Antelope island winner (not who you think)

great I hope he tells mossback to stay away!
hornkiller.jpg
 
Guess it depends on who really hunts. 24 year old guide "bought" it.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>great I hope he tells mossback
>to stay away!

From what I have heard the hunter is still planning on hunting with Mossback.
 
Lol, he spent the day with Doyle and sat next to him at the auction. Jumped up and hugged him when he won the tag. Why in THE hellll would he stay away from Mossback???? Because they have been successful in the past? Because Doyle spends hrs upon hrs on the island taking amazing pictures and documenting each of the big bucks. Geesh I swear hunters are the biggest group of jealous crybabies I've ever been around!
 
No kidding, if a guy has the bank, lacks the time, why not hire Doyle? He's proven that he can help someone kill a monster.....numerous times.

When my net worth hits $10 million, I'll bid on that tag........

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
Will you LIKE MonsterMuleys.com on Facebook! I need a friend....
 
I think Mossbacks fee includes meals, which can be appealing to a guy on a budget.

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
Tuff to say until tag in hand but i don't believe i'd do a A.I. hunt.

I'd hunt with Doyle in a heartbeat though. Life is short guys, do what you can!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
So Uncle sage?

You would just waste the 390K Tag?:D

>Tuff to say until tag in
>hand but i don't believe
>i'd do a A.I. hunt.
>
>
>I'd hunt with Doyle in a
>heartbeat though. Life is short
>guys, do what you can!
>
>
>Joey
>
>
>"It's all about knowing what your
>firearms practical limitations are and
>combining that with your own
>personal limitations!"










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"You would just waste the 390K Tag?"

No, the Island hunt has never appealed to me. That hunt is for somebody else. I do like to see the big racks from there though.

Now Henrys? Pauns, some of the other better units with Mossback? Yep, i'd do it in a heartbeat if i had the means and could see my way clear!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
I would never go guided no matter the funds, size, whatever. My satisfaction comes from my hard work and skill and becoming successful from that, always been about the journey for me start to finish. Anybody can squeeze the trigger, and if that does it for them sweet, just not my style.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-15 AT 09:41PM (MST)[p]>I would never go guided no
>matter the funds, size, whatever.
>My satisfaction comes from my
>hard work and skill and
>becoming successful from that, always
>been about the journey for
>me start to finish. Anybody
>can squeeze the trigger, and
>if that does it for
>them sweet, just not my
>style.

^^^Now here's someone that gets it!^^^
Not bashing anyone else but, to me, it's just not "hunting!" If this is what floats their boat...more power to 'em.
 
Size of the rack it NOT the true measure of a trophy in my book. 8 guys in 8 separate drainages with radios saying "come here" isn't my gig. Personally I would have a pit in my stomach viewing that mount on my wall. Just saying!!
 
Its interesting that when somebody posts up a story or pic about a hunt that they spent countless hrs studying draw odds. Hours spent contacting biologists and previous hunters. Nights spent studying maps. Summer burning gallons of gas and time on multiple scouting trips and then shoots big buck or bull. Its all positive. Which is great, its how I honestly hunt 90% of the time.
The difference is I never see a Doctor or Lawyer or successful businessman get on here and hammer that hunter for how they did their hunt. I never see anyone jump on and say, wow you sure wasted a lot of time you could have spent with your family, or man you could have been working on an important social issue in the court system of studying a cure for cancer. Yet the DIY hunters are always willing to jump on and hammer the guy that has money and passion to hunt but maybe lacks the time to hunt the they way the DIY guy does. I for one am thankful to see successful people have a passion for hunting. They have the money and connections to fight battles that I do not have. Think about the dollars generated at the Expo auctions in just two days for honestly a handful of tags in big picture. Millions!!! Literally millions that will go directly back to the Wildlife agencies that help allow the common guy DIY hunters to continue to do what they love to do. These types of passionate generous hunters are a huge key to the future of the common mans hunting heritage to say differently is nothing more than being either bullheaded or naive.
 
Holy He!! is right! Not only $390K for that AI tag, but $320K for the Arizona tag too. Apparently, $710K plus guide fees to hunt two mule deer this fall is no problem for this 24 year old "guide" from Canada. I'm in the wrong business!

Oh crap, where are Denny and Robert gona hunt this year????
 
