No guns, bugles, atv's?

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Huntsalone

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What do you think. What is it worth to you? I would love to see everyone stop bugling if you don't know when to use it or how to use it sparingly so the elk would actually bugle normally no matter where you hunt. How many people wouldn't be out there if you had to bow hunt only, and had to actually use your legs to hunt. Who thinks the quality of hunting would greatly improve? Hopefully everyone! And WOW, I can't reinforce this enough, but a big bull is a GREAT bonus to a hunt. But please tell me there is someone out there besides me who thinks any animal is a trophy and deserves a lot more respect than they usually get these days. Hunting to me is a spiritual thing. So many people don't seem to understand the meaning "to hunt" something anymore! Personally, I don't really like or appreciate hearing atv's from great distances when hunting. It is getting harder and harder to get into wilderness without feeling that you are only a few steps away from the city. I think it would be cool if certain units or whole states outlawed guns and muzzles every few years at least and alternated(gun years including bows) to be fare. I don't know, just trying my best to express my feelings on hunting these days as respectfully as possible. Commercialization has taken the respect and true meaning or experience out of hunting O.K. Ream me, or agree with me. All you bowhunters who understand and respect the sport/"experience" and animal like I do and wish things were at least closer to the way they were back in the day support me on this on! Thanks everyone for listening!

Huntsalone (for meat/will except horns as an added benefit)
 
I guess compound bows are out the window as are carbon arrows, all that neat camo with scent lock you wear, thats gone too. Those $150 boots you have on, get some moccasins to replace those with. Oh and that pick-up and camper you use at the camp site, goners. The binos you use to locate game, thats a no-no now. Go ahead and carve your bow and arrows out of a willow limb and get the cat gut for a string, get rid of all you modern day conviences then come back and talk to us. Hunting is what it is and it is where it is today because of the advances we have made, love it or leave it.

Mike
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-28-03 AT 09:37PM (MST)[p]Advances to a point are great. However, I enjoy hunting for the hunt, not the thrill of the kill. If that was all it was about to me, then man, I would not be getting my kicks! That's why they call it hunting, right?

Dakota, I do not think he is trying to bash common items used in the hunting process that do not effect the quality or meaningfulness of the hunt. When you are using your ATV, fine, but do it legally, and have respect for others, that is all that I care about. If you happen to shoot a deer while on a mid afternoon drive, ok, but do not drive into the woods and set up shop next to others who worked their bung holes off trying to find a spot of seclusion. I to like huntsalone enjoy being able to hear the sounds of nature over the sounds of a small (or large) city, or convey of vehicle, while hunting. If I did not want to get off my a$$, and was to lazy to ?hunt? then I would play hunting games all day, that way I would not have to get out of my chair.

I think for a new guy to the site he got his point across respectfully and very well. It is a shame people have to jump down someone for their opinions instead of using constructive criticism as a more mature come back. Dakota, I thought judging by or antelope debate you were not one to pick fights, and that you could disagree without stirring up controversy.

As fare as the bad buglers go, practice is who you get good, that what I thought anyway. How else to you get good but to suck at first, right?

Michael

I forgot guns ar OK to, nothing wrong with a quick bang in the woods.
 
Michael,

Read his post again, he is talking about shuting down rifle seasons and muzz seasons in states so that a purist such as he claims to be can pursue game the way he thinks its meant to be pursued. Obviously what he thinks and what I think differ. He made no mention that the ATV he heard was being illegally used, just the fact that he heard one. And just like you mentioned, some guys arent good at bugleing right off the bat. If he wants solitude in the woods while hunting then maybe he needs to buy some land, lease some private land or go deeper in the woods, if he is hunting public land that I pay taxes to support then put up with the same crowds I put up with. Sorry if it sounded like I was jumping down his throat but he is talking about some radical and controversial changes, something I wouldnt do on my first or second post to a forum that I was new to.

Mike
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How much better would hunting be if everyone else would either not hunt, or hunt "my way"??????????????


It would be alot better.........for me!

While I am at it, I would also appreciate it if everyone would become Bengal fans - I feel like I'm all alone here.
 
That is kind of bogus about closing rifle and muzz seasons, because in what state is rifle season open during archery anyway? But hey, everyone has a right to an opinion.
Michael
 
I'll only comment on the bugling. In certain areas around here the bulls will only bugle at night or early morning well before daylight. A lot of this is due to guys driving the roads and poorly bugling their guts out a month before they should. These bulls have become accustomed to changing their habits and become more active at night tnan they have been in the past. I dont think anyone should be banned (you couldnt anyway)from bugling but I have seen the impact of over doing it. Huh?
Eric

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Hey "Huntsalone",

Why stop at rifles, bugles, and ATVs? I say we also take everybody's income, pool it together, and then redistribute evenly. That way, we are all equal in more ways than just in the woods.

