Locked bulls to the death video

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I just had a freind show me some video of 2 very nice bulls in northern utah that where locked together this last saterday while he and his father where on a limitted entry elk hunt and allthough shakey in some of the video he has 10 to 15 min of this that is perfact and very up close.

After a couple hours they tried to free the bull but soon found out the hard way the bull was not quit ready for there help and now he has a few good war wounds to show for his good try so after the bull tries for another hour to free himself he finaly gives up and they get them free ..

I was very inpressed with the video and though how many people have got the chance to see such a thing?

But the real question is if he had shot the live bull which he had a valid tag for would he have been able to keep both sets of horns or not ???

And he wanted to know if the video was worth anything???


UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
I'll give him $6 and the postage to send it to me.

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
Hi Clint,

Due to certain guides pushing laws related to"permitted users", you must now be permitted in any National Forest in order to sell or (profit) from, pictures or movies. As so if your buddy filmed this on National Forest property, it is "worthless". If he sells it and profits in any way, he could face heavy penalties.

It's too bad a few cry baby guides had to push this law through. Now if I kill a good animal on "Public" ground, take a picture and have it published in a magazine, I must not profit 1 cent. Even if I accept a one year subsciption, I would be guilty of this new law.

If it was filmed on private property, you could probably sell it for some $$$. It sounds like some real cool footage!!
Later,
Snowman
 
I think it was on BLM or school property but I dont know for shure I would like to have him get it out there so everyone could see it..

But my main Question is if he would have had his father shoot it what would have happened with the other bull if they had video and proof of them being locked up ????

I hope that everyone has a great fall in the woods I know that my friend and his father did and will never forget it

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Ut
 
>But my main Question is if
>he would have had his
>father shoot it what would
>have happened with the other
>bull if they had video
>and proof of them being
>locked up ????

Absolutely not. In fact if you are out hunting and had run across a dead bulls head, antlers attached to the skull, you cant tag it and take it home. You have to make the kill. There were some poaching cases in CO where people would go out, shoot a monster deer / elk, chain the antlers to a tree then return in the spring and say they found it "antler hunting".

If you didnt kill it, the only "found" antler you can keep is one naturally dropped with the rounded pedicle, it can not be attached to a skull.

Check your local state regs though, perhaps some states have different restrictions / exceptions but most in West follow this guideline.


-DallanC
 
Good question as that lies in a grey area. Thing is if it is hunting season and your heading to town with 2 racks and only one tagged, better hope you don't get checked by the DOW.
My guess is the DOW will tell you no but who knows. Be interesting to know what they would say though.
dutch
" Man who excels at putting worm on hook is Master Baiter"
 
I believe if the horns are locked and you killed the bull that had won the fight you keep both sets as is...dont separate them and check them with the game dept...Ive seen pics in the news paper of guys shooting late season whitetail with another bucks head attached...one guy had his mounted that way...no different than having barbwire or something wrapped in the horns...my thought is if two full grown elk couldnt get them apart a human may have a tough time without a saw...
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-29-05 AT 03:51PM (MST)[p]dallanc

you said if it is attached to the skull you cant keep it. do you know which states that applys in. i dont think it applys for wyoming because i see people with heads all the time taking them out. i have heard of this before and was wondering if you knew.
 
>If you didnt kill it, the
>only "found" antler you can
>keep is one naturally dropped
>with the rounded pedicle, it
>can not be attached to
>a skull.
>



Here is a twist on this: What if you arrowed a bull in 2004 and could not find it, but did find the same bull (very distinctive) in 2005. Can you put you 04 tag on it and take it home?
 
I dont know about deer but it shouldnt matter with elk...elk is a federal animal so the rules should be the same in every state...
 
fletch,
Can you explain how elk are a "federal" animal? Are you saying that they are similar to migratory waterfowl such as ducks and geese? I've never heard this before and am in need of some clarity. Scott/couesbitten
 
What? So what makes a elk a federal animal and a deer not. That makes no sence. I don't know about other states but I know as DallanC metioned in Utah you can not have the attached horns/antlers of a big game animal unless you have a tag.

Mark
 
I totally agree with all of you with the horns on the skull...I may be wrong but...I do believe elk are federally protected or governed or whatever you want to call it like geese...If you get caught poaching a deer it is a crime against the state or county in which the crime happened...if you poach an elk it is a federal offense. Now I might be wrong...I have heard this more than once but am by no means claiming to be an authority! Im sure there is somebody on this site that can set me straight?
 
Elk are not under federal jurisdiction,only if it was taken illegaly and taken across state line (Lacy Act). Each state has their own game codes about pickups. Here in Wyoming, you can pickup a skull, although you should have it tagged by a game warden. Most of the western states have a pact that if a trophy animal (ie 6x6 bull) was poached in WY or whatever, then that person would lose hunting priviliges in all the others states in the pact for x number of years.
 
Thanks for clearing that up...which brings up the next question...why is a goose federal and say a pheasant not? is it because geese migrate through multiple states and/or countries?
 
That's a question better answered on the goose/waterfowl forum. Just kidding, I believe that is the reason, they migrate from state to state as well as between countries.
Scott/couesbitten
 

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