elkassassin
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Got this sent to me!
Anybody know the Scoop?
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
Anybody know the Scoop?
Go Ahead!
Make Me take it down!
ALCATRAZ PUBLIC BUCK???
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Tristate
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I heard he is the greatest person in the world because he has never ever spent a single penny to hunt a deer.
I heard he also had to hunt much harder than the paid tag holder and that he refused help from anyone whatsoever. The lady in the picture is just a wayward hiker he saved while hunting that morning and the picture was taken with a selfie stick. He flew the buck of the mountain with his angel wings he drew from the state last year.
I heard he also had to hunt much harder than the paid tag holder and that he refused help from anyone whatsoever. The lady in the picture is just a wayward hiker he saved while hunting that morning and the picture was taken with a selfie stick. He flew the buck of the mountain with his angel wings he drew from the state last year.
Tristate
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I almost forgot. He bludgeons poachers and burns their houses down on the weekends for humor. He also owns a long range hunting system that he can shoot 2000 meters with but he snuck up and clubbed this deer with the rifle to show everyone that he could. THIS IS THE MOST POLITICALLY CORRECT MULE DEER KILL IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET!
I know someone will hate him for the flatbrimmed hat though
I know someone will hate him for the flatbrimmed hat though
elkfromabove
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>I heard he is the greatest
>person in the world because
>he has never ever spent
>a single penny to hunt
>a deer.
>
>I heard he also had to
>hunt much harder than the
>paid tag holder and that
>he refused help from anyone
>whatsoever. The lady in
>the picture is just a
>wayward hiker he saved while
>hunting that morning and the
>picture was taken with a
>selfie stick. He flew
>the buck of the mountain
>with his angel wings he
>drew from the state last
>year.
How could he be the greatest person in the world when we all know that YOU are?
>person in the world because
>he has never ever spent
>a single penny to hunt
>a deer.
>
>I heard he also had to
>hunt much harder than the
>paid tag holder and that
>he refused help from anyone
>whatsoever. The lady in
>the picture is just a
>wayward hiker he saved while
>hunting that morning and the
>picture was taken with a
>selfie stick. He flew
>the buck of the mountain
>with his angel wings he
>drew from the state last
>year.
How could he be the greatest person in the world when we all know that YOU are?
BrowningRage
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It's an awesome deer for sure, but I've filmed two bucks in the past month out there that I think I'd rather have... But I think when you look over so many awesome bucks, it simply becomes a preference. He obviously fell in love with this one.
And its a stud.
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
And its a stud.
"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
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elkholla
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I'm not sure why everybody gets so worked up about these folks like Denny Auste(?) who purchases these tags for AI. That money gets distributed (even if it's a portion) back into Mule Deer management for the betterment of the herd population. Why do we care what/how they spend that $300K? I personally could care less, and enjoy seeing the pictures of these giants come off the island.
Would I personally ever spend that much money on a deer+guide combo? Honestly, I don't know! In my current financial situation, the answer would immediately be NO! But, if I was worth a couple million, $300K dollars is peanuts and I might!
I guess we're all entitled to our opinions, and that's what makes 'Merica great, but I see nothing wrong with these guys wanting to spend big dollars if they have it. It benefits me ultimately in the long run.
Awesome buck! I have many pictures of that deer, and several others from years past that these tag holder have smacked. I love seeing these big boys hit the dirt!
"Luck is often nothing more than
preparation running into opportunity.?
-Some Smart Guy
Would I personally ever spend that much money on a deer+guide combo? Honestly, I don't know! In my current financial situation, the answer would immediately be NO! But, if I was worth a couple million, $300K dollars is peanuts and I might!
I guess we're all entitled to our opinions, and that's what makes 'Merica great, but I see nothing wrong with these guys wanting to spend big dollars if they have it. It benefits me ultimately in the long run.
Awesome buck! I have many pictures of that deer, and several others from years past that these tag holder have smacked. I love seeing these big boys hit the dirt!
