Colo Comm meeting May 6 results

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rocketman

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Colo wildlife comm meeting was held in Grandjunction. The 5 year plan was the big topic which
starts 2005-2009. Adding draw units up to or even
beyond 30% was approved for elk(currently 17%).
Meeting will be held in many places on the western
slope starting in July and ending in August. The
additions will be added depending on thr local
support. Strong support is clear in the Gunnison units
54,55, and 551. As many as 10 units could be added to
the draw. Pref points was a huge topic at the meeting.
Any changes would include; 1. 50-50 split on licenses
most points/lottery 2. partial use of points, if it takes
8 points to draw and you have 12 you can bank 4 points
3.You cannot bank a point if you hunt a bull that year.
The first 2 WILL increase pref points to draw a given
unit the third WILL decrease the points to draw a
given unit. By far the most prowildlife commissioner
is Brad Phelps of Gunnison. The 60-40 res nonres stays in
place.
 
I don't live in Colorado but for now i am just puting in for points for Colorado. In Washington when you put in for a permit you can Pick one unit or up to four units. And if you draw a permit you use up your points. if it's your first choice or your fourth choice your points go down to zero. Do you think this way would help lower the points needed to draw a good unit if it were used in Colorado. Or Do you think it's a bad idea.
 
Thanks for the FYI Rocketman. Much appreciated.

Big Kudos from my neck of the woods to Brad Phelps. He is a hell of an advocate for sportsmen and women in this state.
Great guy too!
 
>I don't live in Colorado but
>for now i am just
>puting in for points for
>Colorado. In Washington when you
>put in for a permit
>you can Pick one unit
>or up to four units.
>And if you draw a
>permit you use up your
>points. if it's your first
>choice or your fourth choice
>your points go down to
>zero. Do you think this
>way would help lower the
>points needed to draw a
>good unit if it were
>used in Colorado. Or Do
>you think it's a bad
>idea.
 
if you draw in colorado "your first choise".
You loose all you points in colorado.
You start with a clean sheet.
if you draw you second choise you keep your accumulated points +1 is added.
how else would you accumulate points,
other that straight out buying them?
 
I don't really know how Colorados system works but In washington if you Don't draw your permit you can still hunt your over the counter areas. Eastern Washington is spike only and western Washington is Three point or better.

you only accumulate points if you don't draw any of your choices. if you have ten points and you draw your fourth choice cow hunt you still go to zero points. Some people just put in one choice and if they don't draw just hunt over the counter areas. I don't know if colorado has any over the counter areas so I might not know what i am talking about.
 
83% of Colo is OTC bull tags only 17% is draw for bulls.
We have 4 seasons for elk plus muzzle and archery. Muzzle
is draw for the entire state. Archery is unlimited for 83%
of the state. The method I most support for pref points
is the only way you can draw points is to hunt a cow.
We have an unbelieveable amount of banking of points
and then go hunt a bull in an OTC unit. This mess must be addressed NOW or we will have such a stockpile of
points that it will take many many years to bring it
down to manageable numbers.
 
I second your coments Buckspy. It's going to be a real shame if they don't get someone like Brad P. back in there. We need people like that here in UT. Steve
 
Here is an article released today by the DOW about the meeting

WILDLIFE COMMISSION APPROVES ELK LICENSES FOR 2004 SEASON
~ The Colorado Wildlife Commission approves record number of elk licenses. ~

The Colorado Wildlife Commission approved more than 147,000 antlerless and either-sex elk licenses for the 2004 big-game season?the most in state history?during a regular meeting in Grand Junction. The move reflects an elk herd that exceeds population objectives in some areas of the state.

The Commission also approved nearly 35,000 antlerless and either-sex deer licenses and nearly 69,000 antlered deer licenses for the 2004 season, a 10 percent increase over 2003.

Despite warm, dry weather last fall, hunters killed 57,330 elk in 2003, more than most wildlife managers expected, said John Ellenberger, the Colorado Division of Wildlife (DOW) big-game manager.

