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huntersrwg
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So we found this Lion Kill yesterday. I am not a scorer so for you expert scorers what would this one go 160? He is 24" wide.
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huntersrwg
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Side view.
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Warning antlers get distorted in photos and may appear larger than actual size.
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elkun
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lion 1 deer o
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huntersrwg
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actually the one I am packing is about the same maybe a little bit bigger. I will post it up tomorrow cant get my phone to work on this thing
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-13 AT 07:45PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Sep-26-13 AT 07:45?PM (MST)
170-175.
170-175.
DesertGhillie
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Nice find!
BrowningRage
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He's 168" all day... Great find.
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sageadvice
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from the pic's, looks like high 170's, ,maybe scratching 180.
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mid 170's with those good back forks!
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Here is the one we shot. I say we because I jumped him out of his bed and then shot at him quartering away and hit him square up the butt. He stopped broadside for about one solid minute to give my brother a shot with his new muzzleloader and it misfired flame shooting out the end but no bang! As we sat and reloaded for another 5 minutes the buck slowly walked down the hill and right into my buddy Jason who put one through the front shoulder and put him down. Congratulations to Jason! good times on the mountain.
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The Lion Kill had the hind quarters wrapped around a quakie and was completely cleaned by coyotes birds and whatever else. No arrow on the site either. I archery hunted this area and did not see one single other hunter. We could start seeing some older age class bucks in this area if the lions were thinned down a little bit.
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Mid 170's all day.
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We were thinking that it is ok to take it if it is tagged since my bro. was not going to be able to go out hunting again. We were thinking Euro on the dead head but we found that the taxis don't want to deal with the wrotten heads. I don't blame them. Plus not much money in it for them.
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goofyelk
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Nice buck harvested, nice find on the other one...
BUT, certainly appears NOT to be a lion kill.
1st, lions bury thier kills, never leave them in the open.
2nd)lions will tend to crush bones. especaily rib cage bones.
And , a lion would never leave a carcuss over a tree like that..
Jusy say'in....
BUT, certainly appears NOT to be a lion kill.
1st, lions bury thier kills, never leave them in the open.
2nd)lions will tend to crush bones. especaily rib cage bones.
And , a lion would never leave a carcuss over a tree like that..
Jusy say'in....
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elkun
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these guys would say it was killed by ufo s before it was a lion,,,,hell who knows, lion is as good a bet as any.
goofyelk
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>these guys would say it was
>killed by ufo s before
>it was a lion,,,,hell who
>knows, lion is as
>good a bet as any.
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I've been chasing cats for 20+ years studying thier habits..
Seen literaly 100's of kill's ...
How much experiance do you have with mountain lons elkun?
>killed by ufo s before
>it was a lion,,,,hell who
>knows, lion is as
>good a bet as any.
>
I've been chasing cats for 20+ years studying thier habits..
Seen literaly 100's of kill's ...
How much experiance do you have with mountain lons elkun?
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What goofyelk is saying makes sense to me and experience is a great teacher I believe his assessment. Hard to say what killed the buck at this stage. Nice find an a good buck.
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RE: Lion Kill Dead Head Scolain to seere?
goofyelk . 20 years uh, you aint learned much, that's plain to see, you dam well know that most big bucks ,. not counting hunting' killed on the mountain. are by cats. experience 47 years hunting on the mountain, you get 20 more. get back to me,,,,,
goofyelk . 20 years uh, you aint learned much, that's plain to see, you dam well know that most big bucks ,. not counting hunting' killed on the mountain. are by cats. experience 47 years hunting on the mountain, you get 20 more. get back to me,,,,,
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RE: Lion Kill Dead Head Scolain to seere?
Elkun,, DONT twist the BS!!!!
YES, I know lions kill big bucks, partiiality after the rut..
I'm just say'in....................................
IMO, The deer in that pic, hanging over a tree, WAS NOT a lion kill...
Elkun,, DONT twist the BS!!!!
YES, I know lions kill big bucks, partiiality after the rut..
I'm just say'in....................................
IMO, The deer in that pic, hanging over a tree, WAS NOT a lion kill...
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RE: Lion Kill Dead Head Scolain to seere?
goofy,,, and I guess bears
and coyotes never drag those dead deer away from the kill site,yep you know it all.,,.,you should wright a book,,,,i don't know if that deer was killed by a lion.' but the odds are it was, enuf said,,,,,
goofy,,, and I guess bears
and coyotes never drag those dead deer away from the kill site,yep you know it all.,,.,you should wright a book,,,,i don't know if that deer was killed by a lion.' but the odds are it was, enuf said,,,,,
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RE: Lion Kill Dead Head Scolain to seere?
OK---A few more important thoughts...(assuming this is in Utah).
1) Kevin D--- Know that's a lion kill!
2) The 'found buck is 'hard horned ', dead about a month.
Very,very likely arrowed during archery season and lost.