"Luck is often nothing more than
preparation running into opportunity.?
-Some Smart Guy
>I'm not sure why everybody gets
>so worked up about these
>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>purchases these tags for AI.
>That money gets distributed (even
>if it's a portion) back
>into Mule Deer management for
>the betterment of the herd
>population. Why do we care
>what/how they spend that $300K?
>I personally could care less,
>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>of these giants come off
>the island.
>
>Would I personally ever spend that
>much money on a deer+guide
>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>In my current financial situation,
>the answer would immediately be
>NO! But, if I was
>worth a couple million, $300K
>dollars is peanuts and I
>might!
>
>I guess we're all entitled to
>our opinions, and that's what
>makes 'Merica great, but I
>see nothing wrong with these
>guys wanting to spend big
>dollars if they have it.
>It benefits me ultimately in
>the long run.
>
>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>of that deer, and several
>others from years past that
>these tag holder have smacked.
>I love seeing these big
>boys hit the dirt!
>
>"Luck is often nothing more than
>
>preparation running into opportunity.?
>-Some Smart Guy
Wrong. The money for the AI tags goes to AI State Park. You know, for toilet paper, road repairs, employee wages, trash collection, important stuff like that. Oh, except the dirt bags at SFW get their 10%.
>so worked up about these
>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>purchases these tags for AI.
>That money gets distributed (even
>if it's a portion) back
>into Mule Deer management for
>the betterment of the herd
>population. Why do we care
>what/how they spend that $300K?
>I personally could care less,
>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>of these giants come off
>the island.
>
>Would I personally ever spend that
>much money on a deer+guide
>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>In my current financial situation,
>the answer would immediately be
>NO! But, if I was
>worth a couple million, $300K
>dollars is peanuts and I
>might!
>
>I guess we're all entitled to
>our opinions, and that's what
>makes 'Merica great, but I
>see nothing wrong with these
>guys wanting to spend big
>dollars if they have it.
>It benefits me ultimately in
>the long run.
>
>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>of that deer, and several
>others from years past that
>these tag holder have smacked.
>I love seeing these big
>boys hit the dirt!
>
>"Luck is often nothing more than
>
>preparation running into opportunity.?
>-Some Smart Guy
Wrong. The money for the AI tags goes to AI State Park. You know, for toilet paper, road repairs, employee wages, trash collection, important stuff like that. Oh, except the dirt bags at SFW get their 10%.
elkfromabove
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>I'm not sure why everybody gets
>so worked up about these
>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>purchases these tags for AI.
>That money gets distributed (even
>if it's a portion) back
>into Mule Deer management for
>the betterment of the herd
>population. Why do we care
>what/how they spend that $300K?
>I personally could care less,
>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>of these giants come off
>the island.
>
>Would I personally ever spend that
>much money on a deer+guide
>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>In my current financial situation,
>the answer would immediately be
>NO! But, if I was
>worth a couple million, $300K
>dollars is peanuts and I
>might!
>
>I guess we're all entitled to
>our opinions, and that's what
>makes 'Merica great, but I
>see nothing wrong with these
>guys wanting to spend big
>dollars if they have it.
>It benefits me ultimately in
>the long run.
>
>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>of that deer, and several
>others from years past that
>these tag holder have smacked.
>I love seeing these big
>boys hit the dirt!
>
>"Luck is often nothing more than
>
>preparation running into opportunity.?
>-Some Smart Guy
I suspect the reason you're not sure why many of us get so worked up about these hunts is because you and some others don't look far enough past the money, antlers and improved habitat! Whether or not this ultimately benefits you depends on whether you are willing to wait 10 to 15 years to draw a tag in order to hunt one of those big boys somewhere in Utah or whether you would prefer to hunt every year or two and are amenable to taking a smaller one. It isn't the $300,000 nor the 200+ inch antlers nor even the use of the money to improve habitat that's the concern. It's the ongoing influence and leverage these hunts and those who promote and market them use to drive the social/hunter management of wildlife via the DWR, RAC and Wildlife Board system. When you manage wildlife for trophy hunting, it's nearly always at the expense of opportunity!
