Wyoming Worse Than Utah General Hunt

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A lot of guys have been saying Wyoming Region G is not as bad as a Utah General Deer hunt and when I made that claim they got really defensive and asked for proof.

In Utah this year in a general unit I saw some awesome bucks. Within 45 minutes of downtown Salt Lake. In region G I had to ride into the back country to get to some bucks.

This guy wrote up a great post. He was able to hunt Idaho (supposedly worse than Utah) and got a great buck. Utah general tag...great buck...saw lots of bucks... Wyoming...nada ... said 0 bucks in a basin there had been 37 just last year. Then he hunted Montana. Got a great buck. Montana, known for horrible deer hunting, small bucks, liberal rut hunting....did better than Wyoming region H.

So, not only was Wyoming region H worse than Utah general tags but it was worse than Idaho and Montana.

This is the experience I had in Wyoming. You can pass laws and say you want access over quality. And you will likely get exactly what you want....access....and lower...or little quality. Like you have now.

Utards have great hunting. My boy took his first buck this year. Right behind my home here in St George we can drive up the road and grab a 25" buck off the wheeler. I just went out on the winter range behind town, I just moved here, and it was CRAZY with deer. In one morning I saw over 200 deer and 60 or so were bucks with at least 7 of those being HOGS. This is a general unit in Utah.

You can say your stats are good. But people are experiencing something different. Founder hit it hard and usually comes up with great bucks...he did...but not like years past. He took a 190 4 point....in my opinion his Colorado buck was better this year. The guy posted above said it was tough. Rob Wileys bucks look pretty bad compared to years past. Two other outfitters who usually post bucks up have not posted this last years harvest....I assume because it would look bad on their site.

Regardless, I am putting in this year and drawing a tag for G. Why, because I am afraid it is going to get worse before it gets better. There will come a moment when you are on your knees wishing it was better. I am surprised you arent there yet. I have two weeks to hunt, a wall tent, a wood burning stove, and 4 good horses with 5 buds willing to come spot bucks. We will get our buck. And, that is actually what I am afraid of. You cant afford to lose many more at the rate you are. People are coming to your state. And telling you what it is like for them to hunt. Listen to them...or not.

I have no other interest in game other than making sure we can all hunt big bucks as often as possible. I am in my 40's. If it turns into something I can only get every 10 years I will be heart broken as the high country of Wyoming is breathtaking and the dozen or so Wyoming residents suck my hard earned tax dollars down to maintain their Federal Land since their local tax base would never be able to support their lands. My dollars paying for the land. My tag paying for the management. I think I have payed for the right to have an opinion on Wyoming deer.

You can turn a blind eye ..... but you cant run from the fact your herd is hurting big time.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
It's called winterkill. We got it bad last winter. Lost half our deer.


Where you been?


Whether or not you put in for G doesn't matter to me in the least. Why not bring about 10 guys with you? That way you'll be sure to get one of the last big bucks before they are all gone. You could have guys glassing for you all over the place! Just like home!!

You sound about as caring for our herd as Mr. Wiley.

You guys fighting over the last big buck are beginning to make Tristate look like a genius.

You want us to make it better for you, yet you want to come contribute to the downfall? And don't care what happens after that?? I agree with you that there needs to be some change, but your self-serving attitude pretty well sucks.

The future of hunting is bleak...

On a brighter note...Merry Christmas!!
 
When was the last time it snowed more than 3 inches in st George?

Afton averages 85. They got over 200.

I guess your rosy Utah post didn't include northern utah huh? You know where they bulldozed in food lines up by garden city, and still had massive kills?

Why not limit your quota? Get the tag,throw it away, kill a big deer in st George, let a Wyoming deer live?

Or, draw another region. I realize it would be tough, no scouting report and all, but there's more than one region in Wyoming.





"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
We need a lot more articles like this pushing people to other places besides G. Eastman and others have bragged it up so much for so long that a lot of people think it is the ultimate hunting destination. Now, it takes a long time or a lot of luck to draw a tag.

It takes a lot of luck to find a good buck in general areas in Utah, Idaho, or other states where it is fairly easy to draw a tag. In G it just takes luck to draw a tag and then it just takes a lot of hard work to find a good buck. More hard work every year, I'm afraid.
 
