195" 4x4
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Soj51hopeful
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I would wager that the "average" hunter would consider a 160" 4x4 a great deer. Me included.
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I just want to look at them. Post em up!
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-27-17 AT 09:56AM (MST)[p]Anything that big is giant. I don't know the average but I would bet with all the deer killed every year including meat bucks the average sized mule deer is less than 120" probably smaller. Think of all the hunters out there and realize that probably only 10-15% of them will ever kill a true 170"+ buck. In reality a 160" deer is a nice four point. Over 170" into 180 and 190 is really big. Once you break the 200 inch Mark that's just stupid big.
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A 190"+ typical is less than 1% of deer on most of the continent. I don't count the AZ Strip or some of these premium ranches, because they just don't count in my book. They might as well be high fence deer. Sorry if that hurt some feelings, but that's how I see it. It's not challenging when the only people that get to hunt them are the stupid lucky or the extremely rich that fork over the price of a car, and then go through the trail cam pics with the outfitter to pick which deer they want, and which watering hole to ambush them at. Sounds more like paying for a high priced escort than hunting. LOL.
So yes, your 194" 4x4 is an insane benchmark, unless you took him in one of the above scenarios
So yes, your 194" 4x4 is an insane benchmark, unless you took him in one of the above scenarios
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It doesn't matter antler size. A true trophy is a buck at least 8 years old. 5 and 6 year olds are just to easy to kill. Well at least according to Pigboy anyway.
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I have a 120 inch 3x4 at the taxidermist right now in my mind he's a great buck because I killed him with my smoke pole at 12 yards with my wife and best friend watching and he never even knew I existed. Score means less than the hunt!
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To me a Big/Good buck is the one that trips my trigger finger that day. Seem to me that you have a couple of good ones that did just that........
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one that is exceptional is one of the categories of mass, width, tine length, beams, etc. Score may not always be great and can vary by location, but you usually know "great" when you see it.
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Pictures would be nice...
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I am a true believer in how the animal makes you feel versus what it ends up scoring. Like others have said, score is just a number. The experience and memories will always outlast the score. Here is my 2015 SJ Archery Buck. He ended up scoring lower than expected but that doesn't matter, he is exactly what I was looking for. He is Wide, Heavy, & had extras.
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I agree with the rich people thing where they pay a bunch of money but besides that you must have never hunted the strip before. Some of the hardest hunting you'll ever do. Low deer numbers and a huge amount of land. It's not the deers fault or the hunters fault that they are out in the middle of nowhere. People work super hard to kill those deer.
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I like the mass ,a 170 buck that is heavy beats a 200"willow horn in my book!
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>The larger buck has more mass
>than the smaller actually. Doesn't
>look that way in pics
>tho I agree on that.
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Ya I'd pass on those dinks not two hundred inches! If anyone saw those bucks on the hoof they wouldn't think twice. Stud bucks right there !!!! Congrats !!!!
>than the smaller actually. Doesn't
>look that way in pics
>tho I agree on that.
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Ya I'd pass on those dinks not two hundred inches! If anyone saw those bucks on the hoof they wouldn't think twice. Stud bucks right there !!!! Congrats !!!!
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Here's how I think about 4x4s
170" is a great buck, a buck I would be more than happy to take every year.
180" is a big buck, first day shooter on any general hunt
190" is a giant buck, first day shooter on trophy hunts
200'' as a 4x4 is a WORLD CLASS giant that's a lot more rare than people think.
170" is a great buck, a buck I would be more than happy to take every year.
180" is a big buck, first day shooter on any general hunt
190" is a giant buck, first day shooter on trophy hunts
200'' as a 4x4 is a WORLD CLASS giant that's a lot more rare than people think.
Thanks guys! I love these two bucks but score gets caught up in every conversation. Trophy is in the hunters eyes in my opinion. I knew I got lucky on these two and may never top these but just wanted to know what most Muley hunters thought on 4x4s. I have a 3x3 that doesn't score much but may be my favorite deer because he's very unique and was 10+ years old. He got away from me and I looked for him 3 days before catching up to him so the hunt was fun also!
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>I agree with the rich people
>thing where they pay a
>bunch of money but besides
>that you must have never
>hunted the strip before. Some
>of the hardest hunting you'll
>ever do. Low deer numbers
>and a huge amount of
>land. It's not the deers
>fault or the hunters fault
>that they are out in
>the middle of nowhere. People
>work super hard to kill
>those deer.
If outfitters and trail cams didn't sit on these deer all year, than I'd agree with you, what a hunt that would be! I also agree that those trail cams and outfitters work super hard, but they're not the shooter, so what kind of accomplishment is that? It's not.
>thing where they pay a
>bunch of money but besides
>that you must have never
>hunted the strip before. Some
>of the hardest hunting you'll
>ever do. Low deer numbers
>and a huge amount of
>land. It's not the deers
>fault or the hunters fault
>that they are out in
>the middle of nowhere. People
>work super hard to kill
>those deer.
If outfitters and trail cams didn't sit on these deer all year, than I'd agree with you, what a hunt that would be! I also agree that those trail cams and outfitters work super hard, but they're not the shooter, so what kind of accomplishment is that? It's not.
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-01-17 AT 10:56AM (MST)[p]>
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>This was my Sonora deer from
>last year.
Please, for the love of Mike, No more ride em' cowboy pictures.
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>This was my Sonora deer from
>last year.
Please, for the love of Mike, No more ride em' cowboy pictures.
