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LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-06 AT 03:12PM (MST)[p]I hunted an area that was suggested to me, which turned out to be one of the better areas we hunted, I didn't see any elk for three days and the only two elk I saw were bulls.

My son and I finally found an area that hadn't been hit hard, and we could drive in all the way to the end of a jeep trail that led into a large canyon with awesome timbered drainage?s (fingers) we climbed for two hours straight up, before I started to cut across the fingers and move slowly across the ridge?s then down into the timber of each drainage.

About 1:30 p.m I started to see some fresh tracks, which got me excited cause we hadn't seen anything up until this time, The terrain got extremely steep and was killing my ankles, but that's where the fresh sign was so I wasn?t gonna give up just yet, around 1:50 I sat to rest and glass on a well used trail, when I heard a slight rustling below me, just like in a dream a bull comes trotting up the opposite side of the drainage, I threw up my rifle I could see he had long main beam, but he only had one horn, he broke off the other side, I had him in my cross hairs but lowered my gun hoping to see if anything else would come up, sure enough a smaller 6x6 comes trotting up a few seconds later.

Now I'm guessing their 400 yards across from me, so I thought, at 400 yards the bullet would drop approx 19 to 20? I place the cross hairs high on the shoulder of the second bull and let ?er fly, he stumble a little but didn't stop, so I let another one fly, nothing! then another, he flinched again, paused for a second then disappeared over into the next drainage.

Not being able to believe what had just transpired I sat down again to go over the sequence of events, I knew I had two solid hit's on the bull but wondered why he didn't drop or seem hurt, puzzled, I waited about 20-30 minutes before I went to find blood, sure enough I found lots of deep red blood, but no sign of the bull, now the tracking begins.

I followed the tracks for about 500 yards up hill then abruptly the tracks went straight down into another drainage, it was so steep I had to sit down on my butt to keep from falling face first, sliding down a little at a time on my butt trying to see down into the timber, expecting to find the bull bedded down, all of a sudden I hear crash-crash, through the trees I could see a bull galloping! Up the other side of the drainage, but I had slid down to far to get a good look, not wanting to shoot the one horn bull by mistake, I hesitated, too late, was it my bull??

So I take up the trail again this time less blood, smaller drops, I was amazed that a wounded bull would literally gallop up so steep a hill with two 160grns in him.

It took me 20 minutes crawling on my hands and knees to get to the top, by this time it's raining and I got a blister on my heal, but I pursue, now the tracks mix in with other tracks and no more blood, we looked till dark to no avail, We decided to come back in the morn to pick up the trail again

Well no sleep came that night wondering what I should have done different, we set out at daybreak picked up the trail from the beginning, the blood was washed away from the night rain, we walked up and down each drainage, zigged and zagged up and down, now I got raw feet and these are 3 year old boots broken in and all, This was big buck country not elk country, so I thought.

I couldn't find hide nor hair of ?em disgusted I decided it was time to pack up and go home, didn't need to run into another bull and shoot him when there was one already some where in that canyon possibly dieing.

My first mistake was settling for Remington factory shells, they don't hold together well, my 2nd mistake was leaving my range finder back in the truck, turns out the distance was 305 yards which had the bullet impact 10 to 12? to high.

I'm sick to my stomach, we saw over two hundred mule deer, with four shooter bucks, 23 bighorn sheep, three shooter Rams but only two elk, what a week.

I have a few complaints about the way the DFG conduct the hunts in that area, they called this area a road closure area, fine, but they closed the roads down in the flats or winter range, which left a 3 mile walk just to get to the base of the Mt. range where elk live, so possible a 6 mile walk in one way, just to get to the elk, it just seems the DFG works against the hunter to up the odds you being less successful, if the herd is doing well then why close the roads so far down in the winter range?.JMHO?

I don't think I can look at another bull pic for some time to come.....
 
KNOW HOW YA FEEL, ITS A NASTY GUT THING. YOU DID THE BEST YOU COULD....KEEP YOUR CHIN UP. TIME WILL HEAL, YD.
 
