Wive's Tales

HunterHarry

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What wives tales seem to be prevelant in the hunting world that bug you?
The two that I have heard that always seem to come up are:
#1...Cutting the throat to "bleed it" If the heart has stopped you aint gonna force more blood out by cutting it's throat!
You will however ruin a perfectly good cape!
#2...A buck with a tall narrow rack is a "Brush Buck" because of the thick brush the antlers are forced to grow up and not out!
(What about those 40 inchers that come from incredibly brushy areas?)
Do you guys have more?
 
LOL Harry,

When I saw the title to the thread I was thinking this might be a picture post, dang the luck!

Mike
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"Chute planes are the demise of all trophy mule deer"!!!

I can't believe that POS, of a witch hunt post is still going.
 
This probably goes under the stupid hunter post, but I have a buddy that bought a horse because a old timer told him "nine times out of ten that you go out an a horse, you'll come back with a deer". Needless to say he still shoots nothing. LOL
 
dk,
Now that's pretty funny. It's funny how all guys think. LMAO!

OSOK,
Funny how clueless some guys are. LOL! The true demise of trophy mule deer are trophy mule deer hunters. LMAO!

HunterHarry,
I'm one that believes that 'Tall' timberbuck theory. Don't see too many 40 inchers in the books from up here. LOL!

The one that gets me all the time, "A trophy whitetail is wayyy smarter than a trophy mule deer."
 
BC,

You just reminded me of one that is just the opposite.

"Whitetails are stupid and easy to get." Now I understand that this is a mule deer site but come on, big bucks dont get big by being dumb guys, they are all cagey in their own ways.

Ahhh, ignorance is bliss.

Mike
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Whenever I hunt Wyoming, Montana or Idaho I am told by the locals that wolves and or Indians have killed off all the elk or deer. Then I find huge numbers of elk and or deer and little or no sign of wolves or Indians.
 
BCBOY,
Who are you calling clueless? What in the world is all this secret lingo and what does it stand for? ex.(LOL and LMAO)
 
30inch- Ignore them, its funny how all new guys to this sight get thrashed if they speak out of line or turn, especially by some of the "high class" golden oldies here. Its sad some of the cliques here that are lead by some of the so called leaders.
 
You need to catch up to the internet age man. LOL And LMAO and others are internet lingo. LOL means Laughing Out Loud, LMAO means Laughing My Ass Off. It ain't no secret lingo. LOL!
As to who I was calling Clueless, I guess that one would probably be you. LMFAO! I see you have come around after 160 some posts that you are pretty much the only guy with such a hate on for them flying contraptions.
 
{LOL} is Laughing out loud. {LMAO} is Laughing my Ass off. No secret lingo guys they are acronyms. Don't take offense nothing is personal. They don't know you. Everybody has the right to their own opinions. Right????
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-03 AT 06:08PM (MST)[p]BCBOY,
ooooo! I'm sorry I'm not as high tech and brilliant as you!! For someone that has never hunted the areas that I'm referring to, you sure do know alot!!!! As far as I'm concerned your just one of those guys that likes to pump himself up by cutting down others! You need to read the posts again because I'm not the only one that wants to enforce limitations! You need to concentrate more on the areas that you know about and stay out of areas the you are CLUELESS!!!! about. I don't care how long you have been posting on here it doesn't make you all knowing and an authority on everything!!! Maybe you can post somemore pictures for everyone to see so you can pump yourself up even more!! I'm sorry, I can't just ignore someone that has to cut others in order to make themselves look better.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-03 AT 06:16PM (MST)[p]I posted this on the "demise of trophy mule deer" thread but it is in the middle of the pack now so I will post it again here because I believe it contains numerous "wives tales".

Drum

30inchbucks,
Everybody here wants to see the number of quality bucks increase and we are all passionate about hunting these amazing animals. Its not your passion and committment that I question so I went back and reread your original post very carefully and again came away with the feeling that you have some underlying issues. The last paragraph, or conclusion, of your post pretty much sums it up:

"All we need is a statement that reads like this, ?I am in full support of amending the law to make it unlawful for any person to use chute planes or any other aircraft that hovers at any time of the year, in order to locate, observe, or harass any big game animal or protected wildlife? along with your name and full address"

I read on either this forum or one of the others that this was an article you had written and typically the last paragraph would be the conclusion and would sum up the point of the article. Your conclusion pretty much spells out what your real intent was.

Here are a few more points in your article that I find interesting seeing as to how this article was about more than just chute planes as you claim.

"A chute plane is an aircraft that holds 1 to 2 passengers and is able to hover at slow speeds. It uses a parachute for wings, a light-duty engine for power, and is also referred to as an ultralite. They are becoming more and more popular especially among the guides."
And your article is not going to be just about chute planes?

"Most of these bucks were purchased with the almighty dollar."
Most? I doubt it, the tax bracket you refer to all but negates the word "most" in this statement. Its also an insult to the guys that go out and hunt hard and find what they are looking for.

