Oh no. Pine Valley!!!

Stubaby · Jun 27, 2018

Here?s the view looking west from I-15 just south of New Harmony. Just a matter of time.

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hornkiller · Jun 27, 2018

Gonna burn alot and have alot of pissed off hunters! The next 5 years draw odds are gonna get worse to!

dirtclod Az. · Jun 27, 2018

NOT PINE Valley AZ!!!

BIGJOHNT · Jun 27, 2018

Time to turn in your deer tags. The news is saying over 100 acres? Looking at that smoke it's much bigger. What are u doing down here again Stu ?

BIGJOHNT · Jun 27, 2018

This is a picture at 4:30 from St. George. http://www.monstermuleys.info/photos/user_photos_2018/960429a72a38aca2642faa292b253589c4486.jpeg

ridgetops · Jun 27, 2018

Yup, time to turn in the tags.
(Get ready for change because it's going to happen!)

fullthrottle · Jun 27, 2018

Again, Judas. How did this one start?

Smacked · Jun 27, 2018

No even on Inciweb site yet..
Smacked

littlebighorn · Jun 27, 2018

Somebody crashed his drone from the last fire and started another!

ICMDEER · Jun 28, 2018

I used to think fires were good, but things have sure changed. I just hope it is not the kind of country that turns to cheatgrass and nothing else. Looks big and pretty hot. Ad like tough country to get in there and knock it down.

3blade · Jun 28, 2018

LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-18 AT 04:07PM (MST)[p]20 to 30 mph winds today. smokes so bad I can smell it inside my house 50 miles to the north. 2000 acres burned this morning and with this wind, it wouldn't surprise me if it doubles in size by days end.

theox · Jul 2, 2018

>I used to think fires were
>good, but things have sure
>changed. I just hope
>it is not the kind
>of country that turns to
>cheatgrass and nothing else.
>Looks big and pretty hot.
> Ad like tough country
>to get in there and
>knock it down.

Fires are good. Don?t be fooled. Yes some are becoming bad because they are suppressing fires to much now. But the majority of fires are really good. Even cheatgrass growing is often better than millions of junipers and sage because cheatgrass is a actually a decent feed for a couple months in early spring. Ya once it grows awns and turns brown it's not good but other stuff does grow in it.

chukarman · Jul 9, 2018

Good morning- I was reading your post on the Pine Valley fire and found it interesting. I agree with you on juniper removal but when it comes to cheat grass and sage removal its hard to see where its beneficial. Sage brush provides thermal cover and crude protein during the winter/tough months in addition to being available above snow levels. Cheat grass provides a couple weeks worth of marginal forage through out the year, zero thermal cover, thrives in fire ecosystem, creates amazing fuel for future fires, creates a root mat that is nearly in-penetrable for other forbs/plant seed to get through to take root. We have oceans of cheat grass here from the fires with very very little diversity in plant life.

Not sure where you live but I'm from Northern Nevada, my question is based possibly on a different living location if you see that much more benefit just curious as to weather, precipitation altitude etc maybe having a large benefit?

ICMDEER · Jul 9, 2018

I was going to mention Elko County in particular and Nevada in general for examples as to why fires are often disastrous. That country NW of Elko used to be full of good brush, such as sagebrush, bitterbrush, mahogany and now it is solid cheatgrass.

It's a great example of an ecosystem species shift that's terrible news for wildlife in general and mule deer and sage grouse in particular. And that's why the Nevada DOW has had depredation hunts to reduce mule deer numbers in that area; less habitat and in particular winter range as you mentioned.

I do agree that there are too many PJ areas with too many trees. But fires in all situations are not good.

elkfromabove · Jul 11, 2018

It's called cheatgrass for a reason (actually numerous reasons) and these fires become a key ingredient to it's cheating life cycle and growing invasion. And once it's established, it's nearly impossible to get rid of. It's true that in the past, natural (or Native American started) fires were usually good for the overall health of the habitat, but that's not necessarily the case now. We can't afford them in more ways than one, so be careful with campfires, cigarettes, dragging chains, certain types of ammo, hot exhaust pipes, etc.