>Did you go where I had
>mentioned???
>
>muleyman


jeremy'

thats where they closed the roads off, we never made it past the winter range, road closure takes effect after the bow season, but we found that jeep trail on the back side of where you mentioned, probly 5 miles north form there as the crow flies...Manny
 
>
> KNOW HOW
>YA FEEL, ITS A NASTY
>GUT THING. YOU DID
>THE BEST YOU COULD....KEEP YOUR
>CHIN UP. TIME
>WILL HEAL,
>YD.


I ain't felt this bad since my mom passed...
 
Were u on the backside of the wintering range, or looking down onto the range? any pics of the area?

jeremy
 
I intended to take pics but was to focused on the hunt my son may have, he was really going nuts over the big bucks we were seeing, we were above the winter range....I'll send you a p.m for more details...Manny
 
Man that sucks.......I lost an animal in 03, after thinking long and hard about it all winter I knew in my heart he had died on the mountain I shot him after I had lost his track due to nightfall and the snow storm that hit that night. Went back up there the following summer and found him, the critters had chewed the rack some and the meat was obviously long gone to some scavengers but at least I was able to salvage something from the hunt.
 
>Man that sucks.......I lost an animal
>in 03, after thinking long
>and hard about it all
>winter I knew in my
>heart he had died on
>the mountain I shot him
>after I had lost his
>track due to nightfall and
>the snow storm that hit
>that night. Went back
>up there the following summer
>and found him, the critters
>had chewed the rack some
>and the meat was obviously
>long gone to some scavengers
>but at least I was
>able to salvage something from
>the hunt.



been thinking about taking the 5 hour drive back this saturday, and taking another look C...
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-09-06 AT 07:14PM (MST)[p]heres a pic of the winter range one had to cross to get to the timber area facing north...

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i antelope hunted in that wintering area a couple yrs back. It took i think 9yrs to draw. They were THICK down there.

Sorry about the loss. I hope I didn't steer you in any wrong direction. The country is steep and does hold LOTS of elk. But with the fires this past September, it pushed a lot of the elk NE of the unit.

muleyman
 
>i antelope hunted in that wintering
>area a couple yrs back.
> It took i think
>9yrs to draw. They
>were THICK down there.
>
>Sorry about the loss. I
>hope I didn't steer you
>in any wrong direction.
>The country is steep and
>does hold LOTS of elk.
> But with the fires
>this past September, it pushed
>a lot of the elk
>NE of the unit.
>
>muleyman


The north unit did well the elk were accessible, saw two nice sixers come from there... the area we didn't see elk were flagtail and horse mt.
 
Sorry you did not find your bull Manny. Stuff happens. Maybe
if you go back up the birds will lead you to him. Good luck!
 
sucks--what rifle cal. were you shooting--not sure I'd blame anything on the ammo yet--are you sighted dead on at 100 yds or ???---down hill shot or uphill or level----windy or not---good rest or off hand---maybe you banged the scope and don't know it--have you checked it since you've come back---it sounds like you hit him low or possibly high or you could have just clipped him---in these scenarios blood will be present for awhile and then disappear and an animal can continue on with his life with little to no affect on his overall health---still it sucks, but it happens---chris
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-10-06 AT 09:13AM (MST)[p]>sucks--what rifle cal. were you shooting--not
>sure I'd blame anything on
>the ammo yet--are you sighted
>dead on at 100 yds
>or ???---down hill shot or
>uphill or level----windy or not---good
>rest or off hand---maybe you
>banged the scope and don't
>know it--have you checked it
>since you've come back---it sounds
>like you hit him low
>or possibly high or you
>could have just clipped him---in
>these scenarios blood will be
>present for awhile and then
>disappear and an animal can
>continue on with his life
>with little to no affect
>on his overall health---still it
>sucks, but it happens---chris



Rem 7 saum, 160 grain, buris scope, siting resting elbos on my knees, almost level slight downhil, it was high because i saw blood on deadfall branches about 40" off the ground, i hope he lives on...
 
manny!!!

I'M NOT TRYING TO START A PISSING MATCH WITH YOU BUT!!!

LAST YEAR IT WAS MY SONS FIRST YEAR AT BIG GAME,14 YEARS OLD & 85 LBS SOAKING WET!!!

