Governor's Tag finally Killed

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A trusted grape vine source has said that the Utah Governor's Tag finally killed a monster non-typical somewhere near Park City, Just wondering if anyone has the skinny on the buck?
 
I hear its 37" wide and its a slug. I also heard the story but dont want to tell it because I can see the Governers tag debate firing up again and I get tired of hearing it. Anyway, Its hilarious! Some people amaze me! LMAO

Drummond
 
Hey Drum,
Just post up the story and lock it. Your a mod, you can do that you know. That's what they do over at RT anyways. LMAO! Or you could always just delete any post you don't like. LM(Butt)O. I learned that on at RT too.
If ya don't mind send me the story too at [email protected].
Anyone have any pics of this brute? Live or Dead? On Target you called it the Mayflower buck. You got any pics of it?
 
HEy BCBOY,

I think there is alot our moderators could learn from the boys at Realtite.....like do we have a "moderators only room", where they can go and discuss the problem children!! :) I like the whole delete it if you dont agree with it.....to hell with being openminded......it should be my way or no way!!! LM"christianized swear" off! :)

Hope you had a happy new year up north!!

Tuff
 
MuleyMaster, WTF is a reliable grape vine source ?
Sonora, I think I realized why I've been cranky lately, your going to Mexico & I'm not.
Tuff, I think you coined a perfect term for the R.T. fellers, I guess when you get that Christianize you also become blessed with a double dose of self-rightiousness.
As for the origianal post I'd love to hear if Governor boy scored.
 
huntsonora

Drummond, just wondering if you are going to email the story

David
 
RE: huntsonora

hey could you email me that story to please? thanks!

[email protected]

also, i heard Doyle Moss guided a hunter to a 414 gross 9x8 the other day anybody heard this? i cant wait to see the pics!
 
RE: huntsonora

Theres a pic of the buck on doyles web site,Go to the 2003 hunts link,and you will find a pic of the buck that was just harvested.......
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-01-04 AT 07:20PM (MST)[p]Great Buck but that is not the mayflower I did some extra checking & and the mayflower buck was killed by a car I will try and get some still shots of the video footage and post the mayflower buck it is a monster. huntsonora was right the story behind this buck of wills is something else, Congrats to Will
 
WOW!
Another great buck that eluded hunters during a legitimate season only to be gunned down in the dead of winter. That used to be considered poaching, until big money came into the picture. Now we'll hear what a great hunt it was and what a wonderfull contribution he made to wildlife conservation with the money he paid for the tag.
It dosen't take much of a hunter or guide to kill a buck like that this time of the year.
Wes

Screw the wolves, save the Cowboy!
 
This last post is EXACTLY why I am not going to tell the story. I am not getting on Wes, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion but I can see the excrement hitting the overhead appliance on this one. It would definately get nasty but it is pretty funny. I apologize but I am sure that the facts will be told here sooner or later.

Drummond
 
HEY Skunkshit

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE OR HUNT BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW EASY 37"-40"ERS ARE TO FIND IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS???

THE ONLY bobcat LOOKING FOR A 'RACK' LIKE THAT!!!
 
This post will be deleted of course. It carrys the of name of Utahs top "GUIDE" with it! I had been watching a couple post for the last week or so regarding Mr. Moss and his help and now they have disappeared? It is quit funny. Better be nice.
Do guides here in utah have any resrictions or any fees to take hunters on public lands and take these trophy animals?
 
HS
You are too gettin on me, but thanks for alowing me my opinion. You really can't call this type of killing, hunting can you? It doesn't take much skill to find bucks this time of the year when they're belly deep in snow and struggling to survive. Especially when you have evey person in the state who wants to be given credit and see their name in print for finding the buck, calling you with info on his whereabouts. Here's how it goes. Some guy bids an outragous fee for the privalage of killing a buck when he's most defencless. Then he contacts the BEST guide in the state. The Best guide in the state recieves tons of info on big bucks that are driven from their hideouts by heavy snow from all the wannabe guides who are dying to be heros. The BEST guide in the state shows the pictures to his hunter (?) who decides if any of them are big enuff to satisfy his ego. Then they all march out to the GPS coordinates and kill the buck, then make up a hillarous story about how difficult the hunt (?) was. And we're all told how the deer and ultimatley us as hunters benifit from the money received by the DWR from the sale of these tags. Give me a break! If I ever cave in to this type of killing I'll tear up my guide license and get a real job. Now I'm not gettin on you, just expressin my opinion.
Wes

