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DeerHunter1953

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All you guys out there that think that your F&G are screwed up take note, California just got their hunting regulations out to the public.
Problem is that the drawing deadline is June 2nd and today is 5-29-14. This really screws the guys that don't have much access to the internet.
After getting the regulations I realized that I had applied for a hunt when I already had applied for another hunt at the same time in another state. We'll I drew the out of state tag and I am waiting on results from California to see if I drew here. I told my wife last night about my mistake and off course she wasn't happy.
Hoping after 24 years of trying to get a Antelope permit this is the year.
 
You mean California Fish & WILDLIFE? I guess Game was not PC enough. Got my regs yesterday as well. What else do you expect when you have animal rights represenatives running the F&W. I predict that we will be the first state to ban all hunting.
 
California is horrible....the bow season starts like 2 weeks after you find out if you've drawn or not. I also got my regulations 2 days ago. If I don't draw Goodale...I'll be sweating my arse off on Cuesta Ridge listening to the Mens Colony loud speaker coming up the mountain. :(

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Mine came in today. Totally inept state department. My bet is that you will see a lot less applicants this year. There are two known liberal progressives (wolf and tree hugger) that are on the appointed commission. They should have named it the " Kallifornicated Department of PARKS, Wildlife and Game." Pathetic. Were screwed.
 
Maybe by "Fish and GAME" they mean baseball, because every time I go on california's forum all they are talking about is the Giants.
 
Are you a Dodgers fan?
If you count on regs you are already out of the game!
If you don't have a smartphone or access to internet you are
out of the game ...
not dfg fault because there the same everytime
every year.
Jester
 
If not for mis management, California would have the best hunting in the nation. Pisses the mountain states guys off but it's the truth. Anti hunting wardens are a big detractor for the golden state too.-------SS
 
Someone needs to do a survey as to how many wardens actually hunt big game. Very few would be my guess. More hunt upland game and even more go fishing..
As far as the regs...they are a bit different than last year. Anyway, not to start a pissing match but in previous years the hard copy regs were ut at least a month before the early June deadline. Hmmm maybe I will draw a desert big horn sheep tag this year.
 
I was watching the outdoor channel a while back and enjoy watching the show called "Wardens" about the Montana Game Wardens.
They encountered a guy in the field with a downed antelope, the guy was pretty much a greenhorn and had an improperly filled out tag.
The warden straightened him out, getting his tag properly punched, then after chatting with the guy, volunteered to gut the antelope for him!
Spoke volumes about the difference in cultures when you contrast that with that "Wild Justice" show about California wardens......God I want out of here.
 
I hear you HH. That's exactly why we plan on moving out as soon as I retire. 6 more years and it won't come soon enough. I too think that hunting in Ca. Is on it's way out. No more lion hunting, remember the F&W commissioner or whatever he was taking a perfectly legal lion in another state and they crucified him over it. Then no dogs for Bear hunting and F&W made the insane comment that it wouldn't affect the amount killed.REALLY! I heard that they didn't even come close to the quota this past year. Anyone know if that is true? Then no lead. What's next? I hear they want to make the wolf an endangered species for Ca. Don't know how that went down but one of these days they will. Then they will bring them in.The Anti's will take it all away one of these days.
 
One of the many reasons I am no longer in CA. Been the best 6 years of my life on the other side of the river.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-29-14 AT 11:33PM (MST)[p]I'm happy with it. I thought when you put in for a raffle the less people that put In was better. Am I wrong??
 
You are wrong. We need more hunters. We are already the minority, we need as many voices as possible.

Yes, I hate bumping into hunters on every ridge in some of the "prime" hunting areas. I just think that it we want a chance for future CA hunting rights, we need more hunters.

PS: Keep hiking another two miles past the good spots and you will have the mountain to yourself. Plenty of room for everybody.
 
I understand that our Fish and Wildlife or Fish and Game whatever you want to call them are screwed up, that is why I posted the message.
There are some great opportunities for hunting in the Golden State, Tule Elk, Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt Elk the only state with all three, Desert Big Horns, etc, even though the chances are slim we still have some hunts anyone would want to go on.
The trouble is that we can't get a hunter to run the department, we have Jim Kellogg in there now but he is getting older and won't be around much longer.
We need hunters to rally in the state and stick together or we won't be hunting in this state much longer if they have their way.
 
No big deal to me but there are several above comments that i don't agree with.

Calif certainly has it's share of problems but i'm sseeing problems from "Most" states out there so Ca is certainly not alone in this matter. Then there is the fact that the "booklet has been available on-line and most of the info has been available to those who looked for it.

