Tim Sundles Defense Fund

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misner5

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Concerning wolves and thier reintroduction and mismanagement, Tim Sundles (Idaho) is being charged with poisening wolves and or putting poisen on federal land along with some other stuff.

Not sure if he's guilty or not but.......I don't really care, I donated money to help him out. Go to the link to do likewise or search the web to read the story.

I've written about what I think concerning wolves and their reintro many times...tick, tock and another elk was just killed by some mutts. I wonder how few elk are left now!!! Some day we'll say "boy I loved (past tense)hunting elk" and then we'll hear a wolf howl and it will all be worth it....NOT!!!!!


http://www.natureswolves.com/Donations/index.htm
 
Thanks.
Gotta help a fellow lever action man.

He's a stand up guy that's for sure.
brought too much attention to himself though and I think the Feds will go to town on him to prove a point.

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
 
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I've got mixed feelings here, but do support his enthusiasim. It sounds as if though it's getting blown out of proportion. I feel he did the right thing. The wolves are an issue here in Idaho as well, they need to be thinned out without all the red tape!! I'd like to talk to Tim & get more details, he sounds like a stand-up guy!!!-------------------ElkNut1
 
I'm a little confused. Is he being charged with killing the wolves while on the pack trip, or did he poison some wolves, or both?
In the original post it say something about poison.
 
I guess if supporting an illegal act is alright, then I'd support him too..

But hey, what are laws for anyway?? If we disagree with them, and feel we are being cheated, then those laws are for bending.. Sweet!! Next month, when the snows really deep, I'm gonna go out with my rifle, and nail a huge buck out of season.. Finally, a trophy will be mine! After all, I feel that the draw system in the state if B.S.. So that sounds like justification to me..

I'm all for regulating wolves, but there is a right and a wrong way.. Until we begin to work together on this issue, IT WON'T GO AWAY..I guess to each his own though..
Wideone
 
I visited Mr Sundles website. In reading the document he posted on how to poison wolves he claims it is used by most outfitters in Canada.

I have a couple of big problems with this. In posting this information one can conclude he advocates poisoning of wildlife. He isn't just guilty of killing wolves but of killing all animals which would feed on carcasses laced with poison. He apparently advocates killing eagles and other birds of prey, bears, and any other animal which unwittingly feeds on meat.

He may have a point about the USFWS. But, in my opinion, has stepped beyond the point of being reasonable.

I don't want wolves in my State but have concluded that we will have them soon whether we want them or not. What we have to do is work within the framework of the law and make changes in how we are allowed to manage wolves. Using poison baits to kill wildlife is not the answer.


BeanMan
 
I haven't read much about this guy but I am not impressed with what he is trying to do. Any time you fight the feds, you lose. I won't be donating to the fund because his goose is cooked.
 
I read his BS story about the wolf attack and found it amusing. For someone to have such a detailed account of a fabricated story is amazing. He should have been a lawyer. I'll save my money. What a joke.
 
How many other animals ate his poison bait besides wolves? Where can I donate to the prosecution fund?
Rot in jail A-hole.
 
I talked with an IDFG Conservation Officer last week. He said in the areas most affected by wolves that the calf to cow ratio is 13:100.
It takes 30:100 just to SUSTAIN the population. Elk crash a comin'. In a few years, those 13 will be all that is left to produce our big game.
Tim may be on the radical end, but at least he has the cajones to stand up for what HE thinks is right. Not saying I agree with him, but who that hunts in ID isn't just about as frustrated?
No one condones what he did, but condemning it could be hard for a lot of Idaho hunters.
 
I've been following this for a couple years now. I can only imagine what the herd will be like too. These wolves will stop at nothing. There is a reason you can shoot them in Canada, they populate fast.

Chef
"I Love Animals...They're Delicious!"
 
I do think that we most definitely need to manage the wolves, as with any animal. I guess I just DON'T have any respect, and I DO think this man needs to grow a pair, and channel his anger and frustration in a way which will help us set up good management of wolves, not blatant disrespect for laws and wildlife..

Rather someone likes,dislikes, or is indifferent on the whole wolf debate, illegally killing wolves AND all other animals who come into contact with the poison just shows me that he doesn't care about wildlife, he cares about what the wildlife can do for him.. If he can benefit from an animals existence, then he sounds like he's all for it. But if not, then to hell with it.