Screw the wolves, save the Cowboy
 
wes

Wes...
Your last post was 100% correct. Just learned this buck was killed in Kamas also known as the Fitzgerald buck the buck was also killed on public land, where he has survived for 9+ years only to be taken in 4+ feet of deep snow 100 yards from the road WOW what a hard hunt LMAO
 
RE: wes

Skunk,
To play devil's advocate with ya, if that buck was indeed 9+ years old and living in 4+ feet of snow, do you think it would have made it through the winter anyways?
When do these Governer Tags start? Don't they start back in August? Wouldn't it be easier to shoot a buck before the regular hunting season from a chute plane? LMAO!
 
RE: wes

BCBOY?
You are right with the winter we are receiving here in Utah I'm sure he would have died this year. But don't you think after eluding hunters for 9 years he should have been able to die a natural death and not be killed on the winter range. Take the Wyoming living legend for example what would you have thought if some one was able to kill him his last year on the winter range?
 
RE: wes

BCBOY

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

YOU ARE GIVING IDEA'S THAT AIN'T GOOD,WE HAVE ENOUGH BAD HABITS IN THIS STATE!!!

NOW I KNOW WHAT BCBOY STANDS FOR:BAD CANADIAN BOY!!!

BAD!!!BAD!!!BAD!!!BOY!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WAITING TO DO A POOP CHUTE TUNE-UP!!!
 
RE: wes

Bobcat,
I'm not all that BAD!!! LOL! Just thought we could make this post a little more interesting. LMAO!
I do agree with Skunk about that last comment on the Wyoming Legends. I'm guessing Wyoming doesn't sell Govenor's tags?
How much does a guide get paid for on these hunts? Looks to me that the hunter buys the tag for say 20-50 grand and then pays an army of guides for 3 or 4 months straight to find him "THE" right buck. If the pay is good, maybe I should send down my resume. LMAO!
 
There is a 30 plus maybe 35 in. buck with 5 slightly smaller bucks eating from a hay stack about 5 miles from where I live. I just dont know that I could shoot him like that. It would be like shootin ducks on the water! I hope this Governor's deer was still on top of his game when he was shot and not eating hay in a stack yard!
 
RE: wes

BCBOY

THIS (GOVERNORS) TAG ALWAYS GOES HIGH,ALOT MORE THAN 20,000 AND USUALLY HIGHER THAN 50K!!!

YA SEE WITH THIS TAG THATS THE CHEAP PART,DIVORCE PAPERS COME WITH THE GOVERNORS AND SPORTSMAN TAGS!!!

YA,THE 'GUIDES' COULD GET EXPENSIVE,ALTHOUGH I KNOW DOYLE HAS GAVE A FEW GUY'S SOME NICE BREAKS,I'M JUST HOPING HE'S STILL AROUND WHEN I DRAW THE SPORTSMAN TAG,(LOL)!!!

REMEMBER,WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO GUIDE,PLEASE BRING SOME OF THEM BC BRUISERS WITH YOU,WE NEED SOME NEW BLOOD IN THE GENE POOL!!!

THE ONLY bobcat NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT FILLING A GOVERNORS TAG!!!
 
RE: wes

LAST EDITED ON Jan-02-04 AT 10:05PM (MST)[p]BC
I agree with ole Bobcatbessy, you're just stirrin the pot tryin to gat us all fired up and turn this otherwise civil discussin into a mudslingin, name callin, outta control dissagreement. If that happens the BEST guides in the state will start sayin we're just jealous of their and their hunters success. PHHHHHHHH!
So like Bessy said "shhhhhhhhhh"
Wes

SCREW the wolves, save the Cowboy, damit!
 
Congrats to the hunter and whoever helped!!
Looks like the "Cheater" buck of last year!!
Lets see if in the next couple years if one
of the "whiners" gets the sportsman tag if they
quit hunting after the general seasons close!!
Ray
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-04 AT 09:03AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-04 AT 09:02?AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-04 AT 08:27?AM (MST)

SteepDeep
No "whiner" here. I don't apply for the conservation tags because I don't believe those bucks should be "hunted" this late in the year. If I can't find a buck when the odds are in his favor then he wins for that year. Like I said earlier, if I had to resort to shooting deer in belly deep snow I'd quit guideing and hunting. Since you're obviously in support of "governors" tags and "conservation" tags maybe you would be willing to explain to those of us who aren't, what skill does it take to kill a deer when his defences are down and he's stressed by the heavy snow? He!! these deer are so stressed they're almost tame.
BC
See, what'd I tell ya.
Wes

Screw the wolves, save the Cowboy
 
for the last month or so since the post "the decline of 30inc. bucks" came along every body's been bitchin about the Dept. of game and fish and what a lousy job they've been donning and that money is all their after, I guess we should also note that some guide's and video-ografers (spelling.?.) greed as well, hell? can't beat 'em join 'em 'eh.....