?The 2003 harvest helped managers make progress in managing the size of the state?s elk herd,? Ellenberger said. ?Although some herd units continue to exceed their long-term objectives, our agency is committed to reducing elk populations where needed.?

Ellenberger said a variety of innovative hunting opportunities and seasons will be made available to manage elk, particularly in portions of northwest Colorado, where the state?s largest herds are found. The approaches include an unlimited number of antlerless elk licenses during the fourth season in game management units (GMUs) 3, 301, 4, 441 and 5 and unlimited antlerless elk licenses in all four rifle seasons in units 25 and 26.

Colorado?s deer herds?reduced in the early 1990s due to brutal winters and poor habitat conditions in some areas?continue to improve.

?An increased number of herd units are at or above their long-term populations and sex-ratio objectives resulting in more antlered and antlerless licenses available for hunters in select areas of the state, including Craig, Meeker and Middle Park,? Ellenberger said.

Drought continues to impact the state?s pronghorn antelope population, however, resulting in a reduction in rifle licenses from nearly 8,300 in 2003 to more than 7,800 for the coming hunting season.

The number of limited rifle bear licenses for the 2004 season will drop slightly to 2,874, while moose licenses will increase slightly from 115 in 2003 to 132 in 2004.

The Commission also approved a series of policies that will serve as guidelines for development of regulations for a new big-game season structure that will be approved this coming October. The season structure will formally establish season dates, method of take, preference points and other key regulations for the 2005-2009 seasons for deer, elk, moose, pronghorn and black bear in Colorado.

More than three dozen people testified on specific aspects of the season structure policy during the Commission meeting, reflecting the importance of the policy structure to big-game hunting in the state. After a lengthy discussion that continued until the early evening last Thursday, the Commission approved policies on a variety of hunting issues. They include:

--Disease management policy, which would cover chronic wasting disease (CWD) in deer and elk, will be considered in the development of biological parameters and management strategies for data analysis units (DAUs) around Colorado.

--General guidelines the DOW already uses to set seasons?including a limited number of licenses in early and late seasons and primary rifle seasons in October and November?will remain in place.

--Up to 30 percent of elk herds in the state will be managed through ?limited opportunity? hunts, compared to 17 percent under the existing season structure policy. Hunters must apply for these licenses in early April. The number of available licenses changes annually.

--Up to 60 percent of limited licenses will be allocated to resident hunters unless the number of resident applicants is below 60 percent. Nonresidents can receive up to 40 percent.

--The Commission will ask the state Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation and federal land management agencies to adopt regulations that would reduce the impacts that off-road vehicles have on wildlife populations and hunting opportunities. In addition, the DOW may seek legislation of its own to allow the Wildlife Commission to further regulate the use of off-road vehicles as hunting aids. Misuse of off-road vehicles is one of the most common complaints the DOW receives each fall from hunters.

The Commission also approved a regulation that limits the scientific collection of wildlife for ?bona fide research? purposes. A scientific collecting license will be required to collect wildlife for such research


txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
The preference points issue is a new can of worms. Two of the commissioners, (Burke and Enstrom) want a system where you aquire a preference point by hunting a cow only. No other way to gather a point. If implemented this will definetly affect all residents and non-residents. I am a resident and think that the non-residents will be affected even more. They will finalize their decision at the June commission meeting. If you are building points for a great hunt in the furture I would suggest emailing all the commissioners on your feelings concerning this issue.
 
I think the cow only points idea is great,
it would take the lamos that apply for the highest points area knowing there is no way they will get drawn out of acction,
there second choise is typ, where they want to hunt anyway.
they are just gathering free points.
make it that you only get points by hunting for cow, not just appling for cow lic. but if you receive a cow lic. then you get a point.
Hunt the cows you control the heard.
 
hey Skeet on the pref point issue. 75% of all applicants
elk draw apply for pref points ONLY no second choice. This
means they only want to hunt our best units. What are they
contributing to wildlife management in Colo? When
they do draw res and nonres the tags DO NOT cover the
cost of producing a trophy animal. So Dow loses money
on these tags especially for res. Cows are cheap and easy
to produce(look at our numbers in Colo) trophy bulls
are expensive(time it takes and low tag numbers). If
you are building points(who isnt) hunting a cow to
get a point is a good way to go. The current system only
increases the point system.
 
