Birth defect on A muley

YELUM

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Back in July, I went to the island with my sister, and she took this pic. I thought he looked funny, but figured he had something in his mouth.

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Then in Oct, while out there with a friend, he took this shot. Never seen an animal with a cleft lip. Wonder if it effects how he eats.

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At least he's got a permanant smile.

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Yelum

Theres logic, and theres women. They don't go together.
 
Weird, I doubt it affects his ability to eat cause he doesn't know any other way of eating... Just normal to him.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
That is really crazy! Neat shots Larry. Never seen anything like that.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Thanks for sharing. Over the years of having a lot of deer on the floor around here I have seen a lot of deformities, including cleft palates. The Whitetails I have seen with it always seem healthy with just a higher amount of wear than normal on their lower teeth. I once got to watch a large axis buck that had a sever cleft lip that extended into his left nostril. It was interesting to watch him eat because he would lick his lips during chewing and extend his tongue through his nostril. Pretty creepy. I also had a buck come in once that was pushing 200 inches. His nose had been broken so badley but healed in a position that his nose and upper palate sat off the left side of his face. I don't even know how that deer was picking anything up to eat but he was obviously healthy.
 
I saw a pic of a bighorn with a cleft pallet just the other day. It was the first I'd seen of an animal with one.

Neat pic, thanks for sharing.
 
Its so weird to look at. maybe he sucked his hooves as a baby and pushed his teeth out.
 
That's pretty cool Yelum. I've never seen that in a muley before. I did take pics of a bighorn this fall that looks similar though.
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What an awesome shot BC. I'll bet he looked cool ddoing a lip curl.

Yelum

Theres logic, and theres women. They don't go together.
 
cool photos. I looked up a "cleft lip animals" online and it showed a bunch of different pictures.

As I looked at the pics I wondered if it is a birth defect or an injury that caused the lip to be that way.
 
I tried to see if I had any front shots of him last year, but did not. Here is a back view of him though. His rack was better last year.

Yelum

Theres logic, and theres women. They don't go together.

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Grazing animals like deer born with an underbite, overbite, or other facial malformations were found by a study done in South Dakota to be caused by high levels of an insecticide called Imidacloprid in their spleens. Imidacloprid is a synthetic nicotine, so exposure to neonicotinoid insecticides would be similar to the pregnant does smoking cigarettes. That is something a deer wouldn't do of course, but the imidacloprid was found in the rain falling into surface water and on foliage in remote areas far from where it was applied on fields, so the deer are exposed by breathing the air, eating the foliage and drinking the water. The study is Effects of Neonicotinoid Insecticides on Physiology and Reproductive Characteristics of Captive Female and Fawn White-tailed Deer by Berheim et. al. 2019 and it was published in Nature for any of you who like science. I didn't see this post until today, but the wild grazing animals are still being born with the same malformations and it often causes mortality to the newborns and sometimes to the adult animals.
 
Sorry, I found the post on Google about the mule deer with the birth defect and clicked on it. I didn't realize the post was so old. Many mule deer fawns are still being born with birth defects, so this issue is still of importance. The 36 hunter-killed adult male mule deer from the 2020-2021 hunting season in Montana that were examined by an independent biologist had 19 (53%) with a normal bite, 14 (39%) with an underbite (underdeveloped premaxillary bone like the buck in this thread) and 3 (8%) with an overbite (underdeveloped lower jaw). There are also internal birth defects, like heart defects and lung inflammation which cause mortality. In many areas, the mule deer populations are declining because of failure of fawns to survive. Thus, for anyone who loves mule deer, like I do, this is a serious and important issue.
 
Sorry, I found the post on Google about the mule deer with the birth defect and clicked on it. I didn't realize the post was so old. Many mule deer fawns are still being born with birth defects, so this issue is still of importance. The 36 hunter-killed adult male mule deer from the 2020-2021 hunting season in Montana that were examined by an independent biologist had 19 (53%) with a normal bite, 14 (39%) with an underbite (underdeveloped premaxillary bone like the buck in this thread) and 3 (8%) with an overbite (underdeveloped lower jaw). There are also internal birth defects, like heart defects and lung inflammation which cause mortality. In many areas, the mule deer populations are declining because of failure of fawns to survive. Thus, for anyone who loves mule deer, like I do, this is a serious and important issue.
Jims said cheatgrass was the leading cause of birth defects in deer shot by NR in Wyoming, Unit G and H, which he has never hunted.
 
Those facial birth defects began occurring at the same time on newborns of both deer species in Montana, as well as elk, bighorn sheep, bison, moose, pronghorn antelope, mountain goat, domestic calves, domestic goat kids, domestic sheep, llama, other mammals including domestic dogs, on individuals of multiple bird species and on newborn human children. Most of those never get near cheatgrass, but the parents/mothers of all were exposed to something at the same time during 1994 and every year since that is causing them to have young with facial malformations. Imidacloprid began being used in states upwind of Montana and in Montana in 1994. Now it is used all over the U.S. and Canada in huge quantities, being the most used insecticide in the world. Some animals, especially grazing animals, in other countries now have underbite or overbite, but prevalence there is unknown. Also, check out the study I referenced above. If anyone on this website loves mule deer, you should pay attention to what is happening. All you have to do to see lots of photos of the underbite on any of those mentioned species is type the species name, then underbite images on Google. By the way, for some reason, there is a much higher prevalence of overbite on white-tailed deer in eastern U.S. than here in western U.S. In eastern states the deer hunters call the deer with severe overbite "Dork Deer." You can see their photos by typing Dork Deer images on Google. In my humble opinion, the deer are not the dorks. I do not like animals with birth defects to be made fun of.
 
I am an independent biologist who has been working since 1996 to get the powers that be to do something about the birth defects on the wildlife and domestic animals. Underbite makes it much more difficult for an animal to survive, especially wild animals. If livestock owners have calves or other animals born with an underbite, it costs them money because the animals don't gain weight as well. I am not advertising anything, by the way and if I was an attorney, I would have sued the butts off of those responsible for so many animals being harmed.
 
I am an independent biologist who has been working since 1996 to get the powers that be to do something about the birth defects on the wildlife and domestic animals. Underbite makes it much more difficult for an animal to survive, especially wild animals. If livestock owners have calves or other animals born with an underbite, it costs them money because the animals don't gain weight as well. I am not advertising anything, by the way and if I was an attorney, I would have sued the butts off of those responsible for so many animals being harmed.
You'll learn to ignore him (there's even a button for it that a many of us use, but when I saw two posts were missing on the thread I knew it was one of two people so clicked un-ignore to see what BS they were spewing). As usual, homer offers nothing but snide remarks. Just carry on.

Thanks for the info, it's very interesting.
 

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