Guide Needed for Late season San Juan

cantkillathing

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I have a friend that Drew the Late season Elk hunt for the San Juan, we will call him (Trent), (Trent) is looking for a guide to help him on the late season. The problem is that (trent) has never shot anything, he can't shoot straight, but he figures if he can get a guide to get him really close to an elk then he should do fine.
 
I am still available for the late season hunt. I outfit in the San Juan unit and am still open for big game hunts. Feel free to contact me to discuss this.

Lloyd Nielson
Sunrise Outfitting, Inc.
435-678-2838
 
Hopefully one of the Blacks will chime in, I have heard good things about them from a good friend, and seen there pics and videos of some real studs.
:( Somebody didn't like bouncing betty :(
 
Tony and Llyod,
I doubt if any of the blacks will chime in on this one, Travis said there is a guy named TRENT Holiday that did draw a late season SJ elk tag and he lives in blanding and works with cantkillathing. Makes you wonder why he even posted this message. However, if Trent wants his hunt of a lifetime filmed he should contact BTO, I've seen some of there hunting footage it would make for a great video journal.
 
If you need a guide to help you hunt elk on the San Juan unit you are a moron.
 
Yes, I do work with Trent, I posted this as a Joke to make fun of Trent and how he sucks at shooting, Some people just don't have any humor. Some people need to lighten up and laugh a little. Atleast Trent thought it was funny, I am sure he will get even with me soon.
 
THIS IS TO LlOYD. DO NOT CALL Lloyd Nielson. I have a friend who drew a muzzle tag last year. Lloyd was his guide. My friend Kevin, told Lloyd he did'nt want to kill anything the first 3 days unless it was a 370-380 class bull or larger. He had family coming and wanted to see what they could fined the first couple days. The FIRST evening hunt a bull was coming down the ridge towars them. Lloyd said it was a big bull. He thought it would be around 380. Kevin again said he DID'NT want to shoot anything that was not a 370 bull or better the first 3 days. Lloyd told Kevin it was a 380 bull and he should shoot it. Kevin said it sure looks narrow. After telling Kevin again, it is a monster bull. Kevin shot it. His DREAM GUIDED HUNT was over in one day. The bull did have long main beams 56 inches. However, It was narrow and short tines everywhere. Gross score 335. I score it myself. Lloyd kept Kevins hard earned money. Anyone who does'nt know the difference between a 380 bull and 335 bull, and talks a client into shooting his elk on the first day, should not be guiding. Lloyd, you should make things right with Kevin. You gave him very poor advise. He is a good hunter, but did'nt know how to score Elk very well. That is why he hired you. I was helping a friend on another unit at the time. I would not have replied to this post if you had tried to make things right with him last year. And then tried to get more business on this post. I can not just stand by and not reply. I hope this does'nt happen to someone else. Dream hunts are hard to come by. No one is perfect, his hunt is gone. Please try to be fair, call him and try to make thing right. Thanks, Greg
 
wow 335 and 380 are two different bulls shouldn't even call himself a guide.
 
100, glad you had the heart to post your mess. May have saved someone a bad experence. That may have been the only mistake the guy ever made in his life but not making it right should cost him dearly. (and appears to a second mistake)
 
Greg - what's up with this? I never dreamed you'd resort to bashing someone on the internet. I also had several questions for utah400elk, I'm glad to see that was deleted.
 
I am not sure why my post was pulled. i have been out of town. The hunt was in 2001. I can get pictures of the bear but it is mounted now. What questions do you have Lyle? I am just rying to help out a person who asked a question. i am not a guide/outfitter and I stand to gain/loose nothing. Sorry if I upset anybody. I would never use the guy.
 
The funny thing about this utah400 is that lloyd has not guided for bear nor ran a bear with his dogs for atleast the last 12 years.. So your story is kinda fishy to me..

Trent Holliday
 
I think it is time for me to weigh in on this. I asked Utah400Elk to PM me with some answers to questions I had. I would like to thank him for replying to me. The reason that his post was deleted was because I shared with the founder that I did not believe he could be talking about me. When he said several years, I needed the definition of several defined because I have not run a bear with dogs for nearly a decade. So if this happened in 2001, it could not possibly have been me. I also asked him who the guides were that were there. The two outfitters that he mentioned are people that I have NEVER helped on a bear hunt. So I think this is just a case of mistaken identity, and I would like to clear it up.

Huntin100's response is correct. We glassed a bull from a long ways away. I called it a big bull, probably 380+. We dropped down in a canyon and headed up and across, leaving a spotter up on the ridge. As we were coming out to where we could see the bull, I radioed back to the spotter to see if he could tell what the bull was. His response was that the sun was in a bad spot and he could not see. We came out in the open where we could see the bull and the bull started to move back into the timber. The best way to describe it is that I got tunnel vision and did not take time to rejudge the bull when we got close. Moving the hunter down into position where I felt that he could get a shot, we ranged where we thought the bull would come out while waiting for him. I don't remember the distance, but when the bull stepped out, the hunter made a great shot and it ended a great hunt. I take full responsibility for the hunt. I have called the hunter like Greg asked me to, and he says, yes, he was disappointed with the bull (so was I), but if I would like, I could use him as a reference.

Lloyd Nielson
Sunrise Outfitting
www.sunriseoutfitting.com
 
as far as i know it is. I have never heard otherwise.. Is it not in Cali. If so what is there reasoning..
 
