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Well, I tried to express my views on what I thought about foodplots on RT and now join the crowd of Westerners that are banned for voicing their opinion.
Oh well...They say to voice your opinion so I did about being against baiting and food plots as ethical hunting.
They then got mad after calling me Hitler and big headed when I called them lazy hunters.
The only point they kept bring up is "It's legal".
I said that burning the flag is legal, cross dressing is legal and ect. and to get to it since "It's legal".
I told them it was about ETHICS.
If you do not agree on that site then you are out. Now who sounds like Nazi's?
Thank God this site may get heated at times but rarely do you get blasted for stating your opinion.
Best,
Jerry
 
The only problem with RT is you can only express your opinion if it is the same as the rest of the people on that site. If not, beware. I have not been banned, but I also havent been back for a while now. Just not my kind of place!!
 
Hey Jerry:

I was over at RT as well and I really can't believe how those guys believe that baiting of deer is a great way to hunt deer. I'm still trying to figure out how they can say that using a well maintained corn pile to hunt over is the same as trying to pattern the deer and then going after it on the ground. Those guys pretty much can justify anything if it suits their needs.

By the way you were pretty rough on the guys over there. I was thinking they probably feel like the hotel repair guy you had a run in with last fall!!!!(LMAO)

Chuck
 
Jerry,
Sorry I missed the action over there. I haven't been checkin' things out much over there. The good news is I still ain't banned. How I have managed that I don't know. LMAO!
 
I was over there reading some of your posts and busting a gut...I think I might stroll back over and enter the conversation myself....Looks like fun...
 
Hey Jerry,

Can you post a link to that thread? It would be fun to stir a little chit with them lazy turds. I look over there once in a while but it really seems like a waste of good time. LOL
 
If you post a link their spys will know. LOL! There is a conspiracy theory over there that MM is from the Devil and some of us are actually Satan (Saddam of the Hunting World) LMAO!

Jerry,
I gave your post a read (not all of it because it is too long) you brought up some great points. You probably came on too strong for them. There is a bunch of kids over there that might be offended by the words "LAZY" "SLOB" "DINKY DOG DEER" "LMAO"!!! You didn't hammer them quite as hard as OSOK though. LOL! They are still trying to get over that.
 
I was put on furlough here at MM, for mearly suggesting that Utah Valley residents have more than thier fair share of corn-cobbers, apparently someone here didn't share my oppinion on the matter.
 
Knack
Those "Food Plotters" just don't understand you for the Artist you truely are !!!

I couldn't resist and went over to RT and read the post. You really got the Bubba's stired up. Too Funny.;-)

I doubt you'll be getting any free sample's of "Big-Buck-Crunch" anytime soon.
 
LOL COHunter! Yeah, I found it and just got done reading the whole thread. Jerry, you got them boys a bit fired up. Good job!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-04 AT 03:19PM (MST)[p]Thanks guys!
Somehow I think they already are reading our posts since "POOF" I am now able to post again there.
I do not think I have been hard on them at all. I have been called a Hitler, Big headed, Anti-Hunter and a OHHH my gosh WESTERNER!
The horror, oh the horror.

Why do you think they get so upset with others that think
baiting and planting food plots is unethical and not hunting but shooting?
They even try to justify it as actually hard? OK
One bubba even say's for me to try carrying 50 pounds of corn fifty yards and see. LMAO
I think my pardon on there will be short lived since I cannot get it through my head how difficult baiting deer is.
Go figure.
Best,
Jerry
P.S. It's on RT in the Deer forum under FOOD PLOTS?
 
someone message me this 'RT' site, I have no clue what you guys are talking about and want to read it.
 
That's some interesting reading----I have almost the exact same view as you on the subject, but I think we take for granted our ability out west to walk out the door and be on public land for as long as we can walk. I think this fact itself makes the hunting a little different from coast to coast. But not different enough to bait them as you have said.
 
I have never been on rt but let me guess. they brag about sitting in a play house on stilts while shooting at deer they have been feeding all year. Boy those shows are sure fun to watch. NOT
 
should have asked them if they wanted a REAL CHALLENGE..........go kill a Big MULEY!!!!! heheehe......those guys crack me up with their food plot issues.......Dwayne
 
If you get a chance, check out BCBOY's RT post on fairchase....tell me if you think my response was too harsh or right on the money......i dont know how long it will be there before it gets deleted...
 
SInce I fear my post will be banned before sunrise....here it is for your reading pleasure.....

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!! I think BCBOY hit it right on the head. Where is the fair chase in hunting deer over a plot of food. DOnt try to tell me that it is that wasy, because is half the people on this site can do it, im sure just about anyone could! Im sorry if people disagree with me and my opinon...but that is what it is, an no amount of whining on others part will change my mind. Call me conceeded, narrow-minided, full of myself, cocky, etc., and my only reply would be Thanks! Cause frankly I could care less about what a bunch of corn-feedin, plot hunting, dink dog deer hunters say about me! Trust me, I have enough friends, I dont need any more! Many of which are these men that you have chastised and banished from this site.....many of which are 10x the hunter than most on this site will ever dream of being!!
Now to my next topic: Ive been fairly quiet, but iguess all good things have to come to an end....heres to the end of my silence!!
Buckee....WTF(F=Fetch.....after all, this is a family site) is up with kicking Polarbear out....because he disagreed with you and your eastcoast cronies!! Im still not seeing anything done by these guys that you are banning that is all that appauling. HEck, if what he said is offensive, then I have a list of RT regulars that I would like to see banned due to their "offensive" behavior and comments. Heck I figure since each of you have your own set of rules to determine what is innapproppriate and offensive, well then so should the rest of us! I'll start with you. You can insult PB and some of us other people by calling us immature and "chocolate covered"??? But he calls some a twinkie eating lazy butt, and he gets the boot. Welcome to Communist Russia......say anything against the norm and you are shipped off to Siberia!! Dont worry PB, I think I'll be joining you soon. Heck, BCBOY was called the Saddam of the HUnting World, The KNack was called the Hitler of the hunting world.....Well if thats the case, I think Ive found the Joseph Stalin or maybe even the Karl Marx of the hunting world!!

Buckee, hopefully my post here, heck, hopefully my mere presence here doestn ruin your MLK Day like I did your Christmas!! Weird, I only show up around holidays!! I think its time to take a step back and off your soapbox and open your eyes to the hipocrasy and one sidedness that is occurring from yourself and many of the "regulars" on this site. The Western Hunters that have come to visit this site and voice their disappproval to what many of us believe to be an unethical practice that to many is a black mark on the hunting world, have been called offensive and rude names, yet I am yet to see you call out an Eastern Hunter in a public forrum and tell them they are banned! I havent seen you telling any of your "kill WHitey" buddies to grow up or leave....are we seeing a pattern here! Next your going to be telling us Western Hunters....BACK OF THE BUS!!

COntrary to popular belief, I along with many of my Western Hunter visitors are actually quite intelligent and well informed. Heck, most of us are more well informed that yourself....oh great White hunter....but the difference between you and I, is that I have a sense of humor about things! IF you want to discuss this further, you know where to find me......(Cheers theme playing in the background...."Where everybody knows your name......dudda dudda, da,da..."

PEACE.....IM OUTTA HERE!!

(Note: The views and opinions expressed above are not neccecessarily those of MM.com or its, owners, operators, or associates.)
 
You know us "Westerners" are creeping vampires of the night.
Looks like Polarbear is already whacked from the site per one of it's moderators freaking out.
They do not like to be called lazy but they can lump every one of us here as "Chocolate covered buddies". This was stated by the same moderator by the way.
Everyone should go there and vote or at least read the threads in the deer section there on food plots before they lock it out and think highly of themselves again for the power they think they have.
Vote your own thoughts on the subject without worrying what others think.
Best,
Jerry
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-04 AT 08:08AM (MST)[p]Hey now... I got axed on my first trip over to couch potatoville! You are right, they are a bunch of thin skined, pet shooting, corn feeder sittin'lazy a$$ goofballs! Haahaaaa...
It seems to me that R.T. stands for Real Tards! It is kinda fun getting them all pissed off but I didnt think that I would get banned on my first post. Huuahaaaa.. By the way, take a look at the picture of "Mr. Jodan", is he wearing make-up? He is probably wearing Michael Jackson Underoos under his camo.
You guys are right on the money about them. By the way, what is that crap about "chocolate covered buddies"? Sounds like the NAACP and the Anti Defamation League needs to be notified about that site. Haaaaaaaahaaaaa.... If you notice the one bashing us "westerners" and cutting us out of the herd is from B.C.! Is'nt that concidered out west?
Eric
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Life long "vagitarian"
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Well, as I expected, my post was deleted.....what I didnt expect was that they would delete the whole fairchase thread!! Oh well.....
 