Not one of you guys wants to compare it to a general season unit in Utah huh?

If you have read any of the other posts you would see I spend a lot of time in G in the summer and in the winter. I have actually slept in my truck in winter in LaBarge when it was 20 below. Ya, we didnt do that again.

Listen, Hoss, you post an article saying the deer are down 45% and it is caused by oil and gas and then want to say things are good.

They aint good bro.

I am looking out for deer in Wyoming. You dudes that dont want restrictions on your hunting are looking out for you. Not the deer.

The only reason we have any deer left in Colorado and Utah and the west is restricted hunting. As your hunters approach harvesting more than 30% of the bucks in the unit each year you are going to have to do something.

You decide what to do but I know they wont be reducing us non res hunters any time soon because ol Rob Wiley got their ears.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
.... not going to debate which is better, but just wanted to point out that the deer in western WY did not get close to reaching their potential this year. More energy was put into replenishing their fat reserves, than antler growth. Bucks like the one Brian killed were probably down at least 10" compared to an average year.
 
Must be lonely at the top... #ceoproblems #nooneinvitesthebosstotherealxmasparty #usedunderwearsmellsgreat


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I think we've all heard more than enough of your opinion. You know what would be great? If they cut region G NR tags to zero. ?[font face="verdana" color="green"]
Jake Swensen
 
>I think we've all heard more
>than enough of your opinion.
>You know what would be
>great? If they cut region
>G NR tags to zero.
>?[font face="verdana" color="green"]
> Jake Swensen

As a NR(but not one that hunts) I would find such glee in that.

All of my fellow Tards that yap about AI, Henry's, can let it be shut down a few years( like AI, Henry's) were.

Plus the combined crying of the outfitters, guides, sscouts would be priceless.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
Merry Christmas Asspen adventures! I know the holidays are tough for ya, being all alone and such. Your monstermuley family loves you!

Happy New Year if I dont talk to you before then!

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Look at Awesome just typing away his ADHD nonsense and still able to muster 2 lines. NICE JOB 2 LINE LARRY!

Still no facts huh?

Still no stats huh?

If you guys are tired of it blame 2linelarry. He brought up Utah, how bad the general units are here, utards, all that stuff. He brought it up. Kind of like when Dems bring up Russia then Trump buries them with the Dossier they paid for from Russia. LOL

Ya, I had a rough day out to dinner with friend for Christmas, dealing with the company Christmas party, having a real hard time down here in the beautiful 55 degree weather.

Took my kid to the Stratosphere and went on the rides on top of it. Stopped in at Pawnstars, bought a rare old musket, grabbed a few last fun Christmas presents, rare coins for grandpa....you keep bringing it up and I will keep talking about it. Ya, CEO, dad, friends, ya....pretty rough for me. Come on down, building a new house in a place called Little Valley. My brother lives just down the street, his pool is already in and ready to go, if ya want you can go down his waterslide, he and I were actually calling on a few horse trailers we are buying after Christmas to get a better rig for our trip to G this fall. LOL, awesomeless, if you too get out of the house and off MM once in a while you can get out of your job at the Tasty Freeze and some day you can buy your own car.

Late last night went out and dropped off some presents at some homes of people that dont have family around or one lady who lost her husband a few months ago. Put up her Christmas lights with my brother a few weeks ago. She is doing good but really lonely. We made arrangements for her to spend Chrismas with some neighbors. So, ya, I was busy last night.

Really dont have time to be on here either today. Forgive me if I dont salivate all over the keyboard waiting for a response from your highness sir awesomeless. Or better known as 2 Lines Larry.

So, here in our unit next to our meager homes we have Pine Valley. There were 2 guys on here this last year that posted their bucks. Both went over 200 inches. The unit now takes 2 points to draw but we dont mind as we fill in with other tags that take 0. We also hunt 5 western states over a 2 month time period in the fall. So in the small Pine Valley unit we have great winter range as we dont receive much snow at all. In fact it is so good they added a late season muzzleloader limited entry hunt. I believe the harvest rate was 90% and harvest rate on the General tag was 50%. Considerably more than you will find in a Special Hunt like Region G in Wyoming.

