MDF $1.1 MILLION IN UTAH

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Looks like someone is doing something. Say what you will at the end of the day, what really matters? Keyboard warriors with opinions and ulterior motives or Dedicated Volunteers in the dirt. Will be nice to see how many of the haters and/or complainers show up to help make a difference by working there asses off for nothing more than conservation and giving back for what we take and the opportunity thats been given.

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Salt Lake City, Utah: Today the Mule Deer Foundation (MDF) announced that it was providing over $1.1 million for habitat projects and mule deer research in Utah. The funding is generated from the sale of Utah Conservation Permits (Governor?s Tags) and money raised from the 200 Big Game Tag drawing held at the Western Hunting and Conservation Expo in Salt Lake City in February. The $1.1 million sets a record for the amount of money a wildlife conservation group has contributed to the Utah Watershed Restoration Initiative since its inception in 2005 in a single year.

?MDF is proud to contribute to the continued success of Utah?s Conservation Permit program, and we are seeing many successes from the dollars that have been dedicated toward habitat restoration,? commented MDF President & CEO, Miles Moretti. ?Utah?s mule deer population is the highest it has been in over 20 years, and that is a direct result of the investments made through this program.?

A variety of projects were funded that will benefit mule deer, elk, antelope, moose, turkeys and sage grouse throughout the five Utah Division of Wildlife Resources (DWR) administrative regions. Specific habitat improvement projects will include the removal of encroaching pinyon pines and juniper; development of water resources and guzzlers; fencing freeways to eliminate deer/vehicle collisions; and continuation of the successful urban deer transplant program. Funding will also be used for research on survival rates of mule deer fawns and adults, as well as the effects of habitat treatments on mule deer. In addition to the habitat and research projects, continued funding for the joint MDF/DWR habitat stewardship position.


?This $1.1 million was raised in Utah and had to be spent in Utah, but MDF is committed to raise funds for mule deer and black-tailed deer habitat restoration projects throughout the West,? Moretti continued. ?We have already spent a record amount for these projects this year and will continue to find ways to invest in the future of these icons of the West.?
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-16 AT 07:25PM (MST)[p]Congrats to MDF. How much of that money came from selling Conservation Permits that require a 90% commitment to conservation? Would it be too much to ask them to account for the money raised from the Expo Tags? We've only been asking for ten years. A press release announcing a commitment to transparency and accountability with Expo Tag proceeds would be more impressive.

-Hawkeye-
 
How much of your money came from RMEF?

I want an independent audit of your finances Hawkeye. We have a right to demand accountability from you.
 
I do not think this is about your lifelong Expo Tag Crusade against Expo. You are so blinded by frustration and hatred that you can not see any good in anything anyone does anymore.

This is a press release about MDF giving back. Any yet due to your tunnel vision you can not see anything good. Yes we all understand your point and your crusade. but dam...................... you must be on RMEF payroll to have so much negativity about everyone and everything.

Do you have anything else to offer us or to contribute to as well as this? Sorry dude.
Mad respect for what you have done and what you are asking for but holy hell. Do you have anything else to talk about???? We get your point. This looks like OCD to me. How about while yelling for Transparency all day, every day. You try to teach and inspire there has to be more to you than this Expo BS life mission. Teach us some legal #####, or advice or tell us how to spot, stalk, kill cook or a hunt story something. There is more to life than Expo Tags and Transparency. It will come, we hope but in the meantime.........................
 
Hey, I think MDF, RMEF, SFW and others do great things and I appreciate all they do. Good for them in giving back, but much of the credit when it comes to $$$ put back on the ground in Utah has to be given to the UDWR for giving high value tags to auction. Any of us can donate money if we're given something of high value to sell and were obligated to donate proceeds of the sale.
Seriously, good for them in doing their part.
Just keeping it real.

$1.1 million. Hopefully much good comes of it.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
LIKE MonsterMuleys.com on Facebook!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-16 AT 08:58PM (MST)[p]Bingo!!! Founder hit the nail on the head.

The DWR hands out nearly 400 Conservation Permits a year with the majority of those tags going to SFW and MDF. Those tags generate a ton of money of which 90% is required by law to be spent on conservation projects. So thank you MDF for taking our tags, selling them at banquets, pocketing 10%, and giving the required amount back to conservation.

Now what about our 200 Expo Tags? That would be a truly impressive press release.

-Hawkeye-
 
True that~Tags = Money but then what... Whats after. Why do they do this with the tags???
I will tell you. These groups are all fantastic at raising money but....... Thats only half the battle, half the story----The Money is raised then they (.orgs) have to rely on the science and the biology to know where to put it. The UDWR are people like all of us who committed there lives to wildlife. They spent years and a ton of money and time in college dedicated to the future.

Yes some of the plans and processes are flawed. And yes some of the plans we do not understand. But maybe we have a different vision. We are thinking and worrying about tags and wildlife today and next year and the DWR are looking 5 to 10 years. I have seen the plan for this money and it is the UDWR that will have the backhoes, piping, valves, seeds, helicopters, bulldozers, shovels, fencing, chains and more onsite so it can be done.

A lot of people disagree with the system and process but it is what it is. Fact is we (Utah) have found a way to do more. Sorry some people don't like it but, thats life at least we are doing something and the results are prove it. Giant DIY bucks and bulls on public land. Giant bucks and bulls and private land. DYI opportunity and guide and and outfitters opportunity. Utah is killing it in the industry with the all the hunting companies making it nation wide. We are on the map. Industry, animals, product. look who is hunting Utah- All the big names are here hunting. yes they pay for it and, so what!!

Committed DYI Bow Hunters are going big, Commited rifle hunter and muzzy hunter kiiling it!! Congtrats to all, Thanks for sharing!!~ Sorry to ramble i guess im just very optimistic and instead of just seeing all the bad and flaws. I see the good~~~ Little advice---- I suggest you try it! It will make your life a little better....... Just sayin
 
They should probably use it all to lease land and get easements drawn up to provide hunters easier access to hunt the tags they are able to draw.
 
