Desertflinger
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This was sent to me and was supposidly killed in Eastern Idaho on a guided hunt. I was told it scored 502 2/8. Any one know more???
World record 502 archery elk?
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This was sent to me and was supposidly killed in Eastern Idaho on a guided hunt. I was told it scored 502 2/8. Any one know more???
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RLH
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first off, ain't no way that's a 502 bull. not b&c anyway. damn nice one for sure, but no 500 bull. second, i'm pretty sure that's a farm bull photo that was floatin' around here a couple weeks back. some rich dude from new mex killed 2 huge bulls on the same farm. at least that was the story. big bulls, but pen raised.
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That's what I thought.
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I agree, no way thats 502. Nice bull though- if it was not behind a fence
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I agree with the fenced hunt comments... look at the 2 pictures, they were obviously taken in 2 different places. Without being able to drive a truck or an ATV right up to the thing, how would you move it being whole? And even with an ATV, that's a pretty impressive haul.
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This is a HIGH fenced bull.
It has been scored by SCI (Safari Club International) scorers at an incredible 502 2/8 SCI. This bull will become the new SCI world record bull (taken with any weapon).
The other bull was shot in 2004 and is an incredible bull scoring 447 SCI. Both are MONSTERS raised on the same High Fence Ranch.
It has been scored by SCI (Safari Club International) scorers at an incredible 502 2/8 SCI. This bull will become the new SCI world record bull (taken with any weapon).
The other bull was shot in 2004 and is an incredible bull scoring 447 SCI. Both are MONSTERS raised on the same High Fence Ranch.
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MartinHunter
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Nice bulls, would like to get the whole real story....
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drahthaar
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Ouch.
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bobcats
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.....the rest of the story.
http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2005/10/18/amazing-502-world-record-bull-elk/
http://blog.kingsoutdoorworld.com/2005/10/18/amazing-502-world-record-bull-elk/
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Oldshed
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I am sure this guy is an OK guy.. and I bet he didnt start this madness.. Its just too bad that there wasnt a disclaimer on the photo or something "high fenced"
In my opinion, photos/storys/rumors. about these bulls take away from the guy that goes out and kills a 320 350 or 380+ bull
on a legit hunt. Its quite an accomplishment to kill a 330 bull in most states.. and a 350 bull is a damn big bull.
OS
In my opinion, photos/storys/rumors. about these bulls take away from the guy that goes out and kills a 320 350 or 380+ bull
on a legit hunt. Its quite an accomplishment to kill a 330 bull in most states.. and a 350 bull is a damn big bull.
OS
I would rather take a much smaller bull on an unguided, solo, public-land hunt. But that is my opinion and personal preference. If this guy wants to pay the money for this type of hunt that is his business- not yours and not mine. He's not trying to pass this off as a "fair chase" kill so I think people should lay off the guy. On the other hand, I don't think that SCI should allow this into their record books.
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Oldshed
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I agree..
This does open my eyes up to SCI and I personaly think less of SCI whenever I see "scores ### SCI"
on magazine articles..
I will be wondering was it high fenced or not? its an SCI score
This does open my eyes up to SCI and I personaly think less of SCI whenever I see "scores ### SCI"
on magazine articles..
I will be wondering was it high fenced or not? its an SCI score
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RLH
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all you have to do to be an official sci scorer is take a one hour class at one of their conventions. you can pretty much score any animal at whatever you want to score it. still don't see 500 inches of horn there. from what i remember, unless they've changed things, sci doesn't even have a spread credit. how's any elk gonna go 500 with no spread? there's a lotta bone there, but i have more respect for a guy who kills a spike, fairchase. hell, even a cow. sci is a joke. i cuss the hell outta b&c, but at least they some real rigid rules. and fairchase is always paramount. if folks wanna go on the "executive" hunts, fine. but don't act like you're super hunter for doing it.
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There is definitely a buzz going around about two monster bull elk. Some rumors say there is a legit world record bull scoring over 500 inches taken with a bow. Some saying it is from idaho, others saying possibly from Arizona. Then there are photos of another huge bull, likely taken the same year?by the same guy? A lot of questions, but what are some of the correct answers?
The message boards and emails are going crazy with this topic and the photos that continue to circulate about these big bulls. Some are posted with truths, some totally made up falsehoods, and others with a little bit of both.