We have limited local tags. But, we have a very healthy deer heard. They just cant come up with enough hunts to get all the bucks down here. This new limited entry muzz hunt is awesome. Thanks for asking about the General Hunts here in Utah.

If you need another example you could look at other general tags here in Utah like Panguitch, Monroe, Zion, Stansbury, then there are the limited entry hunts like Filmore Oakcreek that pump out 200" bucks. Oh, but up in Wyoming you do have unit 102 right? Ya have fun with your LIMITED ENTRY tag for a 23" 4 point.

If you dont want my opinion....dont spout off yours and assume no one else has the right. And, if you are going to have one. Try to have more than 2 lines of mumbo jumbo personal attacks. Try including stats, try including facts, try formulating complete sentences.

Oh, ya, if ya want to have a great Christmas, I will be skiing in SLC this next week. Send me a PM and we can hook up if Two Pump Corner Mart gives ya a day off...thanks again 2linelarry.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
Northern utah got slammed. Quality on the WF was a little down there were a handful of decent bucks that made it. So next year depending on the weather we could have a good crop. Wyoming def. seemed down this year as well. Let's just hope for a somewhat mild winter this year. I think both states will recover. Aspen one thing I will say I'm not proud of 60+% success rates on alot of utah's units. Because you and I know what the bulk of the 60% looks like as far as quality of bucks. I hope one day the majority decide being a backcountry hunter isn't that cool. Merry christmas folks and let's pray to the mule deer gods for an easy winter.

"We don't have a gun problem we have prescription drug problem."
 
As a former Wyoming resident for 13 years (1992-2005) your comment is about the dumbest thing I've ever read on Monstermuleys. I hunted region G and H hard each of those 13 years with my own horses and a mule. Sometimes the mule acted as if she was from Utah but that's another story.

The fact is annually about 80% of the WGFD budget is derived from the sale of non resident tags and licenses. Cut out a large portion of non resident tags and licenses and the WGFD could not even afford to employ people to manage your game that you love to hunt. Not my opinion - just a fact. What do you think would happen to the price of your license and deer tag? It would skyrocket and price many of you guys right out of the market just like they did to me this year despite having 16 non resident moose points.

Fact is, no one single thing is responsible for the severe downturn in the mule deer hunting in Western Wyoming. I saw this train wreck coming in the 1990"s. The main factors are high density gas drilling as close as one pad per 40 acres right smack dab in the middle of mule critical winter range, increased residential building in mule deer winter range from Alpine Junction to Kemmerer, too many OTC tags in G and H, and finally the expected severe winter that comes about once every 20 - 40 years, i.e. 2016. Mule deer can recover from severe winters -IF THEY HAVE HIGH QUALITY HABITAT WITH GRASSES, SHRUBS, AND FORBS IN CRITICAL WINTER RANGE. But they do not have that compared to the 1970's and 1980's.

With the current tag allocations and severely degraded mule deer critical winter range negatively affecting fawn mortality both the quantity and quality of mule deer in western Wyoming isn't coming back anytime soon. That's one reason my wife and I decided to draw our mule deer tags at 7 points a few years ago and will never return or be held hostage to the WGFD non resident preference point shell game. One only needs to look at Colorado and the improvement in overall quality and quantity of mule deer after limited quota tags were instituted.

As a resident hunter I hope you enjoy what is left of your deer hunting in western Wyoming
 
The fact is annually about 80% of the WGFD budget is derived from the sale of non resident tags and licenses

Not even close to true and far from a fact.

carry on...
 