Lets work to create equality - in everything. No one person is allowed to run faster than others. On the same token, the slowest among us will be taken aside and shot - that way we can help clean the gene pool.

Very beautiful models will be forced to have plastic surgery to widen their hips, and fatten their thighs, in addition be given an extra chin. The very homely and ugly will be executed at the very first opportunity, assuring that the ugly gene is taken out.

We will model ourselves after "Huntsalone". Whatever position in life he has, we all can't be higher or lower. Whatever his spouse or significant other looks like, will be the standard for our spouses. However many children he has will be the standard and limit for us as well. Why stop with just "hunting" his way - I say we live his way.

Obviously I'm just having some fun with you. However, remember though some of those things may bother you and frustrate you as a hunter, in the eyes of another - they are having the time of their lives and it is all legal and ethical. There are restrictions for ATVs already, if you see illegal activity - report it. Just work to either get away from the crowds, or as Mike said - buy some private land or lease it.

Good Luck.
 
Huntsalone, I think you need a good dose of the "East Coast" to make you realize that it surely could be awhole lot worse!! I've hunted both Idaho and New Mexico and believe me compared to the east ya'll got it pretty spaceous and quiet!! Where ever I hunt in my home state I hear cars,trucks,planes and people ALL THE TIME!!!! Hopefully, you can locate an area where you can hunt w/o intrusion, if not, come on back east for a real "dose of reality" :7
 
I dont think hes saying close down the forests, he saying set aside a few areas as primitive areas. Right now you either have the choice of hunting with all the ATVs or going to wilderness areas where its a rifle hunt during the rut.

If a state like idaho or montana took a few small areas and made them primitive only zones, kind of like the canada bowzone, i think that would be pretty cool.

DakotaKid, you strike me as one of those types that would pull up beside my family in a camping area and run a generator all night, screw everybody else, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. This is not the first time ive heard you spew rhetoric. This country is a democracy, and people with ideas create change, which sometimes makes things better. People like you who say love it or leave it can kiss my ass.
 
RD,

Maybe you ought to spend a little time reading what the others have posted about this message, seems as though I am not the only one who feels "huntsalone" is a little out in left field on this one. Anytime I hear the words "outlawed" , "banned" and "guns" mentioned in the same context especially intermixed with hunting you damn right its going to raise my hackle up a notch! I have the utmost respect for others, in fact if I am out hunting and happen to run into another hunter in a place I was going to hunt, I LEAVE. I figure its first come first serve and he/she beat me to the punch. Im not spewing rhetoric and I cant help it people like you are too thin skinned to read an objective post and not take offense to it. Nothing I said was directed at you or about you, the guy put up a question and ended his statement with "go ahead and ream me" so I did. Maybe while I am kissing your ass you would like a plate of crow pie?

I also think I may know why this guys handle is "huntsalone".

Mike
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DK, I know the post wasnt directed at me, but since i tire of people like you and quail runner painting anyone with a new management idea as a communist who should love it or leave it, move out of MY COUNTRY, go to china, etc. i felt the need to jump in.

Here is the most telling clip from Huntsalone's post.

"I think it would be cool if certain units or whole states outlawed guns and muzzles every few years at least and alternated(gun years including bows) to be fare. I don't know, just trying my best to express my feelings on hunting these days as respectfully as possible."

He is not advocating banning anything, and he definitely didnt deserve accusations of being a communist. He is talking about creating "certain units", or primitive zones. Open your eyes and your ears. Its not that bad an idea, and you jumped on it with your love it as is or move to communist china BS. The first people to propose big game seasons were also called communists by people like yourselves. These people are the reason why ranchers cant gun down elk with maching guns anymore like they are rodents. People like you will always use rhetoric and slogans to build on fear of any change will lead to a total ban. Maybe you should read the words on either side of the word ban in Huntsalone's post.
 
DakotaKid, i forgot to add that you keep telling me and Martinhunter to go back and read the post. I went back and read every post, and you seem to be the only one on here without comprehension of what he said. Even Quailrunner understod and was mostly being funny. How old are you?
 
RD,

Wow and you have the nerve to say I paint with a broad brush? Absolutely nowhere in any of my posts did I mention communism nor did I mention ANY kind of politcal affiliation.

