New Pope & Young largest velvet non-typical buck

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Here is the buck I had the good fortune of taking this past archery season here in Utah. The buck was taken on the Henry Mountains on September 1st. After the 60 day drying period the buck has been officially scored and entered into the record books with a gross score of 282 1/8 and a net score of 272 6/8. That puts the buck as the new number one velvet non-typical of all time. I know some earlier reports had this buck grossing over 300 inches and possibly being the new world record for Pope & Young. If I decide to strip the velvet and have the buck re-measured there is a chance it could surpass the current world record buck that scores 274 5/8. Pope & Young only recognizes a world record if the horns are stripped of their velvet. That measurement would take place at the next convention held in St. Louis in April of 2017. Look for the entire story of my hunt in the near future and stop in this coming February at the Antler Kingz booth at the 2016 Sportsman?s Expo and see this unique mule deer. Thanks Jeff Cisneros.

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You could gain a few inches easy. I had a big four point measured in velvet and then striped. I lost a few eights on all the circumference measurements but gained on most of the point lengths due to a bit lower base line. My buck scored about 1 1/2 inches lower striped. Yours is likely to be higher with all those points and new base lines.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-15 AT 12:58PM (MST)[p]I would strip it... But I prefer hard-horned over velvet... And you have a chance at a World Record...

Pretty easy decision for me.

Congrats on a gigantic deer..!!

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Wasn't this the same buck that was posted a couple weeks ago? The common thought then was that this was a stag or cactus buck and if determined that it actually was, that it then would not be allowed to be accepted as a potential new record by some records organizations.

I can't see a good reason why stags can't be included but that's what was said then.

Monster Buck! Congrats!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
JUDAS!!!

That does it!

I'm getting myself a FLATTY!

Nice Job!

Can You share on what other Types of Bucks you seen on the Henries?




Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

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Two thoughts-

1- Only you can decide if your name in a book is worth it. I think I'd keep the velvet. You killed him in the velvet. I would want to preserve him to as close as he was when I killed him. But that is just me.

2- How does this buck only lose 10 inches on deductions? Don't get me wrong, I think net scoring is stupid, nay, REALLY stupid. But just seemed low for deductions.

I'd keep the velvet and call him 282 inches.
 
So it seems nobody wants to answer my questions that came up earlier about this buck. Here's that thread and there are at least a couple official measurers included, giving their thoughts on this deer.

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/25943.html#.VkfSbb-2274

Not to take anything away from this hunter or more importantly, this buck, but i am always curious how circumstances effect the rules in scoring big bucks.


Joey




"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>Two thoughts-
>
>1- Only you can decide if
>your name in a book
>is worth it. I think
>I'd keep the velvet. You
>killed him in the velvet.
>I would want to preserve
>him to as close as
>he was when I killed
>him. But that is just
>me.
>
>2- How does this buck only
>lose 10 inches on deductions?
>Don't get me wrong, I
>think net scoring is stupid,
>nay, REALLY stupid. But just
>seemed low for deductions.
>
>I'd keep the velvet and call
>him 282 inches.

In response to #2......somewhere in that maze of points, the om determined what the main frame was....and for a nontypical the only deductions are the difference between mb, g1, g2, g3, g4, h1, h2, h3, and h4 left and right.....10" of deductions is not a small amount for a typical main frame.

In the earlier post I thought it would be determined to be an unacceptable "cactus" buck. Obviously P&Y didn't see it that way.
 
I will tell you what Pope & Young officials and the 3 official scorers who scored this buck told me. As long as the buck has a scorable mainframe there is no reason the buck should not be allowed in the books. It's really easy to see the 4 point mainframe on this buck and it was excepted in the books. I hope that helps a bit. I think once you see it in person you will see this is not a "catus buck", but rather a buck with just allot of unique points. Also to answer a earlier post; I seen allot of very good bucks on the Henries during my hunt. I was also after at least 4 bucks that all scored in the 215-230 range. 3 of bucks were harvested on the rifle hunt. It was an amazing year for horn growth this year and I want to congratulate everyone who harvested their trophy this year. I know there are always allot of questions on a buck of this size and I hope this helps answers at least one. Thanks Jeff.
 
cisco,thanks for coming back to help with the thoughts i been having with your monster buck! Yes, it seems only right for any buck that has the confirmation within it's rack, to be scored, accepted, and placed according to it ranking.

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
>I will tell you what Pope
>& Young officials and the
> 3 official scorers who
>scored this buck told me.
> As long as the
>buck has a scorable mainframe
>there is no reason the
>buck should not be allowed
>in the books. It's
>really easy to see the
>4 point mainframe on this
>buck and it was excepted
>in the books. I
>hope that helps a bit.
>I think once you see
>it in person you will
>see this is not a
>"catus buck", but rather a
>buck with just allot of
>unique points. Also to answer
>a earlier post; I seen
>allot of very good bucks
>on the Henries during my
>hunt. I was also
>after at least 4 bucks
>that all scored in the
>215-230 range. 3 of
>bucks were harvested on the
>rifle hunt. It was
>an amazing year for horn
>growth this year and I
>want to congratulate everyone who
>harvested their trophy this year.
>I know there are always
>allot of questions on a
>buck of this size and
>I hope this helps answers
>at least one. Thanks Jeff.
>

Thanks for the Reply cisco!

(((Gotta RAZZ You on the FLATTY!:D:D:D)))




Go Ahead!

Make Me take it down!

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It's an awesome looking buck, big time congratulations to you cisco! True buck of a lifetime right there.