One good thing is I will never have to worry about making that choice. If the young buck can afford to buy all those high priced auction tags the more power to him. I could care less if he chooses to use a guide or not. It is not my choice or my money. Just don't parade yourself around the country telling everyone how badass of a hunter you are...
 
>One good thing is I will
>never have to worry about
>making that choice. If the
>young buck can afford to
>buy all those high priced
>auction tags the more power
>to him. I could care
>less if he chooses to
>use a guide or not.
>It is not my choice
>or my money. Just don't
>parade yourself around the country
>telling everyone how badass of
>a hunter you are...

Well LoneWati, you show me one post on MM or any other forum where Denny, or any other rich hunter you read about here on MM tells everyone how great a hunter they are. I'll bet you'll struggle as much if not more than the rich guy on a mountain.


Yelum

YBU

7019yelumlogosig2.jpg
 
390K and a 24 year old "Guide"??? He's doing something besides guiding!!! He either married well, was born into it, or has one heck of a garden in Northern California somewhere.
 
I'm with Sage, the Island hunt doesn't appeal to me. If it did or if I drew the Henry's or Pauns. I still wouldn't hire a guide, it's just not me. I don't judge the guy who would but to me the buck is somehow just "LESS".

If they can look at it and be proud then fine, more power to them.

As for the whole argument of successful, rich people not having the time to do the scouting etc. necessary to find the best buck themselves I call BULLCHIT. I know a few rich people who spend weeks on vacations, whether hunting or on some tropical island. If it was important to them they would do it. If it's not important to them then why do it?

I hunt because it is second in importance in my life only to my family. Speaking of which, they would be with me scouting for and hunting that "special" tag just like they are on the general tags we hunt together.

But I will look at the pics of the Island bucks killed with the tags sold for 7 or 8 years worth of my wages and marvel at what nature can create.

The last people I judge in this is mossback, their only doing what they do well to make a living.

Bill

People who work for a living are quickly being
overwhelmed by people who vote for a living.
 
Bill,
Some rich people have more time than others, just like some poor people have more time than others. To these guys its important enough to drop $710,000 in a year to hunt 2 deer. They chase their passions just like you chase yours. I just don't see the backlash for your decisions or the way you choose to hunt.

You say I'm not judging, but...but.. like others you just needed to make sure that you let them know its not your cup of tea. That the buck would mean "LESS". That's my point, many guys on this forum never miss a chance to trot out their high horse and prance around on issues like this. You have no idea what drives these individuals what sacrifices they have made to be in a position to purchase these tags.

Tell me this, what about the guy that loses his wife and kids because he only wants to spend money scouting in a general area. Loses his job for calling in sick too many times so he can spend the entire hunt on the mountain. Does not let his kids play on sports teams cause the family is going on the mountain again to scout. That sends his wife to work everyday driving an old beat up car because he is using the money to apply for special tags all over the west. How about young kid with tons of success that never hires a guide and is completely DIY, because mom and dad pay all the bills and equip him with top end gear so no job just days and days on the hill. When those guys post up their trophies do you think they are "LESS"?? I'll bet you all of these scenarios have happened right here on MM and I've never once seen those types of questions asked. Only when a person with money purchases a tag do the tall ponies come out to trot. Only when a high profile guide is hired is there an attack on how a buck or bull was taken.

Please tell me which type of all those hunters is doing the overall sport more good? The young kid building his own reputation? The addict that puts hunting above all else? The guy putting $720,000 directly back into wildlife in a 24 hr period? To me the answer is obvious, get its that person that many on here choose to question and judge. Crazy, just plain crazy!
 
The money raised on these tags is AWESOME, no doubt about it.

There is I am certain all of the scenarios you point to in your last post but we don't hear those facts so there is no chance for the "ponies to come out". In the case of a $390,000 deer tag the fact is there for all to see and the ponies will trot.

I agree with much of your post and will openly admit that my saying that the deer harvested on these hunts mean less is a judgement on my part and I won't apologize for that in any way.

The scenarios you conjured are in fact much worse than some rich guy who wants to fly in and pull a trigger on an animal without a doubt. But the rich guy could be equally neglecting his family by spending his time working or by NOT taking them hunting instead of parading them onto a sports field for their own gratification, who knows?!?

People judge people, yes even you. What inspires that judgement may vary, but we all do it.

If the $720,000 is truly going directly back into wildlife then that is a win!

