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Azhunter22

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Hey all, went up to 17A yesterday for a little hunting, i was road hunting because I hurt my ankle about 3 weeks ago and it is still healing and plus i had my 2 yr old and my brother and sisters kids along with myself and my brother. Well while we were driving we saw this buck that was a great buck for that unit probably the best buck i have seen there, and plus it was right next to the road well i took about a 55 yard shot. As i was just getting ready to release the arrow he turned and quartered away and i took the shot and he jumped at the string and my arrow missed badly. Toward the end of the day, my brother saw this herd cross in front of us and he got out and tryed to get a little closer but it was nearly impossible being that they saw the vehicle and there were 17 does and 1 buck a huge 4x4 and i dont know but it might of had a droptine but it could have been somthing stuck in his antlers or just the branches. Anyway my brother got a shot at about 60-65 yrds and he put his arrow right on target but high needless to say he missed also, funny thing was that we found fur on the broadhead so he didnt miss by much. I wish my ankle would hurry and heal cause I dont like to stay close to the roads by any means but hey it was a chance to show my son some deer and get away.-Justin
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-04 AT 05:18PM (MST)[p]Ha Ha Ha Ha! That was a good one Nemont! I'm still laughing about it.

EG
 
Nope the name isnt Cass its Justin, and it is for smart @$$es like yourself that threads on this website turn to talkin crap. so leave the bull crap comments to yourself. It would help if you grew up and stopped thinkin everybody is lying or telling fish stories. thanks Justin
 
Azhunter,

You gotta admit that was funny, don't take it so personal, I love the funny stuff but I do know it gets out of hand, but you walked right into that one. Keep it up taking those kids.

JB
 
dont ya think thats kinda far for the averager archers? i know two people who are WORLD CHAMPION ARCHERS and the farthest they would shoot is 65 yards. terry and michelle ragsdale, grew up with their son. so im just askin? are those responsible shots if world cahmpion archers wouldnt even shoot that far? not challenging ur ethics just questioning the ability to know when to and when not to shoot
casey
 
well I always go by this if you can keep 4 or 5 arrows in a paper plate at 60 yards or so it should be ok to take those 60 to 65 shots i shoot on an average about 3 or 4 times a week i have a range in my back yard that could go 80 yards if i wanted to but i dont even practice that far cause i would never make a shot passed 60 that is my farthest. At 40 yards i can keep my arrows in a real tight patterm making fletches touch and at 60 in a plate so i have no problem with that. I have been shooting a bow for at least 12-13 years and im 22 now so i can make some of those further shots. I dont know how i walked into that stuff about cass so whatever about that if a thread goes bad in here i really ignore it cause they getpretty stupid most of the time.
 
They have bow season this late? Didn't know that. I suspect that when you are 44 (I am 45), you may have a different perspective on how far is too far. Back when I bowhunted, I practiced more than you, and had tight groups, but never shot past 30 yards. Too much can go wrong at 60 yards. That is twice the distance (time) for a deer to jump the string or just move, which means that even if you put the arrow exactly where you aimed, the deer has more time to move. By your own story, both shots missed. Wouldn't have taken much for those misses to be wounded deer. Something to think about. 60 yards would be an unethical shot for me. Only you can decide what is ethical for you.

As far as people thinking this was a bogus post, most people don't post/admit to shooting farther than most people think is ok, and admit missing at that distance. You have to admit, it seems fishy on the surface. Like someone trying to get a rise out of others.

Good hunting

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Dont ever come to idaho. your not welcome here. 65 yard shots with a bow?? come on. i suspect nearly all of your game at that distance will jump the string. Hunting with little kids in the car and taking unmakable shots with a bow. smart real smart.
 
Guys give it up. This site is getting worse and worse by the day. Hunting is for having fun. I don't understand why so many guys on this site sit around all day every day waitng for the opportunity to pick apart someone else post. Each of us as an individual has many decisions to make in our lives, and those decisions are differant for each of us. I personnaly know a few guys that are capable of making a 60 yard shot, I know others that are only able to hit at 25-30. Just becuase this guy missed a shot at 60 yards, in no way means he is not qualified. I'll bet 95-100% of the guys on this site have missed a 25-35 yard shot, this does not mean they should not be taking the shot. Hunting includes misses, and yes I hate to say it but animals get injured. Our job is to do all we can to make sure that animals do not get injured and left to die, but no one has the right to put limits on anothers shooting abilities.
This site really needs some help. So please take the advice of a wise old bunny and put it in practice, "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all."