Yep, they deleted the fair chase and the food plot post I started.
They still have a vote going "yes or no" on food plots. The question is "would you support a ban on food plots if on a ballot".
Looks like they finally did whack everything after one of their moderators went ballistic and made ethnic remarks towards all us Westerners.."Chocolate covered buddies"!
I can at least give them credit for stating they deleted the posts because all members and "Moderators" will not be tolerated in name calling.
I would like to state that my views do not reflect necessarily the views of MM or it's administrator. Just my opinion on the subject.
Best,
Jerry
 
Hey, what happened to my post over on RT? You guys stirring up the $hit again when I was out working my a$$ off trying to catch some horn porn action this morning? Geeze, you guys sure know how mess up a great post. LMAO! Makes me wish I had of stayed home and caught the action. Did the West Coast Bill Jordan Wannabe show up and start name calling again? The way he ripped into OSOK before it wouldn't surprise me that he layed into PB. I still can't believe that guy is from BC. I really don't think he gets off the ROCK much.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-04 AT 04:33PM (MST)[p]Without wanting to feel left out, I decided to get in on the action over at the RT clubhouse. I'm sure it's just going to be a matter of days before I get booted or baited.

That didn't take as long as I had thought it would. I'll just stick with the MM. Besides, I don't know a damned thing about whiteys.

Coot
 
How you fellas doin? Not all of us are couch taters shooting deer straight off the plot.

I actually plant plots but they're just to keep the herd healthy during our sub-zero winters. All of my hunting is actually done quite a ways away from the plots on trails near creek crossings that lead to other food sources and bedding areas.

Guess there are a lot of differences between hunting here and where y'all are. Nothing wrong with that. I'ld actually like to take a crack at y'all's mulies with my bow (all I hunt with).

Y'all take it easy and enjoy your weekend.
 
Well here in Iowa you pretty much live in a giant food plot.If you dont wanna hunt near corn you gotta pretty much leave the state.I supose northern minnesota would be about the closest spot to get away from cornfields here.But then you got the added expense of buying non resident licenses, gas, lodging, it all adds up.

Another interesting thing, the DNR leaves foodplots in on the public hunting ground here for the wildlife.Now, is it unethical for me to use this piece of public ground ifd I didnt plant the foodplot myself?Another moral dilema Ill have to learn to deal with I suppose.I just thought Id say hi anyway, didnt want you boys to think I was spying on you or anything and it is only polite I suppose.Nice site you got here, mind if i hang out awhile, maybe you all can help me get away from hunting all this corn, any advice?By the way, do they grow corn out west?Oh, I got a ton of questions but right now I gotta put the kids to bed.Ill check back later and see if you all can help me become a better hunter, Im willing to listen.

Take Care
Horst
 
Horst and Vt,
Welcome to the imfamous MM. Pull up a seat, pull out a beer from the cooler and stay awhile. This is really a fun site. Lots of BS and lots of Big Muleys. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. LMAO!

I think what us out West picture when we think of food plots, is exactly what RealTree and Buckmasters pump out on the TV. A overweight guy huffing and puffing as he crawls into his elevated box (what are those things called anyways?) hitting the automatic feeder and instantly the field is full of deer. He shoots a little 3 point whitey (6 point for you Easterners) and says, "That's a goooood buck, that's a reeeaaall gooood buck. Man, that sure was a tough huuunt". (I'm sorry, it's hard to type the Southern Drawl. But I think you get the picture). It seems these deer are so accustomed to the feeder, that fair chase isn't even in the picture.
I realize that this is probably an unfair picture of hunting back East, but it is would the Hunting Guru's pump out everyweek. Sadly, this is what the non-hunting public sees as hunting as well.
 
Welcome Real Tree-ers!! Your always welcome here....unless you disagree with what I say, then Ill have your posts deleted!! !!!LMAO :) Just Kidding, I talk a big game but no one around here would listen to me anyways!!

Anyways, welcome and cant wait to hear some good hunting stories and to see some pictures from your neck of the woods!!
 
>Horst and Vt,
>Welcome to the imfamous MM. Pull
>up a seat, pull out
>a beer from the cooler
>and stay awhile. This is
>really a fun site. Lots
>of BS and lots of
>Big Muleys. Sometimes it's hard
>to tell the difference. LMAO!
>
>
>I think what us out West
>picture when we think of
>food plots, is exactly what
>RealTree and Buckmasters pump out
>on the TV. A overweight
>guy huffing and puffing as
>he crawls into his elevated
>box (what are those things
>called anyways?) hitting the automatic
>feeder and instantly the field
>is full of deer. He
>shoots a little 3 point
>whitey (6 point for you
>Easterners) and says, "That's a
>goooood buck, that's a reeeaaall
>gooood buck. Man, that sure
>was a tough huuunt". (I'm
>sorry, it's hard to type
>the Southern Drawl. But I
>think you get the picture).
>It seems these deer are
>so accustomed to the feeder,
>that fair chase isn't even
>in the picture.
>I realize that this is probably
>an unfair picture of hunting
>back East, but it is
>would the Hunting Guru's pump
>out everyweek. Sadly, this is
>what the non-hunting public sees
>as hunting as well.
 
Real Treers
Welcome. Dont take any of our goofball attacks personally. Some of us here cant help to "stir the pot" a little. Sometimes were just fishing for a sucker to piss off. But it is all meant to be in good fun. Hell, I have food plots planted for the local deer, but I dont hunt over them. The kids enjoy watching the critters come in to feed too much for me to shoot their "pets".
Like was said before, crack open a cold one (no Miller or SAB products please!)stick around and have a good time.
Eric
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Thanks for the welcome.I seen somewhere in here someone posted something to the effect they can walk out there door and keep walking and never leave public hunting grounds out there.Is this true for all you guys?Because to be real honest around here we dont have that option.I believe the biggest chunk of public ground we have here is a slough about a mile west of town.Its only about 1400 acres, add in the fields ive got permission to hunt around the edges of it and I got maybe 2200 acres to hunt.I know this place like the back of my hand but on a good day I can cover the whole works with one or two other guys still hunting through the rushes.

Another thing we got going on here in Iowa is suddenly everyone wants to have their own hunting preserve here.Outta staters are buying ground Ive hunted since I was a kid and posting it.Everyones willing to prosecute tresspassers these days.When I was first getting starterd in hunting it was kinda like the above mentioned statement, you could literaly walk out your door and hunt anything without anyone caring.Theres a dredge ditch south of here I used to get dropped off on about 5 miles from town.Id walk it back to town shooting ducks, pheasants, occasionaly some geese etc...90% of thats posted now.

I guesse what Im getting at is some of you guys dont seem to take into account the differences between where you hunt and where others of us hunt.Ive taken 8 deer in the last 3 years from the ground with a bow.All but two were does but you get the idea, any deer you can sneak within 20 yrds of is a deer youve earned.But I also use a treestand.Why??Because if Im hunting a little 40 acre patch thats got posted land on 3 sides of it it wouldnt make sense to go tromping through there and run all the deer ot into the nieghbors property.Now does this make me a lazy hunter or is it just good common sense?Keep in mind all but the last 2 1/2 weeks of season Im bowhunting, the last 2 1/2 Im muzzleloading.On small chunks of ground like this I aint got the option of seeing whats over the next hill.On the other hand Im also not afraid to get outta my stand if I see a deer I think I can stalk with any degree of success.Anyway, just interested in some feedback on this, kinda curious if some of you guys take into account things like that when you start labeling people as lazy and whatnot, or if you just make them posts to get a rise outta people.Feel free to give me you honest opinion, I thhink BCboy will tell you you probably aint gonna get a rise outta me.
 
Thanx for the welcome.

Hunting out this way is definately different. I have a mountain that is owned by our family so I spend a lot of time climbing rocks and jumping brooks. As I said before, I have plots, but not the type I think some of ya might be picturing. There are NO feeders in these fields. During the winter I do put out feeders but they only stay out in the winter to keep up the health of the deer herd. I used to go out in the spring and find dead deer all over, but since I started this I only find 1 a spring on average. What's interesting about this is I always find the dead ones in the same place. I'm sure these are coyote killed. Before I started the plots and feeders, our deer never really got the mineral sources they needed. We used to shoot a lot of spikes, but only 2 years after starting this, my father shot the biggest buck to come off that mt in a long time. It was a beautiful 8 point (4x4 for y'all). So you see plots and feeders can have their benefits.

As for my way of hunting, I like to mix it up. I hunt with my bow so that's challenge enough, but I take it a step further, I still hunt when I have enough time to do so (weekends). During the week (after work) I have stands set-up in different places a bit lower on the mt. so I can hurry in and climb up for the few remaining hours of daylight, but like Horst, I would prefer to hit 'em from the ground. You will never see me huting over any feeder and seldomly I will hunt over trails leading to and from the plots, ususally to remove a not so healthy or genetically inferior deer.

As for those elevated treehouses......they call 'em shooting houses, and I agree, they don't seem to be too challenging. I use blinds but they are fold-up blinds and I remove them and take them to different locations all over.