I posted the question last year asking if I looked at 500 bucks in general season Utah, would I have seen a 190 incher?
I enjoy my time in Wyoming, but I'd say if I put in the same time in a general area of my choice here in Utah, I'd probably find as good a buck here as there. BUT, I think I'd find more bigger bucks up there. And more bucks period. That's probably why I like going up there.
The hunting in western Wyoming is pretty good. I can't complain. Last year was tough on antler growth, but I don't believe the winter kill of mature deer was what people were saying.
I don't even think it's necessary to cut tags much if any. I don't think bucks are being shot out and hunters aren't the factor facing overall herd quantity. I don't think taking 200 non-resident tags was necessary. Hunters are however affecting quality a bit. I think there are getting to be more resident hunters who are getting after it harder. I also think as non-resident tags take longer to draw, non-residents are getting after it harder. Plus outfitters are getting after it harder in order to stay in business. They need to be killing big stuff, cause people who apply for 6 years to get a tag aren't interested in 20 inch 4x4?s. And of course, my scouting and sharing is a small impact.
Long range rifles and all the other technology makes killing big bucks a little easier too.
The biggest affect up there in my opinion is a 3 week hunt. Bucks can only hide so long. Asking them to escape a bullet for 3 weeks with all the increasing advantages we have, is asking too much.
I'll keep hunting western Wyoming as long as I can. Heck, I might be done already if I can't find someone to share points with in exchange for intell.
Not sure I'd ever move up there in order to get a resident tag. My guess is, they'll have to limit tags at some point if they want to keep that 3 weeks of rifle hunting and maintain quality. Something has to give at some point.

Brian Latturner
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Buzz - request the budget info from the WGFD. iT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION IF YOU DESIRE TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. Once you have this info will you be willing to post it on Monstermuleys?

If you don't believe the vast majority of income to the WGFD is from the sale of non resident licenses and tags then provide verifiable evidence to the contrary.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-24-17 AT 08:00PM (MST)[p]>Buzz - request the budget info
>from the WGFD. iT'S
>PUBLIC INFORMATION IF YOU DESIRE
>TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. Once
>you have this info will
>you be willing to post
>it on Monstermuleys?
>
>If you don't believe the vast
>majority of income to the
>WGFD is from the sale
>of non resident licenses and
>tags then provide verifiable evidence
>to the contrary.

You dont have to request the info. It is all online. Do a google search and inform yourself instead of posting fake statistics.

Here's a link:

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/InterimCommittee/2015/06WGFDFundingPresentation.pdf

Maybe you're getting confused since 80% of the total budget is from license sales? That includes both ressy and non...

I'm sure there's a CEO out there somewhere wishing I would spoon feed him but I just don't feel like it.







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Founder, great comment.

Star Valley is what got me hungry for mule deer hunting. The terrain is tough to find anywhere else. I hope you guys get it right because I do love the area.

Merry Christmas guys!

This is all for me on this post...

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
Rambopup4,

No need to get all upset, you're just wrong, it happens.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/content/PDF/About Us/Commission/WGFD_ANNUALREPORT_2016.pdf

The annual GF budget is about 76 million, less than half of the revenue is from license sales (total between R and NR) and is about 30 million annually.

Preference points and conservation stamp make up about 8 millionish IIRC, I haven't looked at the report lately.

So, all those sales combined is about 50% of the annual revenue.

Not sure where you come up with NR's fund 80% of the GF annual budget, buts its not true...I posted a link to the facts.

I accept your apology for being wrong, Merry Christmas.
 
Buzz,
Just look at a few examples of licenses sold from the latest data available (2015)

Antelope - resident - sold 23,727 x $33 = $782,291
non resident - sold 24,725 x $272 = $6,725,200

Sheep - resident - sold 140 x $117 = $16,380
nonresident - sold 48 x $2252 = $108,096

Deer - resident - sold 41,435 x $38 = $1,574,530
nonresident - sold 19,362 x $312 = $6,040,944

Elk - resident - sold 37,260 x $52 = $1,937,520
nonresident - sold 5,678 x $577 = $3,276,206

Comparing the percentage of income produced from license sales resident versus nonresident:

Antelope - 11% resident, 89% nonresident
Sheep - 15% resident, 85% non resident
Deer - 26% resident, 74% nonresident
Elk - 59% resident, 41% nonresident

While I have the 80% of total budget wrong clearly the percent of income received from the sale of nonresident licenses in Wyoming greatly exceeds that of resident licenses! That is why the Wyoming resident hunters who post that Wyoming should just do away with the sale of nonresident deer licenses have no clue as to what their talking about!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-25-17 AT 09:46AM (MST)[p]Wow Aspen!

You really like yourself!!

Who pats you on the back when your arm gets tired?

You are (dare I say it?)...AWESOME!!!!!!!!!


Sorry guys....couldn't help myself...



Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-25-17 AT 09:53AM (MST)[p]Read the report . The numbers are public knowledge. It's right there in black and white.
Which residents want to do away with NR licenses?
Don't lump me into that general statement.
 
>Buzz,
>Just look at a few examples
>of licenses sold from the
>latest data available (2015)
>
>Antelope - resident - sold 23,727
>x $33 = $782,291
>
>
>non resident - sold 24,725
>x $272 = $6,725,200
>
>Sheep - resident - sold 140
>x $117 = $16,380
>
> nonresident - sold
>48 x $2252 = $108,096
>
>
>Deer - resident - sold 41,435
>x $38 = $1,574,530
>
> nonresident - sold 19,362
>x $312 = $6,040,944
>
>Elk - resident - sold 37,260
>x $52 = $1,937,520
>
>nonresident - sold 5,678 x
>$577 = $3,276,206
>
>Comparing the percentage of income produced
>from license sales resident versus
>nonresident:
>
>Antelope - 11% resident, 89% nonresident
>
>Sheep - 15% resident, 85% non
>resident
>Deer - 26% resident, 74% nonresident
>
>Elk - 59% resident, 41% nonresident
>
>
>While I have the 80% of
>total budget wrong clearly the
>percent of income received from
>the sale of nonresident licenses
>in Wyoming greatly exceeds that
>of resident licenses! That
>is why the Wyoming resident
>hunters who post that Wyoming
>should just do away with
>the sale of nonresident deer
>licenses have no clue as
>to what their talking about!
>

rambo:

I think you should recheck your percent income from residents vs. nonresidents, especially with elk. With the numbers you provided there is no way income from residents was 59% of the total elk license income.

ClearCreek
 
Nontypical, perhaps I am slow, but just in case you are crazy, please explain how my above statement "pats" myself on the back.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
Clear Creek - that may be. But the point is the % of income the WGFD obtains from the sale of nonresident licenses far exceeds that of resident licenses. And I did not even include the data for bison, moose, special license, and preference points. The total for preference points alone is in excess of seven million dollars! and we both know the bulk of that is from nonresidents.
 
Rambo has proven the numbers were bigger than others were saying. And NR elk is a significant number. The point is...a huge percentage of their annual budget is funded by NR tags.

Not to mention NR pay to manage their forests and BLM lands.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-17 AT 05:57AM (MST)[p]
Aspen,



Apples and oranges when comparing wintering bucks in one area to mid October hunting condition bucks in another. I'm sure most guys could see plenty of nice bucks right now out on the Wyoming winter range. Try going 5 or 6 miles deep into the Pine Valley Wilderness in mid October and see if you can turn up 60 bucks in a short time.

Get ready for change because it's going to happen!
 
I have worked in the oil field and methane fields. After drilling we have so much extra water that they used to grow grass and alfalfa hay and boy did it bring in the mulies to snack on. the grouse came in like crazy that were harldy in the area before then they want to turn around and say we are affecting the grouse. during the winter the elk and deer lay on top of the buried pipeline to get warmth. Working in the oil field for the last few years its unreal the number of elk and deer that come in the area. I love it. get to watch some monster bucks and bulls at work.
 
nfh - here we go again! Another oil patch know it all claiming what is best for wildlife! Sounds like you need to get a job as a Wildlife Biologist!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-17 AT 06:33PM (MST)[p]Well why not come up to these oil fields and see for yourself.

Im stating how we use our excess water and what we see in the feild..

We also got griz and wolves that hang around.
 
How many of your fellow oil field workers have been busted for poaching? More importantly how many haven't been busted yet?
Why not replant what you destroyed back to Sage brush not grass and hay. Sage grouse are called sage grouse not grass grouse or hay grouse. Their diet consists of almost 100% Sage brush not grass.
You guys have some nice battering rams for bumpers, don't want to hurt them nice trucks when your mowing down deer on the highways 24/7 365.
 
Hey huffy?

How much money should be wasted on Sage Chickens?










It Won't Be Long and a 22" PISSCUTTER will be known as a Trophy that will be put on the Wall!