Lyle and Lloyd, You can read my post again. I did not say anything that was not true. Fair is fair. Lloyd has not been fair to a friend. Then he tried to get more business from this post.

Kevin was very disappointed in the hunt. His dream hunt was not even a good hunt in his eyes. He did'nt get to share any of the experience with his family. He was paying for advise on judging trophy bulls. He made it very clear, that he did'nt want to shoot anything the first 3 days of the hunt, unless it was a 370-380 class bull or bigger. He wanted to have his boy with him for acouple days if possible. His boy could'nt make it for the first day, but was on his way. The FIRST night of a 10 day hunt, he was talked into shooting this bull that was suppose to be a monster. 380 class bull. He shot it at 150 yards with a muzzle loader. There is only about 8 tags for the whole very large unit. Not much pressure. If there was questions about the bull. The guide should have told him lets get a better look. If the sun was in the spotters eyes, and the guide said he had tunnel vision, The guide should not have talked him in to shooting. If I was the guide and missed judged a bull by 45 inches on the first day of the hunt. I would have appologizied and given him his money back. None of this happened. He was told . Thats how hunting goes sometimes. My reply is about being fair. I have missed judged animals before. Mistakes can happen. I'm not a paid guide. No one is perfect. When we make mistakes (which we all do) try to be fair and make things right. Lyle, I asked Llyod to PM me. I did'nt want to bash on the internet. I also feel like I have the resposibility to tell the truth. The way things are. The TRUTH.

Lloyd, Kevin said that you called. Thanks.
My question is. I will be blunt. Is it fair to charge some one $2,000 dollars for a hunt. Miss judge a bull by at least 45 inches, the FIRST day of the hunt. Talk the hunter into shooting the elk, AFTER HE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, NO SHOOTING THE FIRST 3 DAYS,UNLESS IT IS A MONSTER 380 CLASS OR BIGGER. Paid him, $2,000 dollars for one days work. Very poor advise. I believe in a honest days work for an honest days pay. I'm not saying your dishonest. We all make mistakes again.

Be fair. Give him at least 50% of his money back. And learn from your mistakes. Don't advertize for more business, until you make things right on past business. Thanks, Greg
 
Guide or not the SHOOTER has final say and is the one that has to pull the trigger.. So in my oppinion the hunter was just as responsible as the guide..
 
Man, Sorry Loyd, I didn't expect any of this to happen, this post was to make fun of Mort, Never intended any of this.

I wouldn't judge an outfitter upon one unhappy client, all outfitters usually have one upset client.

I also agree with mort, hunter pulled the trigger not Loyd.
 
Mort, You must be a friend of Llyods. I'm not trying to say anything that is not true. I'm sure Lloyd is a good guy. Even good guys make mistakes. Lets just be fair. This was the first branch antler bull Kevin has shot. He has taken quite a few nice muleys and antelope. He was'nt a good judge of trophy caliber elk. That is why he hired a guide. When the bull came down the ridge, he did'nt think it was a big bull. He thought it was narrow. He paid for advise on this hunt that took him 12 years to draw. His best chance to kill a 360 plus bull. And possibly 380 plus if he was lucky. His hunt was over in one day. The guide did'nt listen to his clients goals. (see above post). The queston is did he get a fair deal?
1. A one day hunt. For $2,000 dollars
2. Kevin did not want to shoot the first 3 days, unless it was a bull of a lifetime. 370-380 plus. Kevin, told his guide the bull he was going to shoot, did'nt look that big. It was narrow. The guide again told him it was a monster 380 bull.
3. He shot the bull. It was 45 inches smaller than his paid guide said it was. A 335 bull. VERY COMMON for the unit.
4. No appology from the guide, until last week on the phone.(THANKS). No refunded money for his guides mistakes.
Please PM responses if wanted. I'm not trying to stir things up. Just want things to be as fair and right as they can be. Thanks, Greg
 
I'm starting to get the impression Kevin didn't want to shoot anything on the first 3 days unless it was a 370-380 bull....

The horse is dead--quit beating it! This guy has acknoledged the fact that he made a mistake and has publicly apologized for it.

Did your buddy ever ask for a refund?
 
Thanks, Lloyd for calling Kevin and resolving the matter. Good luck this fall. Greg
 
We don't know what Lloyed did to resolve this issue with his past hunter, but for all the crap you just dished out on him, that's a pretty soft thanks.

I don't know Lloyed, but I suggest good luck to your guide service!!!

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Thanks, Lloyd for calling Kevin and resolving the matter. Good luck this fall. Greg
 
I hope people will take this post for what it was - two people, with nothing better to do then whine. Neither were Lloyd's clients. I've hunted with Lloyd and been guided by Lloyd for years. At the ended of the day, no one is going to work harder for you. I was the last person Lloyd guided on a bear hunt - that was 1999. $2000 for a 330+ is still a smoking deal especially when you consider the conditions on the San Juan last year. Take a look at the bulls BTO pulled off the mountain - several 330 or smaller.

Travis, next time you post something you should specify "no whining, b*tching, or moaning".

Greg and John/Eric (whoever you are) you can't throw dirt without getting some on you.
 
Someone should delete this post all together!! I think the poor outfitter has taken quite a beating!! Hes admited to his mistake and hopefuly learned from it! A post like this could seriously affect his buisness. I know from reading it I would never book a once in a lifetime hunt with him!! Heck 335 and 380 there so close anyways.
 

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