Hawk- can you leave and quit trying to hi-jack this thread with you "Life's Work" granted you have a great motive and quest ahead of you but, I think most of us have heard enough of you and understand you quest. All good congrats on your goals. Start your own thread for the 10000 time and keep going! Go you!
Is this your life? MM all day, everyday. Holy smokes! Listen, not everyone agrees with yours and RMEFs tactics. We agree transparency is key. But dude give MM a break. This is not the populous vote. You are not the right of the wrong. This is a simple press release! Take it for what it is. Log off and go spend some time outdoors. Volunteer, play with the kids, find some new clients..... Anything. We understand your perspective, motive and more- great! Give it a break- not everyone thinks like you- sorry you and RMEF got your butts handed to you in Utah but really, what did you expect! Just cause your an attorney and have backing does not mean you always win. I agree with you in a lot of things, but your sitting on MM all day hi-jacking threads with your "life mission" and arguing with everyone who dose not agree. It's getting pathetic. Just do this thread a favor and leave! Go start your own and ramble on. Or find a mirror then you will find a perfect person who agrees with you on everything! We'll see what comes of expo tags but for now, do us all a favor and log off. This thread was not started to further you transparency campaign. It's merely showing what's going on with that money they got, that's it, sorry it's not good enough for you!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-16 AT 11:40PM (MST)[p]I can remember when we could draw or buy over the counter tags every year and hunt pretty much where we wanted. If where we wanted to hunt was on Private property, asking permission was frequently granted... as long as you left the gates as you found them, watched out for sick animals, and shot every coyote you saw. Much to my own dismay, My Grandpa never turned down a guy who knocked to ask he he could hunt our land, not once.

Now, with above big business meets right person attitudes, it takes 10-15- how many years to get a tag? We wait and wait, pay the price to stay in the game and wait while certain special people get to hunt every year? And some of you guys don't understand why us regular guys are getting concerned that you appear to want to go way further, "fences". Your war-chest is now full for 5 more years, probably 10 unless you're somehow stopped. Trouble is, you got that war chest by screwing up big time. I hope you lose public tags because those tags weren't awarded fairly and they were public assets.

The end of the day, my hunting is going to be very limited, i don't care at all about my own hunts. My adventures afield were many and oh so rewarding but i don't want any of this for myself. I'd like the guys out there and their kids who are waiting to get drawn, to think about how it used to be, how it is now, and then project how these guys want to make it in the future, and then ask yourself if, is it these guys who you want to lead the way in the Western States toward the future of hunting the "Kings Deer"?

IMO, these guys want to rape JQ Public and make it their beech,.. and so far, we're letting them.


Joey

Keep your slimy Paws Off My, Yours, Our,.. Public Land!!!
 
This is just as lame as $FW giving the DWR back its own money and calling it a "donation".




No estas en mexico ahora, entonces escoja tu basura chancho sucio.
 
Ihunt4200-

So once again, thank you MDF for taking our tags, selling them and then giving back to conservation the minimum required by law. I don't consider it a donation that justifies public applause when you are simply returning something to someone that they already own. But carry on because I don't want to hijack your love fest with a dose of reality.

-Hawkeye-
 
Yep....it seems as though the Utah moving truck is borrowed every year and is always returned with less gas in it than when it was originally borrowed. That doesn't need to be applauded.

Cancer doesn't discriminate...don't take your good health for granted because it can be gone in a heartbeat. Please go back and read the last line. This time really understand what it says.
 
Ain't that just like a lawyer. Tells you he doesn't want to hijack after posting three times trying to do so.

Go beat your dead horse elsewhere.
 
Richard,

Do you have a buzzer that anytime Hawkeye makes a comment you have to come on here and act like an idiot? Obviously you do. Whats your ax to grind?

BUt, back to the subject. I think its lame that people applaud MDF for giving back what was already theirs. Its like a thief robbing a bank of $1.2 million dollars and then giving back $1.1 million and all the cops applaud the thief for giving back a portion of it. KInd of lame.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-16 AT 07:15AM (MST)[p]The original poster calls out the "haters" and then complains they are high jacking the thread when they respond to him? I've heard some stupid things in my life, but...

Can you really call it "giving back" when this money comes from conservation permits? Let me illustrate:

Suppose I tell you I will give you $1,000, but the catch is you have to give $700 of it to the charity of my choice. When you 'donate' that $700 do you really take the credit? It was my money in the first place, and you just got paid $300 just to make a donation on my behalf.

MDF has done some good things. But let's not get carried away with these 'record donations' or 'giving back.' They were required by law to put that money into conservation. Those that showed up and bought the tags are the ones that gave the money, not MDF.
 
I agree with Ihunt. Many are tired of the complaining. Some may wonder if Hawkeye is obsessed. Some may think he is on a mission.

The DWR is the one who granted the permits to all conservation orgs including RMEF.

The DWR has awarded the expo tags, money used to help wildlife and hunting.

The DWR is dependent on conservation orgs and volunteers to be successful. The don't have the man power or budget to get the projects done that are needed.

Utah has more development,more roads, more cars, and projected population over the next 20 years is a lot. Don't have the figures in front of me.

The DWR and state believe these tags are a good investment for future huntable populations for a growing state. Hopefully we won't be rationed to hunt general seasons every 5 years thanks to these projects and investments now and in the past 20 years.

Thanks to all conservation orgs and the DWR, and to volunteers that work to help, not just complain.
 
No problem if the haters want to respond about the subject at hand. Its the fact that they hijack the thread to talk about their internet crusade.
 
Whether I like the issue or not, you protesters need to join the Sanders election group. You would shout down anything that had the intention of being good. You could turn all of the money back to the DWR, so they could increase salaries and people to administer all the money.

Hawkeye I used to love ya, but now I ain't so sure!! I wouldn't give a dime to RMEF. Elk do NOT need help in Utah, deer do. Yes, yes, I know - - they would spend some money deer habitat also, but nevertheless, most of their money would go to the enhancement for elk. MDF stands for "MULE DEER FOUNDATION". The State of Utah could enhance the mule deer population and their pocketbooks just by decreasing the elk population by half. Negative, negative, negative, now I am starting to sound like all of you.
 