In the past, that leverage and influence was more subdued and not so noticeable nor divisive, but in the last few years it's grown way out of proportion and has pushed many of us beyond our level of tolerance. It's time to reign it in. Enough already!
Fortunately, I think we've seen some attitudes change a bit and some lights go on. Let's hope that continues and the 79% of hunters (at least deer hunters) who don't belong to ANY conservation organization are being considered.
>so worked up about these
>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>purchases these tags for AI.
>That money gets distributed (even
>if it's a portion) back
>into Mule Deer management for
>the betterment of the herd
>population. Why do we care
>what/how they spend that $300K?
>I personally could care less,
>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>of these giants come off
>the island.
>
>Would I personally ever spend that
>much money on a deer+guide
>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>In my current financial situation,
>the answer would immediately be
>NO! But, if I was
>worth a couple million, $300K
>dollars is peanuts and I
>might!
>
>I guess we're all entitled to
>our opinions, and that's what
>makes 'Merica great, but I
>see nothing wrong with these
>guys wanting to spend big
>dollars if they have it.
>It benefits me ultimately in
>the long run.
>
>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>of that deer, and several
>others from years past that
>these tag holder have smacked.
>I love seeing these big
>boys hit the dirt!
>
>"Luck is often nothing more than
>
>preparation running into opportunity.?
>-Some Smart Guy
I suspect the reason you're not sure why many of us get so worked up about these hunts is because you and some others don't look far enough past the money, antlers and improved habitat! Whether or not this ultimately benefits you depends on whether you are willing to wait 10 to 15 years to draw a tag in order to hunt one of those big boys somewhere in Utah or whether you would prefer to hunt every year or two and are amenable to taking a smaller one. It isn't the $300,000 nor the 200+ inch antlers nor even the use of the money to improve habitat that's the concern. It's the ongoing influence and leverage these hunts and those who promote and market them use to drive the social/hunter management of wildlife via the DWR, RAC and Wildlife Board system. When you manage wildlife for trophy hunting, it's nearly always at the expense of opportunity!
In the past, that leverage and influence was more subdued and not so noticeable nor divisive, but in the last few years it's grown way out of proportion and has pushed many of us beyond our level of tolerance. It's time to reign it in. Enough already!
Fortunately, I think we've seen some attitudes change a bit and some lights go on. Let's hope that continues and the 79% of hunters (at least deer hunters) who don't belong to ANY conservation organization are being considered.
YBO
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That's a great question. You guys who think UT hunting sucks (no monster bucks behind every other tree) should think about us poor nimrods on the left coast. Hell you guys are welcome to hunt Kalofornicated anytime. We love non residents, unlike many other states.
elkfromabove
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-20-15 AT 11:46AM (MST)[p]>Elkfromabove,
>
>Since meat hunting and "opportunity" is
>important to you, would you
>be happy with killing a
>doe each year?
>
>
>By the way your idea of
>"way out of proportion" is
>less than %1 of your
>state's big game tags.
It isn't a matter of having to choose a doe or a buck. It's a matter of having to choose a trophy buck or a small antlered buck or a doe. But to answer your question directly, the answer is NO, I would not be happy if I my ONLY option was to shoot a doe each year, but I would be happy if I could decide for myself. And it isn't only about the "meat". It's about the hunt and, in my case, it's about the challenge of beating the animal by using the only advantage I have, my brain. I know I can't outrun them nor outsmell them nor outsee them nor outhear them, but I can outthink them and that's what I enjoy doing. And I've found that the big antlered bucks aren't the only deer that can provide the challenge. I'll certainly take a trophy buck if I can, but if I have a tag I'm going to do what I can to fill it.
