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Anyone ever hunt these, north shore areas off Fort Peck / CMR? Considering late archery (october 2-14th) hunt from the boat. I understand that this area can hold some potential big bulls if you're willing to put miles on the boots and find 'em. Also, since I've got the deer tag I might stumble on one worth arrowing.... but elk primarily.
Thanks for any info,
Ed
 
>Anyone ever hunt these, north shore
>areas off Fort Peck /
>CMR? Considering late archery
>(october 2-14th) hunt from the
>boat. I understand that
>this area can hold some
>potential big bulls if you're
>willing to put miles on
>the boots and find 'em.
> Also, since I've got
>the deer tag I might
>stumble on one worth arrowing....
>but elk primarily.
>Thanks for any info,
>Ed


Ed,
I would give it a try. I saw one camp doing just that so their must be more. The only problem I saw was fighting throught the brush, swamp, mud, etc. to get to shore. I would suggest you bring some 2X12's and scrap 3'X3' or 4'X2' sheets of scrap plywood so that you could reach 20 or so feet from the water to shore. If you put them is specific areas on the river bank so that you can just motor up with the boat tie off or pull the boat and cover it with something to hide it a little and hunt. When you leave you just pull the boards and go...

I did not get drawn this year otherwise I would be doing exactly what you are doing. Send me a note how it went.
 
Lots of hunters. Lots of them. Lots doing exactly what you are proposing. Lots of them. Many bulls are in the willows along the river and it is a jungle. But lots of people hunting from treestands. Lots of them. The bulls can be huge though. MAYBE later in the season you'd have less pressure but I doubt it. I've hunted there a few times and got so frustrated with all the people I bailed and hunted antelope. But there are some big bulls way out in speedgoat country too in those districts, but they can be tough to find. Lots less people out there, I suppose they think you need trees to have elk.
 
What do you mean by lots of hunters? A few hunters or do you mean that when a bull bugles you have 5 other guys that hear it and go after it too. I hunted 622 with a cow rifle tag last year and am thinking of doing the archery thing this year. Also how many lifetimes does it take to draw an either sex rifle tag in say 622. Do they use pref points and how many to draw. thanks
 
I only saw one group of hunters. I came only started hiking out after it was dark. I saw some lights. But within 11 days of hunting I only saw 3 different boats. I would give it a try... You have nothing to loose. Worst case you boat up or down river get on shore and hike to up the hills and hunt into the land from there.

I would try it... Heck if you don't I will next year.
 
I'm definitely going to give it a try. I suspect it'll be alot like most every other public land that I've hunted- lots of people 1/2 mile from their vehicles (boats included), a few more up to the 1 mile point and then maybe only the lone knucklehead willing to put 3-6 miles on his boots a day anywhere after that. I got the maps and with the current road closures it seems to me that there's some difficult to access spots off that lake. Plus, late season may reduce the crowd. If the crowd's in the willows - let 'em bump a 360+ out to me- I'll be waiting.
As far as "crowded" goes, that's a relative thing. 3 other groups in there the same time as me would mean that I'd bump into them about every 40 square miles. 6 groups- about every 20. Now, if there were 60 other groups, all hunting from the shore, by boat between the 2nd and 14th, then, yes, that'd be crowded. I just can't believe I'd run into that.

Any other info?????
 
Not to rain on your parade but expect lots of hunters everywhere. It might look like vast country on a map but feels very small when you are there. There are people hunting as far from roads a you can get and camps in every possible place. There are also lots of roads for easy access. Later in the season is probably better though. Like I said, I'd look north of the CMR in speedgoat country or the really rough and rugged sections on the western boundary of the district. This is a world-class elk herd and is a relatively easy elk hunt physically so to expect low numbers isn't realistic but it is really neat country and the bulls are huge and educated. Be careful if it rains, the roads become impassable if it even looks like rain.
 
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If it is just you, camera man and buddy. I would drop the fishing buddy off on shore. Have him get up on the hills glassing the willows etc and move up or down the river. For the first couple of days you go a mile or so from the river and hunt.

Look at the maps to see the no drive roads and hunt the no drive areas but access it from the river side.

I never saw a single hunter past 3 miles off a road. I hunted from Sept 23 through Oct 3rd.

As for the rain... If your in a boat your worst worry is the mud on your boots. You will not be driving on any roads... Your in a boat...

Do it...
 