"But these areas are creating moneymaking opportunities for the guides, landowners, and even the fish and game (Governor Tags). These landowner, conservation, and governor tags are being sold to the rich for prices ranging from four to one hundred thousand dollars! The rich are able to hunt these units every year at the prime times and the rest of us are being left out."
And someone got mad when I mentioned jealousy

" This is where the chute plane comes into play as a major contributor to eliminating the big bucks."
Again, I thought that this was going to be about more than just chute planes?

" This year 2003 out of 127 public rifle tags there was one buck known of taken that was 30-inches plus. The magazines and books that come out will claim different and show pictures of big bucks taken, but what they don't tell is that the hunter paid big money to harvest it and chute planes were used to locate it."
If you only know of 10-12 people that have chute planes are you telling me that they guide every hunter in every magazine to all of those big deer? What a load of crap and its insulting to the people that dont complain and get out there and hunt their arses off. Furthermore, when did 30 inches constitute a "trophy" buck. I see 30 inch deer every year that I would not kill with somebody elses tag and conversely, I see sub-30" deer that I would give my left testicle to harvest.

?In the beginning God created everything including big bucks, then he created man and they bought chute planes, in the end there was nothing!?
Getting a little bit freaky here. I thought that chute planes were just a minor problem as you recently stated?

"Another thing we can do at a more personal level is not support these activities by purchasing their products. Names will not be mentioned but a lot of them are involved with creating videotapes, books, and magazines."
Again, there is an underlying issue here and its so transparent its not even funny! Seriously, tell us how you really feel about Ry..... OOPS, I forgot, you were not mentioning names. MY BAD!

In conclusion, I feel that your post was about more than the decline of trophy mule deer. If it were just about the decline of the mule deer I would hope that your article would include some major factors these deer have to deal with and some solutions other than just telling us exactly what to write and who to send it to. If you are wondering what I am refering to then go back and reread every post on this thread and you will see some very well thought out problems and solutions. If you have a problems with the wealthy, the landowners, guides and outfitters then you should just say so. I find it transparent and disgusting that you try and stereotype all of these individuals and blame them for the problems facing mule deer today. All of that being said, you stated something in your last post that could not have been more true and that was "everyone" and I repeat "everyone" that has posted on this site in my opinion cares what is happening with our mule deer here in the west or they wouldn't be posting their feelings." That statement could not be more true. In order to get ahead in this uphill battle we need to focus our attention to the areas that will make the most impact first and work our way down the list. Going after 12 guys with chute planes would be a minor problem in my book when you look objectively at the problems facing mule deer today.

Drummond
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-03 AT 06:35PM (MST)[p]Drummond,
Wow! I'm smart enough to bring my post over from another post too!

Unification is the answer. These wildlife groups apparently do not care enough to respond. I would be glad to be part of a group that cares that includes everyone that has posted. I think there are some really good ideas from everyone including the one's I have clashed with that need to be addressed and brought before our Fish and Game departments as well as our legislators. There have been alot of comments about tag numbers. Obviously, 97,000 tags given out every year in Utah is not the answer. How can we continue to give out that many turning everyone loose and properly manage our mule deer? I agree that each unit needs to be managed separately in order to manage properly. What's to stop everyone in one particular region from going to the same area to hunt? I know that would never happen but I'm just trying to make a point. There are no surveys that I have ever been sent as far as the general hunt is concerned so how can they know what hunter harvest is? They don't have a clue their just guessing! As far as surveys, this really gripes me too, when I drew a Paunsagunt any weapon tag this year they sent me the survey postmarked the last day of the season I hunted asking me for a tooth sample in order to determine age class of the deer. If they did this with everyone how many tooth samples are they going to get back? Wouldn't it make more sense to inform hunters before the hunt starts that they need a tooth sample? They just wasted $1.80 on postage for 127 rifle hunters for nothing! This is an example of how our fish and game is managing our deer herds! This kind of management practice needs to stop! Utah even though there has been drought has some of the best mule deer habitat in the West. Habitat is the excuse always used by the fish and game and is their major scapegoat for their bad management practices. I have also wondered why there has been only one predominantly trophy unit in the state (Paunsagunt) over the years. Wouldn't it make more sense to create some more or manage the general areas for more of a mature buck population? Wouldn't that take some pressure off of the Paunsagunt? Isn't every unit in the state have the capability of growing good bucks if tags were cut and deer could mature? I agree with alot of the points that have been made including cutting tags and raising fees to compensate the fish and game. You know they are worried about their money so doesn't that solve it? Cut the tags in half and double the price or cut the tags by 2/3's and triple the price. Back to the chute plane issue in which I have said all along it is not an issue on the general areas yet. They are an increasing problem though on the Paunsagunt and strip areas. Yes 12 planes focused in on 1 particular unit can be a problem! That is all I'm trying to say and enough with that. Somehow we need to all unify together and pool our thoughts into what is going to have the most effect on our mule deer right now. From the posts it seems like tag numbers is the #1 issue that needs to be addressed immediately! And I agree with alot of the other ideas that have been posted. Let's just get together because one voice is just pissing in the wind and a number of voices that unify can make a difference!

