REMINGTON QUALITY DOWN???

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Seem's like the Quality is Down on Remington 700's & Probably others the last few years?

I'll Keep My Old ones!

Wouldn't Trade them Nor Sell them!

Instead of Building CHEAP Stuff they Shoulda made a few Improvements & They Woulda sold more!

When I was Younger I Swore I'd never Buy another CVA or Savage!

Both of them have came way up in the Quality the last Few Years!

Your thoughts & Opinions on Recent Quality of Guns/Brands?










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
They're all down. I understand though. The young people don't want to spend $900 dollars on a rifle anymore. A $350 Ruger American sounds real good to them over the more expensive rifles. I
Made up my mind to only buy Custom or top end like Cooper or Sako. It breaks my heart the attitude is like this. The old days when there was quality must have been nice. I wish I was there. The Gun culture has changed for the worst too. My small town of 5000 people actually had a rifle club back in the era from the 30s to the 60s. They would shoot quality stuff like Model 52 Winchesters and 40x Remington's. If you were to try to start a gun club there now, you might get a person or two that would be interested. And you certainly won't find any Anschutz, Walther or the old pre 64 rimfires from the people that show up.
 
Remington quality has gone in the toilet now for about the last 15 years or more. This is what happens when bean counters are in charge. Even back in the early 2000's when a customer was interested in a Remington, I would put a Howa 1500 side by side with the Remmy and 4 out of 5 times they bought the Howa.

Old Remington stuff was great. I still buy old Wingmasters when I find a good deal. The fact that Remington knew about a faulty trigger for decades and refused to do anything about it, tells me all I need to know. The 597 fiasco when Remington offered a voucher on a new Remington for the recalled gun at less than the original purchase price was another one.

The last 10 years Remingtons business strategy was to buy good firearms companies and then turn those companies products into the same crap quality. They have been in financial trouble for over 20 years and have been getting bailed out or acquired several times.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT REMINGTON COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS. There are still a lot of Remington fanboys in denial out there and that's the only reason big green still exists.

If you think all gun companies have gone down hill that's not exactly true, look at Browning for one example. But the truth is firearms companies have been in a race to the bottom because cheap guns are where the majority of sales are now.

When you hear people say " but the 700 is the most popular receiver for custom builds" It isn't because it is the greatest action, It is because it is the simplest receiver for lesser skilled smiths to work on.
 
I haven't bought a "new"rifle in years.....gunbroker is full of 20 + year old remingtons....brownings....winchesters....like new...


50 year old 521's and 522's are even cheap....and great rifles


other peoples used stuff seems to be way better shape than my old stuff is my experience.....


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I have re-barreled several Rem. 700s when I use to do gun smithing prior to making knives. The Howa was a far better action on improvements on the rem 700 and quality control was far better then Rem.
I have found Rem. 700 actions off centered on the barrel threads by as much as 40 thousands. that is piss poor quality control as the Rem. action is a round cylinder design that is easy to center in the lathe for cutting the barrel threads.

when Rem. bought out Marlin, the quality control took a nose dive on the Marlin lever action rifles. Many die hard Marlin fans will not touch a new RemLin and prefer to buy a used pre-Rem. rifle over the new ones put out by Rem.

RELH
 
Don?t mean to divert this thread as can't speak to Remingtons. Can bring up the same issue with Kimber! Their quality has taken a nose dive since the original Kimber ownership located in Oregon was bought out and relocated to Yonkers, NY and customer service in Montana. I recently bought two new Hunter Pro Octane rifles that would not chamber or close the bolt on cartridges. Sent them back for repair after much back and forth over a five month period. Rifles were ?repaired? after reaming out and ?polishing? and returned as being within?specifications?! Would still not chamber all cartridges cleanly. Called Kimber and was told they worked fine and again within their ?specifications?! Told them I wanted to return and have never heard back including the owner of Kimber whom I wrote a detailed letter regarding this experience! Rethink buying Kimber!
 