This kind of guy fortunately will not be sitting at the table with all of the respectable folks, when decisions are made..
There will be people who whine and cry, and there will be those who will work together with others to ensure elk and wolves remain.

P.s.... Cow/calf ratios aren't doing well in many areas.. Not all of them have wolves.. There are other factors that go into elk populations.. That's not to say that wolves aren't going to have an impact,, but I also don't feel that the sky is falling..

P.s.s.. I have to thank Tim for the wolf attack story, I needed a good laugh today!
 
Well, well, a lot of spine is showing here, or lack of it. Lets put a hypothetical out there where our government makes a law that says you cannot have a Bible or for you that could care less about Bibles how about it says you cannot have in your possesion alchohol. Would you obey the law. Here's a non hypothetical, our government says to only drive 55 on the highway. Who of you out there obey the law every time?? Might want to look at yourself before you go calling the kettle black. Tim is trying to protect and preserve his and our way of life.

In this case with wolves, our government without the consent of the states being affected, dropped pretty little wolves into our state. The feds were to insure that the wolves did not impact hunting, outfitter revenues etc. Guess what, our government, with the push of a bunch of eastern bunny hugging liberals and yes even some of our home grown liberals are slowing but surely reducing our hunting heritage and who knows to what degree it will go before something changes in the other direction. If it ever does!!

Tim maybe radical in his approach, but in the end I got a feeling we are going to wish we all would have done what Tim did.

My 2 cents and a little bit more went to Tim Sundles
 
Wideone,

You quote, "This kind of guy fortunately will not be sitting at the table with all of the respectable folks, when decisions are made.."

I don't believe there is a "respectable" or "honest" person involved in this wolf fiasco team put together by our heavy handed Federal fish and Wildlife Service.

JB


"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
Lot of BS in this thread. The guy is a criminal not a hunter. Elk in the unit that was allegedly poisoned are over objective and this year F+G added 150 cow permits to the general bull hunt. Wolves are NOT impacting the elk population. They are impactiong behavior. The deer population there had some of the finest quality heads harvested in quite some time and numbers were up in the harvest as well.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-01-05 AT 07:58AM (MST)[p]Every study I've read shows the wolves have impacted the elk nad moose populations, both inside Yellowstone park and outside. The latest report from yellowstone is the moose and elk population is declining thru decreased calf recrutment due to every other reason then the wolf. The moose and elk have increased thru all of thier other stated excuses. The wolf is the only added ingrediant. The old crap about wolves only killing the sick and weak is nothing more then a bunch of bunk and huey. Studies have shown they will kill anything they can get thier jaws on. Dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. This particular unit that shortmag is talking about may be over objective for now, but as the wolf population increases that will change. The wolf is the endangered species for now. It won't be long before the elk and moose are on that list. If hunters don't take matters into their own hands in removing the wolves just like the wolf advocates have in releasing them it won't be long before we as hunters are endangered also. What gives the wolf advocates more rights then hunters? Hunters have spent millions upon millions of dollars and countless hours of time and labor to improve habitat and increase game populations ,while these wolf huggers have done nor spent anything, only to see them used for wolf food. Releasing wolves is just another attempt on the anti hunting side to eliminate hunting. If you can't see that you got yer head in the sand. I say kill em all!
Wes
 
I hope Poacher Sundles enjoys his stay in jail! I'd donate to the prosection in this case. What a wing-nut. You want action on wolf management? Use the political channels. Elect people who are on your side. Everyone is quick to blame liberals (who deserve their share) but look who is in charge of the gov't at present. Why aren't they doing anything??
 
misner5,

Very good point.. I appreciate what you said,though I still feel that poisoning our wildlife is not the answer..

I strongly disagree with you though when you say that there aren't any good people at the table making decisions.. I've personally met some of the outfitters and ranchers who are involved. They are great people, with great minds who want to work together for our open spaces and the wildlife which uses it. I'll donate to those ranchers and outfitters before I donate to Little Tim. I do understand why you are frustrated though.
I have seen the elk change behavior around here, but we still find the bulls, it just takes hard work, which I'm up for.. I think over time it may be a good thing.. It might weed out the hunters who don't want to work hard. I don't feel that having a good hunt means tagging something every time. I talk to people all the time who have a "bad" trip, when they don't shoot something.. For me, that's going out to kill, not out to hunt, and there is a BIG difference between a hunter and a killer.
 