Maybe I need to emphasis the part in this where I talk about the planes and their effect on one unit is a problem! Again the problem is on the limited entry units that I have discussed! I'm not talking about all units and areas in the west having the problem yet! It works both ways, chute planes are not a problem as you have said could be a wive's tale too.
 
30 inch,
I think you probably haven't been reading all the posts on your little witch hunt. Here's another that was caught in the middle of the pack.
"Again, 30 inch, I feel that you have missed the point. What have 99% of the posts on here been telling you? There are way more factors that are more important to getting your herds back to the glory days than stopping chute planes. Am I for chute planes? No. I am for Trophy Mule Deer. I love it when people post pics of monster mule deer. I could care less if they are from Canada, the Pauns or the Strip. I think everyone on here has told you what needs to be done. Fight the good fight and focus your energies on something that will actually make a difference.
But you choose to ignore what everyone is saying. And as I've said in my other posts, more power to ya. Hope you get the results that you are seeking. Take this post to someone that is actually in power. If they read it, they will see that the sportsman have some real valid concerns. But, I doubt they will glean the overwhelming desire to ban chuteplanes from existance."
I don't see how this post can be taken in a manner that I am attacking you. Instead I am disagreeing with where you are focusing your energy. I have jumped on and included positive ideas that may help stop your state's decline in trophy mule deer, such as four point or better antler restrictions and the such. I have said that maybe you should be looking to somewhere where trophy mule deer are not in decline. Maybe you should do some research and find out why areas such as BC and Alberta have trophy mule deer on the increase. Instead of whinning and moaning about poor poor you that couldn't find a decent buck on the Pauns and it must be them damn guides fault.
BTW (By the Way), if you can't take a little joking maybe you've got to get out more. Laughing My F'ing Ass off
 
You don't know whether I got a deer on the Paunsagunt or not. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. If I did I surely wouldn't brag about it and plaster it all over, that just isn't me. My friends and family are the ones that I show my trophies to. The trophy doesn't make me a better hunter than someone else, it just means I worked hard and got lucky.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-15-03 AT 07:17PM (MST)[p]H-H
I agree with your "cutting the throat to let it bleed". I dont understand why some folks think that it does any good. All it does is ruin the cape and creates another place for bacteria to start its rampage.
Here is one that I heard this week on my hunting trip.
"If that 3 point makes it until next year, it will be a 4 point. And a 5 point the year after that and so on."
You have to laugh at the boners who think that you can judge the age of a buck by the number of points on it's rack! Haahaaaa..

"Deer never look up!"

"You can tell the sex of a deer by its poop."

"Bucks allways drag their feet"

"You can allways scare off a bear by looking big and screaming."

"Spike bucks are inferior and should be culled."

"Hunting at corn feeders is real hunting."

Eric
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Life long "vagitarian"
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So did you shoot a dink then? LMAO! Just kidding Man! Lighten up some! If you actually jump on this site with a little different attitude you'd probably like it. But if your whole goal is to stir the $hit, you'll find many guys like me poking the stick at the ol' bear. LOL!
 
I shoot monsters. Sorry, it's really hard for me to lighten up when our deer herd here in Utah is in such poor shape. I'll try but it's really hard when all you see on a general hunt are 1X2's and on limited entry the 20 incher. It just plain sucks. Sounds like I'll have to put in for Canada in the future.
 
If you do that you will go blind. oops I guess you wanted old wives tales that are about hunting :)

-I am sighted in to be dead on at 400 yards.
-The deer are used to my 4 wheeler it doesn't even scare 'em.
-Mule deer always run to the top of the hill and look back.
-Everytime my dad/uncles/me/buddies are out hunting we see a new world record but never get one bigger than 20 inches.......... Just kidding Cass.

Nemont
 
Monsters eh? Yea I bet. LOL! Hard to brag about something and have people believe ya if you're never gonna show us pictures. LOL! Or should I say Laughing My Freakin' Ass Off.
Hope you have no hard feelings dude. This is a great site and yes, most of us love seeing pictures of monsters. That's why this site exists. Maybe one day you'll stop feeling sorry for yourself and might join in on the fun. But, you've got a much higher moral standard than everyone else here don't ya? LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.
Best of luck to you one your one man crusade. I hope those flying bastards look back to this post and know that you were the guy that ended the unethical practice and saved the future of mule deer within the great state of Utah.
But seriously, the reason for the decline of trophy bucks is trophy buck killers like yourself.
BTW, You can put in for BC all you want. We ain't got a draw here. It is all over the counter. The one problem, you'd have to hire a guide, and we all know you hate guides, so I doubt you'll ever hunt here.
 
Nemont-If it made you go blind, every boy in America would be blind as a bat by the time he hit 15. heh heh heh

Biggest old wives tale on this site????????????????????????
The falacy that there aren't as many big bucks around because of reasons other than WE KILL TOO MANY. Period. There just aren't enough to go around any more.
 

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