Dang is Ihunt on the MDF pay roll? Thanks for giving us OUR $ back. It would of been a $2 million plus donation had they not pocked the expo $.
 
I can't believe the way people have let the state of Utah go to hell in a hand basket with all these tags. Now an organization just gives back money that isn't even theirs to begin with and that's required by law and all the koolaid drinkers come rushing out of the closet and holler hurray, LOL! All this while all the rest of the states and thousands upon thousands of hunters across the country are sitting back and looking at Utah as being the laughing stock of the hunting world! Congrats Utards, but please stay where you are, LOL!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-16 AT 11:00AM (MST)[p]Good on you MDF! Conservation funding is available to get some work done. Congratulations and thank you's to those who ran the bids up at the auctions. Kudos to those who paid those auction $.

Now let's ask these groups to go alittle further and donate 100%! That would be something to cheer about. You see, I'm a mule deer junky just like a lot of folks on here and just like those in these orgs. But I wouldn't keep a single cent. I'm giving it all back to conservation. Because that's how much I care.

I've spent more money in the name of conservation than I'll ever get in return. Not because the law said I had to. Because I chose to.
And I'll continue to do so. Give me a call and tell me where and when and I'll be there, tools, shovels, etc. in hand to put my blood, sweat, callused hands to work for these Utah deer. I'll use my vacation days to do it. I don't mind.
But at the end of the day, give the dam credit where the credit is due.




Theodore Roosevelt's guidance concerning
conservation...
"The movement for the conservation of wildlife,
and the conservation of all our natural resources,
are essentially democratic in spirit,purpose and
method."

"We do not intend that our natural resources shall
be exploited by the few against the interests of the
majority. Our aim is to preserve our natural
resources for the public as a whole, for the
average man and the average woman who make
up the body of the American people."

"It is in our power...to preserve game..and to give
reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the
skill of the hunter,whether he is or is not a man of
means."
 
Way to go MDF!

Here's proof that the "haters" (as some folks call them) cannot see anything but bad regardless of what's done. Oh well, good on MDF.

Funny how some of the most vocal dissenters don't have anything to do with Utah and yet still have nothing good to say about the State or most people therein. Really funny... like a sour stink in the garbage can!

Dissenters, please howl to your heart's content. This is the USA, after all.

Zeke
 
Zeke, so it's OK with you if the MDF and SFW along with their cronies in the DWR screw the Public out of what they now own and take it for themselves? You don't care about that? Really?

By the way, Public assets are just that, PUBLIC, owned by all of us, not just the wealthy and those just in Utah.


Joey

Keep your slimy Paws Off My, Yours, Our,.. Public Land!!!
 
Joey,
The same people cry about the same things regardless of the topic.
I suppose it should be blamed on the soapbox that lots of guys carry around with them.

The topic can read " I just build a new rifle" and the next poster will say something like "I would build a new rifle too if SFW and MDF didn't take all the tags". It gets old, especially from folks who constantly bash Utah... which you don't.

See Joey, it really doesn't matter what the topic is. The soapbox guys will always find some way to invade and proceed to alert everyone all the "bad" things.

To answer you question, when things are done by conservation groups that deserve scrutiny, then scrutinize the hell out of them. When things are done, which are good, they should be applauded.... but instead there's just more of the same old posts..... by the same soapbox crew...but everyone is entitled to an opinion and a voice.....as long as it falls in line with the soapboxers!

Look at the hell tristate gets on here. Sure, the guy has some crazy ideas but some of the time he's not too far off base but most of you guys refuse to even attempt a peak through his paradigm. It's become too "fashionable" to bash the "pig". (nice talk dudes)

Again, I don't ever expect to change any minds. That's not the way this works. I was just wistfully hoping for a little civility, going forward.

Zeke
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-07-16 AT 01:32PM (MST)[p]Zeke, i always liked you, serious, much like 2 Lumpy, i think you are a salt of the Earth kind of guy. Like 2Lumpy, i'm just going to have to disagree with you here and that too, for me is serious.

Sure there are People here that argue about their Calibers and there are those that defend their State, or maybe even their Political makeup. My thoughts are than none of that matters, all that stuff of opinion is good noise, i can take or leave it, but this particular issue, where some are wanting even more privatization of our public land and public tags, to sell those hunting rights to the few while all the time to further make it tough for the common man's ability to finally, after 15 or more years, draw his own hunt in on good Public Property, is a line that should not be crossed and one i and many others feel compelled to defend.

The way it's going and the future is clear to me that Hundreds will hunt every year if they choose to do so and 10's of thousands will all be cramped in on the remaining public land, a worst and a small portion of what it once was, and be all forced to hunt what's there or choose to not hunt at all.

It's going that way and these guys are in the forefront, pushing it that way as hard as they can. Politics, State's rights, Cartridges and firearms arguments mean nothing, THIS ONE DOES and i hope it is addressed soon.

BTW, Hawkeye is one stand up Dude. To think of him evil or anything like that is wrong in so many ways. Checks and balances, Hawkeye, heck of a job, Thank You and Well Done.

So they're giving back what the were supposed to... big deal, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.


Joey

Keep your slimy Paws Off My, Yours, Our,.. Public Land!!!
 
I love your passion, and like Hawkeye, I count you among my friends yet we have a respect-filled divergent opinion. BTW, I was just conversing with Hawkeye a couple days ago and hope to help him with a map-study session really soon. There are no hard feeling yet I know what I think and he knows what he thinks and they are not the same.

The biggest issue I have and the reason for my post is that EVERY SINGLE DAMN POST is usually looped and somehow SFW is brought up by the soapboxers! It doesn't matter anymore if they do good or bad (re-read that because it's so true). The posts will not change and opinions will not change and negativity seems to be the only thing that titillates some guys on here.... and usually through name-calling and belittling.