But the one thing I will highly disagree with in your post is that anyone who has $390,000 in surplus money doesn't have the time to put the work in on the hunt! This is simply not a reasonable assumption.

Bill

People who work for a living are quickly being
overwhelmed by people who vote for a living.
 
I'm bettin this 24 yr old Canadian guide bought these tags for a client of his who doesn't want any part of this spotlight.
 
I'm not sure what's more pathetic. The fact that every time someone opposes $fw or Mosspack muley73 then breaks out the jealousy card or that he knows who Doyal spends his days with.
Muley, do you know what Doyals favorite color is?
 
Shotgun1,
No I don't know much about Doyle other than he's damn good at what he does and seems like a nice when I've been around him.

Just like I don't know much about you, only what I can gather from your MM posts. Which would lead me to believe you're generally a bitter whinny assshole.

But maybe I might me wrong on both counts?
 
What if this guy with his name on the tags, is a city guy, never hunted, but wants to give it a shot. If he's that kind of guy, and goes out with Doyles help, and kills two giant bucks this year, I'd bet a chunk he'd be pretty darn pleased with the two animals he shot, and could care diddly about what any of us think.

No, he won't get the camping with the family while I find and shoot my own buck experience, but he can get that on the beaches of Hawaii.

Yelum

YBU

7019yelumlogosig2.jpg
 
Then I think he would probably quit right after with nothing more to accomplish. Haha.

Bill

People who work for a living are quickly being
overwhelmed by people who vote for a living.
 
>Its interesting that when somebody posts
>up a story or pic
>about a hunt that they
>spent countless hrs studying draw
>odds. Hours spent contacting biologists
>and previous hunters. Nights spent
>studying maps. Summer burning gallons
>of gas and time on
>multiple scouting trips and then
>shoots big buck or bull.
> Its all positive.
>Which is great, its how
>I honestly hunt 90% of
>the time.
>The difference is I never see
>a Doctor or Lawyer or
>successful businessman get on here
>and hammer that hunter for
>how they did their hunt.
> I never see anyone
>jump on and say, wow
>you sure wasted a lot
>of time you could have
>spent with your family, or
>man you could have been
>working on an important social
>issue in the court system
>of studying a cure for
>cancer. Yet the DIY
>hunters are always willing to
>jump on and hammer the
>guy that has money and
>passion to hunt but maybe
>lacks the time to hunt
>the they way the DIY
>guy does. I for
>one am thankful to see
>successful people have a passion
>for hunting. They have
>the money and connections to
>fight battles that I do
>not have. Think about
>the dollars generated at the
>Expo auctions in just two
>days for honestly a handful
>of tags in big picture.
> Millions!!! Literally millions that
>will go directly back to
>the Wildlife agencies that help
>allow the common guy DIY
>hunters to continue to do
>what they love to do.
>These types of passionate generous
>hunters are a huge key
>to the future of the
>common mans hunting heritage to
>say differently is nothing more
>than being either bullheaded or
>naive.

+1. Let these bucks die of old age or get money to help the species. Hmmm.... So what if it is not a "hunt" by others definition. Power to him and I am sure he doesn't give a darn what we think.


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>I'm bettin this 24 yr old
>Canadian guide bought these tags
>for a client of his
>who doesn't want any part
>of this spotlight.

I'd be willing to bet that's accurate and probably spent more than the 390k on tags at the auction.
 
>No kidding, if a guy has
>the bank, lacks the time,
>why not hire Doyle? He's
>proven that he can help
>someone kill a monster.....numerous times.
>
>
>When my net worth hits $10
>million, I'll bid on that
>tag........
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com
>Will you LIKE MonsterMuleys.com on Facebook!
>I need a friend....

No disrespect, but I bet you wouldn't. I don't know you, but I have read your tales, and seen pics, and I am sure you have been on the island, your not about shooting fish in a barrel.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
My .02,

1. I had hoped that with Denny getting older that his days of being the worlds greatest hunter(to you boot lickers) would soon be over. Now there is a 24 year old replacing him, I will be dead before this dude hangs up his personal jet, bought and paid for friend(mossback), and smoking jacket. He will be the worlds greatest for the rest of my life.

2. Muley73, so you know, when this bid went down I was home, hanging with the kids, I did jump up and hug one right before bed though. Oh, I guess you weren't worshipping me that night huh?