This topic has been beat to death. Some people, like me, don't mind a little competition out in the woods and consistently see wolf and griz tracks and still take nice bulls and believe organizations are hard at work with their donations to ensure a future for wolves and elk and hunters and blahblahblah and there are people that need 47 weeks of elk season to try and kill one from the truck and bichch and moan about not seeing anything and the sky is falling and the world is coming to an end oh god help us and blahblahblah.


I think that somes it up.
 
Wideone
Lets draw lines between hunters, what you determine to be good ones and bad ones. Thats a great strategie. It's called "divide and conquer". This is a battle for HUNTING. I believe the ultimate goal of these wolf humppers is to eliminate all hunting. No matter if someone wants to kill an animal or just simply have a good time walking thru the mountains where the deer and elk used to be that should be thier decision and I don't beleive hunters should be critisized for thier desire to kill something. That is the ultimate goal of why we are out there. If not we would not be carrying weapons. A hunter is still a hunter whether he sets lofty goals of shooting only trophy animals or whether he is happy shooting dinks. The wolves are impacting the game herds not just thier behavior unless the elk are just pretending to be fewer in number or dead. How often do you hear the anti hunting tree huggin bunny humpers draw lines between themselves? So lets just keep weeding out the type of hunters we don't agree with and do the job of eliminating hunting ourselves. It's quite obvious to all involved that hunters and ranchers don't want wolves but they continually force them upon us and they will fight with all of thier lies to keep them from being hunted until our game animals are gone and the ranchers are out of bussiness. Like I said if hunters and ranchers don't take it in their own hands and fight fire with fire power to eliminate the wolves we might as well hang our guns up and start taking pictures of wolves.
Wes
 
the whole wolf introduction program is a joke. so is the usfws and any organization that takes marching orders from em. but at least the wolves they've released in the northern states are real wolves. these damn things they dumped in Az. and new mex are all part dog. if this guy was serious about killing wolves, he'd just kill em and walk away. why post your intentions on a website for the world to read? they get shot all the time in Az. and new mex and the only guy they've convicted was a kid that got turned in by his own relation. doing what this guy is condoning is no different than the tree spiking and other acts of "eco" terror that took place some years back. put enough pressure on state rep's and senators and they'll remove em from the endangered list and have a season. votes is what works. not some dumbass on a misguided mission. and like i said, at least they're real wolves. and the program has worked. the damn things are everywhere. we got these stupid penraised currs down here that are so dumb it hurts. and when one of em acts like a wolf, they shoot it.
 
Wes,

"It's quite obvious to all involved that hunters and ranchers don't want wolves"

I'm a hunter, I have several friends who are hunters, and we aren't opposed to wolves when managed.. I also know of several ranchers who aren't completely opposed.

You're right, I am seperating hunters.. People who go out and kill, or condone killing and not using the meat, are different in my mind then someone that does use the meat.. I don't care what the animal is. I personally trophy hunt. If it's not big, I don't shoot, but regardless, the animal is eaten and not wasted.

Think of how many deer and elk that are poached each year... Yet what has been done lately to curve this problem.. Hmmmmm, if we could just shoot 'em all.. So, since we can't get a bullet for poachers, weather, and development, let's shoot what we can.

I feel strongly that we need to make sure hunting can be enjoyed by our children, yet I've enjoyed watching wolves as much as any hunt I've been on, so I'm not ready to say to hell with the wolves. There needs to be compromise on both sides..

I'll stop rambling though, I think zigga said it best, "Some people, like me, don't mind a little competition out in the woods and consistently see wolf and griz tracks and still take nice bulls and believe organizations are hard at work with their donations to ensure a future for wolves and elk and hunters and blahblahblah and there are people that need 47 weeks of elk season to try and kill one from the truck and bichch and moan about not seeing anything and the sky is falling and the world is coming to an end oh god help us and blahblahblah."
Amen man, and I'll raise you a blah,blah
 
Tim Sundles is a nut case! I hate wolves, but his way about rebeling is absurd. He actually is even promoting poaching deer and elk and using them to spike with temik. I'm sure people out grouse, chuckar hunting or even like me hound hunting would really enjoy having one of are pets or several die to his poisonous meatball crap. The guys a fruitloop, I would rather deal with wolve conflicts then be worried someone out there is throwing poison around in the woods that anything could get into.
 