Reality is, most soapboxers don't want positive change, they want to biotch about it and express their opinion because it has become so fashionable. It's become some kind of badge of courage or popularity contest to see who can be the most negative without affecting anything positive. A handful are making a difference but even that won't be good enough for some.

We always seem to loop and loop and loop and look then repeat and loop our conversations back to the same topic regardless of the topic origin. It get's old to me but it seems other thrive on it. I think 90% of the posts about the big bad wolf is enough.

God bless America,
Zeke
 
Zeke,

To be fair, if you care about that, you have to acknowledge this thread was not started by those you are complaining about. And this thread started on that topic, nobody looped it back to anything. Again, only if you care about being fair to the situation.

One quote from the article raised a question: ?Utah?s mule deer population is the highest it has been in over 20 years, and that is a direct result of the investments made through this program.?

How much of the conservation and expo tag funds were allocated to purchasing perfect mule deer survival weather patterns multiple years in a row now?
 
This is a good discussion. Folks should feel free to share their opinions whatever they may be. Vanilla is correct that the original poster opened the door to comments on both sides by calling out the "haters and complainers." I don't consider myself a hater. Rather, I am a sportsman who appreciates the good things happening in our state but I am very concerned about the direction we are heading. When I see something that I think is wrong or broken, I roll up my sleeves and try to fix it. Some people may call that bitching or complaining. I call it standing up for what I believe is right.

Folks should feel free to disagree with me and my views. I won't take it personally. There are lots of good guys out there that seem quite content with the direction we are heading. Zeke, JMO, Cannonball - just to name a few. There are also a handful of clowns/jerks on both sides of the issue - and most of us know who they are.

I have no clue who the OP is but judging from his comments I would guess that he is closely tied to one of the group's or somehow benefits from the current system. That is fine. He is entitled to his opinion. If he posted a photo of a nice buck or also story from a recent hunt, I would compliment him on the post. But when he posts a press release bragging about the money contributed and calling out the haters with ulterior motives then he should not be too surprised with the responses he got.

-Hawkeye-
 
huntin50 posted: "Some may wonder if Hawkeye is obsessed. Some may think he is on a mission."

Yes, I am on a mission - a mission to fix a system that is broken.

-Hawkeye-
 
Being a fake conservative and NOT a regular Joe, I have one question??? With the mild winters we have had lately, how come NO other western states have had significant increases in deer numbers like Utah? Could it be that MDF and SFW have done what other orgs could not do?
 
Good questions YBO. I have seen the DWR's numbers for our deer herds - 384,000 this year. Post some links to reports or studies as to what is happening in other western states. Utah has gone "all in" when it comes to conservation tags and conservation money. It would be interesting to see some comparisons with other states. In the past, when I asked why Utah was not outperforming other states even with our heavy investment in habitat and conservation, I was usually told that Utah was different from other states and the comparisons were not fair. Has that changed? I would love to read some studies comparing various western states.

Perhaps Don was right and Utah is "the Serengeti of the West."

-Hawkeye-
 
Vanilla nailed it in post #16 with his analogy.
Give credit where credit is due. It's simple.

I have no problem expressing my gratitude for those who truly deserve it.
A group following the written rule of law concerning its responsibilities involving revenue in the name of conservation is not an achievement for that group. Without the written checks from those winning the auctions, those funds would not be there to donate.
Call me a hater, call me what you will.
No sweat off my back. I just call it as I see it.



"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
This press release is no reason for celebration. But not really reason for anger, either. MDF is meeting their LEGAL OBLIGATION. Are we really supposed to applaud this? Or is it what we always expected in the past?

Yes, I am pleased they met their obligation. It is a pretty low bar.
Now if MDF wants to brag about how much they raised from fund raising banquets NOT associated with selling state tags, I will be happy to congratulate them for real. And we all know they do this as well. The scale is vastly different, but not something to complain about.


The press release is just more smoke intended to confuse those uniformed about the real issues.

Bill
 
All I did was post a press release. There is no balloons. No parade.~ Does anyone here know what a Press release is?..... google it~ just info.........I just thought it was interesting to see a part of what everyone has been asking for. Its part of the action and transparency we all want.

Why is it that anyone who has a opinion that does not fit on the left side of this argument has ties or is on the payroll or benefits from the current system~

Guess what I do benefit because something is being done!! Someone is doing something trying to help. So what ~ at the expense of us~ the tags are stolen from us~ the public! Whatever thats all BS and all in theory. We don't own nothing~ State GOV owns everything~ including the bucks and bulls most of us will never hunt even if the small number of tags go back into the system.

Ok well lets put these tags back in the system. Now what? We are suppose to be happy because our odds just went to 5% instead of 3% on a LE tag. Ok great the Tags are now back in the system. Now what~ Who and How is anyone going to do anything to preserve our land, animals and habitat! CONSERVATION without money? Sell cookies? Door to Door... How? Judging by this press release, we just lost a million dollars. How do we preserve and grow our public resources now? the DWR. The RMEF (who does nothing for mule deer.....the SFW or Utah)

Guess what peoples~ i guess i just see thing differently, Im very optimistic and see the good in everything instead of the bad- Im willing to sacrifice a small percentage of draw odds to raise money for conservation in the hope my kids, and their kids can hunt. And if it takes selling tags to rich people. So what..... Im ok wit it~ Heres another press release~ THIS IS MY VIEW AND OPNION! All i want is someone to do something!

Just a press release people! showing something everyone has been asking for--- Do not get this confused with SFW. Have no idea of what they do or how they do it. When or why!

I hit hawk pretty hard and i apologize that was BS. I should have known that this press release would have turned into a tag/expo/transparency/BS/debate~ that was not my intent and i got pissed and lashed out. Did not think this through...... Im just sick of that debate~ There are plenty of threads to go voice your opinion on that, I just though this was cool to see but i guess some people are still pretty sore.

Really, I thought people would want to see something finally being done. Me..... Im ok with the Tags. Until someone comes up with a better option for getting Conservation Money by the millions and putting it back. Personally I do not care about Percentages. Just glad its happening!!