I will say this. You guys are lucky to have those huge beasts out your way. I would kill for a spot & stock on a muley. It's true our whiteys are smaller but often times that makes them more difficult to hunt. These suckers can hide in rocky outcrops and tiny briar patches you'ld never even think of looking in. I can see where hunting any species would have it's own special challenges to over come.

Well enough about deer, I have coyotes to get ready for and then turkeys. Catch y'all later.

Bubba Easterner (lol).
 
Well, I guess I'll join the MM ranks as well. I got nuttin against you guys. You never hurt my youth forum. I'd like to learn a bit a bout mulie hunting, and I am sure I could learn a thing or two about hunting whitetails as well.

YB15
Ya, I am a kid, So what???????
 
With Polarbear as the goodwill ambassador to this site, I'm sure our new Real Tree friends will get real familiar with the antics of some of us, myself included. We're all about having fun and messing with each other. Now if you newbies can only coerce the likes of Jackie Bushman to get his a$$ over here, we can pretty much lay off of OO and Cass.
 
Sorry, but there's no way I'ld even walk across the street to spit on Jackie Bushman. The guy is a joke and I have zero respect for him.
 
What? You don't like Jackie Bushwhacker? It is the likes of him that give us Westerners a bad taste in our mouths (vomit) when it comes to "food plots". His shows are so bad you can hear the feeder turning on as he climbs into his shooting box. I think we would have a different opinion of "food plots" if these TV shows weren't so pathetic.

It is true that many of us out West really have it good when it comes to hunting. There's not a lot of private land where I come from. I can step out my door and be hunting on good public ground in less than 2 minutes. I can hike for days and days and never see another sole.
 
We hate that jackass for the same reason......he makes deer hunting look like a joke.

Believe me, judging us based on that moron is the wrong thing to do. Now I see where you're coming from. I don't know many guys that promote his way of shooting (not hunting).

Glad we are starting to make some headway in this misunderstanding.

The definition for most hunters out this way of a food plot is simply a way to attract and hold deer around our property because there is very little land around that is not posted. We don't really hunt the plots but use them to increase the health of the herd and it's #'s.

Man, just thinking that the way I hunt is thought to be the same as that pile of trash is enough to make me want to puke.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-04 AT 10:04PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-04 AT 10:02 PM (MST)

........and what in God's name is up with that Shotgun Red doggie chew toy character? E'nuff about Jackie B and his puppet shows. He's just fuel for the fire.

Coot
 
Hey guys, I thought I would get in on some of the Realtree fun. I too posted on what I thought about food plots and feeders and their new buck grub. Check out my post entitled "Buck Grub" It was not too bad and I've not been banned yet either.

I've been called an Anti and Westerner Too. Boy those guys sure get riled up easiy.

Kind of fun during the offseason.
 
Welcome aboard fellers and I noticed one thing, old VT there talks a bit like O_O with his y'all but that's ok I like the accent, if it comes from a good looking southern blond gal then it is even better.

Brian
 
Aint Jackie Bushman with Buckmasters?Have you all been banned from thier site yet?Just joking.Or maybe you have I dont know.Anyway, I dont watch that show so Im not sure what your refering to with the feeders and ATVs and stuff.

You guys dont seem to like answering questions much over here but Ive got another one.All I hear is how much walking you all do.Now, is there more to it than that or do you just walk untill you trip over a mule deer then shoot it?Seriously, do you do a lotta glassing or what?And after you find one do you just sneak within 3 or 400 yrd and shoot em with a rifle or do some of you bowhunt em?Whats our typical hunt like, I guesse is what Im asking.And how much stuff do you carry with you, spotting scopes, binoculars, or what.Knifes, lunch, toilet paper, or do you just use leaves?Sorry, probably getting to personal.Anyway, just curious what all hunting mule deer consists of.And since ou seem so opposed to driving anywhere how do you get em out?Drag em 3 miles back to the ranch or is it acceptable to use a truck or ATV at that point?You leave a lotta points pretty vauge when your knocking the way others hunt so Im just trying to get a better picture of what you do exactly, nothing pesonal mind you.
 
Great. Another questions about toilet paper. The Knack had a real good post here a couple of months back about the use of butt wipe and what to do when an emergency situation arose from too much coffee or green chili the night before. We don't use toilet paper out here. Socks and underwear have many more uses than what they were intended for. I'm sure Jerry could come up with quite a few examples. As for Rocky the Tub Guy, he's probably made the switch to Depends, thanks to the Knack.
 
Cooter your a real hoot. LOL
Horst-
Ya, we just walk and walk looking down at our feet until we hear a muledeer make a lot of noise. Then we look up and shoot it as it stands there being stupid. Some of us tie the deer to our ultralite airplanes and drag them back to camp. Others use the ole monster truck and 4x4 to them.
A lot more effort than spilling a pile of corn off your deck and waiting while watching re-runs of Gilligans island though.
Best,
Jerry
 
Horst,
There are plenty of guys here who bowhunt muleys. Getting close to just an average mule deer buck is tough enough but there are many guys on here that have take some absolute brutes with their bows. BOHNTR posted some of his pics at RT. I don't know if you had a chance to see them there or not.
There are many different hunting methods out West. Which one is used really has a lot to do with the ecotype you hunt. Living in BC, I mainly hunt with "spot and stalk" and "still-hunting methods".
Spot and stalk for me is mainly done in the highcountry, above treeline. Lots of hiking involved in climbing to where you want to glass from. Backpack hunting is a lot of fun. Carrying everything you need on your back: Tent or bivy sack, sleeping bag, food, stove, spotter, ect... Once in the area you want to glass, it is a lot of sitting behind the binos and spotter, glassing alpine basins, ridges and even sheer granite faces. When a buck is spotted that is worthy of closer inspection, a stalk in formulated based on wind direction and cover. Best thing to do is wait until the buck beds before putting on the stalk. My last year's high country buck was glassed at well over 2 kms and I was able to stalk within 15 paces of it bedded. I then waited for it to stand up before I shot. Once an animal is down, quarting and deboning the meat and packing it out on your back is how you get the buck home. Not uncommon to have packs well in excess of 100 pounds on your pack for the trip out.
Still-hunting the heavy timber is what I spend most of my season doing. And yes, I spend most of the day hiking. I have intimate knowledge of my honey holes so I know where the deer should be due to past experiences, be it bedding areas, doeholes, feeding areas ect... If it is a new area, it is haphazardly hiking until I see deer, but I have a good idea of terrain that I should expect to see them in. Still-hunting involves tracking (when I have good snow conditions), sitting and watching small openings (usually I don't sit much more than 30 mins at a time), glassing larger openings, and just plain walking slowly until I see deer. Most of the deer I have shot have been under 50 yards. Many, many in the 20 yard range that could have been shot with a bow. The closest was about 8 feet. I tracked that buck in some really thick timber and he was bedded and I didn't see him until I almost stepped on him.
I have hunted many other species, including whitetails with these same methods.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-19-04 AT 12:43PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-19-04 AT 12:41?PM (MST)

It's amazing what 1 guy can start w/ a 3 word sentence... :)

Dinky dog rat deer.

Woops. I meant 4!!!LOL

Almost forgot,

Horst,

You could call yourself a real deer hunter if!!!

You hunt out of a 45-50lb backpack. Carried by you, yourself, and your own 2 legs only, fore up to 10 days at a time. You awake 2-3 hours before first light, in order to choke down a bowl of dried whatever the heck it maybe that your body is absolutely sick of from being sustained by, fore the last however long it may be that you've been in the bush! Why??? Because you've got a 1-5mile hike ahead of you (all be it), straight up hill!!! In order to get to where you need to be before the sun graces gods wonderful creation and all things living w/ its presence. Once the sun starts to peak w/ it's first glimmer, you look, you look, and you better do a whole heck of a lot more looking!!! Cause Mr. Big, didn't get that way by shear luck. If you "just so happen" to be lucky enough to find a "muy grande" specimen. You then have to figure out how you will get to w/i shooting distance of this regal animal on his terms, in his house and by his rules. He won't use the same trail, or feed to the same spot at any given time! Like his inferior ever so calculable cousin.

Did you notice the "just so happen", quote???

Cause that's exactly what it is... To come across what I would consider to be a worth specimen. I consider myself "Extremely", lucky every single time, I'm blessed w/ the sight of that animals existence... In other words. A "Big", mule deer buck, is extremely rare, in most forms...

99.99999%, of the time. You get back to camp, well after dark. Whip yourself up some sort of concoction to feed your tired weary body and legs. Try to get yourself 5 or 6 hours of sleep, only to start the process all over the next day!!!

PS- Their are archery hunters on this site that would hunt any eastener into the ground, and back again!!!!

Welcome :)
 
Walk around and trip over muledeer!!!!Geeez. I let my dog chase them back towards me...3 to 400 yard shots???. Hellfire I don't let them get that close!!!. Ya'll just hang around a bit and we'll all get to be good buds...Me, I like to hang around them apple orchards and shoot me a biggen when he's a munchen on them granny smith"s....Make em taste like apple pie!!!. That aint baiten, Them apple trees grows wilds were I's lives....
 