As far as the Hunting opportunities here in Cali, i've been hunting bucks every year here with a deer tag(s) in pocket in since 1964. There are states where that is only a dream. A couple Antelope draws, a lot of LE Muley draws, ducks, Bear over the counter, turkey over the counter, pigs over the counter, deer over the counter, upland..., critters..., plus the fishing.

Yes, things have changed for the worse but those who complain of the opportunity are too lazy to search out hunting that can be had and those who complain of our Game dept would complain where ever they were.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
LAST EDITED ON May-30-14 AT 04:02PM (MST)[p]I moved to NM to get away from the city folks/huggers,etc. but CA held opportunity that was above alot western states. Variety.
Yeah, some HAD that trophy potential consistently,but it is lacking these days IMHO.
Some exceptions, like my local elk now....

I never understand why CA has always been slow at getting the books out and the short turnaround to deadlines. I knew what last years book looked like to get ahead,and hunted the same spots for 35 yrs. And never really expected to draw any of the tough hunts there.

NM has been mostly online for years,and is now paperless.
You can pick up a 1/4 size paper edition of reg.s.
You know way early on the book,3 months.And short turn around on the draw. Plenty of time to scout.
Only bummer is they don't release the draw odds for current year til after deadline. But they don't change that much.

As for DFG or wildlife whatever now folk's, I have personally known a few and one,a 35 yr field warden, was a very close friend. I worked with them and for the most part they WHERE good folks,but alot of the old school good wardens retired and some of the new hot shots I saw gave me pause...

As stated above,you gotta stick together. There are a lot of hunters in CA and I wish you the best.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-30-14 AT 07:17PM (MST)[p]>No big deal to me but
>there are several above comments
>that i don't agree with.
>
>
> Calif certainly has it's share
>of problems but i'm sseeing
>problems from "Most" states out
>there so Ca is certainly
>not alone in this matter.
>Then there is the fact
>that the "booklet has been
>available on-line and most of
>the info has been available
>to those who looked for
>it.
>
> As far as the Hunting
>opportunities here in Cali, i've
>been hunting bucks every year
>here with a deer tag(s)
>in pocket in since 1964.
>There are states where that
>is only a dream. A
>couple Antelope draws, a lot
>of LE Muley draws, ducks,
>Bear over the counter, turkey
>over the counter, pigs over
>the counter, deer over the
>counter, upland..., critters..., plus the
>fishing.
>
>Yes, things have changed for the
>worse but those who complain
>of the opportunity are too
>lazy to search out hunting
>that can be had and
>those who complain of our
>Game dept would complain where
>ever they were.
>
>Joey


Joey,

I've lived here in California all my life and used to defend it from the army of California haters out there that assault us verbally every day on these outdoor message boards.
I've had tremendous fishing and hunting all of my life, probably better than a lot who live in the so called "outdoor destination states"
I've lived a good,rural life living on a cattle ranch for some time and now on a piece of ground in the hills that is surrounded with wildlife and pretty decent minded rural valued folks.

I say "used to defend California" as in past tense now.
I've watched people like us (hunters, ranchers, trappers, houndsmen, shooters) come under attack for quite some while, and things are rapidly getting worse if you monitor what's on the agenda.

I watched as the public voted away our ability to hunt mountain lions.

I watched as the power of the majority took away our trapping.

I watched as the left leaning majority rallied behind the banning of hound hunting for bears and bobcats.

I shook my head as they banned the hunting of game with lead bullets.

I watched the huge petition drives to ban the coyote hunting contest in Adin that I enjoyed over the years.
(The ban is in the works right now.)

I see now a strong push to permanently protect gray wolves even though the state claims there aren't any here (yet).
How ya think that's going to affect hooved ungulates in this state?
No doubt that will be a slam dunk as a ballot measure.

Then there are the ridiculously restrictive gun laws and the strangulating rules and regulations of every kind, Hell, in 2014 alone over 800 new laws were put on the books......When T.F. is it ever going to end?

Truth is it's not.

California is run by the large population centers that are some of the most liberal minded in the entire country, they set the rules, they dictate what you can or cannot do, even in the remote regions of this huge state.
Most conservative people b.i.t.c.h, piss and moan about California's outrageously liberal politicians, you know, Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer, Brown, (and his underling who is the worst you could possibly imagine if you are a hunter) lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsome, just to mention a few.
The BIGGER problem is the fact that these cretins continue to get re-elected year after year after year because they ARE EXACTLY what the majority of citizens in this state WANT!
It's the overwhelming population that is the problem more than the present cast of figure heads in office.

I know how good rural California is, from the high sage of Modoc County to the rugged Trinity Alps to , to the beautiful Sierra Nevada mountains. I've thoroughly enjoyed the incredible salmon and steelhead fishing, exceptional waterfowling and upland gamebird hunting and I've always had plenty of bucks to look at on over the counter tags, but us conservative rural types are outnumbered so vastly that our tiny voices simply don't matter any more.

