SOME HUGE ELK!

Those are some big bulls. When we drive to California we pass by part of the ranch that if by the freeway and the ranch goes forever. I bet there is a lot of good hunting on there.
 
> wow please note these are probably high fenced "harvests"
not real hunting "fairchase" you should perhaps post this on a
harvesting site rather than a hunting site.
 
If you look at there site the ranch is over 270,000 acres (426 sq miles of land). If you add in limited hunting and good genetics you get monster bulls.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-05 AT 08:11PM (MST)[p]Actually, these bulls are NOT high fenced and are free ranging. Furthermore, they are accepted by B&C / P&Y. I beleive they were transplanted years ago from Yellowstone National Park???

The ranch is a working cattle ranch that is 270,000 continuous acres. Many of the elk have wandered onto neighboring cattle ranches as well, as there is only a 4 strand barb-wire fence separating the properties.

More and more "high end" hunters are choosing the Tejon Ranch over the San Carlos Reservation, as they are consistently producing bigger bulls these days. Waaaaaayyyy too money for this ol' bowhunter, but at least I can dream.

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From their web site. Sound like they are set up like a ranching for wildlife deal.

Enhancing Wildlife, While Offering Outdoor Adventure

The vast lands of Tejon Ranch support a variety of wildlife, including deer, elk, antelope, wild pigs, wild turkey, black bear, mountain lions, bobcats, coyotes, squirrels, pigeons, doves and quail. Wildlife management plays an important role in maintaining a balance of the many species that inhabit the ranch.

The Ranch works closely with California?s Department of Fish and Game to enhance wildlife, while providing a carefully managed hunting program. Through a Private Lands Wildlife Management License, the ranch sets the hunting seasons, the harvest limits, ages of animals to be harvested and the number of hunting licenses issued. All these factors are designed to maintain a healthy and balanced wildlife population so that one species does not negatively impact the welfare of another.
 
>> wow please note these are probably high fenced "harvests"
>not real hunting "fairchase" you should
>perhaps post this on a
>
>harvesting site rather than a hunting
>site.

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That doesn't sound like a typical ranch to me...
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-08-05 AT 10:27PM (MST)[p]There was a 400 + bull taken last year on the Tejon that was entered in B&C.
B&C is EXTREMELY strict about NOT letting high fenced critters in the book.
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There is nothing "high fence" about the Tejon Ranch. It is truly a fair chase hunt. Sure wish I could afford a week there.
 
There isn't a bull on the planet that I would pay 20 grand to kill.

I bet none of those "high end hunters" could hold their own in a real hunting situation.
 
No they are not high fenced hunts buddy. Perhaps you should fully read something before you make an assumption and say stupid comments.
 
>No they are not high fenced
>hunts buddy. Perhaps you should
>fully read something before you
>make an assumption and say
>stupid comments.

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Good one!

Mike
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I think these elk should be entered in a P&Y or B&C in a book seperate from normal hunting situations. You could title the book I paid 20 grand for my big bull. The San Carlos and any other hunt out of normal hunting situations or having to pay extra money for a big bull should not interfer with normal public land trophies in the same book. Maybe someday more books will be considered to seperate a public land trophy from a paid trophy.
 
mike that would not work. Because if you did that then you would have to start listing LE units as being different from over the counter units and so on. With the limits being put on NR hunters (not trying to start and arguement) then this type of hunting is going to become more previlent (sp) in the future. They will take anyone with the money (I damn sure sure don't have it).

If money is a differentiating catagory because it is the haves versus the have nots then you would have to split Res vs NR into different catagories. It is the same thing because of the difference in opportunity.

Like one of the post above "Come on Powerball".
 
DIY versus Paid Access? Fair chase versus Pay on Kill? Public Wilderness/Forest versus Private Property?

I doubt Resident versus Non-Resident is much of a category to define a hunter by.

What's the mark of a true sportsman/hunter...blood, sweat and tears or using 20K to by your membership into the "club"?

Were it defined by individual skill and resourcefulness instead of wealth---we'd see a whole new category of "trophy hunter".

That's close to why only the rich and exclusive can "hunt" in the Old World...
 
Tejon elk came from jellystone originally. They are not high fenced or contained in any manner. They are fair chase hunted but are definataly not what you would consider a "tough wilderness" hunt. They don't have a migration or tough winters to deal with so they also get big like 1200 lbs. The biggest from Tejon entered in B&C is a 420-4/8 non-typical killed in 2000. That is also when the prices started going up from about $12000.



"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 
There is a picture of that bull in that group of pictures. I know the guy who killed it. It was a monster. It is a great ranch. I have hunted wild pigs there and actually won a pig-o-rama hunt with a large boar killed in the snow. Pretty awesome. Look at the pictrues, it's near the bottom and is a side view of the bull. Date is in the lower corner. There are no high fences on the ranch and is full of game because of a very aggressive management program. Don Gievets has done a great job.

BKHUNTER
 
DIY or on a ranch has nothing to do with how good of a hunter you are. Some do DIY poorly. The only difference between paying to be a Ranch as oppossed to Government land is opportunity. The only thing that seperates R vs NR is opportunity. Res have an 80%+ chance of getting a top notch bull in an LE unit because you live there. People with money have a better opportunity to get a top notch bull they have the resources to go where they want too instead of having to wait for a draw.

Having money does not make you any less of a hunter than the next guy. It just allows you more opportunities. So if you seperate because of money then you open up a whole can of worms on different catagories. I just wish I had money.
 
Thanks for the info. Couldn't you seperate the book by drawing a permit on public land where eveybody has an opportunity at that hunt vs not drawing a permit. Drawing a permit everybody no matter what State your from has the opportunity to hunt that animal. Not drawing a permit could be a variety of other things as long as it's not mixed in with permit drawing public land animals.
 
Mike, That is the point. Res. have 80% or better chance to draw. If you want to make it a different catagory then you would have to make it a 50% R to 50% NR draw to make it equal or open it up to a lottery type draw where everyone has an equal chance..

The only difference with the people hunting on a Ranch is they have a 100% chance of getting a tag on a LE hunt. They don't have to wait for Government Land to open up.
 
The "book" is not supposed to be about the hunter. I know that is not how most people look at it.

JB

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
--Benjamin Franklin 1759
 

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