Ive got a job, kids a dam cat and a dog~ I love the mountains especially mule deer. I deer hunt, shed hunt, attend all the expos, buy product @KUIU_official, follow on social media. Hangout, drink, chew, spit. I jack ass around all the time and enjoy what i do have instead of worrying about what i don't have.... Im done say what you will................. don't care~ But......

Ive got a real world legitimate very important question for all you, haters, lovers, jack crack back hunters and debaters.

McGregor or Diaz??
 
Ihunt4200-

As I have said many times, you are entitled to your opinion. There is no need to apologize for your comments to me. Feel free to share your views and stand by them.

For those who understand the issues, there is a major difference between how conservation permits are handled and how expo tags are handled. When the group's feel pressure on the expo tag issue they always point to the projects that they are funding with conservation permit money. However, as explained previously, they are required by law to give 90% of that money to approved projects as a condition to taking the tags. Therefore, it is not an answer to the expo tag problem.

I too have a family, a job, love hunting, fishing and spending time in the outdoors. The only difference is I do care about what percentage of the money from our public tags is actually used for conservation. It is a very important issue to many sportsmen. If you are tired of the debate then you should not have jumped into it with your original post.

-Hawkeye-
 
Thanking the MDF for this 1.1 million is like thanking the Government for my tax return. It was already my money. Why thank them for it.

Actually, it's think thanking the government for keeping 10% of my tax return.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-08-16 AT 03:16PM (MST)[p]Ihunt4200..... I would like you to answer 2 questions.

Since you are obliged by the fact all this money is raised by auctions to help conservation efforts, how many tags do feel good about them auctioning to the rich?
I guess my question is where do you draw the line with the number of tags going to the rich?



Yes, you are entitled to your opinion just as much as the next guy. They posted theirs as well. I would encourage everyone who is not familiar with the tag allocations to do some research and learn what the administrative rules are regarding the different tags.


"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Looks like 4200 may not answer your questions. I'd like for you BillyBoB to answer those same two questions. Thanks
 
YBO,

Any thoughts on the article I posted in response to your statement that "NO other state" around Utsh has seen mule deer increases?
 
Vanilla, I was trying to find the statistics that UTAH deer herds have increased the highest percentage of any western state. I googled it and nothing came up. Maybe someone else read the article. I do remember that IDAHO herds were either second or third. Most of the western states showed some increases, but the article stated that UT had the highest % increase since 2007/2008. We can say certainly that mild winters and proactive organizations have helped UT deer herds.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-09-16 AT 08:14AM (MST)[p]Idaho gave out almost double the deer tags Utah did in 2014. Since this is human controlled, I'm thinking we should do whatever they are doing!
 
YBO....
I've seen the list of conservation permits, it has increased significantly for the next expo. To me, it seems each year that goes by, more tags are auctioned. There are tons of tags that SFW and MDF auctions off individually and as co-partners. The list is disheartening. I understand that there should be some tags auctioned, but it's gotten out of hand. Especially when you consider point creep for those waiting in line. The line seems to get longer and longer.

To answer your/my question...the numbers last year were pushing it, the numbers for next year, are excessive and not necessary. But that's my opinion.


"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-10-16 AT 08:45AM (MST)[p]>YBO....
>I've seen the list of conservation
>permits, it has increased significantly
>for the next expo. To
>me, it seems each year
>that goes by, more tags
>are auctioned. There are tons
>of tags that SFW and
>MDF auctions off individually and
>as co-partners. The list is
>disheartening. I understand that there
>should be some tags auctioned,
>but it's gotten out of
>hand. Especially when you consider
>point creep for those waiting
>in line. The line seems
>to get longer and longer.
>
>
>To answer your/my question...the numbers last
>year were pushing it, the
>numbers for next year, are
>excessive and not necessary. But
>that's my opinion.
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
>Theadore Roosevelt

So maybe it's time to put caps on Conservation Permits, just as we've done with the Expo Permits! That way there's less economical incentive to create more Limited Entry units, thus reducing or limiting General permits, and more economical competition for the Conservation Permits we have.
 
Yes I believe there should be a cap. Im sure there will be some who disagree. I believe the administrative rule concerning the 200 expo tags is worded "up to 200"
Even if there was a cap on auctioned tags at the WHExpo in the administrative rule, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would be followed. Look at the current administrative rules regarding how the expo contract is decided...It says nothing about an RFP.


"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
>Yes I believe there should be
>a cap. Im sure there
>will be some who disagree.
>I believe the administrative rule
>concerning the 200 expo tags
>is worded "up to 200"
>
>Even if there was a cap
>on auctioned tags at the
>WHExpo in the administrative rule,
>it doesn't necessarily mean that
>it would be followed. Look
>at the current administrative rules
>regarding how the expo contract
>is decided...It says nothing about
>an RFP.
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
>Theadore Roosevelt

Actually, I was thinking of putting a cap on ALL the Conservation tags not just the ones at the WHExpo! Radical, huh?
 
Well I think only people who look think and act like me should get a deer tag. And most important if you make more money than me you shouldn't get a deer tag.

It is imperative that we make sure that deer stay worthless undervalued beasts.



I think its hilarious the same people who want 100K fines and loss of job or career for poaching, ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK A DEER SHOULD BE WORTH MORE THAN $500!

Here's an idea. If you want deer poachers to get treated stiffly make the state feel like the poacher made them loose real money instead of just a few hundred bucks for a deer tag.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-11-16 AT 10:32AM (MST)[p]I am in agreement with Hawkeye. My first thought was "why should we celebrate when the MDF is only giving back what was given them by the state". Some will claim if I ponder that thought and express it that I hate the MDF. That is a ridiculous and frankly a very poor counter point. I think the MDF has done some good things and potential to do more.

When I lived back east I worked as a chapter chairman of one of the conservation orgs. When we had a banquet, we as a committee had to solicit private hunt outfits to donate hunts and access. It was not easy but we were successful in finding people. I feel that when we turned around and donated funds from the banquets for habitat and other projects, we were actually giving something to the species and the resource for hunters. Something that wasn't a public resource already. I realize that in most cases, the MDF banquets probably do auction off privately donated resources, but is that the bulk of the resource. I am doubtful.