I was fortunately to talk with the hunter of both of these bulls. Kevin Reid was the lucky hunter to take down not one of these huge bulls, but both of them. Contrary to what many may think, these two bulls were not taken the same year. One was taken last year during the 2004 season and the other this year. Now the big question?Are these fair chase bulls?
Kevin Reid was hunting a private high fenced ranch in Idaho in 2004 and came across two monster bulls running together. Kevin ended up taken one of the bulls with his bow at just over 30 yards. The bull is an incredible bull scoring 447 SCI. After the season, the ranch owner called Kevin and told him he thought the other bull that was running with the bull Kevin shot was even bigger. Sure enough, Kevin went back for the 2005 season. After three weeks of hunting, he finally got within bow range of this bull. This bull has been scored by SCI (Safari Club International) scorers at an incredible 502 2/8 SCI. This bull will become the new SCI world record bull (taken with any weapon).
So will these bulls be eligable for Pope & Young or Boone & Crockett? No, they will not. They were taken in a high fence arrangement, and therefore will not be eligable. They will be entered in SCI and be not only one of, but two of the biggest bulls recorded. Even in high fence, there has never been a 500 inch bull taken before. The only bull ever taken by a hunter that scored over 500 inches (gross score) is the Mike Shipsey Bull. Mike Shipsey shot this bull in 1997 on the San Carlos Reservation. This 11?10 point bull scores 502 6/8 gross, 487 net non-typical B&C. However, the Shipsey bull has not been entered (or accepted) into the B&C Club. The San Carlos Fish and Game in Arizona has a replica of this elk in their office - so if you are down that way you can check it out.
Kevin was nice enough to give me permission to post these photos of his elk. Kevin is an accomplished hunter and has hunted all over the world, which includes entries in Pope & Young. However, one thing he is a little frustrated with is the rumors about these bulls going around on the Internet. He has never tried to pass these bulls off as fair chase bulls, and has been up front about them from the start. Unfortunately, people have been passing these photos around and included their own information which has been incorrect. Kevin knows what they are, but is not trying to trick anyone, and has been getting emails daily about his bulls himself. Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion.
The message boards and emails are going crazy with this topic and the photos that continue to circulate about these big bulls. Some are posted with truths, some totally made up falsehoods, and others with a little bit of both.
I was fortunately to talk with the hunter of both of these bulls. Kevin Reid was the lucky hunter to take down not one of these huge bulls, but both of them. Contrary to what many may think, these two bulls were not taken the same year. One was taken last year during the 2004 season and the other this year. Now the big question?Are these fair chase bulls?
Kevin Reid was hunting a private high fenced ranch in Idaho in 2004 and came across two monster bulls running together. Kevin ended up taken one of the bulls with his bow at just over 30 yards. The bull is an incredible bull scoring 447 SCI. After the season, the ranch owner called Kevin and told him he thought the other bull that was running with the bull Kevin shot was even bigger. Sure enough, Kevin went back for the 2005 season. After three weeks of hunting, he finally got within bow range of this bull. This bull has been scored by SCI (Safari Club International) scorers at an incredible 502 2/8 SCI. This bull will become the new SCI world record bull (taken with any weapon).
So will these bulls be eligable for Pope & Young or Boone & Crockett? No, they will not. They were taken in a high fence arrangement, and therefore will not be eligable. They will be entered in SCI and be not only one of, but two of the biggest bulls recorded. Even in high fence, there has never been a 500 inch bull taken before. The only bull ever taken by a hunter that scored over 500 inches (gross score) is the Mike Shipsey Bull. Mike Shipsey shot this bull in 1997 on the San Carlos Reservation. This 11?10 point bull scores 502 6/8 gross, 487 net non-typical B&C. However, the Shipsey bull has not been entered (or accepted) into the B&C Club. The San Carlos Fish and Game in Arizona has a replica of this elk in their office - so if you are down that way you can check it out.
Kevin was nice enough to give me permission to post these photos of his elk. Kevin is an accomplished hunter and has hunted all over the world, which includes entries in Pope & Young. However, one thing he is a little frustrated with is the rumors about these bulls going around on the Internet. He has never tried to pass these bulls off as fair chase bulls, and has been up front about them from the start. Unfortunately, people have been passing these photos around and included their own information which has been incorrect. Kevin knows what they are, but is not trying to trick anyone, and has been getting emails daily about his bulls himself. Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion.