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When the sage grouse goes away antelope aren't far behind. When the antelope are gone muleys are next.
You tell me elkass, how much should be wasted?
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-17 AT 06:43AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-17 AT 06:32?AM (MST)

Wow we kill deer with our trucks and once again false information.
Sounds like you need a tampon and some midol As I said before let's go a field trip. And please show me where sage brush is struggling. Also sage grouse eat bugs/leaves and seeds.

While we are at it maybe hunters shouldn't set up camp, maybe tell the forest service to get rid of backcountry buildings. Maybe we should all stop driving so we don't hit a rabbit. Singling out the oil field is non sense.

And calling oil field workers poachers is funny. No one in the field can carry a gun in the fields I have been in. So sounds like your info is bull crap.
 
>
>Hey huffy?
>
>How much money should be wasted
>on Sage Chickens?
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>It Won't Be Long and a
>22" PISSCUTTER will be known
>as a Trophy that will
>be put on the Wall!
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What do you think happens when those grouse hit the ESA?

Ask those loggers up in the Pacific how McDonalds pays after the Spotted Owl hit ESA.

How does S.Utah like the tortoise? Or all the copper bullets needed for the Condor areas?

Sage Grouse hits the ESA, every Prius driver in America shows up to close Utah and Wyoming drilling.

Which means None of us, that don't own Fashion Exchanges, can afford the gas to drive to G to hunt.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-28-17 AT 07:47AM (MST)[p]There you go Elk...You solved the problem..HEHEHE

Now I can get back to making my magpie trap....
 
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ng-a-killing-in-Wests-oil-and-gas-fields.html

If you don't think those trucks hauling oil and gas with battering rams for bumpers aren't killing deer on the highways then you're a moron.

No one is singling out the oil fields. The oil fields are just one of many factors leading to the decline of mule deer and If you say it's not then you're dumber then you sound.

Please tell us how all those new oil roads cross crossing everywhere are having a positive effect on mule deer.
 
>https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ng-a-killing-in-Wests-oil-and-gas-fields.html
>
>If you don't think those trucks
>hauling oil and gas with
>battering rams for bumpers aren't
>killing deer on the highways
>then you're a moron.
>
>No one is singling out the
>oil fields. The oil fields
>are just one of many
>factors leading to the decline
>of mule deer and If
>you say it's not then
>you're dumber then you sound.
>
>
>Please tell us how all those
>new oil roads cross crossing
>everywhere are having a positive
>effect on mule deer.


Getting news from usa today is not a source. They tell people what they want to hear to panic. kinda like matt lauer trashing bill oreilly then turns around is fired for same crap.
I agree we have several roads but we have a very slow speed limit in place. Where I work only a very small handful of deer get hit. more people come to work how they hit a deer in their personal rig. Last 7 years I have hit one deer in the work truck. That was outside of cody and I wasn't even going to the oil patch that day. But if you want to talk about to many roads how about the bighorn mountains having roads everywhere. That's one reason why I wont hunt there. It just isn't for me.

and once again I personally invite you to come on a drive with me to see how we treat wildlife in the field. We have deer and elk drop antlers in the field. We are not even allowed to pick antlers up on company time. Heck I even hunt antelope in the oil fields.

These fields where I work been in place since the early 1940's. I use to be the guy like you that didn't agree with it. But once I saw for my own eyes my mind changed very quickly. A guy can argue all day whats right and wrong. Heck we built towns where deer live but it is what it is.

our bigger threat in Wyoming is the WYOGA right now.
 
>http://trib.com/news/poaching-in-the-oil-patch/article_efd288b6-a1ed-5bd9-9a11-e29d64419184.html
>
>You sold me.
>
>the answer to western wyomings mule
>deer crisis is more oil
>and gas rigs, more oil
>roads, more vehicle traffic, more
>oil rig poachers, more semis
>on the highway hauling oil,
>less sage brush and more
>grass and hay. That right
>there is a winning combination.
>

But saying oil rig poachers are poaching is non-sense. A poacher could be anyone that comes out at night to spotlight(could be a lawyer,cop,you,me or any person)Poaching is a issue no matter where you go. Those who get caught I feel like they get a small slap on the hand. The deer are around the oil field. I have ran into one dead antelope that had a arrow in the butt. Assuming someone shot it and could never find it. We called the game and fish and they came out and never heard what the end report was.
 
It never ceases to amaze me.