To me it just does not seem to be the same when an organization receives a huge public resource to auction off, then claims they are donating back to the organization that gave them the resource. I'm glad they gave back some of the resources they were given, but it would sure be nice if they gave it all back.
 
>Well I think only people who
>look think and act like
>me should get a deer
>tag. And most important
>if you make more money
>than me you shouldn't get
>a deer tag.
>
>It is imperative that we make
>sure that deer stay worthless
>undervalued beasts.
>
>
>
>I think its hilarious the same
>people who want 100K fines
>and loss of job or
>career for poaching, ARE THE
>SAME PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK
>A DEER SHOULD BE WORTH
>MORE THAN $500!
>
>Here's an idea. If you
>want deer poachers to get
>treated stiffly make the state
>feel like the poacher made
>them loose real money instead
>of just a few hundred
>bucks for a deer tag.
>


Richard at it again, making no cents common at all %100 of the time.
 
Who said anything about poaching? Oh ya...the guy who likes to argue with himself. Im guessing he changed the brand of glue used for his taxidermy work.

Can someone please share a link with the number of tags? I've seen the list not long ago. But i can't seem to find it.
Tags from the last two years if possible.
Thanks



"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Here is a link to the list of Conservation Permits by organization for 2016 and the list itself: http://wildlife.utah.gov/hunting/biggame/pdf/2016_conservation_permits.pdf