BS on all the I got up and climbed 3 Mountains and ate Grape Nuts without milk before 4:30. I watch and read both East and West Hunting forums and Westerners talk baiting (bear) just like Easterners (Deer). I've enjoyed hunting both Muleys and Whitetails with some Elk mixed in, Guess what guys, It's all good!!!:) You can make one sound like a religious event and one a gang bang, but you are wrong to even try to label either way good or bad.
 
OSOK, the fact that you have that much land to hunt makes you extremely lucky. Not all of us do, and face facts, the east is more heavily populated which means less hunting ground and therefore, no need to stay out for days on end (although it sounds like a great hunting trip that I hope to experiance someday).

Just because you have to hunt that way, doesn't mean we put in any less effort. I spend every spare minute I have in the off season scouting and shooting to be ready for the next season. That's more time than most would care to think of. So you see we may not have to put in the same number of days in one hunt but we do put in that time throughout the year.

Oh, and by the way, I would welcome the chance to prove that it takes a whole heck of a lot to outhunt me with a bow. Every deer I've taken has been with a bow and all were earned (not over a feeder, pile of corn, and certainly not by watch re-runs on tv. I have never killed a deer with a gun and I probably never will. Every deer with a bow and very few misses to speak of over my 18 year bowhunting career.
 
Osok, good to see you again, dont believe we had a chance to get to know each other during your brief stay at Realtree.First, if I take off and stay somewhere for up to 10 days at a time the farmers around here would have me arrested for camping in theyre cornfields.Also I believe luck plays a role in finding a "muy grande" specimen of any species.Oustside of a high fence or heavily managed ranch that is.But somehow the majority of us cant afford to hunt these places.Matter of fact a lot of us have to rely on public ground for most of our hunting.You are really a lucky guy to have all this open space to hunt.Does it make you a better hunter than me.Probably not, a better walker maybe.Is that what you meant, I could call myself a really good walker if???Because the way you tell it walking is the hardest part of your hunt followed by finding the right deer and then figuring out a game plan.Im not sure where you get the idea all this walking makes you a better hunter though.And finally, Im sure there are bowhunters on this sight that would put me to shame.I have no problem admitting that.From what Ive seen theres a lotta wide open spaces out west and anyone who can stalk within bow range and get a shot at any type of deer has my respect.The first few years I bowhunted I admitt I sat in a tree all the time.The last three years Ive moved to more of a ground hunting approach, Ive found it opens up a lot of options i didnt have when sitting in a stand.Ill post more about that later.Ive killed several deer now from the ground inclding one that would probably go P&Y if I had him scored, but Ive found out that a lot, probably most of the time your gonna get nailed on the ground, thats what makes it more interesting for me anyway.So for those of you who can consitantly take a deer with a bow from the ground, you have my honest respect as a hunter.

Cooter,
I sometimes cut a shirtsleeve off for toilet paper in a pinch, its about the equivalant of a 4 ply toilet paper and you dont get blisters on your feet from using your socks.

Kingfish,
Try tying an apple to your dog, then the deer will chase him right back to you and he wont have to try and herd them so much

Knack,
What gets better gas milage, your ultralite or your monster truck?Just wondering, I may be in the market for one or the other someday.

BCboy,
I asked a smartass question and you gave me a really good reply, thank you.I prefer to spot and stalk deer here or to find a good ambush spot and wait for them.Ive tried tracking them in the snow and honestly havent got the hang of it yet.I must move to fast or not pay enough attention to whats in front of me.I usually wind up finding warm beds with no deer in them.I think its got a lot to do with me staying focused on the tracks and not seeing the deer when they get up but Im working on it.Honestly I still use treestands but 90% of the time I hunt from the ground anymore.Its got a lotta benifits in this open farmland around here.I can hunt a lotta open fields and stuff that guys in treestands cant.Also if I see a deer Im interested in I can manuver into better shooting positions or try to get ahead of them instead of sitting up high watching them walk by outta range.I seen those pics on the other site, that guys taken some awesome animals.And this year I crawled down a fenceline in a wide open beanfield to kill the buck i mentioned earlier.A P&Y size buck might not seem to big to you guys chasing the deer you get to chase but it was an awesome experience.I crawled almost a half mile and actually had to pass within 3 ft of the doe he was bedded with and get past her.I wound killing the buck from about 5 ft away with my bow,It was one of my more memorable stalks.Did you see the nontypical mule deer rack I posted on Realtree that scored 220 something?I thought maybe some of these guys might like to see it but aint sure if you can post pictures on here, can you?Well gotta go, thanks for everyones input, try not to trip on any muleys while your out walking around, I bet it hurts if you land on thier racks.
 
1 P&Y from the ground w/ your bow? Are you serious!!! Naaa, you gotta be chitten me, that's not possible... Way to go. I'm impressed. Now get out there and practice up some more, Son... ;)

Seriously,

Did you read the hole thing. Or only the one sentence that had to do w/ (what we westerners call) "Hiking". There is no such word as "walking" out here. Get that straight!!! And you'll make yourself look a bit smarter.

You sound like a out of the mold, type of whity hunter! Who may be able earn a bit of respect around here w/ the likes of iceholes like me, and your not so by the book ways. Lemme tell you one thing. We, as in me and my hunting buddies. Would never stoop to hunting in an elevated treestand for anything. Hell, I sat in one for about 5 minutes one time, and had to jump out because elk were going to walk by me 100 yards out!!! Excuse me... I'm supposed to wait fore them to come to me! I don't think so. Out here. You live and die by your stalking ability. Sometimes it's more difficult than others, as I'm sure you're well aware of. Any "accomplished" stalker definitely has my respect, big time...

Welcome to MM. Hopefully you'll be able to wade thru the schtuff to stick around a while... This place is definitely a bit different than Realtight!!! :)
 
WALKING around back in Iowa is easy, try a alittle hike up a Mtn to about 11,000 up and down draws steep as hell, I know I was born and raised in SD,Finding and killing a Book Whitetail is hard as all get out, But I think it harder to find and get to a book Muley, let alone kill him. HEY welcome to MM If you need a place to get your feet wet in Muledeer hunting let us know. You can come out and give it a try and see how you like it.(Tags need to be out in before Jan 30th) for UTAH
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 09:52AM (MST)[p]Gator, you meant to say 13,500ft, right?;) Don't down play things and try too make it sound more doable fore the rookies, just to be nice!!!:)

And on a lighter note! To answer you question! Yes... My out walking (as you would call it) hiking, is one of the utmost keys to success. Because where I find the big boys!!! You might make it in to the hell hole, (although I seriously doubt it). But they'd have to send the flight for life to pick you and your (if you got lucky, animal) up to fly you off the rock...;)

If you don't believe me. Just stick around fore a while, and get to know some of the regulars and passionate hunters around here. And I don't mean for a month or 2. A couple of years. So you can see fore your own 2 eye's, who talking smack. And who consistently takes big bucks, year in and year out!!!
 
Osok, Theres a lot more than one sentence that has to do with hiking that ive picked up around here, matter of fact most of the replies given have to do with walking great distances.Im impresed, you can walk ok.Walking and carrying a pack arent necasarily gonna make you a good hunter, that was my whole point.You can "Hike" and camp all you want but thats not really gonna make you a better hunter, all its gonna do is get you out where the game is.You can see what Im saying cant you?I could go hike around for 10 days carrying a 50 lb pack but if I cant get close enough to kill something or even find something to try and get a shot at does it mean Im a good hunter?As far as making myself look a bit smarter, well, the ability to hike dont really impress me much, its good for bird watching and stuff like that but i cant really see where its gonna make anyone a better hunter.

So you and your hunting buddies can go walking all you want and never come near a tree as far as Im concerned.You can also take a few things into account.We dont have mule deer, as many places in the country dont.We are in a farming state with roads crossing the land every mile, even if I wanted to I couldnt walk more than 2 miles without running into a road or house.Some of the properties I hunt are very small, walking through them would take about ten minutes, but in the process the deer are gonna run out the far end.On the other hand if you walk in a little ways and sit in a stand your liable to have one come past, So like I asked before, is this lazy or just common sense?And elk, well we dont have them either so Ive never had to jump out of a tree to head them off.

1 P&Y from the ground like I said might not sound real impressive to you hunting the deer you hunt.But again, in this little corner of Iowa killing one with anything is like winning the lottery.Stalking and killing one with a bow is like winning the lottery twice.

I guese my point is its got everything to do with location.You dont know nothing about me or the area I hunt.I dont know nothing about where you hunt.I came to find out more about how you hunt.I ask questions, get ignored mostly but I still ask.You run your mouth about the way you hunt being the only way to hunt and never bother to ask why somebody might hunt the way they do.And then you tell me how I can make myself look a bit smarter, You gotta be kidding.