About the original post, sorry that you and your brother missed shot nice deer. I know what your feeling, I missed a real nice buck back in October with the muzzleloader. Hope your ankle gets feeling better, wish you and the family the best of luck on you future hunting trips.

borntohunt
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-04 AT 09:40AM (MST)[p]
O.K. maybe the Cass wisecrack wasn't nice but it sounded a lot like some of his early stories. IMO taking 55 yard shots at quartering away deer with a bow seems like it is pushing the envelope. That is just my opinion, you say you can shoot at 60 yards consistently so for you it was okay.

I don't stay up all night waiting to pick apart someones posts. I rarely post. This particular post just seemed like it was made to get a rise out of people.

"i was road hunting because I hurt my ankle about 3 weeks ago and it is still healing and plus i had my 2 yr old and my brother and sisters kids along with myself and my brother. Well while we were driving we saw this buck that was a great buck for that unit probably the best buck i have seen there, and plus it was right next to the road well i took about a 55 yard shot".

Azhunter22 if someone else posted their story and it sounded like that what would you think? I am sorry you took it to heart just was making, what I thought was, a light hearted comment.

Nemont
 
I'm sorry,

But you come into a forum ranting about taking pot-shots from the road, and you didn't expect anybody to give you a ribbing???

I'm confused!!!
 
Why it that when someone on this site relates a "legal" hunting experience the thread changes to questioning the hunters "ethics"? If he can kill a deer from 65 yards(and I am not saying he can or can't) he is a better shot than me.
 
Great OSOK found this post, its doomed!!! :)

Now remember OSOK, you resolution to be nicer to people and to not stir the chit as much!!! :) Or was that my resolution......i cant remember.LMAO!!

TUFF
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-04 AT 11:49AM (MST)[p]I never said i shot from the road, i said we were ropad hunting, which means driving the roads looing for game right. I took a couple steps off of the road. As for it quatering away it wasnt completely that way it was like inbetween a broadside and a quartering shot, but i used quartering away cause he wasnt looking at me sideways. As for the Ankle i hurt it on a dirt bike about 3 weeks ago jumping dirtbikes, landed and me for hit the edge of a rut and spun it backwards. Everybody in here questions ethics and tries to act like the perfect hunter, well welcome to the real world nobody is perfect, and im sure everybody in here has taken a 55-65 yard shot. I read a post of a guy bragging a 100 yard shot now that is pushing the envelope by alot, and for those guys sticking up for me thanks. If my ankle would get better, being that im on my feet all day long at home and at work it rarely gets a break,, if i could walk and try to stalk up on game i would but hey sometime stuff happens that makes you have to do things different ways. Now about having the kids with us, mine is 2, and the others were almost 4 and 6, kids at 2 and 3 dont understand the concept of hush up and dont make a sound, now the 6 yr old would have been fine to take out and hike with. When you take kids anywhere and they walk considerable distances it turns into a grudge match of, im tired and hold so thats why they will not go out on a hike until they can learn to be queit and not w2hine about getting held. I have taken my son on mile long hike inn the white tanks before but thats a mile and not 5 or 6 walkiing up and down canyons. So before you question anybody elses ethics look at yourself and im sure you have takin long shots and have driven around in a car looking for game before, I mean what would you do if you were driving to your hunting spot and a herd of deer jump the road in front of you wave to them no your gonna get out and either take a shot or follow them if you can. I tried to chase a couple that we saw and my ankle gave out and i twisted it again. So dont tell me everytime you see an animal while your driving and you are hunting that you dont try to get out and shoot it. I DONT THINK I WANT TO GO TO IDAHO EITHER YIPHOWL IF EVERYBODY THERE IS A SIMPLE MINDED AS YOU, I SUPPOSE YOU HAVE NOT EVER ROAD HUNTED NOT A DAY IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT. YOU MUST BE A GUY THAT WAVES WHEN AN ANIMAL YOUR HUNTING JUMPS IN THE ROAD OR STANDS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS YOU DRIVE BY RIGHT."SMART REAL SMART"
 
