Dire migration problem on the Pauns !

B_F_E

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Deer are stuck at the new deer fence east of kanab, inhibiting
thousand of deer from crossing into areas of their winter range.
What we noticed was the deer come to cross the road(89) found the fence(elk size)don't know what to do, then a car races by, so they get spooked back off the road,then repeat the process in Vain. Although this fence was put up with good intentions it is screwing things up royally & I wonder if there is any way to remedy this very sensitive situation and quickly !



http://www.muledeer.org/mdf-supports-us-89-paunsaugunt-deer-crossing-project

I think these fences work for cattle not deer in their current
form

this is not good

BFE
 
Build a fence funnel that Vs out from the crossing. If each leg was .5 to a 1 mile long it might gather up these deer and channel them through the crossing. Close the area inside the funnel to hunting.

DC
 
So Beefy?

There any Chance I can get a 30"er with the Bumper of my Truck?

I might be headed down this weekend to see if I can get at least one of the Deer out of harms way!:D:D:D

KIDDIN!

Hope they get something figured out & Quick!











I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
Answer Beefy?

I can always get me a New Bumper!

But a Decent Buck in the Basin this year is tough!










I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
In the long run I think this fence is going to be a good thing. I do think they need to think about closing hunting in that direct vicinity of the crossings for the first few years, at least. Eventually the deer will adapt. I could see the herd becoming more nocturnal than they already are because of it.

Wonder how this is impacting any of the Strip late hunts this year?
 
We better not let them out now or they might not come back! LOL

Long run it's probably a good thing but it sounds like it's causing problems right now.

Thanks for the update.
Zeke
 
Once the underpasses are installed, this project will work wonders. Wyoming installed a series of underpasses on Hwy 89 between Kemmerer and Cokeville a few years back. Deer and elk mortality through this stretch of highway went from several hundred a year down to a dozen or so. The deer will adapt to this new obstruction, guaranteed. The underpasses need to be installed, though. Without them, the deer slaughter will just be in a different location.

At first, the deer were very reluctant to use the underpasses. However, once that first doe went through, it was like someone opened the floodgates. There was a constant stream after that. Now, the underpasses have become ingrained in them as part of their regular migration process. Pretty cool. Too bad they are so damned expensive.

This project will save many lives in the long run- not just deer, but humans as well.
 
So, they put up the fence but have no underpasses yet?
How does that make sense?
How will the deer move freely back and forth with out underpasses and only a fence?
Zeke
 
There are under passes and the deer are crossing. More and more everyday. Far from a dire problem and a good thing in the long run. Pobably sucked for the 12b az hunt though:)
 
I just returned from the management hunt (I drew a tag) While I was there , I was given the name of a gentleman that has been hired by the dwr /blm to moniter and report his findings concerning the fence. He had spent time observing and making counts since the migration had begun. He had found that the deer were confused and have changed their patterns as a result. However they have begun to figure things out somewhat.
They have found a few problems 1) Bypassers and hunters have stopped by the funnel areas to observe the deer scaring the deer away from the tunnels in addition to the deer natural fears. That is the purpose for the no stopping flashing signs.
He also indicated they would be recommending a buffer zone for the hunts in this area. When I had the mandatory check of my buck by a onsite dwr officer, He said he had checked tags on over 50% of the 25 management tag holders and found them all within 1 mile of each other , at the fence. I did not hunt in that area for that reason, and the fact it would have almost been like shooting deer in a corral.
In short , Yes the fence has caused some problems, however during the short week I was there I did find the deer increasingly making it through to the south side. And I believe given a little time for adjustment it will work just fine.
And by the way , the dwr officer also pointed out that during the first 3 days of the migration there were only 2 deer/car colisions. which was down from a 10 year average of 19 for the first 3 days, for what it's worth.
 
Well after numerous years of applying my son and I finally drew the AZ 12b muzzleloader tag that starts Fri. As most people know there are very few resident deer in that unit and the hunt depends on those migrating deer to get there. Kinda suks for me and the others that drew late tags but if it helps the herd in the long run then so be it. I been on tough hunts before and it sounds like this will be another, but we'll make the best of it. Besides does it really get any better than hunting with your kids, I think not.
 
> I just
>returned from the management hunt
>(I drew a tag) While
>I was there , I
>was given the name of
>a gentleman that has been
>hired by the dwr /blm
>to moniter and report his
>findings concerning the fence. He
>had spent time observing and
>making counts since the migration
>had begun. He had found
>that the deer were confused
>and have changed their patterns
>as a result. However they
>have begun to figure things
>out somewhat.
> They have found a
>few problems 1) Bypassers and
>hunters have stopped by the
>funnel areas to observe the
>deer scaring the deer away
>from the tunnels in addition
>to the deer natural fears.
>That is the purpose for
>the no stopping flashing signs.
>
> He also indicated
>they would be recommending a
>buffer zone for the hunts
>in this area. When I
>had the mandatory check of
>my buck by a onsite
>dwr officer, He said he
>had checked tags on over
>50% of the 25 management
>tag holders and found them
>all within 1 mile of
>each other , at the
>fence. I did not hunt
>in that area for that
>reason, and the fact it
>would have almost been like
>shooting deer in a corral.
>
> In
>short , Yes the fence
>has caused some problems, however
>during the short week I
>was there I did find
>the deer increasingly making it
>through to the south side.
>And I believe given a
>little time for adjustment it
>will work just fine.
> And by the
>way , the dwr officer
>also pointed out that during
>the first 3 days of
>the migration there were only
>2 deer/car colisions. which was
>down from a 10 year
>average of 19 for the
>first 3 days, for what
>it's worth.