I have a beautiful home in the country, that physically lets me escape the madness of the Bay Area rat race and have spent a lifetime in many of the best regions of the state.
Maybe I read too much news or follow too much politics, but I'm at wits end.
The only thing keeping me here is the fact that my wife has some extremely deep roots here and if I leave, I leave alone.
 
HH said, "I know how good rural California is, from the high sage of Modoc County to the rugged Trinity Alps to , to the beautiful Sierra Nevada mountains. I've thoroughly enjoyed the incredible salmon and steelhead fishing, exceptional waterfowling and upland gamebird hunting and I've always had plenty of bucks to look at on over the counter tags,.."

Harry, i know what kind of outdoorsmen you are and how you have defended this State because it has way more opportunity in the outdoors than what most people would think or want to believe.

That said, all the above quoted stuff you said about is still here. We still have it! Maybe you have gotten too involved in trying to "save the world from the evil empire, i don't know, but i'm looking forward to teaching my next hunters ed class, we had 60 students in the last one, and planning for another nice hunting season this year."

Have i given in to the libs? Heck no, never will, but i'm not going to let them get me down. No matter where we go, things are changing and nothing is going to ever be as it was. IMO, life is too short, fight them yes, but don't go at it like we're going to or have to win every battle. It's just not going to happen.

Enjoy your seasons Harry!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I live in Utah and still come back to California every year to hunt and fish. I have hunted all over the west and still love the B Zones. The Warners are still my favorite place in the world, and Steelhead fishing on the Smith, Klamath, and Trinty bring me back each year. I also like pig and turkey hunting in Tehama county. I was born and raised in Cottonwood among some of the most conservative folks I have still ever met. Sure the battle is being lost, but you will find me haunting the northern mountains until they finally ban our kind completely. Even if I do have to shoot non toxic, semi lethal bullets coated with pain killer and anti biotics.----SS
 
HH, after reading your reply again and a little thought, instead of writing what i did, i probably jut should have said,

"OK", i agree, good luck!

You don't need my comments or thoughts on your take of what's going on. You earned the right to believe or think any way you damm choose. My apologies!!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
No worries Joey.
There are some good folks up where you live.
It's no wonder there are people that have considered splitting the state up.
Some of the places up in the northeastern corner of the state you cold easily mistake for Wyoming or Montana both geographically and culturally.
 
>Some of the places up in
>the northeastern corner of the
>state you cold easily mistake
>for Wyoming or Montana both
>geographically and culturally.

All true except the women in NE Cali are way hotter than those in Wyoming or Montana.....just sayin'---------SS
 
I have read all of the above and agree and disagree with some. I am in a group of sportsmen who have hunted and fished in this state for longer than I care to explain. We all support the individual groups like the Sportsman Coalition, Ducks unlimited, etc and give my hard earned dollars to those groups that can unite and help out the cause.
We have put our elected officials on notice that we will protect our gun rights even at the expense of voting them out of office and replacing them with another who sees that our rights are important to us.
This is a drastic measure but probably the only thing these elected officials will understand. There are elected officials who are in our court Jim Frasier is one of them. He had new Junior hunts put in place this year and this is great. It brings new hunters into the mix and supports our views and concerns.
My whole take on this matter is we need people who represent our way of life in office and if they don't support us VOTE THEM OUT. This is why it is so important to vote.
By the way Jerry Browns cronie will not be getting my vote today and nether will anyone else who doesn't support our hunting and fishing rights. There are several in my sights, isn't that the way a hunter would say that!!!!!!
 
Just like clockwork.
There is indeed no end to the madness that is California....

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Gray-wolf-wins-endangered-status-in-California-5529091.php

The path for the eventual return of the gray wolf to the Golden State was paved Wednesday when the California Fish and Game Commission voted to list the predator under the California Endangered Species Act, a decision that went against the recommendation of state wildlife officials.

The 3-to-1 vote by the commission, which could have a profound effect on wildlife management in the state, came amid reports Wednesday that a remote camera in the Rogue River-Siskiyou National Forest, in southwestern Oregon, has detected at least two puppies apparently fathered by the storied wolf known as OR7, the lonely lobo who recently traveled into California and has been skirting the border ever since.

Experts widely believe that the dispersing offspring of OR7 will eventually establish a pack in California and begin the repopulation of the species, which were killed off here almost 90 years ago. It is a scenario that many conservationists have been hoping for and ranchers have been dreading.

"While other states bicker and quarrel, California adds the latest chapter to one of the world's greatest biological success stories," said Damon Nagami, an attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council. "The dispersal of wolves out of the northern Rockies will help to bring balance to other ecosystems in need of their stabilizing influence."