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pj31178
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The elk are the victims! This guy may be OK. But anyone with a little knowledge and skill in bowhunting could harvest a fenced in animal. If I killed a 700 inch bull in a pen, there would be no satisfaction in it. Once again the elk are the victims! They need more respect than they get.
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Here is a pick of the Shipsey Bull...
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Just a small point, there is a difference between a pen raised elk and and elk living in a high fenced ranch. (not that I've ever hunted either one or think the record books should recognize either). From what I understand, this ranch is a few thousand acres that is high fenced, where they are able to control the genetics, and supplement feed the animals much like a lot of Texas whitetail ranches. So I'm sure there was a little more hunting skills involved than just shooting a tame elk in a pen, but not near as much as arrowing a trophy on public ground. But Kevin Reid has arrowed more fair chase trophies than most people will from what I've seen and heard of him. He's got a pile of money, and does what most of us would do with it - hunt.
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pj31178
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Your brought up another good point. Money! Anyone can buy a bull. High fence or pened, it's all the same. Supplementing feed and controlling genetics. All it is is an outdoor zoo. There is nothing wild about suplementing feed and controlling genetics.
The whole fenced or high fenced SCI thing just sucks. If that guy is as proud as his grins in the photo, oh well. He's got a pile of bone for the wall, but I don't think he has respect from guys that actually hunt. The way he took those bulls don't impress me a bit. mtmuley
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Greetings from Big Sky Country:
I have been sitting on the sidelines reading the discussion regarding the captive killed elk. I am glad to see that most hunters don't give the "hunter" any respect. He doesn't deserve any. However, high fence hunting, canned hunting or captive killing whatever you want to call it is a much bigger issue than fellow sportsman not giving him respect. I am a little disappointed that nobody has brought up the much bigger issue of how private-high-fence killing operations, erode the very fabric of how, we as hunters in North America have the unique priveledge to hunt. Commercialization and privitzation of YOUR wildlife will do more damage to the future of hunting than any whacked out animal rights activist. Think about it!
The North American system of wildlife management is the most successful, unique and best wildlife program in the world! This system, brought back every major wildlife species from the brink of extinction to a level where there are more deer living within the city limits of my town than there were bison on the entire continent 100 years ago! That is success! The system is only successful if the common man has opportunity to the resource. Take that away, and you lose buy in from the majority of the public. When they lose interest, you can kiss your opportunities goodbye.
As hunters, we need to take the high road on ethics and contentious issues, because if we don't somebody else will. For example, the Humane Society is gearing up to outlaw captive killing nation wide, but wouldn't it be better if hunters said "its not right to shoot pets"! We did in Montana! and Montana hunters are much better for it. We took a proactive approach to the dangers that high-fence operations posed to our hunting heritage and said "not in our state". I haven't even touched on the issue of captive operations as a breeding ground for wildife diseases like Chronic Wasting Disease. Remember, most of the general public (80%) doesn't hunt. They aren't anti-hunters they are non-hunters. They have the power to change the future of hunting. It is up to us as "Leopoldian" hunters to carrry on the proud and rich heritage that we as hunters enjoy!
Have a great season, hunt hard and don't stand for slob killers!
I have been sitting on the sidelines reading the discussion regarding the captive killed elk. I am glad to see that most hunters don't give the "hunter" any respect. He doesn't deserve any. However, high fence hunting, canned hunting or captive killing whatever you want to call it is a much bigger issue than fellow sportsman not giving him respect. I am a little disappointed that nobody has brought up the much bigger issue of how private-high-fence killing operations, erode the very fabric of how, we as hunters in North America have the unique priveledge to hunt. Commercialization and privitzation of YOUR wildlife will do more damage to the future of hunting than any whacked out animal rights activist. Think about it!
The North American system of wildlife management is the most successful, unique and best wildlife program in the world! This system, brought back every major wildlife species from the brink of extinction to a level where there are more deer living within the city limits of my town than there were bison on the entire continent 100 years ago! That is success! The system is only successful if the common man has opportunity to the resource. Take that away, and you lose buy in from the majority of the public. When they lose interest, you can kiss your opportunities goodbye.