HE TOLD ME HE'D LIKE TO HUNT ELK!!!

I TOLD HIM THATS FINE BUT YOU WILL BE SHOOTING NOTHING LESS THAN A .30 CALIBER MAGNUM WITH NO LESS THAN A 180 GRAIN SLUG!!!

I WAS WONDERING IF HE COULD HANDLE THE GUN WITHOUT A BREAK!!!

I HATE BREAKS BECAUSE THEY HURT MY EARS!!!

WE PUT A LIMBSAVER KICK PAD ON THE GUN & HE HANDLES IT JUST FINE!!!

YOU GOT TO REMEMBER ONE THING,THEM BIG STINKY SOB'S CAN BE TOUGH!!!

YA, I KNOW YOU CAN TIP AN ELEPHANT OVER WITH A BB GUN BUT DAMN USE A GUN BIG ENOUGH FOR THE JOB!!!

ONE SHOT BROADSIDE AND THEY GET AWAY IS AGGITATING!!!

TWO SHOTS BROADSIDE & THEY GET AWAY IS UNTOLLERABLE!!!

IT HAPPENS TO JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY SOMETIME IN LIFE WHILE HUNTING,YOU LOSE AN ANIMAL,YOU FEEL LIKE ####,OR AT LEAST SOME OF US DO!!!

I HEAR OF ANIMALS GETTING AWAY EVERY YEAR,I'VE HELPED RECOVER A FEW,NOTHING IRRITATES ME WORSE THAN AN ANIMAL ROTTING ON THE MOUNTAIN,YOU CAN'T ALWAYS RECOVER THEM BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS TRY!!!

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I SHOT A BUCK THAT WAS RUNNING & KNOCKED HIM OFF HIS FEET,HE BOUNCED BACK UP & WENT ANOTHER 6 MILES BEFORE I CAUGHT BACK UP TO HIM,HE WAS LAYING DOWN AND STILL ALIVE,I HAD TO FINISH HIM OFF,ON FURTHER INSPECTION I'D HIT HIM SLIGHTLY HIGH JUST UNDER THE BACKBONE & RIGHT ABOVE THE LUNGS,THERE WAS A NICE SIZED HOLE YOU COULD STICK YOUR FIST CLEAR THROUGH BUT IT DIDN'T TAKE OUT ANYTHING VITAL,ONCE THE ADRENALINE STARTS FLOWING THESE BIG GAME ANIMALS ARE TOUGH SUCKERS!!!

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODYELSE BUT ONCE I GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHOT I LIKE TEARING THE ANIMAL IN HALF,THE .50 & THE 600 GRAIN SLUG NORMALLY DOES THE TRICK!!!

I HOPE YOU GO BACK UP & TRY & RECOVER THE ANIMAL(HORNS)!!!

THE ONLY bobcat HEARING OF WAY MORE ANIMALS WOUNDED THIS YEAR THAN EVER BEFORE,I HOPE YOU FIND HIM!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-13-06 AT 09:01AM (MST)[p]Well Bess' if this was a week or so ago, I would have argued with yah, not today, I couldn't get away as I had some obligation most likely Wednesday I'll be going up to take another look see, first finding out what the law requires if I find 'em since the season closed yesterday...

P.S I had an ATV with me but never got to use it, all the trails were closed...oh yes I obeyed the law...
 
I dont think the rifle was the problem, that bullet through the lungs would have put him down quick, as will most anything from a .270 up. It is very cliche but true, shot placement is everything.


:( Somebody didn't like bouncing betty :(
 
That's shitty. I lost a nice muley last year at about the same distance. If it was a deer, I don't think you could blame the ammunition, but on an elk its a different story. I just hope they weren't core-lokts, because those are the worst loads around. Poor bullet construction, poor accuracy, poor velocity, poor everything! What I don't get is how people can put so much time, money, and energy into a hunt and then refuse to buy premium slugs for the extra ten dollars or so a box.