Foundation for North American Wild Sheep
www.utahfnaws.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Page 1 of 8
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Henry Mtns/La Sal/San Juan/San Rafael, Dirty Devil Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Kaiparowits (Comb) Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep San Rafael North/South Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
D t Bi h Sh Desert Bighorn Sheep Statewide St t id S t 1 D 31 2016 Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Desert Bighorn Sheep Zion (early) Sept. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Book Cliffs, South Nov. 1?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Box Elder, Newfoundland Mtn (early) Oct. 29?Dec. 31, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Nine Mile, Range Creek (early) Nov. 1?Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Wild Turkey Southern Region Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Safari Club International
www.safariclubutah.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Antlerless Elk South Slope South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Central Mtns, Nebo Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountians, Nebo Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Panguitch Lake/Zion Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Panquitch Lake/Zion Unit during the 2016 season
Bison Henry Mtns, Hunter's Choice (late) Nov. 19?Dec. 1, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs (North and South) Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/1 Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Cougar Central Mtns, Manti Limited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns, Manti Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Plateau, Boulder Split Any open unit in the Plateau, Boulder Area during the 2016-2017 season
Pronghorn Fillmore, Oak Creek Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pine Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Riverbed Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Mule Deer Foundation
www.muledeer.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Page 2 of 8
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Wasatch Mtns, West Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mountians, West Unit during the 2016 season
B kDuc eer Book Cliffs Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16 B k Cliff Ch i f Rifl 10/22/16 10/30/16 A h 08/20/16 09/16/16 M 09/28/16 10/06/16
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Fillmore, Oak Creek LE Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer La Sal, Dolores Triangle Choice of season Rifle 11/19/16 - 11/27/16 or Arch 11/05/16 - 11/18/16 or Muzz 11/30/16 - 12/08/16
Buck Deer Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Any Weapon Oct 22?Oct 30 2016 Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slo Buck Deer South Slope,Diamond Mtn An Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30 Oct. 22 Oct. 30,2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Statewide Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1, 2016 - Jan. 15, 2017
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Beaver, East Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, North Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Cache, South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
B ll Elk Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 Fill P h t A W S t 17 S t 25 2016 N 12 N 20 2016
Bull Elk Fillmore, Pahvant Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Monroe Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk North Slope, Three Corners Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
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Bull Elk Oquirrh-Stansbury Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
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Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Cougar Central Mtns Manti Central Mtns,
Manti Limited Entry/Split Li
mited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns Manti Area during the 2016 2017 season Any open unit in the Central Mtns,
Manti Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Statewide Any unit throughout the State during the 2016-2017 season
Mountain Goat Beaver (early) Sept. 10?Sept. 25, 2016
Mountain Goat Ogden, Willard Peak (late) Sept. 26?Nov. 15, 2016
Mountain Goat Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pronghorn Cache/Morgan Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept. 17 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 Sept. 25, 2016
National Wild Turkey Federation
www.nwtf.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slo South Slope,Yellowstone Multi-season An Yellowstone Multi season Any limited entr limited entry season in the South Slo season in the South Slope,Yellowstone Unit durin Yellowstone Unit during the 2016 season the 2016 season
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs (North and South) Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Bull Elk Beaver, East Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 y p p p
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Cougar Chalk Creek/Kamas, East Canyon, and Morgan-South Rich Limited Entry Any open unit in the Chalk Creek/Kamas, East Canyon, and Morgan-South RichArea during the 2016- 2017 season
Cougar Wasatch Mtns, Currant Creek and Wasatch Mtns,West Limited Entry Any open unit in the Wasatch Mtns, Currant Creek and Wasatch Mtns,West Area during the 2016- 2017 season
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Page 3 of 8
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Statewide April 1 - May 31, 2016
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Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
www.rmef.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk Cache Any open units in the guidebook that include Cache in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any open units in the guidebook that include Central Mountains, Manti in the unit name
A tl l Elk Antlerless Elk Plateau Pl t A it i th id b k th t i l d Pl t i th it Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk South Slope Any open units in the guidebook that include South Slope in the unit name
Bear Beaver Spring, Summer, Fall Any limited entry season in the Beaver Unit during the 2016 season
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk Book Cliffs Little Creek Roadless Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept 17?Sept 25 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Monroe An Bull Elk Monroe Any Weapon Sept. 17?Se . 17 Sept. 25,2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20 2016 or Nov. 12 Nov. 20,2016
Bull Elk Oquirrh-Stansbury Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk San Juan Bull Elk Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016 y p p p
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Pronghorn Mt Dutton/Paunsaugunt, Johns Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Pine Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Rush Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn West Desert, Snake Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife
www.sfw.org
Species Area Condition Season Dates
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
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Antlerless Elk La Sal Any open units in the guidebook that include La Sal in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Antlerless Elk Plateau Any open units in the guidebook that include Plateau in the unit name
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/ South Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Book Cliffs, Little Creek Roadless Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek Roadless Unit during the 2016 season
Bear C t l Mt M ti N th Central Mtns, Manti-North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountains, Manti - North Unit during the 2016 seas M lti A li it d t i th C t l M t i M ti N th U it d i th 2016 on
Bear Central Mtns, Manti-North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountains, Manti - North Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Central Mtns, Manti-South/San Rafael, North Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Central Mountians, Manti -South/San Rafael, North Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Chalk Creek/Kamas/North Slope, Summit Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Chalk Creek/Kamas/North Slope, Summit Unit during the 2016 season
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season S S
Bear La Sal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the La Sal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Nine Mile Summer-Fall Any limited entry season in the Nine Mile Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan San Juan Multi season Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear San Juan Multi-season Any limited entry season in the San Juan Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Multi-season Any limited entry season in the South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn/Vernal Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Statewide Any open unit during the 2016 season
Bear W t h Mt W t Wasatch Mtns, West Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mountians, West Unit during the 2016 season M lti A li it d t i th W t h M ti W t U it d i th 2016
Bison Book Cliffs, Wild Horse Bench (Hunter's Choice) Dec. 3, 2016?Jan. 31, 2017
Bison Henry Mtns, Hunter's Choice (early) Nov. 5?Nov. 17, 2016
Bison Statewide Sept. 1 - Dec. 31, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Book Cliffs Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer Buck Deer Cache Crawford Mtn Cache, Crawford Mtn Muzzleloader Muzzleloader Nov 19?Dec 4 2016 Nov. 19?Dec. 4, 2016
Buck Deer Henry Mtns Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer North Slo Buck Deer North Slope,Summit An Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20 Oct. 8 Oct. 20,2016
Buck Deer North Slope, Summit Any Weapon Oct. 8?Oct. 20, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Buck Deer San Juan, Elk Ridge Choice of season Rifle 10/22/16 - 10/30/16 or Arch 08/20/16 - 09/16/16 or Muzz 09/28/16 - 10/06/16
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
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Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Any Weapon Oct. 22?Oct. 30, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer West Desert, Vernon Muzzleloader Sept. 28?Oct. 6, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Box Elder, Grouse Creek Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
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Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, Meadowville Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Cache, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk Cache South Cache, South Archery Archery Aug 20 Sept 16 2016 Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Nebo Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Bull Elk La Sal La Sal Mtns La Sal, La Sal Mtns Muzzleloader Muzzleloader Sept 26 Sept. 26?Oct 7 2016 Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Mt Dutton Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Nine Mile, Anthro Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk North Slope, Three Corners Any Weapon Oct. 1?Oct. 14, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Pan Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Muzzleloader Se Lake Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016 26 Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Paunsaugunt Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Plateau, Fishlake/Thousand Lakes Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Statewide Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1, 2016 - Jan. 15, 2017
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or Nov. 12 - Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Elk Wasatch Mtns Muzzleloader Sept. 26?Oct. 7, 2016
Bull Elk Bull Elk West Desert Deep Creek West Desert, Deep
Creek Any Weapon Any
Weapon Sept 17 Sept 25 2016 or Oct 8 Oct 20 2016 or Nov 12 Nov 20 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 or
Oct. 8 - Oct. 20, 2016 or Nov. 12 -Nov. 20, 2016
Bull Elk West Desert, Deep Creek Multi-season All Limited Entry Seasons
Bull Moose Statewide Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2016
Bull Moose Wasatch Mtns/Central Mtns Sept. 17?Oct. 20, 2016
Bull Moose Wasatch Mtns/Central Mtns Sept. 17?Oct. 20, 2016
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Cougar Box Elder, Desert and Box Elder, Raft River Split Any open unit in the Box Elder, Desert and Box Elder, Raft River Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Central Mtns, Nebo and Central Mtns, Nebo-West Face Split Any open unit in the Central Mtns, Nebo and Central Mtns, Nebo-West Face Area during the 2016- 2017 season
Cougar Mt Dutton Split Any open unit in the Mt Dutton Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Oquirrh-Stansbury and West Desert, Tintic-Vernon Limited Entry/Split Any open unit in the Oquirrh-Stansbury and West Desert, Tintic-Vernon Area during the 2016-2017 season
Cougar Plateau, Fishlake Split Any open unit in the Plateau, Fishlake Area during the 2016-2017 season
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Desert Bighorn Sheep Zion (late) Oct. 17?Dec. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat North Slope/South Slope, High Uintas Central Sept. 12?Oct. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat North Slope/South Slope, High Uintas West Sept. 12?Oct. 31, 2016
Mountain Goat Ogden, Willard Peak (early) Sept. 12?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Beaver Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Book Cliffs, South Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Box Elder, Puddle Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Cache/Morgan-South Rich/Ogden Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Mt Dutton/Paunsaugunt, Johns Valley Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Nine Mile, Anthro-Myton Bench Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
P hrongorn Nine Mile, Anthro-Myton Bench Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016 Ni Mil A th M t B h A W S t 17 S t 25 2016
Pronghorn North Slope, Three Corners/West Daggett Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau Parker Mtn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Any Weapon Sept 17 Sept 25 2016 Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Plateau, Parker Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn San Rafael, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn San Rafael, North Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn South Slope, Bonanza/Diamond Mtn Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn South Slo South Slope,Vernal An Vernal Any Weapon Sept. 17?Se . 17 Sept. 25,2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Southwest Desert Any Weapon Sept. 17?Sept. 25, 2016
Pronghorn Statewide Any Weapon Archery from Aug. 20 - Aug. 31 and ALW from Sept. 1 - Nov. 15, 2016
Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep Nine Mile, Range Creek (late) Nov. 16?Dec. 31, 2016
Wild Turkey Central Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016 y g y
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Northern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
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Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Wild Turkey Southeastern Region 04/09 - 04/28 & Youth Only 04/29 - 05/01 & Statewide 05/2 - 05/31/2016
Utah Bowmen for Habitat
http://utahbowmen.org
Species Species Area Condition Condition Season Dates Season Dates
Bear Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Plateau, Boulder/Kaiparowits Unit during the 2016 season
Bear Wasatch Mtns, Avintaquin/Currant Creek Multi-season Any limited entry season in the Wasatch Mtns, Avintaquin/Current Creek Unit during the 2016 season
Bison Henry Mtns, Cow Only (early) Dec. 3?Dec. 16, 2016
Buck Deer Paunsaugunt Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Buck Deer South Slope, Diamond Mtn Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016 p , y g p,
Bull Elk Book Cliffs, Bitter Creek/South Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Central Mtns, Manti Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk La Sal, La Sal Mtns Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Panguitch Lake Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk South Slope, Diamond Mtn Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
Bull Elk Southwest Desert Archery Aug. 20?Sept. 16, 2016
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-Hawkeye-
 