And you missed my point about "way out of proportion" and that was partially my fault. Sorry! I said it's not the money nor the size of the antlers nor the use of the money. I should also have included the number of tags. What's way out of proportion is the influence and leverage that those 1% of the tags gives to the groups that market them. The value of those 1% tags is way out of proportion. The makeup of the species committees, RAC's and Wildlife Board are way out of proportion and the rules and regulations that favor those groups is way out of proportion. And the number of those people who show up at the RAC and Wildlife Board meetings to influence policy is way out of proportion. Per the Mule Deer Committee survey, only 21% of mule deer hunters currently belong to ANY wildlife conservation group while 79% do not. You would think that policies would favor the majority of hunters, but such is not the case. But, like I said, I think we're beginning to see a turnaround. Let's (for many of us) hope so.
Edit: Since trophy hunting is so important to you, would you be happy killing/hunting a "quality" buck every 10 to 15 years?
>
>Since meat hunting and "opportunity" is
>important to you, would you
>be happy with killing a
>doe each year?
>
>
>By the way your idea of
>"way out of proportion" is
>less than %1 of your
>state's big game tags.
It isn't a matter of having to choose a doe or a buck. It's a matter of having to choose a trophy buck or a small antlered buck or a doe. But to answer your question directly, the answer is NO, I would not be happy if I my ONLY option was to shoot a doe each year, but I would be happy if I could decide for myself. And it isn't only about the "meat". It's about the hunt and, in my case, it's about the challenge of beating the animal by using the only advantage I have, my brain. I know I can't outrun them nor outsmell them nor outsee them nor outhear them, but I can outthink them and that's what I enjoy doing. And I've found that the big antlered bucks aren't the only deer that can provide the challenge. I'll certainly take a trophy buck if I can, but if I have a tag I'm going to do what I can to fill it.
And you missed my point about "way out of proportion" and that was partially my fault. Sorry! I said it's not the money nor the size of the antlers nor the use of the money. I should also have included the number of tags. What's way out of proportion is the influence and leverage that those 1% of the tags gives to the groups that market them. The value of those 1% tags is way out of proportion. The makeup of the species committees, RAC's and Wildlife Board are way out of proportion and the rules and regulations that favor those groups is way out of proportion. And the number of those people who show up at the RAC and Wildlife Board meetings to influence policy is way out of proportion. Per the Mule Deer Committee survey, only 21% of mule deer hunters currently belong to ANY wildlife conservation group while 79% do not. You would think that policies would favor the majority of hunters, but such is not the case. But, like I said, I think we're beginning to see a turnaround. Let's (for many of us) hope so.
Edit: Since trophy hunting is so important to you, would you be happy killing/hunting a "quality" buck every 10 to 15 years?
Tristate
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Why would you not be happy with a doe. Its lots of opportunity and its meat?????
It sounds more like you want to horn hunt too just your standards aren't set as high as the trophy hunter crowd. You are really upset because you can't make everyone else's trophy standards the same as your trophy standards. I am getting a lot less sympathetic to your argument.
As for your percentage comparison lets say only %21 belong to a conservation group, THAT %21 STILL GETS A VOICE. Maybe we should make %21 of the tags what the conservation group wants. How's that for "fair". Or how about the %80 of the country who doesn't hunt at all getting to tell you what to do with "their" wildlife since your a minority now????? Careful what you wish for when you are trying to calculate the strength of your vote.
It sounds more like you want to horn hunt too just your standards aren't set as high as the trophy hunter crowd. You are really upset because you can't make everyone else's trophy standards the same as your trophy standards. I am getting a lot less sympathetic to your argument.
As for your percentage comparison lets say only %21 belong to a conservation group, THAT %21 STILL GETS A VOICE. Maybe we should make %21 of the tags what the conservation group wants. How's that for "fair". Or how about the %80 of the country who doesn't hunt at all getting to tell you what to do with "their" wildlife since your a minority now????? Careful what you wish for when you are trying to calculate the strength of your vote.
elkfromabove
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>Why would you not be happy
>with a doe. Its
>lots of opportunity and its
>meat?????
>
>It sounds more like you want
>to horn hunt too just
>your standards aren't set as
>high as the trophy hunter
>crowd. You are really
>upset because you can't make
>everyone else's trophy standards the
>same as your trophy standards.