So?

Sounds like it woulda been a Good year for a Pauns Tag & A Guy coulda just shot one from the Road out the Truck Window?

Like Shootin Fish in a Barrel huh?

KIDDIN OF Course!

Anybody know if the DWR was Patrolling/Writing Citations for TARDS that can't Obey the Rules?

"""We kept most of them from getting run over by Vehicles but now Hunters are shooting them in a Corral!"""
















I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
I think your hunt will be fine. I spent the entire hunt on the south side of 89 in various areas and there was no shortage of bucks. I saw plenty of nice bucks heading south everyday. The fence has not stopped them, it has only delayed them a couple days.
 
DWR patrolled and checked tags everyday I was there. I hunted on the south side away from the yahoos along the firing line. There are plenty of deer getting through the fence and heading south. I ended up taking a decent 3x4. It is a lot tougher making sure your in the 3 point rule than you might think. Having a spotting scope and time to view the bucks is a must on the management hunt. It worked for me however as I am losing my eyesite and this was my last hunt . Doctor told me my sight will be gone by next year. So I was greatful for the opportunity.
 
Hi Bessy, I miss my kitty cat !

As for the claims it may be better in the long run, I'm in agreement.
To say its not messing with them big time is Bunk.
The map shows 4 crossings in 11.5 miles so some deer will end up walking the fence for miles while cars race by in order to find a crossing, logic says "ain't gonna happen", especially for skittish monster bucks, thus bunching up more deer than carrying capacity.
 
According to the research by the "big boys", where fencing is employed, these crossing should be places about every mile to be most effective.
Of course, with only 4 in 11 miles, it will mess with the deer!

It will mess with them when/if they try to come back too!

Maybe next year isn't the year to have a tag!

Zeke
 
Zeke is spot on! as usual.
Probably did not even need to say that:)

I am going to set up a tree stand on that fence, sounds like a heck of a spot to hunt.
 
Every other place this system has been employed has worked great. The deer just need a little time to become accustomed to it. Once they do, deer mortality will plummet.

Sorry about the misunderstanding; but it sounded like there were no underpasses from some of those early posts.
 
it should be noted that there are a lot more than 4 crossings. There are 4 new crossings built during const of the fence, However there are also several culverts and washes/ bridges that were existing already that they funneled the fence to. I know as I drove from one hunt area to the other there were more like 10-12 places the fence funneled to.This was also confirmed by the gentleman doing the study on the migration. He also said many of the deer were heading furture south , beyond the end of the fence area.
 
i hunted down that way during the rifle hunt. I noticed by Wednesday that there were fewer deer stacked up at the fence then the prior 4 days. Seems like the deer were figuring it out. There are 10 to 12 underpasses for them to cross over 89. My hunting buddy and I did think that there s/b a buffer zone for 2 or 3 years while they figure it out. Saw a lot of bucks taken within 100 to 200 yards of fence. Buffer out to about 400 yards ought to do it.
 
So?

What kinda Bucks did they end up shootin off the Hi-Way/fence Line/Out the Truck Window?

And Who's gonna admit to doing it?











I used to know of places worth Hiking in to for Elk & Deer!
Thanks to Illegal Bastards & the USFS not enforcing Rules you can Zing in to them Places on Wheelers now & not see a Damn thing!
But by GAWD it don't take long for them U-Tards to get there with all the Unethical BS and the New Technology!
 
I am sold out this year but next year i will be expanding to cover more of these deer escape routes and should have a few spots available at a decent price.

You can rent your table by the day or the week. Each table comes with bathroom use facility permit as well as reduced camping rates nearby. So far, two days seems about the average stay per deer taken.

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;-) ;-)

Joey

"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>I am sold out this year
>but next year i will
>be expanding to cover more
>of these deer escape routes
>and should have a few
>spots available at a decent
>price.
>
>You can rent your table by
>the day or the week.
>Each table comes with bathroom
>use facility permit as well
>as reduced camping rates nearby.
>So far, two days seems
>about the average stay per
>deer taken.
>
>
204arizona_firing_line.jpg

>
>;-) ;-)
>
>Joey
>
>"It's all about knowing what your
>firearms practical limitations are and
>combining that with your own
>personal limitations!"
Id like to reserve one of your shooting benches for next years hunt! What is the cost of your fully guided hunt. Also do you have any heated shooting houses? I here it can get kind of cold waiting for them to cross!
 
Adam, there are just so many ways that i could answer your question and i'm truly tempted to go on and on, even offer you the DM special where we have your condo balcony heated bench monitored by a guide who will call you after he darts your buck with a GPS relocating device...

It's all just too sick! But, i couldn't resist the original thought and if some of you others care to offer potential "hunt packages" at these crossings, so be it. lol

I will though, take a booking deposit of $5,000. and hope it rains! :)

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 

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