As for earning the respect of iceholes like you, I wouldnt waste my time, I dont hunt to impress you, I dont hunt to get into the record books, and I dont believe the way I hunt is the way everyone should hunt, do what you enjoy.I didnt get in on any of the foodplot issues that started this post for that reason, I really dont care, I hunt for one person, me.
 
You're missing the point! I understand where you are coming from. I don't live in a "Box"... I've killed several "nice", whities, including w/ a bow!!! Point being! I don't think whity's are any different to hunt on the ground, than any other animal! If you want to try a difficult hunt. Try spot and stalk antelope on the prairie w/ a bow, and then come back and tell me how difficult it is to get up on a whity! PS, a decoy would be considered cheating in my book. You guy's want to know what is involved w/ some of our mule deer fanatical chasing adventures. And honestly, you said it yourself. You have no idea! And I can't convey to you through words, how physically taxing of a hunt, which is what makes it as difficult as it may be in many situations... As far as the actual hunt! If you can kill a whity on the ground. I'm sure w/ a lil practice, you can kill a mule deer or elk as well. That's not the point. Point is.... Will you even be able to make it to where the big boy lives??? And then back out again, w/ him on your back if you get lucky??? Thats the real issue.

Trust me. Not everybody hunts the way I choose. It can be done more easily! W/ money! Private land, and a few others. The way I hunt, is just the way I prefer, because of it's challenge. And to consistently take big mule deer bucks on public land, is one of the hardest things to do in the hunting world. Then again. That's just My opinion. And I know it don't mean squat.

PS- We're not so different! I hunt fore "me", only as well...
 
Horst,
For many of us serious Western hunters, physical fitness goes hand in hand with even being close to success on a regular basis. Hunting is a sport, and just like any sport it is physical. Sure we have our fat, out of shape hunters out here that drive around road hunting with a cigarette hanging out of their mouths, and every now and then one of those guys get's damn lucky on a big one. But, to have true success, on the true big ones, a guy has to really bust his a$$ out here.
In my younger days, I tried sitting in one of those climbing treestand contraptions to hunt whitetails around where I grew up. I managed to stay in it for about an hour. It was just too boring for me.
In recent years, I have built treestands in some of my muley honeyholes. And that is mainly to get a better view from the higher elevation. I stay in them 30 minutes max. Patience is a virtue they say. That may be true, but a small skinny runt like me gets pretty cold pretty damn fast if I ain't moving. And I certainly don't have the padding on my a$$ to sit for long periods of time either. LOL!
The fact is, young deer, whitetails or mule deer, are pretty stupid animals. It doesn't take much effort to have success on either. Too many guys out there, both East and West, think pretty highly of themselves as good hunters because they kill a lot of deer. They are fooling themselves. Small deer are easy to kill and it really doesn't take a lot of talent to drop them. But a hunter that has more than one big buck on the ground, one that passes up buck after buck after buck waiting for that "one" buck, that is a hunter that has some talent. True big bucks are big for a reason. They are smart. It really doesn't matter if you are hunting 5 acres or 500,000 acres a big ol' buck isn't easy. It don't really matter if it is a trophy whitetail hunter, or a trophy mule deer hunter, if they are outfoxing the big bucks on the big buck's own terms, they are a good hunter.
 
Gator, Id love to take you up on that but Im expecting my third kid in a couple months and this years $$ supply aint looking to good.Whats a non resident mule deer tag cost out there?Thanks for the offer though and if Im still lurking around here a year from now I might just take you up on it if the offer still stands.


Osok, Im not to sure but I think we got off on the wrong foot here.I did say I have no idea what goes into one of your hunts, thats why Im still here asking questions instead of just coming in, making a few smartass remarks and leaving.Occasionaly I let a smartass remark out but I aint perfect.Most of these guys have been real helpfull, some have a pretty good sense of humor just like I was told they did before I ever came over here.You on the other hand just cant seem to help bashing whitetails, treestands, my hunting methods, more or less everything Ive said.So I gotta ask, do you wanna talk about hunting or just see whos got the biggest #####?Cause thats the way you come across weather you mean to or not.

I actually got a pretty good idea of how taxing your style of hunting can be from your first post.I was just seeing if you had any idea what I was trying to say.Apparently you do.What you dont seem to be getting is that even if everyone wanted to we couldnt all hunt the way you do, you keep throwing in elk, antelope, animals you know we dont have around here.If you have the oppurtunity to hunt all these animals thats great, your a real lucky guy.And I mean that, I dont so theres really nothing I can compare what your saying to.And even if we had those animals here the countryside around here isnt made for these long hikes, camping, and having to pack deer out on your back.What Im saying is while you have to do what you do to get back where the big bucks are at, I couldnt if I wanted to in this area.Belive it or not, Im interested in your opinion, or else I wouldnt be wasting my time here.

With money, private land, and all that a guy could pretty much kill any size of any species of animal on the continent.I dont know about you but I havent got either and like you said, I prefer the way I hunt to a lotta what I see others doing.As for not being so different, maybe thats why we cant have a civilized discussion LOL.

Take care
Horst
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 02:01PM (MST)[p]You wanted to know my opinion. All beit, I'm headstrong, and set in my ways and what I think. Trust me. I have the pleasure of hunting w/ easterners (Califonians go in that group as well), on a regular basis... I know where you are coming from.

Everytime I laugh at the bubba's on the TV!!! My wife is alway's certain to remind me of just how lucky and fortunate I am, to have what I have... At least one of us has our head on straight! :)

Whitetails are fun to dink around w/. There's just no excitement factor in them fore me. Each to his own. You wanted to know why they are so hard to hunt, and what is involved. And I gave you my end of the spectrum. If your thinking this is uncivilized!!!

"He don't know me verwy welww, do he"...;) LOL
"Bugs bunny"!

PS- When you jump on a site. Say 4 words!!! And get accused of being a poacher... That doesn't say to many good things fore the rest of ya'll! :eek:

So don't mention the term "civility", to me!!! IMHO. RT is full of a bunch of hypocitical, wannabee's!!!
 
Real quick post here osok, did you just call me a hypocritical wannabe?Wasnt real sure if that was directed at me or not.Somebody called you a poacher huh.Was it me?Then quit stereotyping, Ive actually missed most of what went on in Realtree during the time you got banned and i never did get to read the foodplot posts or whatever it was that happened last.Matter of fact except for BCboy I dont think I said a bad word to any of you, and BCboy and I just had a little difference of opinion, we both got over it.Or I did anyway, he might still be mad and just pretending to be friendly I dont know.Your wife sounds like a very smart women, again your a lucky guy.Maybe you shouldnt watch so much tv, I think its clouding your judgement a little.Anything I mighta said to you over here was based on what you posted to me over here, Realtree has nothing to do with it.Like I said, Im not even sure what all tok place over there that started all this.And why would you lump Californians in with us, that makes no sense, theyre on your side of the river LOL.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 02:45PM (MST)[p]OSOK,
LMFAO! You certainly made an impression over there didn't ya. LOL! I may not have been as Ballsy as you but I have stirred the pot several times and still they have yet to axe me. The conspiracy theory still runs rampant though. I guess I can see how they think when now there's the likes of O-O posting over there. He'll be banished in less than a day. That's for sure. Why he hasn't been banished here I don't know. LOL!

Horst,
Don't be worried about OSOK. He may be an a$$ (HeHeHe) but he is really a great guy. He's like me, he likes to push buttons. If you stick round here, you'll see that we don't just stir the pot over at RT but we do it here as well. The comic relief eases the bordom between seasons. LOL!
I have a really good buddy that moved out West from Ontario. He was a hard-core whitey nut that hunted from tree-stands and did drives with dogs and the such. Hearing his stories of having the dogs turned loose in a small patch of brush with drivers and guys on stand all around and the big bucks still wouldn't come out. The little bucks would get blasted and they would see the tracks of how a big buck would have nerves of steel and stay bedded even with the hounds were only metres from them. It certainly gives a guy a good understanding of how smart heavily hunted big whitetail bucks can be.
But I have been able to convert my buddy to be a trophy muley fanatic that never thinks about much else other than giant mule deer. It has been great having his perspective because he is always trying to get me to use whitetail tactics on muleys, such as rattling, and they have worked for us.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 02:57PM (MST)[p]From the long live experience I had over there. (rolling my eyes), and having seen what they had "classified" myself and several of my buddies to be. I would say the only stereotyping being done, was on RT's part. Then again. Like you said. That's water under the bridge, IMO. Don't come in here expecting to stir the pot, w/o getting it handed back to ya. That's all I have to say!!!

