chit about stuff unless you know all about it.

On another note, there is a very distinct difference between town deer and deer that are in neighborhoods built in the foothills. For instance all the upper east side communities all along the Front that have shot up over the past twenty years... Home owners that cry about deer eating their flowers....when their neighborhood is built on the last remaining winter range get no sympathy from me. However, deer that are in agricultural/residential areas within city limits, that are far beyond the migration routes should be, in my humble redneck opinion be fair game. Then again, I'm not real warm and fuzzy with the thought of a pile of trigger happy "trophy hunters" road hunting through residential areas. Hmmm, quite the quandary. But I'm sure the brain trust here at MM will have this all sorted out soon enough.

Good luck to everyone this hunting season.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-13 AT 01:24AM (MST)[p]
Trust me I've been in contact with the local Dwr officer trying to figure out a better solution to these loopholes there is a huge amount of evidence that has been handed over to proper authorities. I took the time to track down names to both the people who shot both deer. (Neither of them made it difficult) the police department would not tell me the name of the person who called in on their wounded deer but passing the information to police and Dwr they will get together with the info. As well as an update
The buck wounded on the back porch of the hospital was put down today with a shotgun by local police. A man called to complain about a deer oozing and stinking on his porch so they came and finished him off. The hunter who shot the deer did not gain possession of the head. It will either be incinerated or auctioned with all the other animals that fall into this category. I understand that everyone has there personal view and opinion about shooting these deer but really does anyone benefit from a waisted animal with sentimental connection to a community? I understand the feeling of wounding and losing an animal it really sucks and makes you feel like complete dog sh!t. but if it were a citable offense to wound an animal I'm sure a lot more people would be inclined to turn down a risky shot and wait for the opportune moment. Of course you would still have idiots who do it but that's the point of laws. To make examples out of rule breakers and stop unethical behavior. Yes you are trying to harvest an animal but the resposnsability of taking an animals life should never be taken lightly!

My purpose in posting this was not to "fuel the fire" but to give a nudge to as many as possible to do their part in helping out the Dwr and to push for a more responsible and ethical plane of hunting.

Going to the local news would just enrage anti hunters and then we would have a real mess having the police and dwr called over our every moves. But socializing on a site filled with fellow hunters is the perfect place to push for such help.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
Gotta be one of the funniest threads on here in a while. Have any of yall read "Lord of the Flies"?
 
I hope this is all taken to the DWR, seems like it has been now maybe... I hope it gets worked out and the poachers are caught and prosecuted.

In regards to asking a "suspicious hunter" to show you his hunting license and I.D., has anyone ever actually whipped either of those out..?? They have no obligation to show a random dude anything, or even acknowledge you are talking to them...

And throwing suspicion in the face of one who you believe just illegally killed an animal doesn't exactly seem like a safe thing to do...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Tristate 80% on this site cannot read and comprehend a 2 paragraph post let alone a classic piece of literature...

Best defined by "Curly" in City Slickers... "City Folk" add appropriate amount of disdain, as needed. Nice bucks though!
 
I was behind you all the way until this statement:

"I understand the feeling of wounding and losing an animal it really sucks and makes you feel like complete dog sh!t. but if it were a citable offense to wound an animal I'm sure a lot more people would be inclined to turn down a risky shot and wait for the opportune moment. Of course you would still have idiots who do it but that's the point of laws. To make examples out of rule breakers and stop unethical behavior. Yes you are trying to harvest an animal but the resposnsability of taking an animals life should never be taken lightly! "

So now you would like to cite ANYONE who wounds a animal. Sorry but you just lost me, I guess I'm not that high and mighty.

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-13 AT 09:01AM (MST)[p]Here is my stance.

Special perks such as longer seasons and extended opportunities. Until recently they were not restricted to a unit.

I don't mind these perks so much, but I do mind when archers come out and argue that the DWR needs to shift more tags to archers as a management strategy because "archery has little affect on the herd." This argument is typically made with a self-righteous, "we are so elite" attitude and adds insult to injury.

I completely realize archers have lower "success" as measured by filled tags, but personal observations lead me to believe a higher percentage of archers leave dead/crippled deer on the mountain. I did the archery for a few seasons. I left more deer on the mountain than I brought home to my shame. You don't want me to archery hunt. Its far better than I get a rifle tag, fill it, and go home. If you turn the state into an archery hunt, you will push guys like me into it who end up killing but not tagging.