It sort of reminds me of the movie Meet the Parents. The new Son-in-Law, was trying to make a good impression on the dad and was at a store, wanted to buy a nice bottle of Champagne, and asked the worker "what is the best", he said "Mums" and that it's on sale for $12.99. He said he wanted something better, maybe $70 -$90. The clerk said, "you could buy a whole bunch of Mums". That's how people look at guns now.
 
I've got a bunch of old guns....

All my Savages work great. I got a 110 in 1967 or so. Still accurate and it just feels good. Couple of the newer ones work well too. All my Winchesters work great. I've got some p64s that look un touched. One is NIB.

Remingtons...ugh...I only have two (one is a Remington action custom)

First year....one week before leaving on elk trip, i went to the range to do a final check...the extractor broke on my Sendero. Smithy said the bolt from my custom gun would work. He installed a Sako style extractor. Next year, just before elk season, the bolt handle fell off. I have pictures and you can clearly see the piss poor solder job.


Done with remington.

?Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. "
 
>Don?t mean to divert this thread
>as can't speak to Remingtons.
>Can bring up the same
>issue with Kimber! Their quality
>has taken a nose dive
>since the original Kimber ownership
>located in Oregon was bought
>out and relocated to Yonkers,
> NY and customer service
>in Montana. I recently bought
>two new Hunter Pro Octane
>rifles that would not chamber
>or close the bolt on
>cartridges. Sent them back for
>repair after much back and
>forth over a five month
>period. Rifles were ?repaired? after
>reaming out and ?polishing? and
>returned as being within?specifications?! Would
>still not chamber all cartridges
>cleanly. Called Kimber and was
>told they worked fine and
>again within their ?specifications?! Told
>them I wanted to return
>and have never heard back
>including the owner of Kimber
>whom I wrote a detailed
>letter regarding this experience! Rethink
>buying Kimber!

Remington and Kimber are owned by the same parent company. So the same bean counting, more for less policies are implemented across the board.
 
>I have re-barreled several Rem. 700s
>when I use to do
>gun smithing prior to making
>knives. The Howa was a
>far better action on improvements
>on the rem 700 and
>quality control was far better
>then Rem.
> I have found
>Rem. 700 actions off centered
>on the barrel threads by
>as much as 40 thousands.
>that is piss poor quality
>control as the Rem. action
>is a round cylinder design
>that is easy to center
>in the lathe for cutting
>the barrel threads.
>
>when Rem. bought out Marlin, the
>quality control took a nose
>dive on the Marlin lever
>action rifles. Many die hard
>Marlin fans will not touch
>a new RemLin and prefer
>to buy a used pre-Rem.
>rifle over the new ones
>put out by Rem.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RELH

Another quality problem with the 700's now days is that often the scope base mounting holes are drilled off center.
 
When I used to film hunts I spent a lot of time in Alaska on bear hunts. I watched one guy lose a bear because he couldn't get a follow up shot because the extractor failed to extract the case from his first shot. I was also with a guide and hunter, set up on a river (fall hunt) for brown bear. The hunter had his 700 chambered with the safety on. When it was time to leave we all stood up and were facing each other when the hunter took his Remmy off safety and boom, his .375 went off. Luckily it was pointed straight up. I don't think three people have ever simultaneously chit their pants like we did at that moment. That was an instance of Remingtons faulty trigger in action.
 
After a very bad experience with a $1,200 700 a couple of years ago, I'll be hard-pressed to ever buy a Remington again.
 
>Have you handled a new 870
>recently? POS
>
>Hasbean


Bought one based on my old as dirt ringmaster. Shouldn't have done that.
 
If you are a waterfowler you may already know that they never did have a good semi auto,they did always at least fire once in cold weather. I have 2 870 and they will last for a couple thousand years,I only use them for turkey and guests, and I have 2 older 700 that would work for a couple thousand more years also. After 40 years I did break an extracter but they are about 4 dollars and can be installed in a moment,not fast enough for a second shot at a bear, but you could have one ready. Both rifles are accurate,smooth actions with timney triggers.The 300 wmag is a lot smoother and about 2 lbs lighter than my wifes mark v 7mag, she likes her rifle but never has to carry it.I don't know what the quality is like now but they did make a product good enough that I never needed to buy again,I wish they made pickups like that.
 