PS-

If all I had to hunt was whities, and no money to make a westward adventure on a yearly basis! I'd probably end up going postal!!! :)

You live, and hunt Ioway, right? At least that's what I thought you said. If wacking a P&Y buck in that state, is like hittin the lotto to you! Then you are way out of your league, pal. Hate to say it. But I've never been shunned fore honesty!!! You live in one of the best states going right now for big freakin whities. I suggest you switch hunt areas, tactics, or just start all over and learn from the beginning. Which to me is what sounds like just where about your at... :)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 03:19PM (MST)[p]Horst,

I'll just end w/ this! I appreciate your answering your own question for us. You stated, that you guy's are not fortunate enough to have out there, what we have out here!!! That diversity, and the ability to cope and come up w/ successful solutions. Are some of the main factors, as to why I'll stand up here on the pulpit and preach this BS completely to you, and believe it. I'm not trying to be a prick. I've just never met, or hunted w/ an Easterner (Yes Cali boyeez are included), that ever had half of what it takes, to even have a clue as to what they are in fore!!! And I've hunted w/ more than 2 handfuls! I doubt I even have enough toes fore than matter...
 
To be honest, I think everyone has been missing the boat (myself included) on what makes hunting great. The Diversity of hunting styles and game to hunt. There is no real best way , just the way we enjoy it most. If that means you hike and enjoy being out then so be it.......on the same hand, if I sit in a tree stand and just watch nature unfold around me after months of scouting then that's fine too.

Hunting is hunting, no matter how many ways you slice it. You won't see me trying to get you to hunt my way, and all I ask in return is that you don't condemn me for doing it my way. I still have to put the time in, and let's face it, no matter how you hunt, you have to find the critters first.
 
Thanks TB(iminrut here, my user name was already taken over here, LOL)........I had to come over and check it out too. I am suprised on how some of the clan over here can sing a pretty loud tune when they're in these forums, but are pretty tame over there.........as far as banning goes, it's quite simple (and we do ban our own members, even mods from time to time).....outright personal attacks, or foul language will get you axed in a hurry....as far as myself, I try to let things ride as long as something constructive is being accomplished or there is a valid point to be made...........I don't mind difference in opinions as long as it's done maturely.....

And BCboy, don't wonder about being banned yet, heck, I actually like ya...LOL

Now as far as western hunting, I'm kinda in the middle....not eastern/not western.......we're pretty much flatlanders here, but we have a wealth of Mulies, along with Pronghorn and whitetails.......I love pursuing them all, especially with archery gear..............can't wait to hear all of your guys's stories....and share some of my own.......

Now you all quit the bickering about us fellas over at RT....we ain't no Jacky Bushwacker clones.......we're just guys that love to hunt and amke the most of what the outdoors and oppoertunities can afford us....
 
O-O,
The reason you got banned is because you are an idiot. Plain and simple. LOL!

Vt,
I think I'm all done with RT. The main reason being Buckee. You can't have an opinion over there that is contary to his or he'll continue to slam you. I'm tired to talking to the dude. Hope he realizes someday that you have to "walk the talk". He gives me a real bad taste, just like ol' Jackie and ol' Bill. The taste of Vomit.
Hope you stick around here. This is a fun place.
We ride each other all the time because that is part of our hunting heritage too. I guess it would be hard for you guys to understand because you don't get to be out in God's Creation, in the middle of nowhere, sitting around the fire under the stars, BSing with your hunting buddies. Telling stories about the ones that got away and the ones that didn't. Laughing so hard that your gut aches. That is part of the Western experience that so many of us enjoy.
 
Osok, again, its all about locaton.Drive 3 hours south or east of here and P&Y bucks arent hard to come by, but again your running your mouth instead of asking questions so Ill let it pass.We aint got the cover other parts of the state do and the life expectancy of a buck in this part if the states probably 2 yrs old.Its just to open for em to hide and the shotgun hunters aint real picky what they shoot.Add in a bad party hunting law where everyone can shoot everyone elses deer and its a real masacre around here for about two weeks in Dec on little bucks, thats why I switched to bow and muzzleloader.

About stereotyping , youre awfull quick to point out someone else doing it when your stereotype of whitetail hunters was what started this crap to begin with.Oh , wait, that got explained away as just your sense of humor, is there a difference.Anyway, this conversations going nowhere fast so I think Ill go look for a more productive post for now.
 
Bc, them big bucks will hang tight, scouting before season last year I walked up on a nice non typical in a little grass patch.He was laying pretty much in the open but musta thought he was hid, I walked past within 10 ft of him and he never even blinked.Never happens during season though.Osoks the least of my worries, if he dont realize that the whole United States aint like his back yard it dont affect me one bit.And he can criticize my hunting skills and methods all he wants but I cant recall ever hunting with him so Im not sure what hes based all this on, probably the half dozen posts Ive made.He might strike you as a great guy but I aint been real impressed so far, maybe thatll change, maybe not, but it dont matter much one way or the other I guesse.
 
OSOK

I didn't read this whole thread. Just parts..

OSOK, you are not giving whitetails bucks, big ones, the credit they deserve. Different strokes for different folks yes.. but no way in hell will you convince me a big mule deer is tougher to get on and put an arrow in than a truely big whitetail.

Antelope on the ground with a bow? Child's play.

When you kill a 160 whitetail on the ground with your bow, come back and talk about how easy they are.

Big mule deer are easy. You are making it sound like you have to wear a red cape and blue tights to kill one. Gimme a break.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 06:02AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 06:00?AM (MST)

Quote; "Whitetails are fun to dink around
w/. There's just no
excitement factor in them fore
me. Each to his
own."

OSOK, if that was the case, why did you feel it was necessary to come into our world and condemn that which we enjoy....to each his own, right ??




QUOTE: "PS- When you jump on
a site. Say 4
words!!! And get accused
of being a poacher...
That doesn't say to many
good things fore the rest
of ya'll! :eek:"

OSOK, I may have to agree with you on this one, but I think it relates on how you came onto the site and conducted yourself.....I'm all for differences of opinions and hearing everyones side......there is a difference between stating your business and starting trouble on purpose.....




QUOTE: "IMHO. RT
is full of a bunch
of hypocitical, wannabee's!!!"

OSOK, is that the pot calling the kettle black ?? I don't know you....you don't know me, or others for that fact.....for all I know you could be some loud mouth that hides behind a keyboard and talks trash, not really living the life he claims to pursue.....and I really could be that guy in the Jacky Bushwacker videos, cloning around like some gift to whitetail hunting...............but you know what, I'll take your word for it and appreciate and respect your style of hunting....I expect the same.........it's what adults with different backgrounds do.......

As far as my background........I'm a flatlander from ND, who pursues Muleys, Antelope and Whitetail feverishly with archery gear......it's the only way I'd have it........the farthest west I've been hunting is eastern Montana in the breaks........putting in for wyoming elk this spring.......anything I can stick an arrow in, is what I'm in to.........

Thanks for having me aboard, and I really hope to learn more about your guys' style of hunting.....I hope I can learn you a thing or two also.......

NOW, instead of this silly "I got banned" crap...........let's talk hunting !!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 06:29AM (MST)[p]Well said BC........man I actually agree with ya, LOL

Was saddened this year by the fact that the B&C Pronghorn I was after was pegged by a rifleman......I was within 70 yards of this buck a couple of times, belly crawling for the better part of two hours the one time......I was hoping to catch him in a weak moment and close the distance.....never happened.

It don't matter what make or model......when they are that caliber of animal, they are smart.........a bowbender I am.......P&Y's I've got.......still looking for that Booner.....

No need to leave RT......majority of us ain't but good guys that love to hunt.....not the Bushwacker clones that we've been painted to be..........heck, I've kinda appreciated your posts....Moosie needs to come back a little more too....just need to learn it's family oriented, clean and clear is how it's done.......you all can control yourself now can't ya...LOL
 
BCboy, I almost missed this post.It dosnt matter if your hunting 5 or 500,000 acres you are right.But, if youre confined to 5 acres would you hunt it the same way as you would say 500 acres?Knowing the only shot you would get at that buck is when hes on that 5 acres youd be less likely to do anything to push him out right?Thats when treestands and patience really come into play, on these smaller chunks of ground your pretty limited on options you can use without running the deer, any deer, outta the area.

Funny you mention using treestands to get a better view of things.I use them a lot for the same reason.By setting them up well back from where I expect to see the deer I can watch a good size area and figure out how the deer are using it.Then I can get a gameplan from those observations.Sometimes I just move the stand to a better location.Sometimes I use a ground blind.If either one of these stick out to bad Ill just use whatevers handy to sit it, brush, grass, thickets, etc...

I also bought a crotch stand for hunting on the move.A lotta times Ill carry it in somewhere Ive never hunted and when i find a good looking spot I can set it up in about two minutes without all the commotion that goes along with hang on stands.With that, a couple screw in steps, and a folding saw, Im only carrying about 5 lbs and can hunt just about anything with it.Its kinda handy cause you can scout an area and hunt at the same time.And when you cant figure an area out it dont take long to set it up just to see what the deer are doing like I mentioned above.