As hunters, we need to take the high road on ethics and contentious issues, because if we don't somebody else will. For example, the Humane Society is gearing up to outlaw captive killing nation wide, but wouldn't it be better if hunters said "its not right to shoot pets"! We did in Montana! and Montana hunters are much better for it. We took a proactive approach to the dangers that high-fence operations posed to our hunting heritage and said "not in our state". I haven't even touched on the issue of captive operations as a breeding ground for wildife diseases like Chronic Wasting Disease. Remember, most of the general public (80%) doesn't hunt. They aren't anti-hunters they are non-hunters. They have the power to change the future of hunting. It is up to us as "Leopoldian" hunters to carrry on the proud and rich heritage that we as hunters enjoy!
Have a great season, hunt hard and don't stand for slob killers!
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pj31178
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Amen!
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scottyboy
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>Your brought up another good point.
> Money! Anyone can
>buy a bull. High
>fence or pened, it's all
>the same. Supplementing feed
>and controlling genetics. All
>it is is an outdoor
>zoo. There is nothing
>wild about suplementing feed and
>controlling genetics.
Yeah, but money can damned sure by you a "fair chase bull" too.. Ever priced a hunt on the San Carlos or White Mountain Apache rezs?? They may be fair chase and unfenced, but without 25 to 30K to fork over, you damned sure ain't stepping foot on there. Where's the fun in that? Yeah, it may be fair chase and eligble to go into B&C, but how sporting is it to pay that kind of money to have some Indian dude slip you into the meadow, where he has been watching this huge bull for the past month everyday, and set up and shoot the damned thing. I think that is about as sporting as what this guy did. But I'm not knocking either way. Both have their plus's and minus's. To each his own.
I agree with the others that said that they would rather see a 330 or 350 bull taken by someone who did his homework, hunted hard, and was rewarded with a true and honest trophy the he really put his time and effort into.
I agree with NMTaxi, lay off the dude. He's just doing what any of the rest of us would do if we had that kind of money.. HUNT... Like the article said, he never tried to pass these bulls off as unfenced. Its everyone else running their mouth that has got this crap way out of proportion.
--Scottyboy--
> Money! Anyone can
>buy a bull. High
>fence or pened, it's all
>the same. Supplementing feed
>and controlling genetics. All
>it is is an outdoor
>zoo. There is nothing
>wild about suplementing feed and
>controlling genetics.
Yeah, but money can damned sure by you a "fair chase bull" too.. Ever priced a hunt on the San Carlos or White Mountain Apache rezs?? They may be fair chase and unfenced, but without 25 to 30K to fork over, you damned sure ain't stepping foot on there. Where's the fun in that? Yeah, it may be fair chase and eligble to go into B&C, but how sporting is it to pay that kind of money to have some Indian dude slip you into the meadow, where he has been watching this huge bull for the past month everyday, and set up and shoot the damned thing. I think that is about as sporting as what this guy did. But I'm not knocking either way. Both have their plus's and minus's. To each his own.
I agree with the others that said that they would rather see a 330 or 350 bull taken by someone who did his homework, hunted hard, and was rewarded with a true and honest trophy the he really put his time and effort into.
I agree with NMTaxi, lay off the dude. He's just doing what any of the rest of us would do if we had that kind of money.. HUNT... Like the article said, he never tried to pass these bulls off as unfenced. Its everyone else running their mouth that has got this crap way out of proportion.
--Scottyboy--
This is a very good point, "greetings from big sky" brought up.
We here in the USA are a very lucky bunch, we have public land to hunt fair chase animals on. In Europe much if not all the land is private, there are only "canned or high fence" hunts, and only the very wealthy can afford to hunt at all. We tend to take too much for granted and get a little lazy. We all are diplomats of our sport and there are many who hate what we love to do. And they will stop at no ends to see this taken away from us. It's not a right, it's a privilige in the eyes of the non hunting majority, and to them it's an expendable privilige. Shooting animals inside an enclosure regardless of size is still a canned or fenced event. It is not hunting in the true meaning of the word. And the antis are watching and waiting...
I don't really care one way or the other how big his canned bull is. It should not qualify for anything, period.
I'm sure this man is a "nice" person, but I don't have any respect for those who pay large sums of money to be "put on" pen raised animals or those who take large sums of money to organize these types of "hunts". Yes those photos show large horns, but you can go to a zoo and see very large horns every day. That does not make them entrants into the books. Nor does paying obscene amounts of money, make it huning...