>If you are a waterfowler
>you may already know that
>they never did have a
>good semi auto,they did always
>at least fire once in
>cold weather. I have 2
>870 and they will last
>for a couple thousand years,I
>only use them for turkey
>and guests, and I have
>2 older 700 that would
>work for a couple thousand
>more years also. After 40
>years I did break
> an extracter but they
>are about 4 dollars and
>can be installed in a
>moment,not fast enough for a
>second shot at a bear,
>but you could have one
>ready. Both rifles are accurate,smooth
>actions with timney triggers.The 300
>wmag is a lot smoother
>and about 2 lbs lighter
>than my wifes mark v
>7mag, she likes her rifle
>but never has to
>carry it.I don't know what
>the quality is like now
>but they did make a
>product good enough that I
>never needed to buy again,I
>wish they made pickups like
>that.

They do, Toyota Tundra!!
 
>>If you are a waterfowler
>>you may already know that
>>they never did have a
>>good semi auto,they did always
>>at least fire once in
>>cold weather. I have 2
>>870 and they will last
>>for a couple thousand years,I
>>only use them for turkey
>>and guests, and I have
>>2 older 700 that would
>>work for a couple thousand
>>more years also. After 40
>>years I did break
>> an extracter but they
>>are about 4 dollars and
>>can be installed in a
>>moment,not fast enough for a
>>second shot at a bear,
>>but you could have one
>>ready. Both rifles are accurate,smooth
>>actions with timney triggers.The 300
>>wmag is a lot smoother
>>and about 2 lbs lighter
>>than my wifes mark v
>>7mag, she likes her rifle
>>but never has to
>>carry it.I don't know what
>>the quality is like now
>>but they did make a
>>product good enough that I
>>never needed to buy again,I
>>wish they made pickups like
>>that.
>
>They do, Toyota Tundra!!

Them Break & Wear out too!









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
Gotta have a Remington bashing thread every once in awhile. Wonder when the next one on long range hunting will pop up? mtmuley
 
>Gotta have a Remington bashing thread
>every once in awhile. Wonder
>when the next one on
>long range hunting will pop
>up? mtmuley


These Remington bashing threads are well deserved. There is no denying they used to make great products. My second shotgun ever was an 1100, I bought it used for $150 when I was 16. It was a great gun, but it was made nearly 40 years ago. It failed on me once in Alaska with a bad o-ring and I finally traded it off for a mini-14.

If Remington still made products the way they used to and had decent customer service, there wouldn't be all these Remington bashing threads.
 
>I enjoy these threads bob. Just
>like I enjoy my Remingtons.
>To each his own. mtmuley
>

It's the Newer Remington's mt!

How many Newer ones do you have?









I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I know quite a few guys shooting AWR's and the Long Range 700. No problems with accuracy. I'd buy an AWR in a heartbeat. Last one I bought has a j-lock. Supposed to be bad. Shoots under MOA as far as I"ve taken it, just over 1000 yards. mtmuley
 
>I know quite a few guys
>shooting AWR's and the Long
>Range 700. No problems with
>accuracy. I'd buy an AWR
>in a heartbeat. Last one
>I bought has a j-lock.
>Supposed to be bad. Shoots
>under MOA as far as
>I"ve taken it, just over
>1000 yards. mtmuley


Ya!

Mine are Pre J-Lock!

Don't know if that matters or not?










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
I just bought my first Remington ever for my son. A model seven chambered in 7 mm 08. It feels so good in the hands and fit him well so we took it home.
It groups fairly decently thus far so we will see what happens ...
 
> I just bought my first
>Remington ever for my son.
>A model seven chambered in
>7 mm 08. It feels
>so good in the hands
>and fit him well so
>we took it home.
> It groups fairly decently thus
>far so we will see
>what happens ...