HEY JUSTIN,
I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR KIDS WITH YOU ANY CHANCE THAT YOU CAN. BEING THAT YOU CAN BARELY WALK I GUESS YOU SHOULDN'T GO HUNTING, SO I GUESS I WON'T ASK YOU NEXT TIME. BEING THAT I KNEW YOU COULDN'T WALK I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE TO TAKE THE KIDS FOR A DRIVE TO SEE SOME ANIMALS. ME AND YOU BOTH HAVE DEER TAGS SO WE TOOK OUR BOWS, WE JUST HAPPENED TO SEE TWO VERY NICE DEER THAT DAY, I WILL ADMIT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SHOT AT 65 YARD BUT, I GUESS THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DO THAT WE SHOULDN'T, I DO PRACTICE AT 65 YARDS ALMOST EVERY DAY, BUT EVERYBODY MISSES. BUCK FEVER I GUESS, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED ANY CHANCE I GET TO TAKE MY KIDS OUT I WILL. MY SON IS FOUR YEARS OLD AND LOVES THE OUTDOORS, THAT IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EVER BEEN (HUNTING), HE GOT LUCKY THAT DAY TOO, HE SEEN ELK, ANTELOPE, DEER, AND COYOTES.

I GUESS THE WAY I SEE IT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE ALL LOOK AT THESE POSTS AND THINK [ HE'S LYING ][ THAT IS UNETHICAL ][ THAT WAS STUPID ][I WOULD NEVER DO THAT ][WHAT IF THIS HAPPENED ] AND I GUESS WHEN WE DO THAT AND IT IS NOT ME/US WE TEND TO JUDGE PEOPLE A LITTLE ON THE HARSH SIDE.
 
Osok:

By no means did I assume that he was shooting directly from the road. I assumed that he was of the road at a legal distance.

Jason
 
Okay....here it goes....

I have never road hunted....I have never taken a 65 yard shot with my bow...

If you feel good taking the shot, good for you, more power to ya, some people would take it, others wouldnt...to each their own, as long as it is legal.

As far as the road hunting is concerned....again, to each their own.

I do see where some people might be a little concerned on the ethics part of this, but oh well. The only thing I was overly concerned with was this...You have an injured ankle that keeps you from hiking around. You take a 50 yard plus shot...what if you hit the deer, but he didnt drop immediately, but was wounded and you needed to track him....how were you planning on doing this.....I have seen wounded deer go for miles...and miles....As far as Im concerned the only real beef I have with this whole thing is that you need to prepare for the worst and hopr for the best...it would be a shame to see a wounded deer lost and left to suffer and die, cause you weren't prepared to go after it.

After all that has been said, I wish you luck in your hunting adventures. Hopefully you will connect on that buck of a lifetime and we will get to see some awesome pics!! GOOD LUCK!!

TUFF
 
TUFF,
WE REALLY DIDN'T PREPARE OR EXPECT TO SEE ANY BUCKS WORTH SHOOTING FROM THE ROAD IN JANUARY, WE WERE JUST TAKING OUR KIDS OUT, IF HE WOULD HAVE HIT A DEER I WAS FULLY PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING NEEDED TO TRACK AND FIND IT, I DID HAVE MY PACK AND GEAR TO STAY IF I NEEDED TO. JUSTIN WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE KIDS HOME AND PICKED UP WHATEVER ELSE WE MIGHT NEED INCLUDING MORE PEOPLE TO FIND A WOUNDED DEER.
GOOD LUCK HUNTING TO YOU TUFF AND TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
KEITH
 
Hey Arizona cass, i believe bow hunting in general is unethical, so i choose to not participate in that sport. i do however know several people are are excellent at it and they disapprove of your tactics. even the pros dont take shots over 50 yards. 40 yards is pushing the envelope, 65 yards is just plain foolish. i have however passed on several big bulls and some really nice bucks because they were out of range during rifle season. your completely right i choose not to road hunt. see you are smart. that discernment i guess comes either with age or experiance. hopefully you will gain some of each in time.
 
so all you guys who dont road hunt just ignore every thing but the road during hunting season. when you drive back to camp from a morning hunt and you see a nice buck from the road you are just going to ignore it. YAH RIGHT, dont kid yourself, anyone of use would get out and try to get a shot at the deer, maybe not a 65 yards, but we would all try nonetheless. I often go out in the afternoons after school during deer season, and road hun, this doesnt consist of shooting from the road, it just means driving around to see if i can see any deer. I get out of school at 3:31, not nearly enought time for a good hunt. why walk one mile looking for deer, when i can drive 30. driving, i am 10 times as likey to see a big buck.