If I was the only bad archer, I could accept the archery is king theory, but I realized I'm not alone after hunting the extended archery hunt in 2001. That's the year they closed it early because guys were killing / wounding in town and making residents mad. There was one day I went out in December. I ran into three different guys who had crippled deer. I saw no tagged deer that day. I could give some more examples, but that should be enough to show where I'm coming from. I don't have statistical data to prove my point. The DWR has that information almost 100% for the limited entry hunts but chooses not to disclose it. Its probably for the best as I'm sure all hunts have more wound rates than we care to admit.

My point is, from my experience, I don't buy the notion that archers are easy on the herd. I believe archery is not ethically superior as I believe it leads to more waste. Because of these convictions I don't think we need to shift more hunters from rifle to archery. I also don't think general archers can be trusted with city hunts. I really wish they could, but someone always messes it up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-13 AT 11:16AM (MST)[p]It was just a thought. Understandable to be disagreed upon.

When it comes to asking suspicious hunters to show you their licenses if they decline There's usually something wrong and that's when you just turn it straight over to the Dwr. It's a little bold but it filters out those that are legally doing things before calling the fishing game and bugging them about it.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
Trophymuley you are right but what would you do if some random person asked you to show them your license? Would you gladly pull it out and show them or would you feel as if it's none of their damn business?
 
If you came up to me asking to see my tag and license, I'd laugh at you and tell you to take a flying...... Lol. I know a lot of people on this site alone would be turning people in all the time for legal things that they think are unethical. Then the F&G would really be wasting their time.

But back on topic, I hope this gets resolved. This is why I'd never hunt a city deer, in city limits or out!


I just call em as I see em!
 
I actually have been asked by someone to show them my tag and ID. They thought I looked like someone they had already seen with a deer that year. To be honest I envied they guy for having the guts to step forward when he thought there was something wrong. Since i was doing nothing wrong and had nothing to hide i gladly obliged. If i had refused it would have seemed fishy to him. He could have just called the Dwr but it would have been wasting their time. It's not like you just go running around playing tag police. It's when the circumstances permit. "I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest have been wasted"
 
I have had the opportunity to watch these bucks over the past few months. At one point I walked up on them at 20 yards and had to use my elk call to have them stand up so i could get a picture. They where so domesticated that they didn't care about humans. I Also called the DNR on the Friday before the Bow hunt opened. I informed them that there where some nice deer behind the Cache Valley Specialty Hospital, and the they where in city limits and needed to be watched. Doesn't look like my call meant much to them. Hope the crack attic that killed them is happy with himself.
 
>I'd rather have someone shoot these
>deer in town than have
>them get hit by a
>car. Btw, that is
>either the smartest deer ever,
>or the dumbest.....to go straight
>to the hospital after being
>shot, super smart! Going
>to a people hospital instead
>or a critter hospital, super
>dumb. Maybe it's for
>the best that he has
>been taken out of gene
>pool.

LMAO!!!
 
In response to SneakAttack question about what this adds to the issue. First of all I don't call it hearsay when I heard it directly from the taxidermist while dropping off my deer who had just barely talked with the guy who shot the deer and dropped it off right before me and that hunter told him the story. So the issue had already been dealt with and was over and done but interesting to us both nonetheless. That story relates clearly to this hot button issue of shooting urban deer and how it is not so easy to call these incidents poaching under the law. I don't know why you would get upset about it unless it was you that did it and are offended by me referring to the urban slayers as lowlife yokels. I don't care either way and I feel the same as most others on this site I would not shoot a tame pet deer under similar circumstances for many reasons already noted. Even if you had the legal right to do so with so many people always watching and analyzing everything you do it is likely you will make a mistake somewhere and get hammered for it.
Oh how easily things can get misinterpreted, maligned, confused and overblown just like these email strings.
 
Being a Utah deal, this guy couldn't be more blessed. How sweet to be able to road hunt in the AMC PACER, and harvest a true trophy animal! Kudos to all involved. Lord definitely works in mysterious ways.
 