> I am getting a
>lot less sympathetic to your
>argument.
>
>As for your percentage comparison lets
>say only %21 belong to
>a conservation group, THAT %21
>STILL GETS A VOICE.
>Maybe we should make %21
>of the tags what the
>conservation group wants. How's
>that for "fair". Or
>how about the %80 of
>the country who doesn't hunt
>at all getting to tell
>you what to do with
>"their" wildlife since your a
>minority now????? Careful what
>you wish for when you
>are trying to calculate the
>strength of your vote.
Your response makes my case on so many levels it's amazing. Thanks! I answered your question, now answer mine!
>with a doe. Its
>lots of opportunity and its
>meat?????
>
>It sounds more like you want
>to horn hunt too just
>your standards aren't set as
>high as the trophy hunter
>crowd. You are really
>upset because you can't make
>everyone else's trophy standards the
>same as your trophy standards.
> I am getting a
>lot less sympathetic to your
>argument.
>
>As for your percentage comparison lets
>say only %21 belong to
>a conservation group, THAT %21
>STILL GETS A VOICE.
>Maybe we should make %21
>of the tags what the
>conservation group wants. How's
>that for "fair". Or
>how about the %80 of
>the country who doesn't hunt
>at all getting to tell
>you what to do with
>"their" wildlife since your a
>minority now????? Careful what
>you wish for when you
>are trying to calculate the
>strength of your vote.
Your response makes my case on so many levels it's amazing. Thanks! I answered your question, now answer mine!
elkfromabove
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>How can I answer a question
>based on a completely false
>assumption produced by you.
>The answer would not be
>honest.
Again you make my case! Thanks!
>based on a completely false
>assumption produced by you.
>The answer would not be
>honest.
Again you make my case! Thanks!
Vanilla
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elkfromabove,
You can choose. To say you can't is not being totally honest about the situation. Anyone that knows me or has read much of what I write on these topics knows I am no fan of SFW, their desire to end my way of life, or the way our elected officials and policy makers in Utah bow down to them. But the situation is not to the point where we can't choose which type of hunter we want to be. It doesn't have to be "us versus them" in this. There is room for all types in our system. Although I do agree that SFW needs to be reigned in big time. There is a chance for that with the expo contract. We shall see...
Tri- you appear worried about giving a dishonest answer for the first time in your monster mules history. Did you finally gain a conscience or something? Never mind. That was a dumb question.
You can choose. To say you can't is not being totally honest about the situation. Anyone that knows me or has read much of what I write on these topics knows I am no fan of SFW, their desire to end my way of life, or the way our elected officials and policy makers in Utah bow down to them. But the situation is not to the point where we can't choose which type of hunter we want to be. It doesn't have to be "us versus them" in this. There is room for all types in our system. Although I do agree that SFW needs to be reigned in big time. There is a chance for that with the expo contract. We shall see...
Tri- you appear worried about giving a dishonest answer for the first time in your monster mules history. Did you finally gain a conscience or something? Never mind. That was a dumb question.
elkfromabove
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>elkfromabove,
>
>You can choose. To say you
>can't is not being totally
>honest about the situation. Anyone
>that knows me or has
>read much of what I
>write on these topics knows
>I am no fan of
>SFW, their desire to end
>my way of life, or
>the way our elected officials
>and policy makers in Utah
>bow down to them. But
>the situation is not to
>the point where we can't
>choose which type of hunter
>we want to be. It
>doesn't have to be "us
>versus them" in this. There
>is room for all types
>in our system. Although I
>do agree that SFW needs
>to be reigned in big
>time. There is a chance
>for that with the expo
>contract. We shall see...
>
>Tri- you appear worried about giving
>a dishonest answer for the
>first time in your monster
>mules history. Did you finally
>gain a conscience or something?
>Never mind. That was a
>dumb question.