Here is some of you broad brush painting:

"people like you and quail runner painting anyone with a new management idea as a communist"

I didnt ever call anyone a communist.

"move out of MY COUNTRY, go to china"

I never suggested he move out of the country.


"He is not advocating banning anything, and he definitely didnt deserve accusations of being a communist"

He is too advocating something, he is advocating shutting down certain units or ENTIRE STATES, didnt you read that? Oh and by the way, I still dont recall saying he was a communist.

"People like you will always use rhetoric and slogans to build on fear of any change will lead to a total ban."

Once again, saying "people like you" is painting with an awfully broad brush.



"you jumped on it with your love it as is or move to communist china BS"

I still dont remember that?

I dont know how it is where you hunt at (or huntsalone for that matter) but here in Wyoming there are a few primitive only units, one is a muzz only antelope unit and there are a couple of bow zones as well. In the areas where modern weapons are allowed bow season opens up way before rifle season does. This gives the bow guys a chance to get out in the woods first before the animals are gun/peole shy for the season, also allows the bow guy to be fully camo'd and not wear any orange. This season in most areas opens up on the 1st of Sept. and rifle season doesnt open for about 4 to 6 weeks later. How much more time does a bow guy want or need?

RD, I dont think I have ever had an exchange of words with you positive or negative before on this forum. It appears that you have had run ins with quail runner, another person I dont think I have ever had an exchange with and I get landbasted by you for being rhetorical. Huntsalone ASKED for feedback and fully expected to get reamed, I gave him feedback and really dont think I reamed him and certainly didnt call him a communist or any other politcal intonations. All I did was simlpy state that if you are going to claim to be a purist then walk the walk, get rid of all of todays modern convieniences and technologies. If you arent going to do that then dont ask me to set down MY chosen method, be it rifle, muzzleloader or LEGALLY used ATV.


Hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings with my statements.

Mike
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Easy guys. As I read huntsalone's post he's not saying other folks who like to hunt differently than him shouldn't have their way of life. He's saying their way of hunting impacts those like him who like something different. I've been rifle hunting for 25 years (ouch, time flys)and hunting has always been somthing of a religous experience for me. My first year bowhunting this year was like sitting in the front row of the church rather than way in the back. It was an awesome experience that icluded hearing ATVs in the background. I can live with that, but I tell you I would enjoy it more without ATVs around. Last I heard, this place is a democracy and if enough people can make a case for using the common resource we all love in a diffent way (that doesn't completely exclude others) then more power to them.

JP
 
DK, your memory is apparently as bad as your judgement. Go hunt on your ATV, nobody is banning you.

Ditto what Deerlove said.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-29-03 AT 12:07PM (MST)[p]Sorry if I offended you RD, as I stated earlier that wasnt my intent. I dont hunt off my ATV, it stays in the pick-up untill I have an animal down, I try to use good judgement when afield in all situations. In my last post I even tried to find out how things are run in your state but you didnt want to share, come to Wyoming and hunt the bow season when it is relatively quiet in the woods except for those people who dont know how to use a bugle properly. And I still dont see where I called anybody a communist. I honestly think huntsalone started this thread to spark some debate, whats wrong with healthy debate? Its only not good if someone doesnt agree with you from what I see.

Mike
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by the way, I do bow hunt as well so I am not just taking the rifle hunters side of this. I think the woods are there for all of us to share.
 
If you are this concerned about elk hunters who can't bugle stay far away from a duck blind.
 