The number of people that protest something, yet benefit from it all the while. There's a word for that.

Enemies make strange bedfellows....


BTW, I never took philosophy 101...
 
>I think we've all heard more
>than enough of your opinion.
>You know what would be
>great? If they cut region
>G NR tags to zero.
>?[font face="verdana" color="green"]
> Jake Swensen

Would you have said that years ago when you lived in Utah Jake?
 
>>I think we've all heard more
>>than enough of your opinion.
>>You know what would be
>>great? If they cut region
>>G NR tags to zero.
>>?[font face="verdana" color="green"]
>> Jake Swensen
>
>Would you have said that years
>ago when you lived in
>Utah Jake?

Actually Jake is a wyo boy now. We have adopted him. Still a little bit of utard to beat out of him. I bet he misses utah....hahahahaha
《《《《《《AWESOME》》》》》》
 
>Actually Jake is a wyo boy
>now. We have adopted
>him. Still a little
>bit of utard to beat
>out of him. I
>bet he misses utah....hahahahaha
>《《《《《《AWESOME》》》》》》

That's "Awesome"......I Guess. Funny how all the "Utards" that move to Wyoming are now "Utard Haters".

The fact is there are more Outdoorsman in Utah than the total population of people in Wyoming. So can you really blame people in Utah for wanting to enjoying Wyoming, Idaho, and Nevada? It's not our fault that so many other Utahns flock to other states. We all enjoy hunting and we go where our best chance at harvesting a big buck is. We pay for it in tons of application fees and tag fees each year. We just want to hunt big bucks like everyone else, is that really a huge problem? There's bad apples in every state, but most guys are pretty dang respectful and cool. This "Utard" thing is just stupid. But if it makes guys feel better to blame everyone else for their state's management, so be it.
 
>That's "Awesome"......I Guess. Funny how all
>the "Utards" that move to
>Wyoming are now "Utard Haters".
>
>
>The fact is there are more
>Outdoorsman in Utah than the
>total population of people in
>Wyoming. So can you really
>blame people in Utah for
>wanting to enjoying Wyoming, Idaho,
>and Nevada? It's not our
>fault that so many other
>Utahns flock to other states.
>We all enjoy hunting and
>we go where our best
>chance at harvesting a big
>buck is. We pay for
>it in tons of application
>fees and tag fees each
>year. We just want to
>hunt big bucks like everyone
>else, is that really a
>huge problem? There's bad apples
>in every state, but most
>guys are pretty dang respectful
>and cool. This "Utard" thing
>is just stupid. But if
>it makes guys feel better
>to blame everyone else for
>their state's management, so be
>it.

+1

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
As a lifelong Utard, do you blame those guys?

Its not that regular dudes show up and hunt. They get pissed about the dudes that live here, where a private interest group runs things, then decide to spend time telling them how things should be.

I take offense when Texas dudes come in and tell us. Their management style is a joke. But to the non sell out states(WYOGA is working on it), ours is a joke.

Seems all of us want to go there, they must have done something right. Its simple manners, when your a guest you be respectful. Because at the end of the day, they don't need us.

I remember when Cali guts used to invade here, most were ok guys, but there were always those few, who couldn't shut up.


"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 05:47PM (MST)[p]?+1? says the poster boy for why Utards are so disliked.

Hey ASSpen, tell us again how rad you are and how much you hunt and scout.
I'm specifically interested in how long you've been hunting Idaho. Seems you're spinning a couple different tales.

If Wyoming is worse than Utah why are you tired of hunting Utah?

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID37/2981.html
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 06:07PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-18 AT 06:05?PM (MST)

The utard thing is stupid. My dad had his trailer vandalized on a Wyoming hunt one time because it had a Utah plate on it. I have met some awesome people in Wyoming, (grosventrehunter just to name 1). I refuse to judge Wyoming people off of many of the people I have seen while driving across your state. If I did I would think you are all obese, have about 7 teeth in your head, covered by tattoos drawn by a 3 year old, smoking e-cigs, and are vandalizing cowards with an IQ of 70. However, I won't judge you when I don't even know you.
 
+2 Also i free ball it now for my dislike of Asspenadventures

HJB isnt it getting that time of year to complain about wyoming shed laws? Did you see the set jake picked up last spring? Oh yeah baby! Us residents got the advantage now!