The commission's wolf decision was promptly followed by a unanimous decision not to give the great white shark similar protections in California.

The great whites were rejected on grounds that the species is already well protected and because recent anecdotal evidence from pinniped deaths and sightings indicate that shark numbers may actually be increasing. State wildlife biologists estimate that there are 3,000 great white sharks that visit coastal waters, but those numbers are hotly debated.

The decisions about the fates of two of the most feared predators on land and sea came after numerous studies and long and fractious debates over the effect the animals could have on people and the ecosystem. The majority of the dozens of speakers on the two issues were in favor of naming both wolves and the great white endangered species.

Ranchers and hunting groups in California have been adamantly opposed to protecting wolves, calling them "killing machines" that gut calves for fun and "coyotes on steroids" that will take livestock, harm ranchers and ruin the industry.

The five-member commission delayed a vote this past April so they could gather more information and public comment. Chuck Bonham, the director of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife, recommended not listing the wolf after a yearlong review by his staff. The agency report said scientific evidence supported some protections but not a full listing.

The recommendation also said there were no wolves in California to protect, so there was no reason to list them.

The recommendation was a big blow to conservation groups, especially after a controversial decision by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 2011 to delist wolves in the northern Rockies. Endangered-species protections were also removed in the western Great Lakes region. Conservation groups argued that it was disingenuous to use the successful extirpation of wolves in California as an excuse not to protect them.

The commission's decision was in response to a petition filed by conservationists in 2012. The petition cited OR7, so named because he was the seventh wolf radio-collared in Oregon. That wolf traveled thousands of miles through some of California's most scenic wilderness, but could not find a mate. He left the state over a year ago for Oregon, where wolves are protected under state law.

Gray wolves, which once roamed across the continent, were exterminated in the lower 48 states, except Minnesota, in the 19th and early 20th centuries largely to protect livestock. The last known native California wolf was trapped and killed in Lassen County in 1924.

In 1995, 66 Canadian wolves were released in Yellowstone National Park and central Idaho in an attempt to bring the apex predator back. They have since moved into northeastern Oregon, where there are more than two dozen wolves in a handful of packs.

Wildlife advocates say the delisting in 2011 led to a killing spree in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, where close to 1,000 wolves have been trapped and shot. Photos of wolf trophies and skins have become increasingly popular as conservative lawmakers have ramped up their efforts to remove remaining protections.
 
This why we have to vote, every fisherman or hunter has to stick together and vote these people out of office. Send a strong message, don't they have better things to do than this?
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-05-14 AT 11:54AM (MST)[p]There were 363,000 hunting licenses sold in Ca. last year, that compared to the total population of 38.04 million, and of that less than 29% are registered republicans.
Republicans in California have declined from 35.2% in 2003 to 28.9% in 2013. In fact, there are roughly 100,000 fewer Republicans today than there were 10 years ago, even as the registered population has grown by 2.9 million voters

Kind of hard to send a strong message with those glaring numbers.
 
Unfortunately the commission is an appointed seat by the Governor. Being that both tha Assembly and Senate are controlled by liberal Dumboasses and the Gov is a polished progressive Democrat...we are fubared.
 
As an ex-CA fish and game warden I can tell you that my academy class had 17 cadets ( I think, it could have been a bit more) and only three of us were hunters. Many of the cadets had never shot a pistol before either. CA wardens are taught as cadets to write tickets versus education. Education comes after the citation is written.
 
Yup, I had an infamous nor Cal warden tell me that if I saw all the horrors that he saw that I'd hate hunters too. I replied, "so you hate hunters?" That was the end of the conversation and the harassment thankfully.

Was stopped by a Utah warden this week. Took him about a minute to size me up and realize that I was above board, then the tension was gone and we had a great conversation. That's how it should be.

Public servants should try to be as nice as possible during the commission of their duties. Many have it figured out, apparently they leave that chapter out during the academy for California wardens.......possibly due to budget cuts?--------SS
 
I had max points in all species in CA 6 years ago. They screwed up my applications and I missed a year.
Will never apply in CA again.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jun-20-14 AT 10:02PM (MST)[p] "They screwed up my applications and I missed a year.
Will never apply in CA again."

lol, Again with the "somebody else screwed up my application"?

Edit, "I have 12 points for deer in CO and my wife by a screw up put me in for a tag that takes 4 points instead of a bonus point like I told her."

I guess if you can throw your wife under the bus about your Colorado tag, might as well blame this State too for what generally is ones own responsibility.

Gripe, gripe, gripe about Calif near every chance you get. Personally, i'm glad you're gone, they can have you.

Joey



"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 

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