Later Yall!!!!
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Hey yall.............Hate to break the news, but road hunting is illegal in Az. The definition of road hunting is using a vehicle for the purpose of locating or pursuing game. Daren is the Game Warden in that unit and is the one who gave me that definition. I don't see a problem with a 55 yard shot. I took my turkey at 52 yards, I took my elk just over 40. If you have the skill take it. As far as road hunting. It is illegal, and you can get cited for it. They are pretty lose on the law, and it leaves room for judgment, just use good sense. I think if you are taking your kids out for the hunt so they can enjoy the outdoors you should be able to drive around, gives them a chance to see critters.
 
people may say they have never road hunted before, and there was a post about road hunting a while back that had alot of different point of views, but in some way shape or form everybody has in some point in time done it. Either it be you are driving back to camp for lunch and see a nice animal on the side of the road or happen to be headed to your hunting spot a little late after daybreak anything along those lines. CAUSE NOBODY WOULD PASS UP A NICE BUCK IF IT RAN IN THE ROAD IN FRONT OF THEM. I read a post today on coues whitetail of a guy who hit a deer high under the spine and above the heart lung area at 20 yrds and still hasnt found his animal and it has been a few days, Now if you practice at 60 yards alot and misjudge distance and completely miss and animal there is no harm but at 20 yards you wound and animal and cant find it. YOU TELL ME WHAT IS WORSE. I shoot my bow like i said on an average of 3 or 4 times a week maybe more maybe less but all throughout the year and i am very confident with a shot at 60 yards on hitting where i aim. Nobody can not make an animal jump the string and nobody is a perfect judge of distance without a range finder, 5 yards can make all the difference on the longer shots. Now if the shot was a hit and a kill then what would all the critics be saying? that is my question. I think your opinions would change.
 
Az: How many deer have you killed with a bow? Just curious.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
HevyW8t, for being soaking wet new you sure know how to stir the pot. Since you haven't posted that much, I've yet to see what kind of person you really are. But just how is Archery hunting unethical? Have you ever done it? Do you think it is easier than rifle hunting? Please explaine, I'm really wanting to hear this.

Michael~All Gods creatures welcome... right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
one thing that i'm surprised nobody has mentioned. when theres fur on the broadhead-thats not "didn't miss by much".

sam
 
You know what is kind of funny is that some of you guys act like you should either be born a great hunter or just not hunt at all. I bet that is how we now have so many people out there who are opposed to hunting, fishing, trapping, etc. we have these tree huggers and PETA members who just don't get it. Isn?t it better to have some guys out there who hunt , but may not be the best at it. Or should they just quit and also when they quit I guess their kids won't be getting to do it either. A bad hunter can be taught and can learn from their own mistakes, but must keep trying, quitters never learn. I didn't start hunting deer until I was 17 years old, my dad didn't hunt deer, my dad hunted dove and quail and that was pretty much it. He took me deer hunting because I wanted to go. He did shoot a bow, he bought me one we practiced and we just went. We went more often in the following years and took my younger brothers as they got older. You know I look back and really don't care that me and my dad never got a deer together but we got to spend a lot of time together. We spent time as a family hunting and fishing. He didn't know much about hunting deer, but we still went. We lost our dad a couple of years ago. I have learned a lot from you guys on this website and others and from my own mistakes over the years and I hope to get better. You more experienced hunters on this website can be very helpful, and I don't think you should be so critical of the less experienced hunters. You guys could just as easily give helpful advice instead of telling somebody how stupid or unethical they are.
Good luck to all, and just remember that we should try to help one another more often it will pay off in the future.
Keith
 
I was going to stay out of this one but...................

>I bet
>that is how we now
>have so many people out
>there who are opposed to
>hunting, fishing, trapping, etc.

The actual reason we have people against hunting, fishing, et. al. is because we have people taking pot-shots at animals.

>we
>have these tree huggers and
>PETA members who just don't
>get it.

And your supplying them with ammo.

>Good luck to all, and just
>remember that we should try
>to help one another more
>often it will pay off
> in the future.

I agree. So please take some advice: 65 yards is too far to take a shot at an animal. Bad things can and WILL happen with bow hunting at all distances, after all - we are trying to kill a very tough animal with a stick. The frequency just seems to be much higher when your talking about shots of 50+ yards. We can debate this for weeks, get everyone all worked up and pissed at each other (this will probably happen anyways), but the fact is when you let the string loose, you had better be damn sure it is going to hit home, or you have no right letting the arrow go. I have no doubt that you practice plenty and can put a half dozen arrows in a paper plate at 65 yards, still doesn't give you the right to shoot at an animal at 65.

