Black Powder bullets

[Crusher23]

Looking for anyone that has used Federal Premium? Trophy Copper Muzzleloader Bullets with the B.O.R. Lock MZ System.

Looking to draw a hard to get tag and don't want problems with ammo. I recently switched from my old 54 caliber side ignition to an inline 50 caliber and need to retool a bit.


Thanks

Steve

 

[mevertsen]

There is no problem with most bullets for deer in a .50. The problem is usually with the shooter, powder, primers and equipment. You will have to test out several and see which works best. I would not go shoot 3 the week before season starts and expect it to work fine the day of the hunt.

I use a .451 250 grain Hornady XTP which worked quite well on my deer last year. There should be no problem with the Federal bullet, however I would check the minimum expansion velocity, and match that to the powder you plan to use. You will also have to chrono your loads if you expect to be shooting at longer than normal muzzle loader ranges. I imagine, even with the new powders, beyond 200 yards the velocities will start to drop off too much and you won't be able to get good expansion, which may or may not pose a problem.

I had problems for several years, and it was the sights. I could not get anything to work right, and trying to find a good set of sights was a pain. I not have a Williams peep on my inline and have had no issues since then.

 

[Crusher23]

Thanks for the reply. I have been shooting black powder for 20+ years so I am pretty familiar with what needs done. I just recently retired my old .54 hawken and bought a TC inline in .50 (which is about the biggest standard production caliber anymore) I used the TC maxi-hunter for many years and then switched to a different manufacturer that had extremely poor performance during a hunt. I won't name any names on a public forum because I have no desire to start a fight. I'm in Colorado so getting to 200 yards with open sites is (for me anyway) to far to shoot. I limit myself to 100 to maybe 120 yards with a perfect rest. I'll get a box of the Federal Premiums and see how they shoot.

If anyone has information on how these performed on deer or elk I'd like to hear it.

Have a good one!

The Crusher

 

[txhunter58]

I would use BH 209 powder in your new gun. I can shoot my Omega about 30 times without swabbing once with this powder.

The new Federal is still unproven, although it sounds pretty good on the surface. Availability is another issue as they were not available for last year Colorado muzzy season and I see where Midway is already sold out for the year.

I have killed 4 elk with the 350 gr Hornady FPB. They are a lead alloy so tougher than pure lead.

Thors are another tough and pure copper bullet. Made by barnes. Have to order sizing pack to see what size your gun needs

Good luck finding a conical bullet that shoots well in the T/C. In mine, only bullets with a rear bell that will expand in the QLA will shoot decent. The FPB and the Thors do OK

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

 

[grosventrehunter]

Txhunter,has always given good advice when it comes to muzzle loading. He is the reason I now shoot Thor bullets in my CVA. They are great bullets and work well being pushed by 90 grains of bh 209.

 

[LIK2HNT]

Have no experience with the TC rifles, but I have great results on deer with my White, Remingtons, and Hawkens rifles with LR green Mtn barrels using No-Excuse or Barnes All copper. These are a combination of .45 and .50 muzzys. All were pass through double lung shots with good exit holes even out to 200 yards. Never have been able to recover a bullet. This year will be my first year hunting elk with a muzzy, so I am leaning toward my .45 Remington with a 495 gr. No-Excuse.

Bill

 

[BLooDTRaCKeR]

The old round ball has never failed me. Proper distance and shot placement will bring any critter down.

 

[txhunter58]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-15 AT 07:29PM (MST)[p]>Have no experience with the TC
>rifles, but I have great
>results on deer with my
>White, Remingtons, and Hawkens rifles
>with LR green Mtn barrels
>using No-Excuse or Barnes All
>copper. These are a combination
>of .45 and .50 muzzys.
> All were pass through
>double lung shots with good
>exit holes even out to
>200 yards. Never have been
>able to recover a bullet.
>This year will be my
>first year hunting elk with
>a muzzy, so I am
>leaning toward my .45 Remington
>with a 495 gr. No-Excuse.
>
>
>Bill

No question the No excuse bullet is a great one. However, they generally don't shoot well out of a T/C inline (although they shoot well in my T/C renegade). What state will you be hunting?


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

 

[txhunter58]

>The old round ball has never
>failed me. Proper distance and
>shot placement will bring any
>critter down.

True, but not shot out of a T/C inline


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

 

[LIK2HNT]

AZ 6A in November

Bill