Huntersrwg,

I am not the one in the story you referenced. Even though you don't consider it hearsay, it is hearsay at best. No different than coffee shop bs'in. We all have heard stories about so and so, this and that. But unless we are involved personally, the stories are just that, stories. The thing that bothered me was that you were bringing something up that you really knew nothing about, and trying to pass it off as fact. I guess your story does relate to the main topic of this post in a very removed sense. You wanted to chime in with your opinion, that's fine. I wanted to chime in and try to stir the pot too. My biggest gripe about the whole thing is that a deer was wasted. It sucks that the one buck was wounded and was not made good use of. Many deer have been shot in Mapleton over the years, not a single one by me. I wish I could have taken a couple of them. There have been some true giants. Heck I'd settle for a decent pic of some of the bucks that roam my old neighborhood.

Good luck this fall.
 
hindquarters wrote:
[Smellybuck, everyone who has a tag has an impact on the herd. What special perks are you talking about? What preferential treatment are you talking about? The bottom line is archery is a lower success rate than muzzle or rifle and we have a lower number of tags than both. So if you run the numbers we do have the least impact on the herds. Also what strong indicators do you have to say it is a wasteful approach?
Smellybuck I am not trying to argue I just want to know your stance here.]

WHAT PERKS!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Only recently have the Big Game Board come to their senses and not allowed you to hunt the whole state. Right now you have a lot more time to hunt than any of the other hunts.

ARCHERY HAS A LOWER SUCCESS RATE THAN MUZZLE OR RIFLE!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The reason I quit hunting ducks is because I hated to eat them and couldn't find someone that would take them. The reason I quit archery hunting was that I lost too many animals. I was a terrible archer, I admit that. In talking to other archers I was the norm and rather than the exception. Truth be known archers have a way way bigger impact on the animals than shown on statistics.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-07-13 AT 03:44PM (MST)[p]Cannonball, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Look at what you just said" Only recently have the Big Game Board come to their senses and not allowed you to hunt the whole state" this means that it is no longer a perk! So your point there was mute. We do have longer dates and that is the only perk.
Your other comment "The reason I quit archery hunting was that I lost too many animals. I was a terrible archer, I admit that. In talking to other archers I was the norm and rather than the exception." So what you are saying here is you are unethical? If you can't shoot straight and know your probably going to miss or wound the animal then don't take the shot unless you are confident! I think this goes for rifle and muzzy hunters as well. You have people that can shoot well whether it is behind a smoke
pole, rifle or bow and then the other side of the
spectrum, people who can't hit the broad side
of a barn. My experience animals are lost every
year with every weapon.
I think all weapons have a much bigger impact
On animals than shown on statistics.
How many animals have you lost? How many ducks have you thrown away because you don't like to eat them?
You are an unethical, close minded Moron.
 
He sounds pretty ethical, he quit hunting ducks because he didn't eat them and couldn't find enough people to give them too. He quit archery hunting because he sucks at it, whats the big deal? Anyone who hunts enough has or will lose some animals. It sucks but its part of the game. I've seen the douchers that shoot off hand 400 yards with a rifle and never follow up, as well as the douchers shooting 100 yds with a bow and wound an animal, only to look for it for a half an hour, then repeat. Who's more closed minded? the guy that admits he has faults or the one who doesn't?
 
Muleymonster, it is ethical that he finally realized he sucks at archery and quit. It's not ethical however to not be proficient and "suck" but keep wounding animals.
The big deal is he was popping off saying archery hunter's have all these perks when we have one, a longer season. And he was going off saying that archery hunters wound way more animals than other weapons. Well like you said with the "400 yard off hand no follow up." that is my point. We have all lost or will at some point lose animals but there are douche bags that don't know how to shoot or shoot way too far in all weapons choices.
I am not claiming to be perfect or have no faults but it pisses me off when people attack archers as if we are all unethical, spoiled, douche bag hunters.
 
" but it pisses me off when people attack archers as if we are all unethical, spoiled, douche bag hunters."

Me too man. But what do you do?
 
I'm sorry to get you guys excited and sure all of you are experienced hunters and ethical. Wound a deer and I'm sure you will quit hunting. Right?

I believe the facts still remain that it takes a lot more work to be an ACCOMPLISHED archer than an ACCOMPLISHED gun hunter. You guys are on MM because you live, eat and sleep hunting, but there are Many hunters(with a capital M) who get the bow or gun out the day or week before the hunt thus the rub. I could take my young grandkids out and without to much practice could hit a target with a gun, but with a bow wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn. There lies the problem, to many part time archers, definition of which is little or no practice.

When I can go across the Pahvant Mt. Range, talk to five groups of hunters and two of the groups each had wounded a deer and the other group had wounded an elk.