Wow guys, good stuff! Thanks!!! Yeah I did expect to get reamed and was purely interested to hear others opinions and get some conversation on these topics (especially primitive hunting units) as they are not brought up a lot on this site.
I did not spend a lot of time thinking through what I said but did my best at the time. I surely would have changed some of the things I said a bit! It's OK Dakotakid, I understand your statements and opinions, and appreciate you taking the time! I did not know Wyoming had primitive units, very cool. I started elk hunting in Colorado and am now in Montana.
There were a couple of you that really did understand where I was coming from and I really appreciate you supporting me and comunicating that across for me. It was a bit intimidating for me to bring up this topic my second post. I do hear A LOT of bickering and bashing on this site (that is why I haven't posted anything in two years of viewing this site) that I mostly don't agree with, don't care to listen to, unless there is a real knucklehead.
I don't want to ban guns or anything, I still shoot one every now and then but am trying to get good enough at bow hunting that I can bring home some meat every year with one. I know these ideas are extreme and almost all of them imposible to actually make happen and don't expect them to nor am I going to try and force them, just wanted to talk about them. It's simply no more than an idea or picture in my mind that I like to think about, and I guess maybe even hope that one day there will be better options for primitive only hunters. I do think it's fare for primitive only hunters to, naturally, have better hunting grounds since it would decrease impact and disturbances on the elk herds day to day life. You can't obtain this if bow and gun hunters hunt one after the other every year. Only if the elk consistantly did not hear gun shots and as many motors every year. I don't know, but I bet they would slowly go back to there original state and not be so nocturnal nor silent. Do apologize for original message, did sound a bit one sided or extreme.
By the way for a pure laugh, who ever it was that mentioned having to wear mocosines and make your own bow, I have been known to bow hunt with a long bow I made and wear moccosines when the terrain allows me to(confortable and especially quite). I even started out using my long bow before picking up a compound. but after getting 40-50 yards from two four points , a real nice five by, and a big bodied six by my first year bow hunting elk (over-the-counter lic./Colorado) (alone, ha, ha,ha) I went and bought a compound this year. That will probably explain where I stand. Feel free to send me some more topics of conversation, ask me further questions, love talkin' about "the hunt". And for those of you who actually had the patience to read all of this, I owe ya one. Have fun out there guys!

Huntsalone
 
When hunters start suggesting ways to exclude others from their chosen manner of pursuit that worries me. I rifle hunt, as well I bow hunt, I also use a muzzleloader fairly often. Now I know we all have our prefrences as far as our weapons, but just because some one hunts with a bow shouldnt alow them special privledge as far as where they can hunt. I have a certain area here in my home state that I love to hunt. It is my escape from every day life. My dad feels the same way about this area, he has hunted it longer than I can remember. He doesnt bow hunt, Where would the justice be in closing this area-making it into a primitive area?? There are bow hunts and rifle hunts in this area already and the hunting is still good for both archers/rifle hunters. Those were just my thoughts on the subject. I think we can co-exist in the same areas. Good opinions expressed on this topic.Happy huntin!

-Hghcountry
 
Let be back in this on!

Dakota, in no way did you state that hunts alone was a communist directly. However, the way you expressed you point of view on the topic you surely do paint the picture that you believe huntsalone?s point of view is one that a communist would have.

The guy did have a good idea; I do believe some states have archery only areas and almost all of certain seasons for archery and muzzle loading that are separate from the normal rifle season. Is this not true?

I believe his ?ban on guns? suggested that the ban should be in certain areas as mentioned above, not from society in general.

Also, thanks for backing me RD.

Michael
 
Highcountry,

Appreciate your response and totally understand and agree with your stance. If everyone on this site expressed their thoughts as kindly as you this site would be much more enoyable. First of all, people are misunderstood all the time, and when your on a text message post like this it is ten times easier to be misunderstood and ten times harder to explain your self. But I'm trying to catch up.
I never thought bow only areas could or should happen. Like I said, I hunt with a gun every now and then too. I think I was really just pulling one of those "wouldn't it be cool (if?)" things! Like someone else might be sitting at home thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if a beautiful babe brought me a sizzling ribeye and a six pack right now". But do they really expect it to happen, hopefully not. Weird way of putting it but accurate.
I just wonder how much difference it would make in elk behavior/their daily life/my experience/ect... if an area were like this. Would it be fare?, probably not! I'll be more precise next time I post something so controversial. I would hate to see you and your dad's favorite spot get taken from you, as well as my favorite spots. Things are probably as fare as you can make them these days.
I guess I haven't found my favorite spot or honey hole yet and am starting to wonder if it is even possible so I start dreamin' about one. But it ain't a bad thing to be a dreamer, is it? We all just wanna have a good time and we all do it in different ways. Not everyone chooses to back pack in a wilderness area five or six miles by themselves for multiple nights at 10,500 ft. hunting elk with a long bow. I do this kind of thing because I enjoy and choose to do it that way. And if I don't like it, those guys are right, I can do it differently. And I do understand we share the land like we should. Let's enjoy it as long as we can before it's all developed into housing communities (ha,ha/just a sad but true joke/not trying to start another one of these). Happy huntin' to you and your dad! Elk country is my escape from every day life too, what would we do with out it?

Huntsalone (in awsome country!)
 