3. MDF made a real nice $39k and change on that deal, I know Antelope Island will be better for that!!

4. Will there ever be a day when we look at the deer herds in the early 90's when $fw started fleecing us, and where they are now and wonder what we got for the millions they have made?

5. Muley73, you can call me jealous, an A-hole, or whatever, but you getting called out in previous posts was just plain funny!!

6. How is it good for Sevier, Beaver, or Juab county that the restaraunts and hotels and hookers in Salt Lake made a ton of cash selling tags in there counties? I know The Satisfied Ewe in Ephraim doesn't have any expansion plans based on revenues from tags on the Manti being sold, most likely neither does Top Stop in Manti.

7. Last, and at times I have defended him, but how long until Tony Abbots Expo in Utah county starts wanting welfare, and how do you all plan to explain it doesn't deserve it, after all he helped get it for $fw, and I am sure "some" of the money would go to wildlife just like this abortion claims?




"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Is this guy/tag holder able to resell these tags? Just wondering if he might try and sell to a higher binder. I could care less where and who he hunts with. I just hope he posts pictures of the deer.

Where do you think the biggest buck will come from AZ or UT?
 
>Then I think he would probably
>quit right after with nothing
>more to accomplish. Haha.
>
>Bill
>
>People who work for a living
>are quickly being
>overwhelmed by people who vote for
>a living.

Bill, I went on my first elk hunt this year and shot a 370 class bull 2 minutes into opening morning on a DIY general season OTC bull tag on public land at 21 yards. Should I quit since I'll probably never top that?

Who cares what these people spend their money on. It's not my money. I'd hunt the island if I had the opportunity. The thrill of the chase may not be the same, but the trophy would be nice. I think people need to look at the definition of the word hunter. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary, a hunter is:
"a person who hunts wild animals"
That's it. Doesn't say anything about without a guide, by them selves, on public or private lands. No it is simply a person who hunts wild animals."
While every one may have their own definition of the word, all I think that matters is that the animal is pursued fairly, and the rules are followed. It's up to the individual to decide if they want to spend money on a tag, hire a guide, or whatever the F they decide to do, as long as they do it legally.
 
Attempting to guess or identify why or how someone does what he does is pure and simple, shooting in the dark.

Why did he buy the AZ or the AI tag?

We don't know and frankly it's no ones business, any more than it's his business to know what I spent my money on at the Expo, or what you did or didn't spend yours on.

It's no ones business who goes guided, DYI, solo or with fifty aunts and uncles, sons and daughters. Nor is one guys reason or hunting method better than another, for which ever way he hunts, so long as it's legal. If a sportsman wants one way, more power to him, if another want's it another, same power to him. If one way makes you feel good about yourself, enjoy. What business is it of mine or yours?

I prefer hunting with family or good friends, unguided, but I've been forced to hire an outfitter/guide, by law, in some places, for some species. Did I like it, no, but I was required to, if I want to hunt that animal, and I wanted to hunt that animal. Some guides aren't good hunters, they just fill a government imposed requirement. I've hunted with guides who couldn't see an animal if was riding on the horse in front of them. I don't think you can assume anything about anyone's ability as a hunter, simply because he hires a guide or goes it alone. Have you ever met a hunter that goes DYI and year after year comes home without killing the animal he spent his time hunting? Is this DYI hunter a poor hunter, a highly selective hunter, a poor hunter, a rich hunter, out of condition hunter, a lazy hunter, a phony hunter, which? You don't know, and it's none of your business.

Speculate and denigrate to your hearts content, it isn't going to change a thing.

Here's a wild ass guess, this guy and 90% of the guys that buythese tags could hunt any where, without or without the best outfitter or guide in the world, any time, any where they want. What if they just want to donate a bunch of their money to improve hunting for everybody, including themselves and their children? Wouldn't that be a pisser, imagine, donating money to improve hunting, ridiculous!

Cause you flat out know he's doing it for some sinister, greedy, filthy reason, just to keep you from hunting, ya right. That would be it, $710,000 pissed away, just to make sure you take it in the shorts. Give me a fricking break!
 
Okay?




It was a tongue in cheek post, hence the "haha" at the end.

Please, please, please oh please don't quit hunting after the 370 bull cavemn!

Again, just a tongue in cheek comment.

Bill

People who work for a living are quickly being
overwhelmed by people who vote for a living.
 