Wes' you've brought up a subject not many have thought about, I guided for 11 years and mostly gave it up because the deer heard has dwindled so bad I couldn't live with the guilt of all the deer we were harvesting anymore......
 
Wes, it takes about as much skill as killing a big buck on the Alton on Sept 1, or as much skill as shooting a buck on the Henrys on Sept 1. All the hunter has to do is pull the trigger, because the guides have done all the work. (Out of season guiding is different than General Season Guiding). I personally think that the tag is a joke, but I understand people putting in for it.

All the State (Utah, Arizona, Oregon, or any other that has Gov Tags) would have to do is raise License Fees by 50 cents and they would recover their money and save 1-2 great specimens and not have all the negative publicity. No doubt, many local Non-Hunters are upset in the area the buck was killed. My friend called me the next day extremely upset that the deer was killed.

I remeber when Troy guided Dan on the buck above PG. We watched that deer for weeks and he came onto our farm many times. Not a good feeling for me and many others that watched it.
 
Wes,
You are mistaken, I am not singeling you out. You obviously have your opinion and I have mine but what has happened every time this subject gets brought up? It gets UGLY. Hell, if anyone is to blame then blame it on me, I am probably the most outspoken but beating this dead horse is old. If I posted the story it would just blow up so I am choosing to leave well enough alone.
Drum
 
Wes, skunkterd & others

Wes, skunkterd & others why are you so hard on these guys are you jealous
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

Guess you guys would be for these changes:

1) Eliminate all early seasons and any season during any part of the rut. All of these so called "quality" hunts are too easy.

2) Illegal to shoot any animal less than 1 mile from your vehicle (not enough work involved to EARN it).

3) Any season running when a big snowstorm that causes animals to start their migration will be closed the day the migration starts. Even if you are out in the field during an open season, you are not allowed to shoot a migrating buck.

4) Only spears and bow and arrows allowed, no more gun hunting (not fair to the game).

Have any of you complainers ever shot (or guided for) an animal during the rut, migration, just after exiting the vehicle, or at 450 yards with a high powered rifle??? Wasn't that easier than it was supposed to be.

If you feel so strongly about it, mount a fundraiser to raise money and buy the tag. You can then burn it in a public cermony. If enough people feel as you do, shouldn't be a problem. That is called putting your money where your mouth is.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

Just curious if anyone knows what 4 feet of snow looks like? I'm lookin' at those pics and it looks like maybe 4 inches not 4 feet. LOL! I can see that is definately belly deep there guys. LMAO! If this deer is so poor and defenseless at this time of year, how did he elude cougars and yotes and other predators his whole 9+ years of life on the winter range?
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

BCBOY

DON'T YOU KNOW AFTER SEVERAL YEARS WITH NOT MUCH SNOW,WHEN WE FINALLY GET 4 INCHES THE RULE IS TO MULTIPLY IT TILL IT SOUNDS GOOD AND KEEPS THE SKIER'S HAPPY???

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A 60K TO 80K BUCK TO YOU???

HAVE YOU SEEN ANY BC BRUISERS RECENTLY???

THE ONLY bobcat LOOKING FOR A 'RACK' LIKE THAT!!!
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

I wouldn't pay that much for a buck like that. It does have some character with some great outside width but I think I could have got that hunter a buck that would score the same or better for a hell of a lot cheaper. LOL! Heck, I just saw one last week that had a lot more mass, a lot more points and a way better mainframe.
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-04 AT 07:12PM (MST)[p]I suggest a thorough reading of Dr. Valerius Geist's interview in the latest "BUGLE" magazine, for some insights into the future of hunting. Yes.............. I think Dr. Geist gets it!
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

BCBOY More like, You couldn't pay for a buck like that.Even if you sold your house and firstborn. LOL But wouln't you like to be payed that much to find one? That's more than two years salary.
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