My answer was specific to Tri's question which was a set-up as usual. His whole focus is on the size of the antlers and he misses (or discounts) the reason(s) most of us hunt, which I explained. Of course I can choose. I never said I couldn't. I merely said I want to keep it that way, but that's even getting harder and harder to hang onto per the smaller deer hunting units with a LIMITED number of hunters who can ENTER, the increase in buck to doe ratios, the lose of statewide archery, the increase in official Limited Entry units with the attached Conservation Permits, the vast reduction in doe tags, the increased population objectives, claims of overcrowding, closing of public roads and smaller groups that can apply. All of this, along with the ongoing efforts to shorten seasons, impose antler size restrictions, create even more Limited Entry units and raise the buck to doe ratios even further. If there were a biological benefit to any one of these, then that's acceptable, even preferable, but most of it is social, meaning trophy driven.
Yes, there is room for all types of hunters in our system, but the room the majority of us are in is getting smaller and smaller and some of us are noticing and pushing back. If that's viewed by some as "us versus them", then so be it, but we're not the ones trying to make the all the changes. Or hadn't you noticed?
As for Tri's posts, you know he puts his own spin on everything and tries to put everyone else on the defensive emotionally with inciting words and phrases, but isn't willing or able to get off his own pedestal. My answer to his question didn't become an "argument" until he disagreed with it.
>
>You can choose. To say you
>can't is not being totally
>honest about the situation. Anyone
>that knows me or has
>read much of what I
>write on these topics knows
>I am no fan of
>SFW, their desire to end
>my way of life, or
>the way our elected officials
>and policy makers in Utah
>bow down to them. But
>the situation is not to
>the point where we can't
>choose which type of hunter
>we want to be. It
>doesn't have to be "us
>versus them" in this. There
>is room for all types
>in our system. Although I
>do agree that SFW needs
>to be reigned in big
>time. There is a chance
>for that with the expo
>contract. We shall see...
>
>Tri- you appear worried about giving
>a dishonest answer for the
>first time in your monster
>mules history. Did you finally
>gain a conscience or something?
>Never mind. That was a
>dumb question.
My answer was specific to Tri's question which was a set-up as usual. His whole focus is on the size of the antlers and he misses (or discounts) the reason(s) most of us hunt, which I explained. Of course I can choose. I never said I couldn't. I merely said I want to keep it that way, but that's even getting harder and harder to hang onto per the smaller deer hunting units with a LIMITED number of hunters who can ENTER, the increase in buck to doe ratios, the lose of statewide archery, the increase in official Limited Entry units with the attached Conservation Permits, the vast reduction in doe tags, the increased population objectives, claims of overcrowding, closing of public roads and smaller groups that can apply. All of this, along with the ongoing efforts to shorten seasons, impose antler size restrictions, create even more Limited Entry units and raise the buck to doe ratios even further. If there were a biological benefit to any one of these, then that's acceptable, even preferable, but most of it is social, meaning trophy driven.
Yes, there is room for all types of hunters in our system, but the room the majority of us are in is getting smaller and smaller and some of us are noticing and pushing back. If that's viewed by some as "us versus them", then so be it, but we're not the ones trying to make the all the changes. Or hadn't you noticed?
As for Tri's posts, you know he puts his own spin on everything and tries to put everyone else on the defensive emotionally with inciting words and phrases, but isn't willing or able to get off his own pedestal. My answer to his question didn't become an "argument" until he disagreed with it.
Tristate
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Every question I ever ask is specifically set up. I don't ask questions to not here an answer. Duh! I have very specific things I am trying to understand about your position. THATS THE PURPOSE OF A QUESTION!
If you want more opportunity do something that either makes more deer or fewer hunters. Take your pick. That's the cold hard reality of the NACM today. This ain't some cake and eat it too party anymore.
All those baby bucks you are happy killing are changing. Deer herds are dynamic. Management of said herds better by dynamic and changing too or your blessed opportunity will get less and less.
Vanilla,
I have always been honest here. Why do you think you hate it so much?