I love the part in the newspaper that the majority of the money go to projects.
Now if they would only show it on paper where they actual spend that money.
Still it a great deal that someone is willing to give that kind of money to a cause, Because to most of us that type of money would be life-changing.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
>[Font][Font color = "green"]Life member of
>the MM green signature club.[font/]
 
Being from Canada, I hope he figured in the non-resident alien license fees, if applicable? :D

Eel

It's written in the good Book that we'll never be asked to take more than we can. Sounds like a good plan, so bring it on!
 
Last Saturday the Canadian dollar was only worth about 76 cents against the American dollars, so it actually cost the young man around $930,000 of his Canadian dollars.

DC
 
>Its interesting that when somebody posts
>up a story or pic
>about a hunt that they
>spent countless hrs studying draw
>odds. Hours spent contacting biologists
>and previous hunters. Nights spent
>studying maps. Summer burning gallons
>of gas and time on
>multiple scouting trips and then
>shoots big buck or bull.
> Its all positive.
>Which is great, its how
>I honestly hunt 90% of
>the time.
>The difference is I never see
>a Doctor or Lawyer or
>successful businessman get on here
>and hammer that hunter for
>how they did their hunt.
> I never see anyone
>jump on and say, wow
>you sure wasted a lot
>of time you could have
>spent with your family, or
>man you could have been
>working on an important social
>issue in the court system
>of studying a cure for
>cancer. Yet the DIY
>hunters are always willing to
>jump on and hammer the
>guy that has money and
>passion to hunt but maybe
>lacks the time to hunt
>the they way the DIY
>guy does. I for
>one am thankful to see
>successful people have a passion
>for hunting. They have
>the money and connections to
>fight battles that I do
>not have. Think about
>the dollars generated at the
>Expo auctions in just two
>days for honestly a handful
>of tags in big picture.
> Millions!!! Literally millions that
>will go directly back to
>the Wildlife agencies that help
>allow the common guy DIY
>hunters to continue to do
>what they love to do.
>These types of passionate generous
>hunters are a huge key
>to the future of the
>common mans hunting heritage to
>say differently is nothing more
>than being either bullheaded or
>naive.

You had me until the "help allow the common guy DIY hunters to continue to do what they love to do" remark. All the while the 90% is rightfully being used to build the herds and the hunting heritage, the 10% is being used in attempts to reduce the common man's opportunities to hunt those herds and to cut off that heritage, via lose of statewide archery, increased population objectives, increased buck to doe ratios, more limited entry units, shorter seasons, antler point, restrictions, "overcrowding" issues, more red tape, higher prices, smaller units and fewer permits.

We were told over and over and over how great it will be for EVERYONE when the herds are back up to 400,000 statewide, but as it gets closer, the common man has learned he has to fight to continue to do what he loves to do and to insure HIS hunting heritage because what he loves to do (hunt deer on a regular basis) doesn't fit the vision of those with money and leverage who have decided otherwise. We hear one thing, but see another.

I certainly do agree with you that those hunters are a huge key to the future of the common man's hunting heritage, but we differ drastically on what that future should be.
 
Lee,
There you go again saying higher population objectives are a bad thing. Seriously lets grow more deer and focus on that first and foremost. Tell me were there more general season deer tags in 2014 than there were in 2013? Will we see an increase in 2015? You say when we got to 400,000 we would see changes? Well if we are giving more tags are we seeing a change?

Now lets talk loss of statewide archery. You want to always blame SFW for this. Again let me advise you to read the entire book. SFW did not push for the end of statewide archery. That decision was made by the WB at the meeting. I watched it happen and I knew it was coming. Why? Because I have attended napkin meetings? Nope because I had seen the build up to that point. If you had attended RAC meetings before Opt 2 was rolled out you would know the back history. I was ok with it because I wanted to see total control over each unit, why try and micro manage each unit and then throw it all out the window for the archery season. Makes no logical sense. We could argue for days on your Johnny come lately opinions but that's all I got time for now.
 
So...if Doyle and the Canuck did the group hug thing, where was Denny and was he even bidding?
 
Doyle was sitting between them. Who do you think pushed it to 380K??? LOL

Hoss and shotgun, I'm sorry I was enjoying my dinner and watching the auction. I can't always glare at my computer screen and pound out angry posts!
 
So Doyle was GUARANTEED a Hug!

He just didn't know if it was gonna be a Lefty or a Righty?