With how much I made this year, that's like 3 years salary. LMAO! Nice to be POOR and HAPPY though! It's a good thing you don't need money to shoot big bucks here. It seems that much of the West is heading towards a European Style of Management where the Rich are the only ones that can hunt. You can bet if it ever where to get that way here, I'd still be hunting the "king's deer".
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

he!! I'm proud of them for waitin till after the rut to kill that buck. much better than all you guys killin them in october before they get a chance to pass on there genes.........
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

BCBOY...
There were other bucks much bigger then the buck they killed the only problem is Mr. Mossback had to be involved or it was a no go. And not everyone wanted mossback involved so this is the best buck mossback could come up with!!!!!


Remember you can ##### the tourist but there in no shitting skunk #####
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

HEY SKUNKSHITT

WHERE ARE THESE BUCKS THAT ARE MUCH BIGGER???

I WOULDN'T MIND GETTING A SNAPSHOT OF THEM,I KNOW YOU AIN'T GONNA TELL ME,FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THEY PROBABLY AIN'T LIVING IN A PRIMO LIMITED ENTRY UNIT ARE THEY???

REMEMBER:YOU CAN ONLY DO YOUR BEST,AT LEAST THATS ALL I'VE EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO!!!

I KNOW I'LL NEVER DRAW A SPORTSMAN PERMIT,BUT IF I DO I WILL BE CONTACTING YOU SKUNKSHITT,I AIN'T NO TOURIST AND I AIN'T SKUNKSHITTING YOU ONE BIT!!!

THE ONLY bobcat LOOKING FOR A MUCH BIGGER 'RACK'!!!
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

JUST SAW A PIC OF THE BUCK AND IF THATS ALL BIG MONEY DOYLE CAN COME UP WITH HE'S GONNA BE SOL IN YEARS TO COME.HECK I'LL GIVE UP SOME OF THE BUCKS I'VE BEEN WATCHING FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS I THINK THE HOLE GOV AND BIG MONEY TAGS SHOULB BE DONE AWAY WITH, WHAT A JOKE!! WHATS THE CHALLENGE OF HUNTING ANY ANIMAL ON THE WINTER RANGE?
 
RE: Wes, skunkterd & others

Looks like 70K, well spent to me. (rolling eyes).

I wouldn't shoot that buck, on my $23 dollar Colorado resident tag...

I guess all 30inch bucks fears are true. There are none left in Utahianville...LOL
 
I see mossback guide serv, came all the way out to Cali. to kill one of our tule elk.....wow......
 
Tag $50,000, Mossbacks fee $20,000, + $5,000 to $10,000 for the finders fee. total $75,000 to $80,000 sounds like this guy has more dollars then cents. LMAO
 
BCBOY-

So when can I come up and hunt those big bucks, since we don't have deer like that in AZ!

Since I'm on the board of directors of the AZ DEER ASS'N, I am for the govenors tags. All the tag money WE raise goes to habitat preservation, water programs, etc. I think there is a place for govenor's tags, as long as it stays in check and doesn't get out of hand. However, for those of you against these tags, I would suggest (as was above in a previous post) mount your own organization against this activity. Until then, there's not much that you can do about it.

Guess it goes back to "if you don't like something, change it" but remember, that at least here in AZ, I persoanlly know and am involved in the allocation of use of these funds. Remember the term "opportunity costs" form economics? Is one or 2 monster deer worth the well being of the herd? I think so, but that's my personal opinion.

Scott G.
 
PotatoWhisperer,

You are correct on the opportunity costs, there is a lot of money raised by these one or two tags. But, ethically, I would submit to you that if you are sacrificing one or two mule deer bucks, than you should maximize the revenue generated by these sacrifices. A lottery type system, maybe over several states, would generate far more money than auctioning the tag. I would like to understand the decision making criteria behind an auction. Why would you do an auction, when you could use another system to generate MORE revenue? If the revenue is such a good thing for the deer herd, than it would follow that you would want to maximize the revenue? These governer tags are PR stunts by the fish and game depts and big money generators for people like Mossback. The game and fish gets to have a big splashy banquet and tell everybody that they have come up with this great way to help mule deer, and the guiding and video business get to soak a rich guy for an additional 20 or 30 grand. A simple lottery type system would accomplish the same thing and would be much more ethical. What do you think the response in AZ would be (from the guides) to changing the system to a lottery style system? I think we all know the answer to that one.