If you want more opportunity do something that either makes more deer or fewer hunters. Take your pick. That's the cold hard reality of the NACM today. This ain't some cake and eat it too party anymore.
All those baby bucks you are happy killing are changing. Deer herds are dynamic. Management of said herds better by dynamic and changing too or your blessed opportunity will get less and less.
Vanilla,
I have always been honest here. Why do you think you hate it so much?
Vanilla
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LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-15 AT 11:22AM (MST)[p]Elkfromabove, I agree with your last post 100%. Nothing wrong with fighting evil influences, no matter tthe topic. I am glad you're involved and sincerely appreciate your efforts.
As for the buck...this will sound bad, but isn't he a little disappointing for an AI buck? still a huge buck, but doesn't have the "wow" factor that all the others have had. Still a great buck, and the only person that has to be happy with it is the hunter. This one just seems like an outlier.
Yelum, am I off there? You know these deer as well as anyone.
As for the buck...this will sound bad, but isn't he a little disappointing for an AI buck? still a huge buck, but doesn't have the "wow" factor that all the others have had. Still a great buck, and the only person that has to be happy with it is the hunter. This one just seems like an outlier.
Yelum, am I off there? You know these deer as well as anyone.
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Great buck for sure
elkfromabove
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>LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-15
>AT 11:22?AM (MST)
>
>Elkfromabove, I agree with your last
>post 100%. Nothing wrong with
>fighting evil influences, no matter
>tthe topic. I am glad
>you're involved and sincerely appreciate
>your efforts.
>
>As for the buck...this will sound
>bad, but isn't he a
>little disappointing for an AI
>buck? still a huge buck,
>but doesn't have the "wow"
>factor that all the others
>have had. Still a great
>buck, and the only person
>that has to be happy
>with it is the hunter.
>This one just seems like
>an outlier.
>
>Yelum, am I off there? You
>know these deer as well
>as anyone.
And I appreciate your willingness to look at things from different angles. Thanks!
Now that's 2 down (actually, up) and only 9,297 more forum members to go. (I already wrote off Tri.) Then I can start on the other 200,000 out there, or whatever the latest figure is.
For the record, I don't consider the tactics, proposals or influences that the trophy-at-the-top-of-the-list crowd brings to the table as "evil". "Misguided" or "inconsiderate" or "uninformed" maybe, but I think "evil" carries it beyond an activity that we can simply abandon if or when it becomes too troublesome, expensive, inaccessible, and/or time consuming which is what seems to be happening already, thus the emphasis the DWR is putting on youth programs.
>AT 11:22?AM (MST)
>
>Elkfromabove, I agree with your last
>post 100%. Nothing wrong with
>fighting evil influences, no matter
>tthe topic. I am glad
>you're involved and sincerely appreciate
>your efforts.
>
>As for the buck...this will sound
>bad, but isn't he a
>little disappointing for an AI
>buck? still a huge buck,
>but doesn't have the "wow"
>factor that all the others
>have had. Still a great
>buck, and the only person
>that has to be happy
>with it is the hunter.
>This one just seems like
>an outlier.
>
>Yelum, am I off there? You
>know these deer as well
>as anyone.
And I appreciate your willingness to look at things from different angles. Thanks!
Now that's 2 down (actually, up) and only 9,297 more forum members to go. (I already wrote off Tri.) Then I can start on the other 200,000 out there, or whatever the latest figure is.
For the record, I don't consider the tactics, proposals or influences that the trophy-at-the-top-of-the-list crowd brings to the table as "evil". "Misguided" or "inconsiderate" or "uninformed" maybe, but I think "evil" carries it beyond an activity that we can simply abandon if or when it becomes too troublesome, expensive, inaccessible, and/or time consuming which is what seems to be happening already, thus the emphasis the DWR is putting on youth programs.
elkfromabove
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>Great buck for sure
It is, indeed! Was the hunt?
It is, indeed! Was the hunt?
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elkholla
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>>I'm not sure why everybody gets
>>so worked up about these
>>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>>purchases these tags for AI.