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Good for the guy who has been successful enough in life to spend that money on a tag. The guys bitching are just jealous sour grapes.
 
ok, the gigs up. I cant take it anymore. You guys are right I had him buy the tag for me. Hey anyone want to buy a 1987 landcruiser for $390.000. I promise the money will go to a good cause.
 
Muley_73, could you please tell us more about how auction tags purchased by wealthy hunters will ensure the future of wildlife and the common man hunter? Thanks, mtmuley
 
mt,
Just one example would be tag costs. Without these dollars the price of tags for the rest of us would have to be increased to bring in the same dollars to fund the DWR. Habitat increase of habitat in the state of Utah can be linked directly to the dollars from these tags. Creating a strong organization that fights for hunters rights. Before SFW there was a strong push by anti hunting groups in Utah. If you attended meetings 20+ years ago you'd remember a gal I believe her name was Jodie? She was very pro shutting down bear hunting in Utah. Just one of the early examples of SFW creating a strong enough presence that her crusade that was gaining momentum just faded and went away, while in other states like Cali at the same time hunters lost their cougar hunts. Many of you solely base your opinions on the recent internet stuff. If you completely educated yourself of the history and the actual reality of the situation you might see things differently? At least that is my opinion so that is what I support. That opinion is based on over 30 years of attending wildlife meetings in Utah and watching diffent organizations come and go. Mt how long have you watched and followed Utahs wildlife situation? Can you tell me how Utah's Division of Wildlife Resources is funded?
 
I'm not from Utah. Explain how auction tags are a benefit to states and hunters as a whole. Unless you just meant the benefits to hunters and wildlife would be felt only in Utah. mtmuley
 
Muley, Can you tell me what Doyals favorite movie is?

Also, Can you tell us how much of that $390K for the AI tag is going towards helping wildlife in Utah?

Thanks in advance.
 
Mt,
The Interweb is for banter, fun and games. If you really want to know then educate yourself on the full story. I'm not an educator just a interweb poster with differnent views than some on here. I posted an answer in my previous post reread it and tell me if those answers only benefited Utah hunters or hunters as a whole?
 
I know some of these organizations do good work but I have a question. In 2003 I drew a LE elk tag as a NR. That tag cost me around $490.00. That same tag is $1500.00 today. In 2003 if Im reading it right all auction tags combined raised 1.3 million dollars. In 2014 all auction tags combined raised 32.8 million dollars. First- I dont see these auction tags keeping the price of tags down. Second- has the cost of doing business gone up that much ?
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-15 AT 09:58AM (MST)[p]In 2003 was it a premium tag( one you could hunt all 4 hunts) or just a single season tag? A non res limited entry elk is 800.00 now ,1505.00 if you draw the multi season tag. I'm not sure they even offered a non res multi season tag in 2003? As far as resident the cost of tags is pretty much exactly the same.
 
I could pay $10 and hunt the archery season which I did.Then if I didn't connect with my rifle tag I could pay another $10 and use a muzzleloader.
 
Really?? Are you sure? I know early on you could pay extra and hunt the archery on some units if they didn't offer a separate archery hunt for that unit. But I don't ever remember anything on paying $10 for a later muzzy hunt?? What unit was this on?
 
Muley,

I am married to an accountant. Not once, not ever, do accountants use words like "most", "some", "alot". She works for a fortune 500 company and at any point in any given day she can tell you the ammount of cash on hand, payables and receivables. $fw can do the same, yet they never, EVER do. So the question was asked of you how does this expo help the average hunter, you responded with the same BS generalities that $fw has spewed for 2 decades. $fw knows to the penny what there expenses are, what there intake was, and how much "goes to wildlife". WHAT IS THAT NUMBER?? Not "alot", not "most", not
"some", there is a HARD NUMBER, what is it? If you don't actually know, that is fine, but then YOU DON'T KNOW, and your "educating us" is simply internet banter.
$fw came about in the early 90's as a "voice for the average Utah sportsman". Their number one concern was the mule deer. They did do good work in helping defeat prop 5, but that was where it ended. There are less deer now than then, and NOT ONE tag auctioned was for the average utah sportsman, and proof of that IS that AI went to a CANDADIAN. I know you drink the coolaid, and I am sure you participate in projects that do good, BUT that is PR, the heart and soul of the modern $fw is 100% about increasing their political power, then using it to benefit the connected and few(notice I didn't say rich). The AI tag WAS NOT biologically necessary, IS NOT saving the island, and NEVER WAS about getting a tag for average Joe Utah. IT CAME BECAUSE Karl Malone put out his feelers, and THE DON guaranteed 6 figures for it. The draw tag was simply to try to shut up the opposition.
Lastly why do we need to let $fw skim their cut of the auction tags? Why can't the UDWR conduct its own online auction and keep 100% of the money to help us average joes? How is it good for San Juan county, or Juab, or Sanpete that SL county benefits from a party in which tags in there county are auctioned of?