For others, velvet entries are accepted by P&Y for ALL species of antlered animals......including cactus bucks (now). B&C does not accept either (velvet or cactus bucks stripped). Velvet entries will appear in one published record book (next edition) only and are not ranked. Additionally, they are NOT eligible for world record status. To be eligible for WR status, the antlers must be stripped and sent to panel for confirmation. This buck is close and may gain inches with the velvet removed to better establish true baselines.......if stripped it will be invited to panel.......I would love to measure it at the next panel.

This last convention (Phoenix), the Club unveiled the very first "velvet only" record book for ALL antlered species. It lists any/all velvet entries ever accepted by the Club. I believe this was a hit with many western bowhunters and may continue expanding for the next convention. However, none of them are ranked by size (recording period only).

Again, awesome buck, cisco. It's totally your personal decision if you decide to strip the velvet not and send it to panel for final measurement. Either way, you've already been blessed with an exceptional mule deer. Thanks for sharing.



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I was also
>after at least 4 bucks
>that all scored in the
>215-230 range. 3 of
>bucks were harvested on the
>rifle hunt. It was
>an amazing year for horn
>growth this year and I
>want to congratulate everyone who
>harvested their trophy this year.
>I know there are always
>allot of questions on a
>buck of this size and
>I hope this helps answers
>at least one. Thanks Jeff.
>

I'm sure my friend missed the 4th buck your talking about!
 
Congrats Jeff, what an awesome buck!! Either way it will be pretty sweet to kick back and look at that thing on the wall.
 
Cisco, Awesome Buck, I hope that you get the record with him.

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Nice to see a giant DIY. Great work Jeff. I'm new to the forum. It is a long shot but I think I have a set of shed antlers that came from your buck. I guess that would mean you shot my buck. :'( If it is him he grew a lot. Let me know if you are interested in looking them over.
 
I want to thank everyone for their comments regarding my buck. I have seen and read about Cody Robbins massive 2011 buck. I agree that his buck is probably the largest non-typical buck ever taken with the bow. My comment about my buck being Pope & Young?s largest velvet non-typical comes from the recently published 2015 Pope & Young all time velvet trophies book. The Robbins buck is not listed but another buck from Saskatchewan that scored 267 is, and it is the largest listed. Again, I'm not sure why Cody?s buck is not listed and that is where my comment comes from. I'm not sure if and when Pope & Young will list another book of record velvet trophies, as they do not recognize velvet covered animals in their record books at this time. I surely don't want to take anything away from Cody?s once in a lifetime buck; I'm just going by what is listed with Pope & Young. Again thanks to all and good luck to everyone next season. Let's hope for another great water year and even bigger bucks hitting the ground.
 
What an amazing buck Jeff.
He is exceptional in every way, regardless of what any record book or scoring system reports.
A few years ago I killed a big velvet covered Mountain Caribou. A neighbor, who is a B&C scorer, measured him for me with velvet still on. His numbers said he would go in the top 15 in the world if I stripped the velvet. It was not a hard decision for me to leave the velvet on and preserve him the way he was when I took him. To me he just looks more impressive and that is what matters most to me.
Anyone who sees your buck will know he is a monster, regardless of whether he is stripped or not. My hat is off to you, not only for your success, but for the classy way you have responded to questions and comments.
Kudos to you.
 
>I want to thank everyone for
>their comments regarding my buck.
> I have seen and
>read about Cody Robbins massive
>2011 buck. I agree
>that his buck is probably
>the largest non-typical buck ever
>taken with the bow.
>My comment about my buck
>being Pope & Young?s largest
>velvet non-typical comes from the
>recently published 2015 Pope &
>Young all time velvet trophies
>book. The Robbins
>buck is not listed but
>another buck from Saskatchewan that
>scored 267 is, and it
>is the largest listed.
>Again, I'm not sure why
>Cody?s buck is not listed
>and that is where my
>comment comes from.
>I'm not sure if and
>when Pope & Young will
>list another book of record
>velvet trophies, as they do
>not recognize velvet covered animals
>in their record books at
>this time. I surely
>don't want to take anything
>away from Cody?s once in
>a lifetime buck; I'm just
>going by what is listed
>with Pope & Young.
> Again thanks to all
>and good luck to everyone
>next season. Let's
>hope for another great water
>year and even bigger bucks
>hitting the ground.

Classy Cisco, kudos to you. It's a phenomenal buck, especially with archery gear. Congrats!
 
Yes, very classy indeed!

Bump for big bucks!

Joey


"It's all about knowing what your firearms practical limitations are and combining that with your own personal limitations!"
 
Congrats on a great buck! I was thinking it looked stag/cactus to. Which to me doesn't matter I'm gross score guy symmetry doesn't matter
To me a buck grows that many inches it deserves to be in the books.
I hate that they won't allow velvet entries

That being said keep the velvet I love velvet bucks. Although it would be neat to see all the knobs and points without velvet!
 
I hope you all got a chance to stop by and see my buck at the Expo a few weeks ago. My taxidermist Don Logston did an amazing job and is pictured with me in one of the photos at the Expo. Here are a few more pics of the finished product, I hope you enjoy. Good luck to everyone on this years draw, I can't wait to see what monsters hit the dirt this year.









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Your name at the top of the record book would be cool, but I hope you keep the velvet on. What an amazing trophy! Congrats either way
 
Just one bad $$$ deer. A very different buck which makes it better. Congrsts on the beast.

You should of passed on the buck and give him a chance to breed.
Just kidding. One hell of a archery kill. Who needs a 1300 yard gun
 

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