2014: 263 conservation permits
2015: 261 conservation permits
2016: 314 conservation permits

2014: 6 pages of permits
2015: 7 pages of permits
2016: 8 pages of permits

I hope I counted them right.
Should we take bets for how many there will be for 2017?




"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
Billyboob,

I'm trying to explain how y'all hate conservation tags but they are the only logical reason you have to justify the merciless game laws you desire. Without the values set by those auctions you can't justify those deer being worth more than a few hundred bucks.
 
Hey trollstate.. Somewhere you got confused.....is it the glue again?
Where did I state that I hate conservation permits? Your putting words in my mouth which I never said.
How do you assume someone hates conservation permits based off an opinion that those tags should be limited?
I understand the purpose and importance of those tags. But I also believe a line should be drawn in the sand.

There should be a set limit and it should be reviewed and voted on to possibly change the limit of those tag numbers every other year. Maybe every 5 years....

More rules and regulations regarding public assets....who wouldn't want that? Oh maybe SFW and MDF.


"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt
 
>
>Actually, I was thinking of putting
>a cap on ALL the
>Conservation tags not just the
>ones at the WHExpo! Radical,
>huh?

Putting a cap on those tags would make them rarer and thus more valuable while at the same time, any increase in the big game populations in the limited entry units and the once-in-a-lifetime species would reduce the point creep. The best of both worlds!
 
>I agree with Ihunt. Many
>are tired of the complaining.
> Some may wonder if
>Hawkeye is obsessed. Some may
>think he is on a
>mission.
>
>The DWR is the one who
>granted the permits to all
>conservation orgs including RMEF.
>
>The DWR has awarded the expo
>tags, money used to help
>wildlife and hunting.
>
>The DWR is dependent on conservation
>orgs and volunteers to be
>successful. The don't have
>the man power or budget
>to get the projects done
>that are needed.
>
>Utah has more development,more roads, more
>cars, and projected population over
>the next 20 years is
>a lot. Don't have the
>figures in front of me.
>
>
>The DWR and state believe these
>tags are a good investment
>for future huntable populations for
>a growing state. Hopefully
>we won't be rationed to
>hunt general seasons every 5
>years thanks to these projects
>and investments now and in
>the past 20 years.
>
>Thanks to all conservation orgs and
>the DWR, and to volunteers
>that work to help, not
>just complain.

And by the DWR you mean the Wildlife Board, which is populated by $fw, who believes giving tags away is a good idea. Similar to how my fat azz believes free samples are a good idea.

So lets cut the fog, and cut to the chase.
1. Funny how after 10 years they can't find an accountant, but they did find a PR agent.

2. If they were required to give back $1.1 million by law, how much did they keep?(See #1).

3. Are there any specifics? The word "conservation" has become similar to the lefties use of "green".

4. A pat on the back to the guys who are able to hold their nose, close their eyes and go do projects that ACTUALL help wildlife, those guys don't have PR agents, and do what they think is right. They don't even mind that MDF takes credit for their work. The grassroots guys are in it for the right reasons.

5. You 200(plus the banquet tags) that sit your azzes home this fall. Or are "unsuccessful" for the 20th year in a row, take heart knowing the Doyle is setting record profit numbers. Denny bypassed all that pedestrian waiting period and points game. And MDF took your money and gave back a fraction off what you gave them. Its way better that some outfitter with a deep pocket killed that deer with one of those 200 tags than you. Of course a dead deer is a dead deer, it really doesn't know if it was you after 20 years of trying, or Richy Rich, who needed something to do for a day, and needed a tax write off.

I mean MDF is going to "donate" to "conservation"
 
Wow hossblur,

Do you ever think about trying a different flavor of Haterade. I guess "Spewed BS" flavor tastes the best to you.
 
>Well I think only people who
>look think and act like
>me should get a deer
>tag. And most important
>if you make more money
>than me you shouldn't get
>a deer tag.
>
>It is imperative that we make
>sure that deer stay worthless
>undervalued beasts.
>
>
>
>I think its hilarious the same
>people who want 100K fines
>and loss of job or
>career for poaching, ARE THE
>SAME PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK
>A DEER SHOULD BE WORTH
>MORE THAN $500!
>
>Here's an idea. If you
>want deer poachers to get
>treated stiffly make the state
>feel like the poacher made
>them loose real money instead
>of just a few hundred
>bucks for a deer tag.
>

First, if poaching was a felony, and you are guilty of commiting a felony with a firearm, then you made a pretty shizzy choice. I learned in hunters safety 30 yrs ago that YOUR responsible for your bullet from the pull of the trigger to it stoping.

But TRI, your wrong. I totally agree with you. A deer tag should be worth more than $500. HOW MUCH DID MDF/$FW pay for it? That is exactly the point. You created clarity by stumbling on it. SO, now I know you can support us in wanting them to pay market value to the DWR for every tag, then they can sell them. GENIUS!! Thanks Texas! I totally agree, I am 100%, as I now see you are for ending the welfare and letting them pay to play!!


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 

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