Don't just take my remarks as harsh and get defensive, I'm not just stating them to pick on you or start a MM arguement, I really do live by what I have stated and have passed on many, many animals that were just a little bit out of my range. Sounds like maybe "buck fever" played a little part in your situation, I can totally understand this, I get it as bad or worse as anybody. I can also go in my backyard and tear fletchings off at 50, 60, 70 yards - all day long. Put a little fur in front of me and the situation changes. Add to all this the fact that there is just way too much time involved for an arrow to fly 65 yards. Deer can do damn near anything in that amount of time, wether it is reacting to the string or not. I've always stated my personal range is 40 yards. I've yet to take a shot over 28, had a few in the 35-40 range, but just didn't feel comfortable. I encourage you (and everybody) to find a range where if you shot at an animal and you missed/did not recover, you would be genuinly suprised, because you would have been confident it was going to hit home. I think we would all be better off if we did this.
 
ok, i'll put it another way. that fur on the broadhead was connected at one point to the deer you"just barely missed" it is likely that at some point, your broadhead contacted the deer at the point where the fur was once attached. in other words, you wounded a deer, to one extent or another.. dont do that, if you wound a deer, find the deer. if you aren't willing to learn to do that, dont take rediculous long shots with a bow and arrow. i will guarantee that there is one thing that is a bigger threat to hunting than peta, and all those other organizations-the slob hunter, and thats exactly what this idiot is.

sam
 
RE: I was going to stay out of this one but...................

LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-04 AT 09:48PM (MST)[p]Steelie: I think you have said it best. Young uns, listen to his wisdom. You came on here to share and gain from others wisdom. He just said some. Just think about it.

I don't think you heard any condemning or name calling from either him or I, just some friendly advice from some who have been your age and are now older (for sure) and wiser (hopefully).

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
RE: I was going to stay out of this one but...................

TX, STEELIE
You are right and that is the kind of advice needed, it was well put, you are not trying to start an argument or belittle somebody. I should say constructive criticism when well said will get you to think again before doing something stupid, but some of the name calling that goes on just causes problems.
Thanks Keith
 
not trying to judge anyone here but....in the AZ game law book is "a couple of steps off the road" legal??? always thought a person had to be a tad more then that from a road.
 
Yes I believe in Arizona if you are on a Forest Service Road and you see game, you cannot shoot from the vehicle or road. You must step off the road (How much who knows)and not shoot across the road. I believe the clause in there that you cannot pursue game with a vehicle means that you cannot come off an designated roads with your vehicle to chase or pursue game not necessarily you cannot hunt from your vehicle. If this was the case we are all guilty due to the fact we all have to drive to our hunting spot and if you see game on the way...... Need I say more.....
 
Jbone, first of all let me say that there are idiots in all forms of hunting. Idaho has plenty of them. I have seen jackasses flock shoot everything from elk to geese to antelope. I have several friends who bow hunt, and are excellent at taking big game in that fashion. Of my friends who bow hunt, all of them at one one time or another have lost big game due to an ill placed shot. I have been asked on several occasions to help track a wounded animal. Of them none were found. I can not say that about my rifle hunting buddies. I believe the window for error in bow hunting is much larger than in rifle hunting. Therefore an archer must be able to make better decisions on shot placement than a rifle hunter. Therefore i think that successful archers, are bettter hunters than rifle hunters. A badly placed arrow is a much bigger problem than a badley placed bullet imho. This past year a buddy of mine who has taken some incredible elk, shot a great 6x6 bull. He shot it at dusk, and it took him over 24 hours to find it. By the time he got it out and back to town, the butcher told him the meat had spoiled. Could this have happened to me with my rifle? Absolutely. It makes me sick to think that an entire elk was ruined. So in my opinion, which i am entitled to, i choose to rifle hunt because i believe i can dispatch game more efficiantly and more humanely. For you guys who shoot huge bucks with your bows, my hats off to you. You are a better hunter than i am. I am amazed at how close you can get to these magnificent animals. I still think taking 65 yard shots with a bow is retarded. I am with Sam on that one. Cheers!
 