Its true also you cant kill big bucks without passing up little ones.Its also true a big buck is a misleading term.It really means different things in different areas.You cant go someplace that doesnt have 170 class deer and realisticaly expect to wait for one.Around here something with over 100 inches of antler could be cosidered a good buck.Go a couple hours south or east and the antler size jumps dramaticly.The hunting tactics and weapons dont vary any from here to there but the habitat does and gives em a lot better chance of living past two years old.Its just little things like that that can really make a difference, IMHO.Same thing could hold true with the 5 or 500,000 acre thing.If that 5 acres has whats needed for a buck to reach good size Ill take that over 500,000 acres of beanfield anyday LOL.
 
Imstillinrut,
If Buckee would try some of that West Cost Weed that grows around his place and lightened up a bit I would probably stick around. But he is so uptight that he gives Real Tight a new name. Must be trying to grow diamonds or something. LMFAO!
I just don't like the Comunist style of leadership over there that anyone with a opposing view gets slammed and deleted.
The fact I've been very clean and most of the mods (not you) get panties in a knot because I stir the pot because I share my actual opinion. I don't see the site as very fun or informitive. Just read the Forums with a different perspective than usual today and you'll see what I mean. Someone asks a question like "Yes or No to Food Plots" The sheep all say the same thing. And then if one goes against the flow they get blasted. Why the question in the first place? When some one posts a pic of a deer, the same comment is said a billion times, "Nice Deer" Come on people, show some originality. Buckee puts on this image as being a caring person who had his Christmas day ruined because of some internet trolls. The guy sets himself up as if he is the Saviour of the site. I really think he is just a burned out old hunter that has forgot what it is like to actually be in the field (in the field get it? HeHeHe) and spends 24/7 behind the computer screen. Sad really. I say, time to get some fresh air or at lets some BC BUD! LOL!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 11:06AM (MST)[p]You got to know the whole story on Buckee.....he's good people. He takes his moderatorship seriously, and we all respect him for that.......and if the man only had a penny to his name, he'd find a way to get you .02 if you needed it.......this whole mess over there was senseless, and Buckee was simply trying to sort it out....an impossible task if you ask me, LOL

We aren't afforded the time to be in the trenches all of the time, so occasionally a topic get's away on us.....it probably would have been best to delete the original OSOK thread right off the bat and save some of the vulgarities.....but I let it slide so everyone could get their "points" across....alas, it backfired........crap does happen I guess....

I say we cut all of the cords, shake hands and start over.....I think a few of us have already accomplished/accomplishing that.......
 
Imstillinrut,
The whole OSOK post has been water under the bridge long ago with me. LOL! It was actualy a real good laugh.
I've tried to shake hands and make up with good ol' Buckee and yet he still rules with an iron fist. It's his personal attacks that continue to go unchecked that I have a problem with that's all. He maybe a good guy, probably a hell of a nice guy, but he ain't showed that to me or anyone else from MM. I have seen some of our guys (including me) playing very nice over there and still getting slammed by Buckee.
I know he's reading this, so maybe that's why I'm being so hard on him over here. LOL! I guess it gives you guys lots to talk about in the Mods Forum eh? LMAO!
 
I've been reading this forum for quite awhile, long before the "Realtree contoversy" ever started. I've been a member over there for a couple of years. I usually like to leave well enough alone but alot of nonsense has been spoken, maybe on both parties behalf, likely so. First of all my wife may take offense to the fact that I've been labelled an overweight "Bubba" because I am a realtree member. I like to think of myself as a very fit 28 year old guy, who has in fact hauled a 50 pound bag of corn into the woods, not to hunt over mind you, but to help the deer out. Hey I might hunt over it if I thought a big buck may visit during shooting hours but I know the chances of this are rather seldom and I'd rather spend my time being "lazy" in a tree stand elsewhere, perhaps watching a large alflafa field, but then again this isn't fair chase apparently. Damn those farmers for putting out 160 acre food plots, damn them all. I don't do much "hiking" anymore, unless I'm tromping around looking for sheds. I know that one pass through a big whitetails territory and forget about a glimpse, that's why I choose the lazy way, and wait and hope on the "food plots". But more often than not it's an apparition of a big buck showing up than the reality of it. I guess you could say my method of hunting is easy and not fair chase but come to Saskatchewan in December and spend 8 hours, 30 feet up in a big Spruce tree and tell me it's easy on the body. The cold numbs everything, especially the mind, No amount of clothing helps, everything just ceases. I've walked miles upon miles in a day hunting Mulies along the south Saskatchewan River, granted it is not to be compared to the mountains of B.C or other western states but man it's easier than spending a day hanging from a limb, mentally especially. I try not condemn anybody's method of hunting, as long as it's legal, then I try not worry about it. I think we all should have this state of mind, we'd all get along a hell of alot better and could spend time sharing more pictures and stories than belittling each other like some pre pubescent teenagers. If you want to hunt a food plot, go ahead, if you want to spot and stalk, right on, if you want to sit ina tree, go for it, to each his own I say. Whichever method YOU choose I wish you luck.

By the way, I've disagreed alot over the years on realtree, haven't been banned or anything as such. If I did it intentionally to start a bag of worms, maybe I would have been. I'm not trying to say either place is a better place to visit or either group of people is better than the others, I'm just saying that there are more important things to worry about than "the other guys" way of doing things.

I'm just a guy from Saskatchewan who likes "bone", not a fellow who'll tell you his way is best, or toughest, or which species is superior to the other, to each his own right. I like bucks and I like this sight, I like realtree too. BCBOy, know who I am, I've sent him some pictures, that's what I want to do, share hunting stories, not argue over who's right and who's wrong. Stop the name calling boys.

Kaare (Bubba) Gunderson
aka "Saskman" at realtree (Cam stole my name for this sight)
 
Uuuuhhhhhhhhhhh. Hey Beavis! He said he likes "Bone"!!! Uuuhhhhh, Uuuhhh, Uuuhhhhhhhhhhhh.
 
BC, I think if you went in and talked with buckee some, without the mention of past threads, you'ld see that he's one of the nicest and most giving folks around anywhere.

No need to leave RT, you seem to have a way of putting your point across and making an impression with it. I've seen you do it and you did so without vulgarity......that will only get you respected by the longterm members and mods. at RT.
 
OSOK,
LOL! Man, you can sure be an A$$ sometimes. Grow up Man! LMAO!

Kaare,
Post up some pics of those bad boy sheds of yours. They are pretty SWEET! I think I read on RT that you didn't know how to post up pics but I didn't know if you were just pulling their legs or what. I could post them for ya if you want. Do you have pics of those new ones you found. I'd love to see them.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 02:34PM (MST)[p]Rut,

OK, maybe I should've included a "Real deer hunter need not apply clause". Lumping whity hunters together as one, was just an easier way to go about it. Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Kansas, and has takin 7 or 8 P&Y class bucks in a row now, all from the ground. So, I do realize that yes! There are some good whity hunters out there as well. As far as calling the kettle black!!! I was never given the chance to defend my self. My RT, career was all of about 1 hour and 5 minutes long. In which time I was the only one, whom had any volgarities pointed towards!!! Seroiusly, I hate to say it. But visiting your site, and getting to know ya'llz the lil' bit that I have. Has only strenghthened the deep down inner feeling that started all this to begin w/. To put in bluntly!! I only took things, were you boyz led them!!! It could've went any direction. Instead of "Manning" up. Everybody started popping off, and the rest is history! The post that intrigued me, was the "Best deer hunter", thread ya'll had going on. And I was planning on leading my thread, to conjoin w/ that topic. I guess as to shed a bit of light, why I feel that some of the best deer hunters out there are probably from the West. Which I felt had 0 respresentation! It's all a dead issue w/ me. Honestly, RT is pretty gay, IMO... Then again. Who's asking. I don't think there was anything wrong w/ waking the old folks home up, though.

PS: What flavor of sinker, is you boyz favorite over there on Realtight??? LMAO :)

Just my 1 cent
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 04:27PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-04 AT 04:25?PM (MST)

Keep lumpin' us together as "you all over there", is what got you in trouble to begin with.....we all ain't the same, but your to close minded to see it......you're entitled to your opinion, and I gave you plenty of chances to express it, and you ain't the only one that got banned.....and they all ain't form MM or from the west......we ban all people equally....gotta keep the special interest groups in mind, LOL

Actually you did have some good points, and the west did need some representation.....but "you all" are used to representing yourselves in a certain manner that is permitted by some boards......it is clearly expressed that certain behavior is not tolerated under the rules you registered at RT....you play by the rules or your gone.....we simply uphold those rules as we were chosen to do.....there is still some representation from the west...from some MM members none the less....is that all bad ??

Now enough of this childish yacking......does anybody have anything better to do........like talk hunting ??!! This is all giving me a friggin headache, LOL
 
OSOK, you're so witty!!!LMAO!!!! In fact I like "bone" so much I'm holding onto one with over 6" mass right now. You've got a 50-50 shot of guessing if the base is packed with bark or nice and fleshy!!!!
Oh by the way....by talking to Beavis you must be Butthead!!!LMAO
 
RE: OSOK

Heck yeah OSOCK. That would do the trick. Let's see a photo of that huge archery buck.