I think that says it all.
 
Cannonball, I agree with everything you just said. But if you go talk to the camps on the muzzy and rifle, you will find the same thing. Might not be as high of a percentage but not too far off.
I am not the epitome of ethical. I am not God. I am an average guy who loves to hunt. Like I said in previous post, there are douche bags behind all weapons. I take offense when people lump archers together as a whole when referring to those Jack Wagon's who shoot their bow for the first time in the year at an animal. Or dont take the time to be proficient with their equipment.
I apologize for the unethical, moron comment. I shouldn't have gone there as you are prob just like myself, a guy who loves to hunt and hates those who blow the dust off of their weapon opening morn.
Good luck this year!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-07-13 AT 10:27PM (MST)[p]True. I didn't start this post to attack archery hunters at all. The ability to take an animal with a bow is in my opinion the best way to hunt. Here are a couple animals I have been able to take this year with a bow
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It's just sad it gets used to bend the rules since there is no bang when the arrow flies. Another side note to set the record straight. Not all archers wound a bunch of animals in their hunting career. As an avid hunter I have been lucky enough to harvest 7 elk 3 deer 4 javelina a bear, coyote some pheasants jack rabbits and several feral cats on a farm. Out of all these 24 or so animals I have only wounded one deer which luckily healed right up and lived on for several years and an elk that had to be possessed. It was a perfect pass though shot that entered high in the lungs and exited right at the elbow on the opposite side. I tracked her for roughly 1600 yards with little next to no blood. Jumped her in her bed 20 hours after the shot and followed her for another three hours to see her acting completely healthy, licked clean and going about like she was fine. My point to this is not to brag about my success but to give a personal history to show that most "stick flippers" are not the unethical hunters that they are portrayed as. You wound with a rifle and it appears as a bad limp or injury. A piece of lead is pretty hard to see compared to an arrow sticking out of an animal. All it takes is one idiot and it makes is all look bad.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
I understand what you're saying. I have been hunting for many years and have seen the percent of sportsmen going down and the percent of slob hunter going up. Through my eyes the specialty hunts (muzzleloading and archery) have attracted hunters who are not willing to going to the extent of the finer art of practicing, stalking, knowing when they had hit a deer, and tracking a wounded animal. A lot of them are gun hunters who are there just so they wouldn't have to wear orange, some are out there for an extra hunt through the dedicated hunter program. A lot are there to be out in the mountains with family. I bet there isn't one in ten that have practiced a week before the season starts. I know several specialty hunters that pull their ML or bow out just a few days before the hunt. They are there to go out with their kids who are now old enough to hunt. Back in the o'day there were so many deer - so what! That's certainly not the case today and we can not squander wounded animals to that kind of slop-joint thinking. Where I disagree with most who have commented to me. I think archers wound five to one more deer than MLoaders. Do I have any proof? NO! The only thing I do have is my noisy ability to extract information from hunters.

That is my take on it.
 
trophymuley, i'd be careful about approaching hunters and asking to see their identification and tags/licenses because they seem "suspicious". good way to get your teeth knocked out.
 
I usually hunt with a bow, but this year I had shoulder surgery in January. The application period ends in Feb and I didn't know if I was going to be healed enough to shoot the bow enough to justify bow hunting. When I first started bow hunting 20 years ago I wounded a couple of deer and regret it to this day, the only thing a guy can do is practice and second guess every shot and maybe instead of criticizing those that aren't as proficient with a bow, offer to help them out.
 
As for the original post. Its a shame that "hunting" has come to this, a sport where the "look at me" mentality has overridden any ethics or morals that some people may have had.
 
>trophymuley, i'd be careful about approaching
>hunters and asking to see
>their identification and tags/licenses because
>they seem "suspicious". good way
>to get your teeth knocked
>out.

If you go about it the right way people aren't too adamant about wanting to fight you. but it could happen. then again attacking someone who simply appears he could hold his own in a fight Doesn't necessarily happen that often. A couple good deterrents are having a side arm or bear spray. (It works remarkably well on douches.)
But really a good rule of thumb is if you don't feel safe about it just call the fish and game.

"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
I hunt deer and elk every year for the meat and experience. So sorry guys if I tag out this year and post up some meat buck and bull pics. I'm not in it for the praise, just like to pay back to the hunting community here some of my experiences and pictures to show thanks for the GOOD posts that some of you have put up over the years...Good luck to all this hunting season. May you all remember you are taking a life off the mountain. Appreciate that and cherish the memories.
 