Well, I am sorry I disagree that this is a great idea. Lets say I am saving points for a great hunt. I apply to this limited unit, do not draw and cannot draw a second choice cow tag because where I live most are issued to first choice applicants. Yes maybe I could draw a cow tag in another area of the state but why should I be forced to hunt another unit away from home, maybe I don't have the time or money to do so. So just because I want to have a quality hunt some day in my lifetime and I am willing to wait 15-20 years to experience this I am going to be punished and not allowed to hunt a bull in 83% unlimited units. This does not seem to be a fair and equitable solution to the problem.

The solution to the preference point issue is total limitations statewide on elk. But unfortunately no one is brave enough to make a real stand except Wildlife Commission Phelps.
 
hey skeet. I agree statewide draw is the best way
to go. Will not happen this 5 year plan, maybe
next plan. My proposal is draw a cow tag OR a non
refundable fee. We need to take pressure off our
bulls and put it on the cows. Your idea still
has most people banking points. Today wrote a
letter to the commission in regard to this topic.
There is going to have to be some sacrifice in
hunting bulls to reign in the pref point situation.
Roy in Montrose
 
How much does it cost the DOW to produce a trophy bull???

Relatively little money from DOW's budget goes toward habitat management. The federal land agencyies or private landowners conduct practically all of the habitat management activities. The state spends money on their state-owned lands and some very small expiramental projects. The rest of their budget is for administrative costs, law enforcement, and population research.

I don't have a problem with the fundamentals of the current preference point system, but I do think it would help things a little bit by charging a higher application processing fee for those just wanting to accumulate points. It would get rid of those who aren't really serious.
 
Chambero,

Colorado doesn't produce trophy bulls, we kill em all as raghorns. That is really the point. Many of us would like to see more limited draw units and be able to draw a premium elk tag without dying of old age first.

Got my new issue of Trophy Hunter Magazine a few days ago. On the Cover: "13 Bulls over 390 & 7 Bulls over 390" Not ONE of them from Colorado! That says it all, the state with the largest herd of elk and very, very few toads.

BeanMan
 
I might not sound like it, but I really wouldn't mind if more (or even all) units became draw only for bulls or even increasing antler point restrictions. It is a shame that most of the bulls get nailed as 4 pts.

I just don't like nonresidents getting nailed on access to licenses when we already have to pay so much more money for licenses. Paying more money ought to put us on equal footing with residents. We certainly should get hit from a third side by reducing our ability to accumulate preference points.

I will wait a few years to hunt a really good unit, but I don't understand people who are waiting for ten years+ to hunt selected units. Someone willing to wait that long isn't too serious about elk hunting.

I would love to kill a really nice 6x6 bull someday, but I don't think our agencies should focus their management efforts on developing true giants. More mature bulls would work just fine.

We probably ought to be directing some public effort toward the USFS and BLM on their habitat management activities.
 
I don't think Colorado will ever be allowed to be considered a trophy Elk state as long as the D.O.W. and the W.C. are trying to make Forbes top 100 most profitable companies list.
 
For the new 5 year plan the %of draw units may
increase from 17% to 30%.Notice I did not use the
word trophy units. These units WILL NOT be
managed for trophy bulls just for increasing the
bull cow ratios and reducing hunter pressure.A 30% reduction
in tags are proable for these new units. That
reduction WILL NOT produce trophy bulls just more
bulls. In Colo we ,I suppose,must be happy with
that.LET EM GO AND LET EM GROW. Roy in Montrose
 

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