>>That money gets distributed (even
>>if it's a portion) back
>>into Mule Deer management for
>>the betterment of the herd
>>population. Why do we care
>>what/how they spend that $300K?
>>I personally could care less,
>>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>>of these giants come off
>>the island.
>>
>>Would I personally ever spend that
>>much money on a deer+guide
>>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>>In my current financial situation,
>>the answer would immediately be
>>NO! But, if I was
>>worth a couple million, $300K
>>dollars is peanuts and I
>>might!
>>
>>I guess we're all entitled to
>>our opinions, and that's what
>>makes 'Merica great, but I
>>see nothing wrong with these
>>guys wanting to spend big
>>dollars if they have it.
>>It benefits me ultimately in
>>the long run.
>>
>>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>>of that deer, and several
>>others from years past that
>>these tag holder have smacked.
>>I love seeing these big
>>boys hit the dirt!
>>
>>"Luck is often nothing more than
>>
>>preparation running into opportunity.?
>>-Some Smart Guy
>
>
>Wrong. The money for the AI
>tags goes to AI State
>Park. You know, for toilet
>paper, road repairs, employee wages,
>trash collection, important stuff like
>that. Oh, except the dirt
>bags at SFW get their
>10%.
Toilet paper, road repairs, employee wages, trash collection oh...and don't forget the intense deer and other wildlife management and WILDLIFE RELOCATION projects that benefit you and any other hunter that chooses to hunt in Utah. Every year the division rounds up a heap of critters to relocate in areas where the herds need a pick-me-up. The cost associated in doing this is very high! Who's going to pick up that tab?
Just because you yourself has never seen the direct benefits of the projects that occur on the island, funded by these tags and operations, to benefit the common man...doesn't mean you're not benefiting. Easy to be short-sided when you cannot see the evidence right in front of you.
"Luck is often nothing more than
preparation running into opportunity.?
-Some Smart Guy
>>so worked up about these
>>folks like Denny Auste(?) who
>>purchases these tags for AI.
>>That money gets distributed (even
>>if it's a portion) back
>>into Mule Deer management for
>>the betterment of the herd
>>population. Why do we care
>>what/how they spend that $300K?
>>I personally could care less,
>>and enjoy seeing the pictures
>>of these giants come off
>>the island.
>>
>>Would I personally ever spend that
>>much money on a deer+guide
>>combo? Honestly, I don't know!
>>In my current financial situation,
>>the answer would immediately be
>>NO! But, if I was
>>worth a couple million, $300K
>>dollars is peanuts and I
>>might!
>>
>>I guess we're all entitled to
>>our opinions, and that's what
>>makes 'Merica great, but I
>>see nothing wrong with these
>>guys wanting to spend big
>>dollars if they have it.
>>It benefits me ultimately in
>>the long run.
>>
>>Awesome buck! I have many pictures
>>of that deer, and several
>>others from years past that
>>these tag holder have smacked.
>>I love seeing these big
>>boys hit the dirt!
>>
>>"Luck is often nothing more than
>>
>>preparation running into opportunity.?
>>-Some Smart Guy
>
>
>Wrong. The money for the AI
>tags goes to AI State
>Park. You know, for toilet
>paper, road repairs, employee wages,
>trash collection, important stuff like
>that. Oh, except the dirt
>bags at SFW get their
>10%.
Toilet paper, road repairs, employee wages, trash collection oh...and don't forget the intense deer and other wildlife management and WILDLIFE RELOCATION projects that benefit you and any other hunter that chooses to hunt in Utah. Every year the division rounds up a heap of critters to relocate in areas where the herds need a pick-me-up. The cost associated in doing this is very high! Who's going to pick up that tab?
Just because you yourself has never seen the direct benefits of the projects that occur on the island, funded by these tags and operations, to benefit the common man...doesn't mean you're not benefiting. Easy to be short-sided when you cannot see the evidence right in front of you.
"Luck is often nothing more than
preparation running into opportunity.?
-Some Smart Guy