《《《《《《AWESOME》》》》》》
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 04:41AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18 AT 04:39?AM (MST)

>Would you have said that years ago when you lived in Utah Jake?

? This site is fun but nothing posted here is of much importance. The MM vote isn't going to hold any water.
If you didn't catch my sarcasm, I'm not sorry.
If you want to make a difference, be active in your states wildlfe management. Write your legislators on issues concerning wildlife and vote accordingly.

Edited... because I want to thank all of the Sportsmen and women from Utah for setting aside a lot of great tags for me to apply for at the Expo in Febuary. I think it's my year for a Henry's deer tag.? I'll be there on the 8th.??

P.S. 《Awesome》 and Aspen are you two possibly related?
P.P.S. Aspen maybe you can get one of the Outfitter Welfare Tags if the Wyoming Outfitters and Guides Association gets their way. (I hope they don't.)
[font face="verdana" color="green"]
Jake Swensen
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 04:41?AM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 04:39?AM (MST)
>
>>Would you have said that years ago when you lived in Utah Jake?
>
>? This site is fun but
>nothing posted here is of
>much importance. The MM vote
>isn't going to hold any
>water.
>If you didn't catch my sarcasm,
>I'm not sorry.
>If you want to make a
>difference, be active in your
>states wildlfe management. Write your
>legislators on issues concerning wildlife
>and vote accordingly.
>
>Edited... because I want to thank
>all of the Sportsmen and
>women from Utah for setting
>aside a lot of great
>tags for me to apply
>for at the Expo in
>Febuary. I think it's my
>year for a Henry's deer
>tag.? I'll be there on
>the 8th.??
>
>P.S. 《Awesome》 and Aspen are you
>two possibly related?
>P.P.S. Aspen maybe you can get
>one of the Outfitter Welfare
>Tags if the Wyoming Outfitters
>and Guides Association gets their
>way. (I hope they don't.)
>
>[font face="verdana" color="green"]
> Jake Swensen

See ya guys in September. With my rifle.


"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
 
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 04:41?AM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-18
>AT 04:39?AM (MST)
>
>>Would you have said that years ago when you lived in Utah Jake?
>
>? This site is fun but
>nothing posted here is of
>much importance. The MM vote
>isn't going to hold any
>water.
>If you didn't catch my sarcasm,
>I'm not sorry.
>If you want to make a
>difference, be active in your
>states wildlfe management. Write your
>legislators on issues concerning wildlife
>and vote accordingly.
>
>Edited... because I want to thank
>all of the Sportsmen and
>women from Utah for setting
>aside a lot of great
>tags for me to apply
>for at the Expo in
>Febuary. I think it's my
>year for a Henry's deer
>tag.? I'll be there on
>the 8th.??
>
>P.S. 《Awesome》 and Aspen are you
>two possibly related?
>P.P.S. Aspen maybe you can get
>one of the Outfitter Welfare
>Tags if the Wyoming Outfitters
>and Guides Association gets their
>way. (I hope they don't.)
>
>[font face="verdana" color="green"]
> Jake Swensen


See. MANNERS. A simple thank you for us screwing ourselves.

But sir, you are incorrect. My sister married one of those Wyoming dudes, moved there and threw 3 girls. THEY ARE SOME OF "YOU PEOPLE" NOW.

You can't simply move to Oakland and wear Broncos gear.

On behalf of Utah. Your welcome for giving $fw welfare that could benefit you.

Curious though. When I head north I grab me some lotto, beer. What do YOU PEOPLE buy here?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
 
You people? ?
Thank you. I buy fuel and visit Utah restaurants often as my wife still has a bunch of family down in the smog.
I'm hoping to be hunting as a nonresident in Utah in the near future. I love the mountains but the population explosions is crazy. I think as a NR I can hunt mule deer in Utah every year.
[font face="verdana" color="green"]
Jake Swensen
 
>
>See ya guys in September.
>With my rifle.
>
>



Yea sure we will. Liar

Just because you got exposed as a lying fraud doesn't mean you have to go away. I'd love to hear more tales of your hunting adventures and all the places you hunt.
 

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