SalVelinus has some good points, and TheHunt is making it sound too easy. I personally know many people that archery hunt 621 and 622, and had a 622 rifle permit in 2004. Some of the country is easy, and some is extremely brutal. There are others here at MM that know far more than I do. Maybe they will talk, maybe they won't. If it were me, I'd ditch the boat idea. Maybe it has changed, but beaching one was a REAL pain in past drought years. I won't talk of the mud. Until you are in it for yourself, it defies description. Prepare for extreme weather swings. Don't expect to be as alone as you think. The Breaks are experiencing higher hunting pressure every year. But prepare to be very alone. You can be a long way from anywhere with an emergency. I spent Thanksgiving week out there alone, and didn't see another human. Set your priorities. Yes, big bulls are there, but there is not a 360 plus hiding behind every sagebrush. I know. I was after B&C or better, and let bulls walk away many would give their left one for. It is awesome country. I am going back first chance. It will be a hunt you will never forget, successful or not. Shoot me a pm if I can be of further help. Good luck, mtmuley
 
Well, it's carved in stone now, unless I draw sheep or goat. Put in for the 620-21 tag (unlim) and the antelope 900 tag (also unlim) so, it'll be my "Montana Archery Superfest". Now just have to buy a bow and learn to shoot.... Any tips?

Serious note, any additional help would be great, this is an super site with alot of good people.

Thanks,
Ed
 
I am not trying to make it sound easy. But you have two choices hike into the wilderness area where roads are closed to all motor vehicles or do the boat. The mud is horrable... But if you bring the 2X12's and make a path from the river to the shore it might take you a few hours but once it is done your good to go. If you study the map of the road closure areas those are the locations to make a path from the river through the willows to shore. I saw only one camp and another boat doing this within about 10 miles of hunting. I think you would have the advantage over walk in hunters.
 
I've done enough hunting to know that it won't be easy. I plan on bringing the planks, that's a good idea. I've got the topos and been studying them and arials. Have a few potential starting points noted. I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one out there, but I'm also pretty sure that I can hump it past most others. I look at it this way - there's not a 360+ bull in every coulee and there's not a hunter in every coulee either. I just have to find the spot where one is and one isn't. And, I'm not holding out either, any elk over 385".....360"....320"......wait....265" is DOWN!

Thanks for the info.
Ed
 
Ed-

I can share some related experience with you as I archery hunted unit 410 (2002-2005), before moving on to better places. As you know, there are some big bulls in 410, 620 ish units along the river for sure. There are tons of people, especially in the earlier part of the season. I used to meet many people camping on the South side who were going across the river in their boat to hunt the 620 unit(s), so the apparent lack of campers on the North side is misleading as many camp in 410/700 and go across to hunt. From what I have been told and seen glassin across, many of the elk, just like 410 are down by the river in the willows, so going in deep from the river could be a flawed strategy as you may walk past most of the herd, however this varies depending on the weather. In 02', 03' many of the elk on both sides were in the willows along the river, in 04' the elk were more spread out in the coulees and 05' the elk were more spread out again, but I saw alot less elk in 05' in general and only a few bulls. However, in 05' I hunted late, the first week in October and I got killed by the weather. It rained and snowed for three days and I got stuck Monday-Thursday, 7 miles from camp and slept in my vehicle with only water and jerky. The risk on the later part of the season is the mud and in less you have experienced this mud, words can do it no justice. Also, the elk by October will be unbelievably spooky, vey spooky, must more noticable than my previous 3 years when I was there in mid-September fightin the heat and hunting with a bunch of other folks. But. going in October, there will be alot less people than early in the season for sure, but the elk will have been dogged big time by October.

I know this is not what you want to hear, but thought I would share my experience in the area and from other hunters hunting 620 unit(s). Also, no one mentioned it, but there were some big outfitter camps in 620/621 area, but I can not guess to how many people are in these camps or if they are even still setting up there???

Recommend you talk with the biologist if you have not already. Also, if you get good, cool, dry weather in October, I believe you could get on a good bull or two. If it rains, you will have the worst hunt of your life, because boat or no boat, you can not keep the gumbo mud off your boats and trying to work the coulees with 10 pounds of gumbo mud on each boat will test your resolve like no hunt before. Guess like most hunts anywhere, weather is always key and I think I hit a year in 05' where all the rain at one time was very rare for this part of Montana. Just bad timing, it happens to us all sooner or later.

Best of luck to you. With a little luck from the weather, you may find a nice bull or two. I have since switched to wilderness elk hunting and these units are the furtherest away from a wilderness type elk hunt out there. Again, best of luck.

Regards,

JL
 
Well, one thing I am convinced of is "gumbo mud" sucks! Thanks for the info, it's extremely helpful. I've done the wilderness hunts for about 8 years now, and looking forward to a change of pace. Since I'll have about 10 - 12 full hunt days there, I'll have a chance to work some different strategies. I have talked with a few differnt BLM, CMR & FWP persons and have gotten some other great info. If it's dry weather I'll probably start out focused on the mid-range from the lake willows working out, reaching high ground and glassing. If I can't locate 'em moving and glassing, then I'll work out farther.
One thing I wasn't sure of was once you're out past the 2-3 mile mark from the north shore, are there any well watering holes? When I hunted south of the lake about 6 years ago for muleys we occassionally walked upon cattle water troughs on BLM land (or extremely close to it). I guess these are for the grazing leases. Are there any on the north side? If it turns out to be an exceptionally dry year patience and a blind at one of these may be a good strategy as well.
Thanks again for the help. Really appreciate it.

Ed
 

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