"...and now it's time for me to go, the autumn moon lights my way..." -Led Zeppelin
 
>That's shitty. I lost a
>nice muley last year at
>about the same distance.
>If it was a deer,
>I don't think you could
>blame the ammunition, but on
>an elk its a different
>story. I just hope
>they weren't core-lokts, because those
>are the worst loads around.
> Poor bullet construction, poor
>accuracy, poor velocity, poor everything!
> What I don't get
>is how people can put
>so much time, money, and
>energy into a hunt and
>then refuse to buy premium
>slugs for the extra ten
>dollars or so a box.
>
>
>"...and now it's time for me
>to go, the autumn moon
>lights my way..." -Led Zeppelin
>


if you notice my statement i settled for the rem kore lock couldn't find federal premiums in 7saum...else i would have..
 
JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

JUDAS Manny!!!

YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE HEATED THREAD WE HAD ABOUT A YEAR & A HALF ABOUT REMINGTON CORE-LOKTS???

YOU DAMN WELL SHOULD OF LISTENED TO ME ON THAT ONE!!!

I LEARNED THE HARD WAY MYSELF OVER 20 YEARS AGO!!!

I'VE PASSED THE POOR PERFORMANCE OF THE CORE-LOKTS TO MM MEMBERS FOR YEARS & SEVERAL TIMES!!!

I SHOT A BUCK ONE YEAR & THE CORE LOKT SLUG DRILLED A PENCIL HOLE THROUGH THE BROADSIDE,HIT A RIB GOING IN & A RIB GOING OUT,NOTHING BUT A PENCIL HOLE!!!

ONE OF THESE DAYS SOMEBODY'S GONNA START LISTENING TO ME!!!

WHEN I DON'T KNOW!!!

THE ONLY bobcat SUGGESTING YOU BUY SOME REAL BULLETS FOR YOUR NEXT HUNT,YOU SURELY DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANOTHER ANIMAL DO YOU???
 
RE: JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

well im really new to MM and i dont want to hi jack this thread but i have used core-lokts in the past on elk. each one was a one shot kill. most of the bullets were a perfect mushroom, found just under the skin on the off shoulder. i even put them back inside the spent shells and wrote date/time on them to remember. i heard/read/and was harassed by my buddies about how bad they were until i quit using them. (they were all 7mm.) i now shoot a .300 wsm with accubonds. i have not shot at anything yet. 2 saterdays ago i saw a friend shoot a large bull with accubonds from a 7mm stw. 2 complete pass throughs, with small exit holes. they killed the bull where it stood, but it seemed like the accubonds did not expand at all, even though they are a premium bullet.

i have lost 2 animals since ive been hunting, and it sucks! i waited about a 1/2 hr before checking for blood ect and jumped both animals, and never recovered them. i have since recovered every animal ive shot, but i wait as long as i can before going after them. unless of course i can see them down and know it was a good hit, or its 100 deg in the desert, ect.

i think 257tony has it right, a well placed core-lokt, even if it fails to expand, or even if it falls apart, will do the job.
manny that really sucks you lost a bull.

sorry this was so long.
 
RE: JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

Most bullets, hell, even a rock would kill an animal if shot through the ribs. Try and break serious bone, like elk bone, with a core-lokt and you will be chasing a three legged bull around the mountains for quite some time. As for the accubonds not expanding, unless it was at very long range I am skeptical. I have used them in several rifles since they came out, killing 9 head of game ranging from antelope to elk, and each one further reinforces my notion that they are the best all around bullet on the market...

"...and now it's time for me to go, the autumn moon lights my way..." -Led Zeppelin
 
RE: JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

Manny!!!

TAKE MY ADVICE AGAIN!!!

THROW THE "JUNK" CORE-LOKTS AWAY & GET SOME DECENT AMMO!!!

I'M NOT KNOCKING YOUR GUN ALTHOUGH I DO PREFER NOTHING SMALLER THAN A .30 CALIBER MAGNUM FOR BIG STINKY BULL ELK!!!

SURE I CAN KILL A BULL WITH A 22 MAGNUM BUT WHY WOULD YOU CHANCE IT???

THE ONLY bobcat HOPEING YOU RECOVERED WHATS LEFT???
 

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