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
hoss,
I'm glad we are drawing money from as far as Canada. Maybe that's just because I'm CANADIAN. Lol!!! I've not always been a SFW fan but as I've said over and over, Show me another group doing more and I'll support that group. I've also said I'm nothing more than a talking head on the interweb so no I've never even pretended to have all the answers. I give my opinion of the knowledge I've gained. That knowledge is not all based off of Interweb banter it's based off of understanding the entire picture and learning along the way over 30+ years. There are simply some things many that have not lived it will never understand and that includes some in current SFW leadership. I'll fight the battles I beleive in and my loyalties will lie with those that give me the best chance on winning those battles. I'm ok to be judged on that and it is why I'm so vocal. So hoss, continue to complain and demonize the SFW or any other group you dislike. For me I'll stick to the agendas I support and support the groups I think will help make an actual difference. Even if I don't always agree with 100% of what they do our how they run their organization. I've said before and I'll say it again, I'm not much of a dancer but I'd sip whiskey and negotiate my soul with the devil himself to bring back mule deer and insure a hunting future for my kids.
 
According to the Division of Wildlife there are more deer today than 20 -25 years ago. Something must be working.

Obviously you have a vendetta and deep hatred towards SFW. What happened?
 
I don't see is why it is so hard for the money people to see why the average Joe isn't just ecstatic about the tag auctions. The animals are a public resource- just like any other public resource, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why some people are offended when cash can get you bumped to the head of the line while everyone else is told to stand in line and be good little boys and girls.

It's no different than if the U.S. auctioned off an American Citizenship to the highest bidder (who knows, maybe they do), but anybody in their right mind has got to expect that they are going to piss off all the people who have been waiting in line for years if they let someone jump to the front of the line for some cash.

And the draw tag doesn't help. It would only help if the money guys had to go that route too, so you didn't have an elite few hunting coveted tags year in and year out while others wait a life time.

Of course, it's all the fault of our founding fathers because they instilled in us the radical concept all men being equal under the law.
 
Wild man,

The founding fathers had no expectation of you spending a lifetime sitting in line like good little boys and girls. The founding fathers didn't define "equal" by men's pocket books or how they spent money. I believe you were denied some important lessons in your life. One being at some point you are supposed to quit dreaming of being at the front of a line getting a handout and instead MAKE YOUR OWN LINE.
 
>According to the Division of Wildlife
>there are more deer today
>than 20 -25 years ago.
>Something must be working.
>
>Obviously you have a vendetta and
>deep hatred towards SFW. What
>happened?

Dont know about you, but I was hunting in the early 90's. There was a string of extremely heavy winters that devistated the herds. If you use the worst year as your baseline your bound to improve. How do the numbers compare to the 60's, 70's, or 80's? Go for a drive, you have to be blind or stupid to not notice that there aren't near the deer in the fields as there were even 10 years ago. And thats after a string of extremely mild winters.



"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
So just walk on out on the island and shoot one is what you are advocating...I mean just make my own line and do it?
 
Legally Marburg. Stay Legal.


Put together a movement that offers the hunting and conservation the way you want it.

Five years ago there wasn't an AI tag. Now there is. SOMEBODY PUT TOGETHER A MOVEMENT AND MADE THEIR OWN PATH.
 
Tri,

I'm glad you are so gifted as to be able to judge my personal character by a few posts on a website, but as far as equal goes there is a distinct difference between those who believe in equal justice under the law and those who believe in redistribution of wealth.
 
Tri,

You never did answer my question about whether citizenship (a public resource) should be auctioned off to the highest bidder.
 
>Tri,
>
>You never did answer my question
>about whether citizenship (a public
>resource) should be auctioned off
>to the highest bidder.

Tri,

Apparently you believe in the 5th Amendment. Glad we can agree on something.
 

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