I know I should stay out of this, but there are a couple of things I kind of have a problem with.

First, in spite of the fact that most "town bucks" are huge, what is the satisfaction in killing a tame deer?

When it is on the wall, what do you think about it and what do you tell all your friends that admire it?

What about some hunt trip memories?

Secondly, if ANYONE, without a badge, asks for my license and tags, we have a problem......especially if they have interrupted my "recreating"....in whatever venue I happen to be involved.

That ain't your job and I would take IMMEDIATE offense to the request. Before you stick your nose in someones else's business, you better be REAL sure you have a reason.

"If you get upset or offended by ANY website forum
post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-13 AT 00:46AM (MST)[p]
This photo was just posted in a new thread. It's narrows three days after being at the back porch of the hospital. As you can see I wasn't exaggerating when I said he was bedding on front porches. He was literally rotting alive
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"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Looks like maw shot flag to keep him out of the "tobacky". Now you have to take paws gun and put him down. Don't worry you and paw will learn lots of life lessons from this and yall can all go hunt Slewfoot together. To bad about Fodder Wing though.

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The deer standing at the door is not the same Deer the guy is posing with? Not sure if it was supposed to be or not?
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-13 AT 09:29AM (MST)[p]it's the other deer in the live photo.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Death isn't fun to watch whether it is legal or illegal and in my eyes really isn't the point here. The point is that these bucks were allegedly shot in city limits.
As to the OP telling us about his license checking skills....well, that wouldn't go over very well if he asked to see mine. Maybe he should have been a game warden for his career.


Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-13 AT 11:32AM (MST)[p]"As to the OP telling us about his license checking skills....well, that wouldn't go over very well if he asked to see mine."


WTF, Now i have seen several comments like this. Why would you be upset if another concerned hunter thought maybe some illegal activity was going on and wanted to check it out? I would thank a guy who asked to see my papers. I don't want other hunters, hunting in areas that i drew and they didn't. Those that don't want to willingly be out in the open about their hunting papers seem pretty shady to me.

I',m not talking going camp to camp checking guys paperwork here, just when something doesn't look right or add up.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
And this is the reason poachers can get away with crap they do. Because a good amount of people would take offense to someone asking to see their license. Do you have something to hide? Are you trying to do something illegal? If not then what's the big deal? Why take offense to someone trying to protect our wildlife? Are you out hunting with crippled daddy's tag trying to get a double slam for the year? In all honesty if your taking offense to this simply because "it's none of anyone else's business", sorry to burst your bubble but it is everyone's business whether you believe it or not! The wildlife belong to the public and ill be d@mned if I will just sit by and watch someone steal wildlife from us. Dwr have limited recourses as they are literally swamped with calls during every hunting season and in my opinion are understaffed for such large areas. When it takes a Dwr officer a couple days to return your calls by no fault of the officer, it becomes your responsibility to protect the wildlife of the people. I'm not saying go and hold someone under arrest. I'm saying if something seems fishy, grow a pair and do something about it! Chances are if you get "your teeth knocked out" then you get to add assault to the charges of illegal crap that someone is doing. If you take offense to someone protecting wildlife then maybe you should broaden your narrow way of thinking.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
Thank You Trophymuley! +1

Sorry but making a illegal u-turn is not the same as shooting a town buck in the city limits or the Poaching a deer!

Shooting off the road or over the hood, things like that, i couldn't care less about but guys hunting zones or units without proper tags, poaching meat deer, leaving the carcus to waste, or one or two guys party hunting for a whole group is just plain wrong and it can't continue for the good of our game animals.

