San Carlos Elk Question

couesmaniac · Jan 20, 2005

I saw a Huge rack at a hunting show in Safford Az last summer The thing was unbelievable the plaque said largest bull ever taken my buddy said he had heard that a few of the racks were in question due to traces of steroids found in them any truth to this? I didnt believe him because I have seen, and killed a quality bull from unit 27 anyone have any info Thanks CM

HullinPhx · Jan 20, 2005

None of the Elk taken off the reservation are in the record books

kilowatt · Jan 20, 2005

Might have been the Shipsey Bull, but then that is another story in its self.

Brian

Hawkk33 · Jan 21, 2005

Why are none of the bulls taken off the SC in the books ? not good enough or what ?

twaddell · Jan 21, 2005

That's not true. I know that at least two of the top non-typicals of all time, and two of the top typicals of all time all came from the San Carlos, and all are entered in Boone and Crockett.

apache7mm · Jan 21, 2005

couesmaniac, this the rack you seen?

SHIPSEY BULL 10x9 NT
502 6/8 gross
487 NET

DAN

couesmaniac · Jan 21, 2005

That's it awesome Bull no doubt thanks for the photo CM

couesmaniac · Jan 21, 2005

Whats the story?CM

cbryant11 · Jan 21, 2005

i heard a rumor that was this bull cant be entereed because the guy who killed it had been convicted of poaching in the past ,, although iam not sure if this is really the truth,,,but it is a huge bull cbryant

TRice · Jan 22, 2005

The Bulls on the San Carlos spend the summer playing baseball for the Arizona Diamondbacks!

Texas_Hunter · Jan 23, 2005

Here are a couple pics of that bull

Field Photo

couesmaniac · Feb 6, 2005

Very nice pictures but no one answered my question does anyone know?CM

Hawkk33 · Feb 6, 2005

My question would be, what precipitated the need to test the antlers? Heard about that bull on here but I never got the straight 411 on it so I would be interested to hear all the specifics about it .

The steriod question would make a person draw the conclusion that you are saying that the bulls on the San Carlos are medically enhanced.. correct ? When in reality the F&G manage those herds to achieve bulls that size so that they can sell those tags for such a high price.

huntazido · Feb 7, 2005

cm,
The reason people aren't answering your questions is because we have all heard the rumors and inuendo over the last few years. However, nothing has ever been proved. Most of us on here are reluctant to perpetuate the myths surrounding this elk. There are many unanswered questions and it sure would be nice to know the truth no matter what it is. Until then, maybe it's better not to say anything at all unless a person has verifiable facts they can offer.

John

Lv2hnt · Feb 8, 2005

Shipsey, who killed that huge bull back in '97, has issues dealing back to hunting infractions from earlier sheep hunting in western Canada; hence the absence of listing of the San Carlos bull with B&C (nothing to do with any steroid-inducement by the San Carlos tribe) ...

Lv2hnt

couesmaniac · Feb 8, 2005

Thank you for the comments I didnt want to open any old wounds I was just curious it is an amazing bull I will take the last two hunters comments and form my own judgement thanks for the pictures also CM

need2hunt · Feb 8, 2005

When are they gonna' put this rack on one of those sportsmans' show tours!!!

IdahoMuley · Feb 8, 2005

wasnt that elk on some movie i think i have seen it somewhere before?
Muley Man!

couesmaniac · Mar 26, 2005

No Answers???

AZbowhntr · Mar 28, 2005

I could be wrong but the F&G has nothing to do with the bulls on the San Carlos. They are managed by the tribe. You do not have to draw a tag to hunt them. Just have to have very deep pockets. Somewhere around $40K deep by the time you buy the tag and pay the guide that you have to have and any trophy fees.

kwp · Mar 29, 2005

I have also heard that the tag was actually in his wifes name not his, so although the San Carlos really didn't care because they got their money, BC would not accept it. Just another rumor

AZtrophyhunter · Mar 30, 2005

I seriously doubt the bulls were given steroids. They have all that land up there & the tribe only allows a few to be taken every year. All of those elk are gonna get massive as helllllll because they manage it right & the land has the potential to produce those kind of creatures. Have you seen the video? Every single bull on there is 350 or more & I really doubt they go around in chute planes shooting them all in the ass with roids or puting it in their hay or whatever.

ALLMASS · Mar 30, 2005

True Dat AZTrophyhunter. Genetics+Nutriants+AGE CLASS=BIG!

RockyMtnOyster · Mar 31, 2005

>I seriously doubt the bulls were
>given steroids. They have all
>that land up there &
>the tribe only allows a
>few to be taken every
>year. All of those elk
>are gonna get massive as
>helllllll because they manage it
>right & the land has
>the potential to produce those
>kind of creatures. Have you
>seen the video? Every single
>bull on there is 350
>or more & I really
>doubt they go around in
>chute planes shooting them all
>in the ass with roids
>or puting it in their
>hay or whatever.

AZtrophyhunter,
this ain't no after school special, those bulls on the San Juan are friggin monsters!! BIACH