I really like the feel of the model 7's as well. I've only owned one that I took in a trade and soon got rid of it in another trade. I've only had one J-lock 700 and that was a .375 RUM. I did have a Rifles Inc. 300 Ultra mag that I bought from someone on this site. Of course Rifles Inc. custom isn't your average 700, Lex makes some of the finest customs IMO.
 
New guns are just like new everything...they don't want to manufacture things that last a long time...it would ruin the trade economy...
 
>New guns are just like new
>everything...they don't want to manufacture
>things that last a long
>time...it would ruin the trade
>economy...


For the most part I agree with that, but there always has been and always will be a niche market for quality. Those people will pay the price for quality. Look at the amount of custom gun makers out there (even though at the moment I believe there is not enough demand for the amount of custom gun makers). There will always be a market for quality but not for the masses.
 
I had a 1971 model 700 BDL in .243 BDL. I wish I still had it. I wanted more power but it was plenty for Deer and Pronghorn. I use a Kimber .270 Montana in Stainless and synth stick now and I bought it in 2009. It has done everything I want with Barnes Ballistic factory and reloads. I have a Leopold VX4 4-12?50 on the Kimber and it sure is nice to carry and shoot out to 450 yds.
I still own a 1941 Golden State Arms Santa Fe Mauser Deluxe 30.06 that never failed but it is heavy.
I must have got lucky on my Kimber as it is all I want. Never owned any custom rifles but I would lean towards Christensen if I buy one.
 
I have an old 870 Wing master - never thought much of their long guns.
I was given an 11-87 years and years ago and gave it away.
 
I can't speak for the newer Remingtons, but I own several. First is two 1100's, date of manufacture from the late 1970's. They haven't been overused or abused. One is a backup turkey gun for out-of-state hunts, and the other is my skeet and trap gun. The o-ring on one of them failed a few years ago, but after 40 years, it was probably due.

Also own an 870 Super Mag for turkey hunting. It has been used extensively since 1999. Not that I don't take care of it, but if you turkey hunt, it's gonna get rained on, muddy, etc. After 20 years, the slide action was worn and had to be replaced.

And finally, own a 7mm and 300 model 700. Both are tack drivers, and purchased new around 2000.

Bottom line, I like the ones I have, and will probably shoot them for as long as I'm shooting!
 
I have two older 11-87's (pre 1994) with 3" chambers and 30" barrels and they have been the best shotguns I've ever owned. I turned a good shooting Rem 700 300 Win Mag into a semi custom gun and it's a flat out shooter.

I bought that rifle in 2006 and I must have got lucky on that one as it shot pretty good right out of the box.

With all the problems they are having now I wouldn't buy a new one. I do like the ones I own allot.
 
Have any of you tried the Triangular Remington Barrel?










I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D
 
> Have any of you tried
>the Triangular Remington Barrel?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!:D:D:D

Yes, i have a VTR in .204 caliber its a damn fine shooter...

I also have my grandpa's Rem 722 in .222 that is one that will out shoot anything...
 
I would definitely say barrel quality is way up. Hot caliber barrels used to last 1000 rounds. Now it's hard to burn them out.
 
Tikka, jealous of that 722. Especially in that cartridge. I have a 721 in .06 that was my grandfather's. Great rifles. mtmuley
 
>Tikka, jealous of that 722. Especially
>in that cartridge. I have
>a 721 in .06 that
>was my grandfather's. Great rifles.
>mtmuley


mtmuley, I'm telling you its one fun shooting gun...
 
I have a .222 in a Model 788. It's my most accurate rifle and a blast to shoot. I load the 40 grain V-Max in it. I know a guy that has both a 722 and an older 700 in .222. He won't let go of either one. mtmuley
 
>I have a .222 in a
>Model 788. It's my most
>accurate rifle and a blast
>to shoot. I load the
>40 grain V-Max in it.
>I know a guy that
>has both a 722 and
>an older 700 in .222.
>He won't let go of
>either one. mtmuley


The 788 is known for accuracy. Of course they were made when Remington took pride in their product.
 

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