In Colorado. The Law reads 50 ft. I know he's in AZ, so I can't say as to that. What bothers me, is that he's taking shots at a deer from that distance, that is totally aware of his presence. I'll be the last to condemn a guy fore taking a 60 yard shot. Because, I know it can be done in certain situations and select few talented archers, as ethically as any 20 yard shot.

What I'm getting at. AZ22. I hate to say it... But, from your actions, you honestly lack the knowledge, ability and exprerience to be taking that kind of shot at an animal...

Why??? You will ask.

If you should've been shooting at a deer that far! It would've been a dead deer. I don't want to hear any excuses. Just be sure to only take shots, that you are 100% sure that you can make next time. That's the only way to archery hunt...

PS- If you want to be able to make that 60 yard shot, lethal and consistent. You're going to need to start backing up and practicing at distances further than that. And you better be able to hold 3 on a plate sized circle at any distance you practice... Plates at 60 are nothing.
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

Shooting 65 yards at a deer with a bow that knew he was there, from the road? What ethics?

Rut
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

AZhunter22's ethics. We each have our own defined ethics, whether they stem from inexperience or confidence. It's not like he was lobbing 100yd shots. I wouldn't shoot that far either. Down the road if they shoot a 60yd pin & lose an animal I would hope they limit their range.

From the road - he has a messed up ankle. What's wrong with that, as long as it was a legal distance off the road? Everyone get's their panties in a wad over road hunters. I'd much rather more people drive around, it's less that I have to compete with.

It seems a lot of guys on this site feel that their way is the only way. Just gets kind of amusing.
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

archer elk, are you saying that if you are driving along, and you accidenly see a deer bedded 200 yards from the road, and you stalk within 20 yards, and kill it, that that is illegal in AZ?


Later Yall!!!!
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RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

Nope, I am saying what I am saying, and it is an exact quote from the game warden. You can not use a vehicle to locate, or pursue game. If you are driving to a place and see a deer it is legal to shoot as long as you step over the run off on the side of the road, or if the road is adjacent to fence you must cross the fence.

If you are not doing 5 miles an hour down the road with a half drunk idiot sitting in the back of the truck holding a rifle and a bottle you probably will not be harrassed about it. The law was designed to allow the warden to be able to use his judgment as to weather or not the offender poses a risk to other hunters.

Now for those that question, do like I did and ask the warden. I posed the question because there have been times I hiked my but off, and didnt have the steam to hike anymore, not even to get to my favorite spots to sit. When that happens, I will drive around.

Again. almost everything about hunting regulations are common sense meant to preserve the forests, and protect the hunters. If you exercise common sense you are 99% of the way there
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

I totaly agree, and my post was not meant as an insult. Just trying to clear things up a bit.



Later Yall!!!!
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RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

i have a couple of questions. first, i know we all watch videos that show hunters taking game from 500+ yards with a rifle. after the kill many of us get excited and never question the fact that the shot was over 500 yards. we want to know how big the animal is etc. it seems to me a 500 yard shot would have been considered unethical and rarely taken in the past. but now with the technology we have today 500 yard shots are doable for those who practice. is it unethical to take a 500 yard shot? i think not if you have enough confidence to make the shot.

to the point. with the technology archery manufactures are have developed for today?s bows a 65 yard shot may not be a thing to wince at. although i personally wouldn't take a shot that far (lack of confidence and consistency) there may be many capable of shooting that distance. remember there are archers who are shooting equipment that can project an arrow over 330 fps. also, with 85% let off, lightweight bows, fiber optics, range finders, etc. it may not be unusual to see hunters taking longer shots that many are accustomed to.

just a thought,
nk
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

"Of my friends who bow hunt, all of them at one one time or another have lost big game due to an ill placed shot. I have been asked on several occasions to help track a wounded animal. Of them none were found. I can not say that about my rifle hunting buddies."

Not wanting to start anything, I know archery hunting is a huge challenge. I believe that if you hunt long enough, (especially with archery) you will lose an animal. It really depends on how long your buddies have been shooting, and how many deer they've lost. If they've been hunting 10 years, and lost 5 deer, well then I think the problem is the hunter is unethical, not the sport.

"I believe the window for error in bow hunting is much larger than in rifle hunting. Therefore an archer must be able to make better decisions on shot placement than a rifle hunter."

Very true, but if your buddies were so sure about their shots, how come they've all lost animals? Again Just my .02

Michael~All Gods creatures welcome... right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

Nk brings up something I enjoy playing around with. Math problems! If an arrow leaves your bow at 330 fps how long does it take to get to your target?