Huntsalone,

Thank you so much for keeping an open mind and reading my posts for what I wrote in them and not interpreting it into something I did not say. I now have a much higher level of respect for you. I hope in no way did you take what I wrote to mean that you were "liberal" or heaven forbid "communistic" ( I still fail to see where I implied that?). I felt that I merely replied in a manner that you were actually looking for which was to stir some open debate. And in reading your responses I feel thats exactly what you were looking for. I do understand what your motive is and that is it seems to be getting increasingly hard to get to a "spot" where there is not other hunters or outdoorsman in your face. Unfortunately I dont think we have an answer for that, population control comes to mind but we know thats not feasable. As sportsman we need to stick together regardless if you shoot a bow and I shoot a rifle and Jim shoots a blow gun. If we try to limit the ways other sportsman choose to enjoy the outdoors then we have just successfully done half of the ANTI's job and that would be to keep hunters from hunting. Well, I hope that in your pursuit you do find your own personal honey hole and that you have many years of success, be it with a bow or a 50 cal.

Mike
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oh, by the way... that was my smart ass comment about the moccassins and willow sticks. I'm glad you got a chuckle out of it. At least some people on this site have a sense of humor.
 
Huntsalone,

I agree it would be fun to hunt in an area where there were only bow hunts. Elk hunting sure would be different. The area I do most of my hunting is in a controlled hunt area, so I dont get to hunt elk every year. But what I like is that it limits the hunters, both archers and rifle, translating into higher quality hunting. And when I do draw it sure is fun to actually see mature bulls and have a real chance to harvest a nice elk. So I understand where you are coming from some what. I really like this topic, its good to think about new things. I still have a late deer hunt coming up here in november, so lets hope for snow. Happy huntin to all.


-Hghcountry
 
I'd be all for it, but thats cause I'm a bowhunter. Assume for a minute that the animal rights guys got there way for a couple of years. Wouldnt be pretty. Esentially that is the same thing you are doing here. Dont get me wrong I would love to nix my competetion especially those with rifle but that is part of the sport. I applaud your thinking but fear it as well. If you got what you want then we become that much closer to losing the privelige entirely.


Shedcrazy
 
No Guns, I can live with that.
No Bugles, That I can't I love elk hunting. I love everything about it. You can't sit there and tell me somone is bugling wrong because there isn't an elk out there that makes the same sound as another. So how do you know it's wrong? No bugles? You can take a blade of grass, stick it between your two thumbs and immitage a cow call or even a small bull.
No Atv's, That's fine. If they outlawed them in my state id be the first to trade mine in for a horse. Ole man in Jerimiah Johnson's movie said "elk ain't know how many feet a horse has!"



-Cass
 
Here are some rules for hunting around me.

1. If you are hunting with a gun (bow) in my area, legal or not, I am going to shoot you with my bow (gun).
2. If I see your ATV on my trail I am going to shoot it and you.
3. If I find a dead deer or elk that is still warm , whether I shot it or not, I am putting my tag on it so it doesent get wasted.
4. If you try and take my deer or elk, whether you shot it or not, I am going to shoot you.
5. If I think you might be a communist or you suggest that I am a communist I will shoot your communist ass.

Get my drift? This is silly right?

Relax and go hunting. Enjoy the outdoors and get as much out of it as you can, then be sure and put it all back with interest. Then everything is gonna be all right. God forbid dont ask the government to do anything, like change seasons or make new rules, PLEASE...I cant afford it!
 
Cowboy,

I get the point and agree, I've tried to be as respectfull as possible this whole way through and written three pages trying my best to explain that I chose my words and expressed my thoughts very poorly to everyone. I was in a hurry when I wrote the first message and was in a pretty light hearted mood at the time, wasn't pinning anyone down ar trying to outlaw anything. But appearantly I started somethin special, ha ha. That WAS silly! Let's DO relax everyone! Let's not way overanalyze everything trying our hardest to make absolutely nothing into something childish.
And I do put back to the outdoors and wildlife on a regular basis, and that was a good and important point I appreciate you bringing that one up! And for the other fella before you, yeah I do know every bull has it's own voice. That's a good lesson for anyone that didn't know that, but they also know when their using it or not, as I'm sure you know, I just figured if there were five guys screamin on their bugles for days on end around a heard that hasn't started buglin' it might have an effect EVERYONES hunt. I'm know genius and don't have a PHD in Wildlife bio., so I turn to common since and that has worked pretty well for me. No hard feelins fellas, let's just let this one drop. I apologize for being the cause of this! If I manage to get the nerve after this one to post something in the future I'll make sure I don't say anything that makes some of these guys feel threatened, cause I sure ain't out to threaten anyone.

May the elk communicate better than our poor souls!!!!!
 
If u think outlawing gun hunts is ok, then just outlaw them all together and let a communist country just come and take us over. That is just rediculous.
 

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