Guess i'll make it my business and deal with it if/when i run across any of those upset with showing me that they have nothing to hide. That said, i've never in my lifetime of hunting, felt the need to check anyone... but i have turned in a few and will do so again!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>And this is the reason poachers
>can get away with crap
>they do. Because a good
>amount of people would take
>offense to someone asking to
>see their license. Do you
>have something to hide? Are
>you trying to do something
>illegal? If not then what's
>the big deal? Why take
>offense to someone trying to
>protect our wildlife? Are you
>out hunting with crippled daddy's
>tag trying to get a
>double slam for the year?
>In all honesty if your
>taking offense to this simply
>because "it's none of anyone
>else's business", sorry to burst
>your bubble but it is
>everyone's business whether you believe
>it or not! The wildlife
>belong to the public and
>ill be d@mned if I
>will just sit by and
>watch someone steal wildlife from
>us. Dwr have limited recourses
>as they are literally swamped
>with calls during every hunting
>season and in my opinion
>are understaffed for such large
>areas. When it takes a
>Dwr officer a couple days
>to return your calls by
>no fault of the officer,
>it becomes your responsibility to
>protect the wildlife of the
>people. I'm not saying go
>and hold someone under arrest.
>I'm saying if something seems
>fishy, grow a pair and
>do something about it! Chances
>are if you get "your
>teeth knocked out" then you
>get to add assault to
>the charges of illegal crap
>that someone is doing. If
>you take offense to someone
>protecting wildlife then maybe you
>should broaden your narrow way
>of thinking.
>"I've hunted almost every day of
>my life, The rest
>have been wasted"


What kind of brainwashed Marxist commy education camp did you get spit out of? Just because the government says you "own" something doesn't mean you need to start whipping your ass with the constitution and start unauthorized and possibly unconstitutional investigations of random people. You can't start jacking people off the highway and demanding people's "papers" just because the people" own" the roads.

I guarantee if you ask me for my "papers" I am not going to physically attack you. But I will let you know right to your face what kind of sorry, rude un-American, twerp you are and then your going to have a decision to make. I know you don't like the fact that i would exercise free speech but thats something you are going to have to deal with. Call the game warden. If I have time I'll wait for him. If I don't have time, write down my license plate and discuss Gestapo tactics with him.
 
Looks like the birds have started to eat that buck alive! (Sad!) In my opinion hunting bucks in city limits is lame! Not much of a trophy to shoot a tame animal no matter how big the animals antlers are. I'll take a back country three point any day over a big city buck!
 
Tristate. I have run into my fair share of people like you. Our opinions differ greatly. In such case of being refused I would simply call proper authorities to enforce it. However if you aren't doing anything wrong, instead of getting all offended like a little girl and getting your panties in a twist and wasting time for fish and game don't you think swallowing your masculine pride and simply giving evidence that you aren't doing anything wrong is the smarter thing to do. Then again our opinions are obviously very different and I'm sure you disagree so I will respect your opinions and in return I ask that you respect mine. sincerely your commy friend.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
>What kind of brainwashed Marxist commy
>education camp did you get
>spit out of? Just
>because the government says you
>"own" something doesn't mean you
>need to start whipping your
>ass with the constitution and
>start unauthorized and possibly unconstitutional
>investigations of random people.


I have absolutely got to hear this one. What exactly is unconstitutional about a hunter asking another hunter to see his hunting license? Inquiring minds must know!
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-09-13 AT 09:49PM (MST)[p]So, now, on top of nature fakers, liberals, overbearing BLM azzess, etc, etc, etc.......I am supposed to be cordial to some Barney Fife wannabe, and waste my time showing him my papers?

It will be a cold day before I do that.

You turn me in if you want, but you may NOT use my time afield to satisfy your short pecker complex. You want to mess with people in the field, become a Warden!

I won't play your communist game.....ever.

In passing, you better be damn sure where you draw the line, because as much as I hate lawyers, I'll hire a really nasty one, and sue your ass for anything my guy can come up with! Then I am going to take YOUR money and hire some crackheads to ruin every hunt you go on FOREVER!

Seems you cant say the common name of Richard Tracey on here.......

"If you get upset or offended by ANY website forum
post.....especially mine, you need serious
intervention!"
 
Your comment really made me lol. Thanks for the comic relief!
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 
We obviously can't trust all hunters to police themselves, so we must help the under-staffed wardens and work to police each other. Seems common sense to me.

Any updates on these guys from the original OP? They should be kicked out of the Big Buck Contest. Surely the store has the right to refuse entry. Something along the lines of, "Because of the controversy involved, we think its better if your deer not be entered. But congrats on the buck."

Grizzly
 
As far as I have understood Al's refused to give the Dwr information about the guy because "they respect their loyal customers." ??????????????
I really hope that is just a rumor. If not, wow. Local sporting goods store supporting foul play?
I will reiterate that I don't know personally if that is the case. It's just what I heard so if anyone else personally knows feel free to chime in.
"I've hunted almost every day of my life, The rest
have been wasted"
 

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