Let's say that for the first 30 yards it averages 300 fps (I don't know this to be true, but it makes the math easier!). 30 yards is 90 feet so it takes 90/300 = 0.3 seconds to travel 30 yards.

Now I am sure that the arrow will slow down noticably in the next 30 yards, but lets say the arrow still manages to average 270 fps for that 30 yards. 90/270 = 0.33 seconds

Now, for a 60 yard shot we have a total of 0.66 seconds for the deer to "jump the string", take a step, etc. Especially if the deer is already alerted to your presence, that is a relatively long time for him to react. 2/3 of a second doesn't seem like very long, but even a deer walking at 1 mph will travel 1 foot in that time. Anyone feel comfortable hitting a deer 1 foot from where they aim? That same move by the deer would be down to less than 6 inches for a 30 yard shot.

Just something else to think about.



txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

Hey Justin, et al:

Road hunting is illegal in Arizona. Period. The question becomes 'how is road hunting defined'. Take a look below...

Here is the rule (cut directly out of the AZ G&F regulations):

Take/Hunt From A Vehicle
(A.R.S. 17-301 B, R12-4-319) Pages 49 and 63
No person may take wildlife from a motor vehicle (including
watercraft and aircraft), except as permitted by Commission
Order and under the provisions of the Challenged Hunter
Access Mobility Permit Commission Rule (R12-4-217). ?Take,?
as defined by law, includes pursuing, shooting, hunting and
killing wildlife. You are subject to law enforcement action if all of the following conditions are present: you drive (or ride) in or on a motor vehicle or aircraft in an area where you can
reasonably expect to see wildlife; you have the means of taking
wildlife readily available; and the motor vehicle or aircraft is
being operated in a manner consistent with hunting activity
(e.g. slower or faster than normal for conditions, in a random
manner, in pursuit of wildlife, to harass, chase or head off
moving wildlife, driving off-road/trail, etc.) You do not have to
shoot from the vehicle to be in violation of statute or rule.

As Archerelk mentioned earlier, they are pretty loose with the law. This is likely because it would be very hard to prove the above conditions in court, as well as the fact that the majority of hunters keep their gun handy when driving to/from their hunting spot.

S.

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RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

The one thing that will get you definetely in trouble especially when hunting with rifle is if you have ammo chambered in the vehicle. Not too sure how they would enforce it with archery hunters unless you are using some sort of whisker biscuit/overdraw setup where you can have the arrow "chambered" so to speak.
 
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soooooooo, according to the law, it is illegal to drive during hunting season. whenever i go hunting i always drive slow, i always look for game, and i always intend to attempt to kill one if i see it. I guess theyll have to throw me in jail.



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LAST EDITED ON Jan-15-04 AT 07:34PM (MST)[p]Ya that kinda sux, but it's only in AZ. I say make road hunting legal so more people stay on the road. More land for me! I have no problem with road hunters. I don't respect them, but I still don't have a prob w/ them. They obey the law (not in AZ) and don't kill very many deer. So whatever turns your crank I guess.

Michael~All Gods creatures welcome... right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

Guys.... I just saw a deer last week in NM that ws shot at 110yds. Center punched perfectly. Couldnt have hit him better from 5 steps.

The fellow had 5 pins... 20, 40, 60, 80, and 100. Held his 100 yard pin at the top of his back. Smoked him.

Forget about the 65yd shot and talk about this one.
 
RE: Why don't you ethics preachers....

it happens..................................even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

JB
 
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-20-04 AT 00:57AM (MST)[p]I dunno about some of you guys, you're usually real good about this stuff. Maybe the senses must be getting a little dulled in the offseason, cause this sure sounds like a tall one to me (deer hunting in January? roadhunting? 65 yard shots?)....maybe someone's stirrin the pot up to raise some hairs? Just a theory........

OOPS.........OR MAYBE NOT, SEE POST BELOW..........
 
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OK, I got a little more unignorant....checked something out. Arizona DOES allow their archers to hunt until January 31st, suprised the heck outta me! All I knew before that was some of the rifle seasons finished on 12/31.

So, if nothing else, once again, a post has learned some of us something, no matter how we feel about the rest of the contents.

Cass....I gotta agree, that WAS pretty funny, least for the thicked skinned ones here.....
 

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