But, I am truly interested to know if one of your decision making criteria with these tags is making sure that you are maximizing the revenue gained from them? If we are going to use economics to justify these tags, than we better be maximizing the revenue. Wouldn't a better and fairer system (since mule deer are a public resource) be to just have a lottery style system that everybody in the state (or multiple states) could participate in?

muleyguy
 
Muleguy-

I actually like the idea you have and I'll propose it to the other board members at our next meeting. The only issues I see are the marketing costs on a venture like this. Not saying it can't be done, but I will propose it at the next meeting to see if we could generate more money for the cause! Thanks for your input!

Scott G.
 
Muleyguy,
Great idea! It's great to see someone with some clout from Arizona taking it to heart. Now if someone from Utah could just see the light too!
 
That looks just like the buck the Governors tag holder passed on last year, great buck! The money from those tags helps out everywhere in the State, if I had that kind of money I would probable be hunting with that tag too.
 
Idaho has, in the near past, had 2 sheep tags, one lottery and one auction. I know a couple times they made more $$ on the auction. $$ made probably depends on how it is promoted/marketed. The lottery tickets where available to residents and nonresidents. Don't know how they currently market there sheep tags. But deer tags maybe a different critter entirely.

from the "Heartland of Wyoming"
 
All Utah (or any state) would have to do is raise license fees by 50 cents. This would provide the same $$$ and save the deer. It would also save us all the headaches and BS associated with these tags.

Anyone too cheap to not pay the extra 50 cents and save 2 of the great bucks?????
 
2-point...there is a difference between the STATE getting the revenues and the AZ DEER ASSS'N getting the money! Yes the state can do some things with their money, but they can't do everything because they have budgets, etc to deal with. The deer ass'n utilizes the money to help with habitat projects to better serve the deer and of course other wildlife benefits as well. Another thing is, when the state does things, they have to pay for labor costs...with the ADA we use volunteers to help with these projects, which in turn means one lest cost (which is BIG) so we are able to do MORE with the money we raise. So by the state raising their fees by .50 cents will earn more money, but doesn't guarantee the funds will go to habitat projects. With the ADA raising more money it means we can do more because we are a non-profit orginazation and other then operatig costs for the organization, all the funds go to help deer!!!

Scott G.
 
Scott,
I can almost gaurentee if you raise tag fee's by 50 cents the state will pocket the profit and the wildlife org's won't see a dime...."I LOVE THE LOTTERY IDEA"...Give everybody the opportunity to draw that tag...As it is only the wealthy will EVER get the tag....
 
The lottery would generate more money I believe than the current high bidder situation we have. Even anti-hunters will buy tickets for this just to keep the hunt from taking place. I know there's a lot of anti-hunters that put in for hunts just so they can burn the tags.
 
We allready have a lottery it is called the sportsmans tag! Can anyone tell me that it makes more money for the state that the Governors tag does. If my calculations are right 2500 people at $5 each is about 37500 short.
 
I know that people are going to accuse me of being jealous after making the statement I'm going to, but why does it seem like the guys that always buy the governors tags appear to be fat roly poly schmucks? It's no wonder they have to have a guide to show them a good animal.

This guy here looks like he could be the brother of the dufus who won the sportsmans tag for elk last year and took the new UT state record.

I know Doyle's got to make a living and all, and that I'm sure that alone did wonders for his business, but if he's that well renowned, then you would think he could somewhat pick and choose whom he guides. I know this isn't logical from a business perspective, but there needs to be some consideration and respect given to the animal. The guy who took the new UT record for elk obviously didn't have any respect for his query and didn't appear to give a rat's ass one way or the other. If I was Doyle, after I found out the guy lost his contact lense, I would've said, "You know what, you don't deserve to shoot an animal of this caliber." Here's your money back." Again, I know that goes against everything logical when money is talking, but still I'm getting sick of these rich bastards that don't know their heads from their asses thinking they can just pay enough money, and someone will come running to wipe their ass if they wanted them to. I realize the Sportsmans tag is an exception, and that you don't have to pay for it, but if you're going to put in for it, then be serious about it by chance you actually draw out!

I'll shut up now.

Eyeguard
 
The problem is that for enough money someone will always "come running to wipe their ass".

Welcome to capitalism 101.

Big bucks are worth big bucks. Apparently $50g
 

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