If re-introducing wolves was such a good idea, then why wasn't it done through the private sector? Why didn't wolf lovers go to big ranchers or big timber companies and present their ideas to them, showing all the benefits of wolves?

Why wasn't it done the way NWTF is doing with turkeys? Hummmmmmmm????????

I'll tell you why.

Re-introducing wolves was a bad idea. And the only possible way to get it done was to get the Federal government to shove it down our throats. That's why. Hiding behind big government was the only way. And using taxpayer money was the only way it could happen financially.

You got a few radical individuals and groups who want to live in the past, who think they have this "divine" understanding of ecology and wildlife management. They believe that man is the "misfit" in the natural world, and they want to run out "yucky" ranchers and anybody else who owns a business and makes a profit. Oh, that's right, we use taxpayers money to compensate any loss to the ranchers. Sorry.

In modern times man has pretty much replaced the wolf as a predator, at least here in the lower 48. But now we have wolves, and will continue to into the future. A grave injustice to us and to the wolves. The wolves that some people love sooooo much will now suffer because of our stupidity.

Steve
 
very,very well said Steve. You are exactly right. There are just some things that are not possible anymore in the lower 48. Wild wolves, millions of buffaloe, and condors. Wish all you want but it is over for a few.

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
Soooo, what IS the answer??? Not sure where Eelgrass and D-cup are going. I'd love to hear the solution. No, I'm not trying to start an arguement. I'm just curious. I can live with or without the wolf, it won't matter in the end......when I'm old and gone.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-03-05 AT 09:02PM (MST)[p]Nigga,

Here is my answer. Starting tommorrow, no more money for wolf recovery. No more money for rancher compensation. No more overpaid wolf recovery jobs. State's, keep 'em or not. Starting tommorrow they are classified same as coyotes.

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
D-cup,

That's a tad racial isn't it?!!! You are a dandy D.

Don't get me wrong, I have never been FOR wolves and like Eelgrass said, they were pretty much shoved down our throats....but what would you expect from the government? There is a lot to work out here. Poisoning and shooting wolves illegally is not the answer. Write to the RMEF, your congressman and the KKK and tell them your brilliant ideas of what we should NOW do. Wolves are here to stay so be a part of the solution, not the problem.

Don't be late for the cross-burning tonight!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-04-05 AT 11:13AM (MST)[p]Zigger,

You gotta start laughing at all these names and stop being PC. This is funny stuff.........now an over bearing and heavy handed government is not funny. You are more than right that the poisoning is wrong and can't be tolerated. Believe me that my representatives have heard from me. I'm in Ca., my congressman has always voted how I would like him to but my senators are Boxer and Feinstein and basically tell me to pound sand. They love heavy handed government control. The RMEF collects tons of money because of these controversies and I am not sure that they really want thses problems to go away. Obviously what I want done will never happen and I understand that but the otherside will never allow wolves to be delisted and let the states have control. Too much money and jobs involved and I do believe the underlieing reason for the reintroduction is to put an end to sport hunting.

Things will get bad shortly and Sundles won't be the only radical taking action. It will get ugly and the government always wins.

JB

PS- I had a friend commit suicide a few years ago by drinking Temik, it was fast and ugly. That stuff does NOT need to be laying around in the woods.

PSS- the KKK wasn't interested, they said they had bigger fish to fry.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
D,

Now that response was right on. How do I stop being PC?

The grizzly bear topic is another issue that is a mess here. Biologists say that grizzlies have recovered and should be delisted. Instead of giving a certain number of tags out for them, some tree-huggers have decided that there will never be enough grizzlies and they should remain listed. GIVE ME A BREAK! The legal system is waisting our money fighting this and the wolves will be no different. I will be the first in line to put in for Griz and Wolf tags. For now I will have to continue writing to our worthless politicans and hope that the right thing is done and the tree-huggers die off. Fat chance I am sure.
 
Idaho breeds the white supremisist type of anti goverment rebels . Fun to watch. He was wrong with the way he handeled it plain a simple.
 

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