We here in the USA are a very lucky bunch, we have public land to hunt fair chase animals on. In Europe much if not all the land is private, there are only "canned or high fence" hunts, and only the very wealthy can afford to hunt at all. We tend to take too much for granted and get a little lazy. We all are diplomats of our sport and there are many who hate what we love to do. And they will stop at no ends to see this taken away from us. It's not a right, it's a privilige in the eyes of the non hunting majority, and to them it's an expendable privilige. Shooting animals inside an enclosure regardless of size is still a canned or fenced event. It is not hunting in the true meaning of the word. And the antis are watching and waiting...
I don't really care one way or the other how big his canned bull is. It should not qualify for anything, period.
I'm sure this man is a "nice" person, but I don't have any respect for those who pay large sums of money to be "put on" pen raised animals or those who take large sums of money to organize these types of "hunts". Yes those photos show large horns, but you can go to a zoo and see very large horns every day. That does not make them entrants into the books. Nor does paying obscene amounts of money, make it huning...
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nemesis
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brace yourself, many of the booths at sci now cater to the high fecne hunts.
more and more of it every year.
just make sure you close the gate when you done with the hunt there
more and more of it every year.
just make sure you close the gate when you done with the hunt there
I'm so sick of looking at this bull... I wish I had some way of posting the real world record from unit 10 right over these pictures. It's bad enough hunting in a pen, then allowing it to be posted is sick. Trying to get the spotlight doesn't always work out in your favor. I hope I've seen it all on this bull.
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No worries Mike....when the dust settles, I'm fairly certain that monsterous 7x7 elk I held at Signature Taxidermy (AZ) will reign as the new #1 for P&Y. An UNREAL bull that will get a lot of press once it's officially measured and accepted....and deservingly so.
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BANNOCK1877
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Ditto Wildmt...mega-mega
The money that drives this "industry" is killing the sport for those who don't have the disposable income to blow on "buying" a trophy. The greed for big cash for big antlers induces plenty of landowners to lock up their land and charge a boat-load of cash for the public's wildlife.
So where will the next generation go to hunt, the over-crowded public land? Good luck. It's a shrinking resource. I spent 15 years in Utah and watched guys quit the sport when the land they'd hunted for years got locked up and leased out. I moved.
The more attention we give to the "horn industry"-- the worse it gets as demand outstrips supply and the greedy SOBs trade cash for what should be public wildlife --and those who can legally "ranch" elk become a conduit for CWD and worse...
Perhaps SCI should stand for Store-bought Critters Incorporated..?
These guys that buy their animals don't deserve respect . They are just giving the PETA-phyles more ammo to post on their website. No semi-conscious human being w/2 brain cells to rub together --with love for wildlife, would find this acceptable.
This ain't hunting. It's just killing.
The money that drives this "industry" is killing the sport for those who don't have the disposable income to blow on "buying" a trophy. The greed for big cash for big antlers induces plenty of landowners to lock up their land and charge a boat-load of cash for the public's wildlife.
So where will the next generation go to hunt, the over-crowded public land? Good luck. It's a shrinking resource. I spent 15 years in Utah and watched guys quit the sport when the land they'd hunted for years got locked up and leased out. I moved.
The more attention we give to the "horn industry"-- the worse it gets as demand outstrips supply and the greedy SOBs trade cash for what should be public wildlife --and those who can legally "ranch" elk become a conduit for CWD and worse...
Perhaps SCI should stand for Store-bought Critters Incorporated..?
These guys that buy their animals don't deserve respect . They are just giving the PETA-phyles more ammo to post on their website. No semi-conscious human being w/2 brain cells to rub together --with love for wildlife, would find this acceptable.
This ain't hunting. It's just killing.
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Well said Wildmt! I did a position essay for english 121 last month that dealt with canned hunts.(im a freshman at MSU) In my research I found out that the elk ranchers were trying to get the bill banning high fenced shooting and new game farms overturned. I was already against game farming before doing all that research but it really made me mad to read about the lack of respect for the animals game ranchers have. I guess that happens when you turn a wild animals into a big money making crop. Guess it gives new meaning to "cash cow". Where at in Montana are you Wildmt?
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cauch
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ismith, i am also a freshman at MSU... have you had any luck this year?