As I'm sure you are really aware, big mule deer bucks are easy. Dumber than #####. The only reason they are tough to get is because they are rare to find at a mature age. They get killed so easily before they ripen up into a real trophy.

Big bucks don't take blue leotards, they require limited hunting pressure though one of the following, tough country, restricted hunting with quotas and/or managed private ground. Otherwise, they get nailed at an early age... because they have the brains of a pigeon.
 
HORST:

I have been following this thread and the RT drama for some days. Compliments to you for asking intelligent questions and showing a real desire to learn. You are in the thick of mule deer knowledge on this sight.

I agree with you on your last point: Not every area produces B&C Trophy class bucks, but every area has its own "trophies." The biggest buck I have seen come off the mountain I hunt in Utah the past 10 years is only 28 inches wide. But he was a giant compared to the multiple 23-24 inch 4 points the area produces. Such a buck can be called a "trophy for the area".

And you are right, you have got to work your tail off to bag such a trophy, regardless of the area. In my estimation, the odds on finding such a buck, one that is a "cut above" what the area normally produces, is one in a thousand. Maybe more.

Hunting Mule Deer is not just about bagging the giants, although we all pursue that hope. Mule Deer hunting is more about the quest and the preparation that can take months of spotting, sighting, planning, researching, and hiking into your area to pattern your prey. For me, it is also about training my horses, taking them on many overnight rides all year long to condition them for the big hunt and long haul in (and out).

One detail I recall from your past thread had to do with the size of land you hunt on vs. the size of land we often hunt in the west. You seemed to draw the conclusion that a Whitetail hunter had to be much more silent and cautious than a western Muley hunter because he didn't have the luxury of vast timbered acreage to hunt. The implication is that a Muley hunter can make more noise and still be successful. Funny, but that is a trap that greenhorn muley hunters always fall into.

The acoustics in the mountains, the canyons and bowls especially, make it so that sound is transmitted for miles! And any sound out of place will push wary bucks out of dangers way and you will NEVER see them. We have all seen hunters do this to their prey unknowingly (as we spot them and the bucks they push out, a mile or more away). It is actually quite common to hear muffled conversations from hunters talking along the trail, when they are so far away that it is difficult to decipher their faces though binoculars!

My brother likened this 'need to be silent' phenomenon to a rock thrown in a placid pond. Your ripple is felt far and wide. The key for success is to settle so well into the "behavior" and "personality" of the primitive area you hunt that your ripple actually ceases, and calmness returns for square miles around you. The animals become comfortable, natural sounds the critters and canyons make returns, and you are accepted as a natural part of the area. But this requires silence.

I also appreciated your point on patience. It is clear the treestand hunter has to hold tight for hours, but the time spent waiting and watching isn't too unlike the hours spent glassing from a high vantage point.

I have enjoyed your curiousity and dare say that one mule deer hunt would answer all your present questions, and hook you 'for life' with a million more. I hope you will make that hunt this year.

All the best,

***Sperca
Utah Native
Philadelphia Resident
Avid Hunter
An American
 
Well said Sperca....by the way, you coming back to Utah anytime soon to hunt our "MONSTERS"...cause even thought BCBOY says there arent any left here, there are!!

OSOK.....

LMFAO!! THe funny thing is that when I read the post, before I got to your post, the first thing that ran through my head was Beavis and Butthead saying exactly what you said.....it made your post twice as funny....at least for me!!


Saskdude:6" inches of mass...is that it! Remeber, to score well you need tine length and mass.....

TUFF---"Proud owner of a real BONER....i mean BOONER"
 
QUOTE: "My brother likened this 'need to be silent' phenomenon to a rock thrown in a placid pond. Your ripple is felt far and wide. The key for success is to settle so well into the "behavior" and "personality" of the primitive area you hunt that your ripple actually ceases, and calmness returns for square miles around you. The animals become comfortable, natural sounds the critters and canyons make returns, and you are accepted as a natural part of the area. But this requires silence"

Sperca....this reminds me of an article in Field and Stream several years ago about "The Man Who Touches Deer" or something to that effect.........it mentioned the "ripple" affect that an intruder (human) causes in the woods, when birds cease singing and chirping and all creatures are on full alert..........a man needs to learn to adapt and blend............great points.

I can see we all have some great discussions in the future....I hope to share and learn more...
 
Tuffbucker, I must admit I like your user name. I'm not here to get into a pissing match, just to check some stuff out and see some pics.
As you can tell from my name you're not the only one who's the proud owner of a real boner.....oops I mean Booner!
 
Horst: a out-state Utah tag for Muleys is $208.00 If you can't make it this year your welcome to come out next year. You might want to sent in this year just for the bonus point cost like 5 bucks, you will need those bonus points down the line if you want to hunt in trophy areas in several years. My number is on my profile if you want to call and shoot the $hit. Hey everyone knows that South Dakota is the place, LMAO
 
RVSASK205,

Thanks man. I like my user name to. It was a sort of nickname given to me back in my rodeo days after a little dance hall scuffle.

Anyways, Welcome to Monster Muleys. Hope you sick around a while. Its good to see someone who can dish it out to some of these little smart a$$es we have around here. LOL!

Well pull up a seat,open a beer(or rootbeer if youre like me and dont drink) and share some of your pics and stories!!

TUFF
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-22-04 AT 03:40PM (MST)[p]Kaare,
I posted up your pics for you under the General Hunting Forum.
 
Tuff, I guess I better be nice to you. I've been to my share of Rodeo dances and know to steer clear of any cowboy who has earned the nickname "Tuffbucker" LMAO

On a serios note, thanks for the welcome, look forward to sticking around and sharing some bull$&!#!!
 
So who's doing all the banning over there, Billy "Bad-Arse" Jirdone himself? Got no use for that group of Blinkeys...
 
OK- After a month now I have been forever banished from the RT site.
Seems one of the moderators (Buckee) that we all remember calling us chocolate covered buddies has a lapse in memory. Remember he did this on Martin Luther King Day as well.

My attempts at opening minds on ways to hunt saw more action on there site than any others I have seen. Seems many were interested or entertained with my so called closed mind views on food plots and baiting deer.
They seem to think the word lazy is the worst swear word the world has ever seen. OHHH my gosh I said lazy.LMAO

Some of the guy's from RT that replied to this post a month ago and that agreed now are up in arms defending this type of shooting as actually hard.
Guess RT does not know what free speech is all about or how to handle an open minded person who thinks buying "Deer Cocaine" and such to lure in deer and shoot them from a tower is not fair chase. They actually think it is very hard. LOL

I guess I was too stubborn or bullheaded to let it go. I only hope I reached a few of them so that they can enjoy hunting instead of just shooting.
Best,
Jerry
 
I realized it was a lost cause after about the second post, Jer! Sorry to of wasted your time... :)
 
Knack you really need to pull your head out of you tail. Buckee made that comment in regards to M&M's you moron, and you turned it into a racist thing. You weren't getting your point accross so you resorted to trying to make another person look like a racist.......that comment is what caused the big boss to put a "hit" out on you.

Oh yeah, you never did say what the one way (your way) was to be a proper hunter.
 
I'm glad I've been gone from my pc for the past couple weeks........doesn't look like missed much..........and I hate to say it, but you've still got Buckee pegged all wrong......

Now I've kept pretty quite on the whole "baiting" and "harvesting" issues...........so lets' get down to brass tacks.........we don't hunt to necessarily "harvest" a deer........we hunt to kill....I know I do....I revel in a well placed shot.....I truely appreciate the hunt, but completing the hunt is what thrills me.........

No don't get me wrong.......I love the outdoors, and thank God for blessing me with so many opportunities to enjoy it.........but I like to place an arrow in as many vitals as I can...............

Now alot of folks, I think are to embarrassed or afraid to claim such lunacy............me believes these fine folks aren't afforded wealth or even the good fortune to have been raised in good hunting terrain.........so they must use what tactics there are to fulfill their primal urges and needs..........no matter what kind of predator you are, the name of the game is finishing the game........so "animals" just go about differently.......sometimes more efficiently.....

How's 'bout that for ranting ?? Sorry knack, for highjacking your topic, LOL
 
Jerry,
I gave up on that site shortly after New Years because of how that Buckee was treating everyone. They can say he's the world's nicest guy all they want, I never saw it. Instead, he was nothing but an A$$hole. If you have a different oppinion to his you're then labeled a $hitdisterber. Not my cup of tea at all. Just a bunch of Bill Jordan and Jackie Bushwhacker wannabe's anyways.
 
QUOTE: "Just a bunch of Bill Jordan and Jackie Bushwhacker wannabe's anyways. "

You've got me all wrong........I'm more like a Grizzly Adams wannabe.......minus the bear......I don't like bears....:D
 

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