OR now the possibility of illegal doings has opened up...
3) There are laws conerning these matters.
Below is copied from page 39 of the 2013 Utah feild reg's.
Finding a skull with
antlers or horns
attached
If you find a skull with the antlers or
horns still attached, it's possible the animal
was poached. Do NOT pick up or move
the skull, or disturb any footprints or
other evidence. Instead, we encourage
you to take the following steps:
? Take photos of the skull from a couple
of angles
? Pinpoint the location of the skull
(preferably its GPS coordinates)
? Call or visit a Division office to report
your find
? Provide key details in your report
The Division will send a conservation
officer to investigate and determine if the
animal was poached. If it's clear that the
animal was not poached, we may allow you
to keep your find.
OK---A few more important thoughts...(assuming this is in Utah).
1) Kevin D--- Know that's a lion kill!
2) The 'found buck is 'hard horned ', dead about a month.
Very,very likely arrowed during archery season and lost.
OR now the possibility of illegal doings has opened up...
3) There are laws conerning these matters.
Below is copied from page 39 of the 2013 Utah feild reg's.
Finding a skull with
antlers or horns
attached
If you find a skull with the antlers or
horns still attached, it's possible the animal
was poached. Do NOT pick up or move
the skull, or disturb any footprints or
other evidence. Instead, we encourage
you to take the following steps:
? Take photos of the skull from a couple
of angles
? Pinpoint the location of the skull
(preferably its GPS coordinates)
? Call or visit a Division office to report
your find
? Provide key details in your report
The Division will send a conservation
officer to investigate and determine if the
animal was poached. If it's clear that the
animal was not poached, we may allow you
to keep your find.
>The buck probably was killed by
>a lion then picked clean
>by the coyotes and birds.
> Coyote could have drug
>the hind quarters over the
>tree who knows......
If you look at the kill sight from an objective point of view there is no evidence that it was either killed by a lion or that it was drug to it's current location by a coyote. The amount of hair surrounding the skeletal remains indicates to me that it was consumed there by scavengers.....not drug there at a later date when the carcass was more manageable for a coyote to drag.
It's all speculation of course, but judging from the photo of the carcass, my own conclusion is that the deer most likely died of disease, malnutrition, or an injury rather than predation from a lion. I know it doesn't fit the theory that many of you out there want to believe, but I gotta call it as I see it.
>a lion then picked clean
>by the coyotes and birds.
> Coyote could have drug
>the hind quarters over the
>tree who knows......
If you look at the kill sight from an objective point of view there is no evidence that it was either killed by a lion or that it was drug to it's current location by a coyote. The amount of hair surrounding the skeletal remains indicates to me that it was consumed there by scavengers.....not drug there at a later date when the carcass was more manageable for a coyote to drag.
It's all speculation of course, but judging from the photo of the carcass, my own conclusion is that the deer most likely died of disease, malnutrition, or an injury rather than predation from a lion. I know it doesn't fit the theory that many of you out there want to believe, but I gotta call it as I see it.
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died of disease malnutrition or an injury, now you want us to believe that deer starved to death, in aug?, nice rack for a sick deer to grow' that leaves injury. what causes injury???
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-30-13 AT 10:51AM (MST)[p]>The buck probably was killed by
>a lion then picked clean
>by the coyotes and birds.
> Coyote could have drug
>the hind quarters over the
>tree who knows. He
>said they used one of
>their tags on the dead
>head so I really don't
>see what the big deal
>is.
SEE POST #29 BELOW!!!
Finding a skull with
antlers or horns
attached
If you find a skull with the antlers or
horns still attached, it's possible the animal
was poached. Do NOT pick up or move
the skull, or disturb any footprints or
other evidence. Instead, we encourage
you to take the following steps:
? Take photos of the skull from a couple
of angles
? Pinpoint the location of the skull
(preferably its GPS coordinates)
? Call or visit a Division office to report
your find
? Provide key details in your report
The Division will send a conservation
officer to investigate and determine if the
animal was poached. If it's clear that the
animal was not poached, We may Allow you to keep your find.
>a lion then picked clean
>by the coyotes and birds.
> Coyote could have drug
>the hind quarters over the
>tree who knows. He
>said they used one of
>their tags on the dead
>head so I really don't
>see what the big deal
>is.
SEE POST #29 BELOW!!!
Finding a skull with
antlers or horns
attached
If you find a skull with the antlers or
horns still attached, it's possible the animal
was poached. Do NOT pick up or move
the skull, or disturb any footprints or
other evidence. Instead, we encourage
you to take the following steps:
? Take photos of the skull from a couple
of angles
? Pinpoint the location of the skull
(preferably its GPS coordinates)
? Call or visit a Division office to report
your find
? Provide key details in your report
The Division will send a conservation
officer to investigate and determine if the
animal was poached. If it's clear that the
animal was not poached, We may Allow you to keep your find.
